ArcheAge - How to get patron as F2P and never lose it!

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  • @MrIggiepoo
    @MrIggiepoo  6 років тому

    Private server gives free patron btw. Google ArcheRage.

  • @MrIggiepoo
    @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому +7

    Added annotations. I recommend AFKing in game for labor regen as F2P. Running packs is still viable, mining is also increasingly viable as well. Packs are still superior though. Fishing is also decent to. Avoid worms, get some buddies and go catch smalls.
    While APEX prices are high, it's still easy to get patron if you keep saving up. Not as easy as before, but still not that hard. Keep in mind APEX is currently very inflated at the moment due to exploits.
    I'll likely remake this for the current economy, since most are unable/unwilling to read annotations :)

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому +3

      As of March 2015, apex is now 240-280 on Ollo's cluster. Assuming you go mining on EU/NA (whichever you don't main on) and get 5 loyalty per day, patron should be easy. 2g per loyalty @ 5 per day is over one apex there alone. When you add in EU labor usage, especially after they add the 10/10 patron regen keeping your patron will be easier than ever.
      I personally use beehives for my EU labor. Sure it isn't very profitable, but it's an instant 600 labor per hive. Makes running more than one account much easier.

    • @JonesCrimson
      @JonesCrimson 9 років тому +3

      Igniter Poo Still thinking about redoing this video? I will subscribe. I know its not much, I would be 0.000543% of your subscribers (practically nothing.)
      I would even settle for just a typed guide, seeing and hearing the video is a huge distraction and kind of a waste of time.

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  8 років тому

      I did remake it XD
      The long story short now'a days is to save loyalty on the region you don't main and sell the 8% crit dmg gems for 700-1k per. Use that to secret farm aspens and do beehives. Ez.

    • @eliawillis52
      @eliawillis52 8 років тому

      All right, thanks man. :)

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  8 років тому

      You can find my EU honey operation in Heedmar Dahuta EU.

  • @AllyTheAwesome100
    @AllyTheAwesome100 7 років тому +1

    Damn dude, as helpful as this is, it's real difficult to do since apexes are like 1000g + on eu, it's mad

  • @Argethlam33
    @Argethlam33 9 років тому

    Great video. It has helped with some doubts I had, ty for making it.

  • @krazypunk1018
    @krazypunk1018 10 років тому +4

    Problem is can't sell anything in the first place without an AH license or Patron =/

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      Sell in /faction or /yell. If you undercut the AH and say so in your blurb it'll sell.

    • @ArthaxtaDaVince777
      @ArthaxtaDaVince777 10 років тому

      you can try to buy a auction selling license from anyone, or a guildie, i got my free from a guildie.

    • @EvilDutchTV
      @EvilDutchTV 10 років тому

      ArthaxtaDaVince777 You can trade AHL, it's account bound as soon you buy it. Ones you become patron, you get it for free automatically.

    • @dmallis99
      @dmallis99 10 років тому

      EVILDUTCH Have the friend gift one to you, I had someone do this for just 10 gold, sold about 350 gold worth of stuff i had been hoarding almost instantly afterwards. Worth it.

    • @ArthaxtaDaVince777
      @ArthaxtaDaVince777 10 років тому

      Bryce Basham
      yes very much true

  • @Gatrax
    @Gatrax 10 років тому

    So I can start working towards this goal after level 25? im level 26 right now but am playing with my brother so im on the West side although I wanted to play Firran TT-TT
    from what ive seen in Faction chat as ive played APEX was going for minimum of 60 gold on Elna.

  • @eliawillis52
    @eliawillis52 8 років тому

    Iggy, it's 2.9
    I'm maining on EU and an alt on Morpheus and Ollo which are 15ish for farming. I'll get two apexes this week. what's your advise to keep the patron and not to lose it? Is it still the same method on the video or? Though Apex is for 630g/700g right now. I'm thinking of doing aged cheese from Solzhenitsyn to Sanddeep which is 20g for each pack. and Mining in either Morpheus or Ollo. please reply back I'd appreciate any advises.

