Umpire botches an easy call, a breakdown
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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Honestly a reasonable call from the umps “oops we messed up but here’s what the bases would have looked like if we made the right call”
I don't think it's fair to assume the runner would have gone back to the base if he had known. I don't think you should assume someone is going to make the smart decision. Yeah, the runner almost certainly goes back to first, but there are pro baseball players that have been caught out in these situations before and he's just a kid deep into extras. If there was ever a time someone would make a mental mistake it's right now. The only players who actually did the correct thing based on what happened are the defenders and they got screwed.
@@andrewb37899% of the time the runner will get back just because there’s a little chance doesn’t mean they should make the runner out. and they made a decision based on what most likely would’ve happen
@@joshhoops6057 I agree that 99% of the time the runner gets back but I don't think we should assume that just because the runner usually gets back they would get back by default. Like I said, it's a mistake that does happen, even at the professional level. These kids are not pros and it's the end of a long game late at night. I can almost guarantee the ump got it wrong for this exact reason. He's just tired. Why would we assume the kid would get it right?
most of the time i would have assumed that they would have got the runner anyway but in this case the runner was the only other player in the stadium that the umpire called it safe, so he was definitely keeping an eye out for the call. you can't fault him
Inconsequential play why are there so many words down here. And obviously he would have gotten back to the bag in time
"Who's running this fucking ballpark", makes sense the most 😂
To me it looks like "he's ruining the f'ing ballgame" which makes sense with the follow up "you tell him that"
@@nsimpsHow did you get the word “game” as in “ballgame?” The coach’s mouth is clearly making a “buh” or “puh” sound at that point.
@@johnnydropkicksyeah it’s not game unless he says it super funky
Makes the most sense, not makes sense the most. That comment didn’t make sense
@@jomboy_ I moonlight as an amateur lip-reader.
Insane to miss the catch, but they redeemed themselves with the replay decision. That runner obviously isn't standing on second base unless the ump makes the wrong call. I love it when they get things right and swallow their pride.
Was gonna say the same thing. They made it right in the end.
@@whitesoxchat They absolutely did not get it right what are you two talking about and how are there others agreeing with you? Both guys are out that's the rule. There's no rule in baseball that allows a runner that didn't tag to go back to first on a caught fly ball.
@@eddya.3776 If the umpire had made the right call in the first place, the runner returns to 1st base anyway.
Yeah shout-out to the head ump who has to take all of the heat for the decision, even though it wasn't his fault at all lol
@@eddya.3776 Are you sure that there's no rule for that when an ump makes the wrong call? No offense but I'll trust this head ump who claims that over some random guy on the internet.
Plus you can't tell me that the ultimate ruling wasn't "fair" -- the runner clearly would've made it back to first if the ump made the right call in the first place.
The ability to admit you made a mistake should be rewarded, not scolded over.
Indeed. Everyone makes mistakes. It's the ones that pretend they didn't do it, are the ones that need to lose their positions as ref's. I think ref's should be able to be voted out
AYYYYYY... This is American sports. It's the most fucking important thing in the world. You fuck it up you're outta here.
@@VioletDeliriums College ball is supposed to be played by amateurs. So get over it.
@@VioletDeliriums can't take accountability for mistakes*** you're outta here
Yup, well said bud. Did a little auto correct for ya tho
@VioletDeliriums um yeah, no. If the NFL refs could learn to admit mistakes, it would go a long way to dispelling the idea it is fixed.
Still can't unsee "batters can't celebrate but pitchers can act like Hulk Hogan after a strikeout"
that was an intense pop off lol
Hitters go insane on a walkoff hit. What are you talking about?
@@cwolf208Sorry, to clarify, a lot of "old school, unwritten rules" types are still out there holding this opinion but they seem to be losing numbers as the years go on. I'm all for people celebrating but in the past few decades there's been a lot of hypocrisy on who can celebrate and who can get mad at the other celebrating.