    • @eliawillis52
      @eliawillis52 8 років тому

      solz-Sanddeep* Sorry, autocorrect.

  • @savage9350
    @savage9350 10 років тому

    i dont get the eu and na thing, so your acc on na is the same as the acc on eu so i buy apex on na it goes to my eu acc and if i just logg in i get the tokkens?

  • @jasonjewell6887
    @jasonjewell6887 10 років тому

    great vid was looking to find my own way to do just this but this will help tons ty! did something almoat the same to play everquest for free also

  • @ZackZeysto
    @ZackZeysto 9 років тому

    This strategie dont work out on my Server (Enla - American). I can't gain, even with selling "worker's compensation", enough money. Simple calculation:
    1 workers compensation (25 loy-points)= 25gold.
    So per day you gain 5 gold.
    After 30 days = 150g.
    But one Apex cost now about 140g.
    Dont want to complain here its just became so much more greedy. Not sure i want to play the game anymore, couse you need spend enourmous time on the game as a F2P-gamer just to hold your Patron-status.

  • @MykTheOccultist
    @MykTheOccultist 10 років тому

    what server is this? worker's comp is 12g-15g each on my server. it sucks.

  • @ShogunGamingExperience666
    @ShogunGamingExperience666 9 років тому

    O.O Apex on my server is for about 600G + and the workers compensation are between 70 to 100 gold ...

  • @sudekantanr5455
    @sudekantanr5455 8 років тому

    Okay can someone explain me? So, i should be a patron to build houses and garden etc. If I get patron for 30 days then if i build a house over there, when my patron expires, what happens to my house? Sorry about that grammar btw.

  • @thehunter2754
    @thehunter2754 8 років тому

    F2P can't access the auction house or land or is it all unlocked at lvl 15?

  • @Adam.C
    @Adam.C 10 років тому

    Man the prices on NA are stupidly cheap... I'm on the biggest EU server and we have 90-100g Apex and Wokers compensation rose as high as 15g at one point, still at about 10g each now -.-

  • @emirkljajic3680
    @emirkljajic3680 9 років тому

    I can make tax certificate and buy house plans will I be able to build house and pay taxses if I am not patreon

  • @propilot13
    @propilot13 9 років тому

    How do you sell things on the auction house if your not patron ...

  • @xXTre930Xx
    @xXTre930Xx 7 років тому +2

    Should probably annotate this is very outdated. Prices completely different now. Should be common sense cuz it's pretty old. But yeah, trying to be helpful for new players

  • @xerolith
    @xerolith 10 років тому

    I tried the NA EU trick for loyalty coins but it didn't give them to me for EU. Is there a trick I don't know about?

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      Really? I did it today. Logged in, 5 loyalty tokens.

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      Igniter Poo Did it again, 5 more tokens today, 935 labor while I was sleeping.

  • @goldmask9
    @goldmask9 9 років тому

    Apex right now on 2/5/15 is about 600+gold

  • @kirpppan5586
    @kirpppan5586 10 років тому

    Or just run through the main quest lines with a few alts. Clippers sell for about 40g and the runs take about 1,5h. Send the clipper designs to your main.

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      Not a bad idea either!

    • @pingon55555
      @pingon55555 10 років тому +1

      I have heard this before, but I have never understood it. I have a level 37 and I have done the main quest up to level 25 or so, and I have done a few dailies and I have only got 30 guilda. The design is 50 guilda, and guilda is untradable, so how the hell do you make enough guilda in 1.5hrs for a design?

    • @seren1ty930
      @seren1ty930 10 років тому

      mald ltiti ¨Because the mainquest continues after level 25, it goes up to around lv30. You must've missed picking it back up in a new area, since you get 4 gilda stars per quest after that.

    • @pingon55555
      @pingon55555 10 років тому

      Seren1ty I know that, but you aren't gonna get to level 30 in 1hr and 30 mins by yourself, no freaking way.

    • @seren1ty930
      @seren1ty930 10 років тому

      mald ltiti No? You'll be about level 13 when you finish it, it takes roughly 1 hour and 40 minutes depending on how fast you can acquire help.
      You only need help 2-3 times throughout the entire questline, from someone higher level to kill the last "boss". The rest of it is just "go report to this guy" or "use this item here then go report to this guy"

  • @emirkljajic3680
    @emirkljajic3680 9 років тому

    I can make tax certificate and buy house plans but im not a patreon will i be able to build house

  • @andrewpalafox7632
    @andrewpalafox7632 8 років тому

    I love how he is like, "Don't spend it on useless crap, sAVE IT."

  • @dw-rh6fb
    @dw-rh6fb 7 років тому +1

    how can you list something on the AH without patron?

    • @djboy021
      @djboy021 7 років тому +1

      d w buy AH license

    • @dw-rh6fb
      @dw-rh6fb 7 років тому

      fAb pAndA I got it that night, someone was kind enough to gift me one :)

  • @jacobgame2757
    @jacobgame2757 9 років тому

    Labor potions are like a million times more now.

  • @thossi
    @thossi 9 років тому +1

    that was a time when labor pot cost 8g.....

  • @bjornjohansson1892
    @bjornjohansson1892 9 років тому

    This doesnt work cuz apex cost 250G on melisara

  • @TrapWHre
    @TrapWHre 10 років тому

    so im playing on EU. i have patron here. so do i just log in everyday in EU and NA and get 10 loyality tokens a day ? i dont need patron on NA`?

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      Patron is on EU and NA. So if your account has patron you have it on both.

    • @TrapWHre
      @TrapWHre 10 років тому

      Igniter Poo i just went onto an american server and i didnt get any tokens, had no labor and no patron either

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      ***** You must be a patron already.

    • @TrapWHre
      @TrapWHre 10 років тому

      Igniter Poo dude i have patron on EU, i just dont have it on NA

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      ***** Bug? Did you buy your patron with Apex?

  • @Jaricko
    @Jaricko 9 років тому

    Apex is like 500 gold on the auction now.

  • @KelvinWrightUnity3D
    @KelvinWrightUnity3D 9 років тому

    I'm free to play and each 3 hours i can get 50-60 GOLD with killing bosses AA(RU) (Sorry my bad English)

  • @matrix23456
    @matrix23456 9 років тому

    There's a problem with that, I, as a free player do not have access to the auction house until I'm Patron status

    • @marcialpwns
      @marcialpwns 9 років тому

      +Dark Star Gaming you sure? you need to talk to an NPC im f2p and i allways was able to use the AH

    • @matros2l
      @matros2l 9 років тому

      +marcelo amaral You can buy but you can't sell.So at start till you get patron can't make gold through action house.

    • @marcialpwns
      @marcialpwns 9 років тому

      matros2l im not patron and i sell stuff on AH all the time

    • @matros2l
      @matros2l 9 років тому

      If you get one time patron acces then you have action house for ever.Even if your patron expires.Or else you need an Action License. and again is one time thing.Then you have access to sell for ever.The hard is to get your first patron or action house license..After that you can play with ah for ever :)

    • @marcialpwns
      @marcialpwns 9 років тому

      matros2l well good thing i logged in at the release of the game than, there was a bug that everyone got patron for 3 days, probably thats why i have the acess

  • @axismage91
    @axismage91 10 років тому

    gonna play hard during thanksgiving :)

  • @leticiaqueiroz8887
    @leticiaqueiroz8887 8 років тому +1

    Apex on my server right now its 570g each so.....

  • @Key.Fantasy
    @Key.Fantasy 9 років тому

    Selling on the auction House without patron... yeah nice Gold base

  • @Cascascap
    @Cascascap 9 років тому +1

    60 gold a piece for apex? in my server they cost like 400 gold jesus christ

    • @Cascascap
      @Cascascap 9 років тому +2

      Oh the old times...

  • @CraftCastUK
    @CraftCastUK 9 років тому +2

    Hi its me again could you do a updated video of this because a lot has changed with prices and trade runs and farm carts

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому +2

      Updated it a lot with notes n stuff.