Dude reacted like he just got the final out of the CWS instead of an early season game against a non-conference opponent.
It wasn't just a strikeout though. But go off.
I actually thought he fielded it off the wall the first time I saw it. Granted I was half watching my phone while cooking dinner, not in the ball park umpiring the game.
that's what I saw, that's what a lot of other commenters saw, and that's what U1 saw
While I don't wanna say that's what I saw, I will say that it crossed my mind immediately. Tells me ump got tricked. Ultimately they straightened things out
I saw same thing! (Thought I was crazy).
When I went back to watch again, I think his white wristband makes it look like the ball, especially when he makes that downward stabbing motion to catch it.
Weird.
Thats what I saw too but idk if you'd see that from the lower angle the ump would be at.
To be fair, there is a white ad behind the play and the fielder moves in a way that looks like he dropped it and got the first hop to me. It's a reasonable mistake to make.
Ok, I see why the umps called it this way. The runner didn't have an angle on the catch, and the body motion looks like the outfielder missed the ball, then fielded it off the wall, even though that's not what happened. So the runner looks to the ump, who signals him safe at 2nd, confirming the wrong notion that the outfielder didn't catch.
Had the first ump not screwed up, the runner would've been back at first, as he was paused between first and second, waiting for the umps call.
So, wrong call by the first ump, but overall the final call did put the game back to what it would've been, had the right call been made. Really interesting one.
I saw the same, I was sure it was no-catch when I saw the initial video
I also didn't realize he caught it when I initially watched this video. Technically U1 was signaling "no catch" and not "safe at 2nd" but they use the same mechanics so it's easy to confuse them. I agree had "catch" been called initially the runner would of stayed at first so returning him was the correct call in the end.
It’s understandably hard to lip read two of the most distinct dialects in the United States. Great job Jomboy!
Lip reading is magic to me. The "bad lipreading" site in YT is hilarious.
I like when you wrap up the game like this.
FWIW:
2:10 "I dont make the call"
2:20 hey, don't take that shit out on me"
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Plot twist :The ump was actually just hitting the T pose
He’s was practicing what he was going to say in his mind and let it slip
devs plz fix
Ump was glitching 🤣
They made a mistake, and they corrected it according to the rules. The runner would have had enough time to run back to first, yet, thinking he was safe, he stayed on 2nd. Whats not to get? No biggie here...
It’s upsetting on both sides. Obviously, defense wants a double play, but offense wants a free RISP. The ump blew it, replay proves it, so the only compromise is to say that the runner wouldn’t have gone to second without touching first again if the ump didn’t massively screw up. So we have to keep the runner at first due to it being the most logical outcome if it was called correctly. The offense benefits more, but it’s the right decision.
Really, no one benefited. The baserunner was correctly following the umpire's call, and there's almost no way he wouldn't have made it back to first if the correct call was made. I guess he gets the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't have made a massive blunder, but that's it.
It’s crazy but my first reaction of the first camera angle it looked like it bounced.. but then again I’m not standing 100 ft from the play
Same
You're also not running full speed and looking at the umpire make the safe call. So, the umpire made a terrible call and the runner got initially screwed by it.
@@seantimmons5900 hes talking about the umpire, and there's a white ad behind the player with a white glove, its pretty reasonable to make the mistake here
Best part is that in the end it doesn't matter
Yeah as a coach that's the point you don't argue, you say "thanks for making the right call" and
I just hope everyone had fun.
Idk why this coach gets so mad. its pretty obvious the runner only advanced to second because of the umpires call. If the umpire called out, the runner had all the time in the world to get back to 1st on the catch.
Coach probably argued that the runner should also see if it's caught regardless of the umps call and act accordingly
But he was running on the pitch, so he was actually probably well past second when the ball was caught. Mississippi State could argue he never had a reasonable chance to get all the way back to first even if the ump hadn't deceived him.
But then throw in the fact the umps made such an egregious call, I can certainly see why the coach was hopping mad.
@@RonPowerat :10 you can see him standing in between 1st and 2nd waiting to see if it’s caught. He had a bad angle wether it was or not so he relied on the umpires call
@@RonPowerOl Miss, not Mississippi State.
@@RavensTheNextDynastyexactly.
I like the way the umpires handled it. The runner should not be penalized for an umpire giving him the wrong signal, especially in a situation where he was more likely than not going to make it back safely.
Yes, the call was missed, but the umps got it right in the end. The runner would've made it back to firstbase if he called out and not safe. Some could make a case that since the ball was so deep and the momentum took the fielder to the wall and away from a throwing position, the runner may have had time to tag up, and make it to second.
You cannot blame a player for correctly responding to an umpire's blown call. That's why the runner was not called out at second base.
Yep, the runner was basing his action on the umpire. If the umpire called it right, the runner would not have gotten to 2nd and would have returned to 1st base.
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Played 3rd base for the Bows in '93. Great breakdown. Nice to see UH getting some
That’s awesome, did you play in Hawaii in your high school years as well?
@@PHXNKVHXLIC No. I grew up in the PNW
I've walked through UH Manoa campus when I was on vacation and even went to a zoological seminar while I was there. Gorgeous campus in the middle of paradise. If it didn't cost so much to live there, I'd go for grad school in a heartbeat (but maybe not stick around since Hawaiians are not the biggest fans of haoles)
I think you nailed it on "who's running this fucking ball park." You can tell that's exactly what he's saying once you said it out loud.
How far are we from reporters asking in the post-game presser, "Jomboy says you said this, is that what you said?"
@@BLT1967too The dudes lip-reading skills are on another level. If he ever spontaneously lost his hearing due to an accident or something the man would be alllllllright.
"I mean, ultimately it belongs to the state sir"
@@PIGGEBANK "Would you like to lodge a complaint? I'll make sure it gets to the mayor if you would."
Watched this live and was like Jomboy gonna make a video abt this
when I first saw the video full speed, I said "yeah, he dropped it and it bounced off the wall... what, did the umpire call it a catch?". I was initially dumbfounded when Jomboy said "he clearly caught it!"
there's something weird about the way it looked and the way the outfielder moved his glove that made me immediately think he dropped it. obviously U1 thought the same thing.
Def says “Who’s running the ballpark”
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Dude have you been watching beach soccer? it’s sick and your breakdowns on it would be watch to fun!
Watch to fun lol but that sounds electric and something that I missed that I never planned on watching (but probably should’ve)
You need a life, my guy
Love the way JOMBOY gives us lip reading.
Best guess is that the umpire mistook the outfielder's white(ish) glove coming down after the catch for the ball. Not an excuse for missing it, but it's the best I can figure for how he missed that one.
In the end I think they got this right. The Hawaii player obviously knows to tag on this play, but he watched the ump who signaled safe and he acted based on that and immediately indicated so. Had the umpire called the fly ball a catch, I think it's pretty obvious the runner would have gone back. He was clearly aware of what the umpire was doing bc when he was standing on second base he signaled "he called it safe." I think in the end they got this correct
Happy to have jomboy late night breakdowns back. Ready for mlb to star
Have you ever thought about inviting the folks from "Bad lip-reading" to guest lip-read? Could be pretty funny.
I love this channel Jomboy is a master at what he does its amazing!
At 1:14 the umpire looks like a demon I see during sleep paralysis
I like the idea that Joe West is your sleep paralysis demon.
That lip reading was amazing. I would be convinced no matter what ha
Do a Travis Kelce and Andy Reid video. I wanna see what Travis said to Andy.
I agree
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He replied to a request for that on Twitter saying none of the angles they showed were good enough for him to read lips.
lmao the way jomboy kinda turns into coach at 3:28 then back to commentary
That still shot of the umpire with his arms out reminded me of those weird hanging stick things from the Blair witch Project 😂
Good video. Better reviews/synopsis than other pages who add extraneous personal thoughts and comments.
Thank God for baseball, love the jomboy lip readings
he lipreads fans in other things too
@@mbdg6810 baseball is the original, you know what I meant
Great breakdown!
I love the "Lip Reading" parts of your episodes! I hope you come out with a "Best of Lip Reading!" You would sure give that other channel, "Bad Lip Reading" a run for their money!
Great job by the umps in rectifying the situation! They admit their mistake and place the runner back on first, which is the most reasonable outcome. The runner clearly was watching the umpire and would have retreated to first base had the call been out. No reasonable person would advocate for the runner also being out (plus, that's the rule, right?).
Gotta be "Who's running the ballpark"
We are like 2 weeks into the season we can't be blowing calls already 😂
I’m confused on why anyone is upset about it. It ended up exactly how it would have if he made the right call. The runner stopped part way after he saw it was popped up. He wasn’t stealing with his head down.
I think the umpires did the best they could after the bad call. You can see on video that the runner was running on the pitch, but had stopped between the bases, and only proceeded after the umpire had signaled safe (no catch). The runner played the ball correctly, and was on the wrong base because of the umpire's bad call. When the umpire signaled the ball hit the ground, the runner couldn't return to first since that would have been an occupied base.
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Watch at the 10 second mark. The runner has completely stopped running, and is tracking the ball. He's not even halfway to second base. There is no way he doesn't easily make it back to first, and not get double off, if this is called correctly initially. The proper call was ultimately made in sending him back to first.
the runner for Hawaii is in college? mans looks like he has a mortgage and 3 kids. that's a strong mustache.
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I agree with the 'ball park' read.
Big West, baby. You should check out the basketball games.
Nice work, bro. You're the pioneer of a new sports media.
The zoom in to see the arms spread out is what did it for me
Get that ump some binocs, he clearly needs them to see a simple catch.
My guess is that the umpire thought it was caught off the wall.
The fact that that outfielder is using a white glove to catch a white ball (which is illegal in MLB but not college) definitely doesn't help
@@Extem1 and the white ad on the outfield wall. that's really what needs to be illegal, the gloves arent that bad on non-pitchers
Bottom line: if the umpire's (incorrect) call (in this case, a "catch") places a runner(s) in jeopardy, then if the rules allow a replay or a consult, then the runner(s) need to be placed at the base(s) that they would have MOST LIKELY been if the (incorrect) call had not been made in the first place. If the initial call was a "catch", would R1 have tagged up? Not sure. But what is certain is that his standing on 2b is a result of U1's incorrect call of "no catch", not because he failed to tag up properly. U1's call placed R1 in jeopardy. Ole Miss is a good team, came back to win it in extras. If they lost, they can blame the ump, but why bother, just play the game.
'My bet is ssaaaaafffeee!' - Umpire
Jimmy you *gotta* shout out who came up with "who's running this fucking ball park?" first because I think they're spot on
I’m not trying to steal your job. But. “He’s ruining this effing ball game. “
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A play like this happen to me on a diving play in college. The runners not knowing the call advanced and we thought we turned a triple play to win the game. It was a rough day but a similar thing happened a year later in fall ball and I had a discussion with the umpire, he said it looked like I trapped the ball off a bounce. I had an A-10 outfield glove that was black with a Grey pocket. I'm convinced my glove bounced and he couldn't tell the ball from glove. Seeing the outfielder with a white glove I'm not surprised the umpire made a mistake.
“You didn’t fuck up today Mason!? You did!”
Gotta break down the soft ejection of Jordan Donahue in this game as well please
Former major league umpire Mike Fichter behind the plate.
“Who’s serving the hot dogs” 🌭 this makes more sense he was getting hangry
I get that coaches feel like they have to kick up some shit for appearances when a call isn't made correctly, but this is really a perfect example of good officiating **in response to a bad call**. Bad calls happen, but the aftermath of it was handled perfectly. If the correct call was made, the R1 would have had plenty of time to get back to B1. He just didn't go because the umpire signaled "no catch". It was the right solution to put him back on B1.
Jomboy, you know cricket - if an umpire would have made similar error he would have simply called dead ball, so that anything after the catch would not have been live. It's the eternal get out of jail card for umpires who make a mistake (which happens, they're not robots!)
I like how they fixed their mistake on this one. Ended up being a pretty fair outcome
Seems perfectly reasonable to make that decision on review. Fair play to the umps for admitting they messed up.
At first I thought it was MLB spring training. That would be wild.
I don't know the exact wording here, but I think the point he is making is "running on the play", indicating that his argument is that the guy couldn't have gotten back even if the correct umpire signal was made.
I agree that the runner should be allowed to go back to first. If the UMP didn't stop the runner with the wrong call, the runner WOULD have had a chance to run back to first. Reversing the call to have batter out/runner returns was correct.
Your lip reading abilities are awesome.
Finally some new baseball
2 innings before this the home plate ump threw out a Hawaii batter for pimping a walk 😂
Coach is definitely wrong but I understand being upset in the moment
If ump calls it right... runner on first. But ump screws up, fixes it... runner on first. Same result so why is Ole Miss upset? If anything, the runner should be pissed as he could've tagged up and then maybe ran to 2nd.?.
Runner took off on the pitch. He was hanging out between 1st and 2nd watching the play. If he sees that it's caught he can get back to first, but there's no way he gets back to first in time to tag up and get to second.
Umps admitting their mistake? Angel Hernandez should take notes
Watching it on the live TV angle, it really looked like the fielder dropped the ball and picked it right back up.
Obviously a bad call by the ump that was properly corrected. Umpire error can't put a runner in jeopardy. What would have happened if the right called was made? Place the runner(s) based on that.
I can see how the umpire might have been fooled with the RF's movement and the wrong angle. Even if you don't see the catch, you've got to see the ball hit the ground with replay available. Mistakes happen.
Those Ole Miss players got a free trip to Hawaii
Classic example of the umps just wanting to go home
the reason the umpire would have missed this is because the fielders glove is actually white, in MLB no player can use a white glove but here that only applies to the pitcher, its harder to track a ball being caught when both the ball and glove are white
I agree with the ruling after the fact. You can't blame the runner for the ump making the wrong signal. I get that the manager is just arguing for his team and that's how baseball is but that was a completely reasonable ruling.
Vaguely recall some rule about umpires cannot put a runner in jeopardy with any call. For example, pickoff attempt where ump calls runner out, runner steps off, ump realizes player dropped the ball and changes call to safe. Again, vague memory, and might be completely wrong. In any event, brutally bad and lazy call by that umpire.
This legit happened to me when I caught a ball in left field going back kind of like that. the other ump overturned it like uh yeah he caught it, after my coach was like what the hell is going on? lol
Calls/ circumstances like that are a driving force for winning.
Pretty blind to not see a caught fly ball 😂 Cleanest running catch ever.
white ball, white glove, white sign on the fence, its pretty clear why he didn't see it caught and its pretty understandable
Umps got this one right. Watching it live the first time, I didn't think the outfielder made the catch. Understandable mistake, nicely corrected by replay. The Ole Miss manager shouldn't be upset. Maybe replay has spoiled these outfielders. In the old days he might have raised his glove for a second to show that he actually caught it on the fly.
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Sad, but it is the right call. The umpire's bad call out the runner at risk. The corrected the missed call and out the runner back to where he (probably) would have been, if the umpire hadn't put him at risk.
3:40 I'm surprised the coach didnt get ejected.
I’m genuinely curious what the ump who called safe thought happened - the ball bounced up off the ground into the fielder’s glove? He doesn’t bend down to pick it up or slow his pace at all
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some days you guys gotta just laugh and sit back. getting paid to lip read for a hour. can i have a job?
This type of situation in any league is so "F'kn frustrating"