    • @CraftCastUK
      @CraftCastUK 9 років тому

      Ok Cool could you do a video on fishing and how to start of with it haven't found a good video about and i think you would do a good job about it

  • @EnMaybee
    @EnMaybee 10 років тому

    do u know how to increase weaponry proficiency?i mean the cheapest way.. thx

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      Weaponcrafting sucks to level. Cannon balls probably? Other than making actual weapons...

    • @EnMaybee
      @EnMaybee 10 років тому

      yeah its sooo sucks..need a lot of dust.. and im brokeee ~

  • @MykTheOccultist
    @MykTheOccultist 10 років тому

    Isn't it Acrum Iris? not Arcum Iris.

  • @matros2l
    @matros2l 9 років тому

    This video is out of date.Even labor costs have changed.Not to mention other things... Please add an out of date to discription or erase it cause people got messed up and this doesn't help at all!

  • @valantiskefalas4353
    @valantiskefalas4353 9 років тому +1

    Current Apex price 630 gold. :|

  • @bjornjohansson1892
    @bjornjohansson1892 9 років тому

    Workers compensation costs 120G on melisara ;(

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому

      Likely due to them being taken of the market for a little bit.

  • @yukowl
    @yukowl 10 років тому

    Seen like 5 vids now where workers comps are so cheap... on my server price is between 10 and 16 gold -.-

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому

      Rising prices :(

    • @andy2774
      @andy2774 9 років тому

      Igniter Poo in my server they are 30gold+ :(

  • @-Miasimon
    @-Miasimon 9 років тому

    ~.~ and now, you'd be better off fishing... dat Worker's Comp is working its way into the low 30s on my server.
    The run I've been doing was Silent Forest->Solis.. get about 6-7g, enter no PvP zones, and can take a *lot* of the route on your boat (across the lake, and then again while hugging the coast) took about 15-20 mins to complete.. plus the fact that you can get about 100 grapes for about 1g, which will last about 3-4 packs, and milk is about.. 3-4g for 100, last I checked (about 10 packs worth).
    It'd take about 5 runs to get a single worker's comp, as long as it stays above 120% (it usually does... haven't seen it below that on Salphira, yet... everyone's doing Silent Forest>Falcorth (no idea what it makes, but the 109-119 24/7 with the occasional 96 doesn't make me want to do it.)

    • @-Miasimon
      @-Miasimon 9 років тому

      APEX is also sitting at 180+, so... yeah... that'd make the grind to your first time Patron pretty long, if you don't have a fishing boat.
      Also... land ownership is all but pointless unless you can rake in the gold to buy overpriced land from "hackers", general no-life land grabbers (what else do you call someone who camps a plot and grabbing it the exact nanosecond it opens?), and bots.

    • @Shivus
      @Shivus 9 років тому

      Miasimon apex is at 250+ ...

    • @-Miasimon
      @-Miasimon 9 років тому

      GhostWolfs
      Yeah.. noticed that last night... the economy is fucked.. thanks Trion.

    • @rafaelpun
      @rafaelpun 9 років тому

      Miasimon apex in my server is around 200g now. maybe before the racing kit fiasco, this was fine to do to keep apex, but not anymore. if you do this trade for only 7 gold, then you need to do it 30 times to get 1 apex. and you need 2 apex to get patron.

    • @-Miasimon
      @-Miasimon 9 років тому

      Rafael Chung
      Yeah... it's going up and down on mine.. sometimes as low as 180, but most of the time at 210, and I've seen 230 on peak hours.
      Best thing you can possibly do, get a fishing boat and go fishing. Or do like me and take up printing, because paper is at 20-30 per 100. Lumber is just under that, going for 18-23 per 100... what I do:
      Go to a place like Mahadevi (eastern), and just run around chopping down every wild rubber tree (there's a metric ton of them. rubber trees blend in almost perfectly with the natural unchoppable trees, so they go mostly unnoticed.)

  • @hannesbeukes345
    @hannesbeukes345 9 років тому

    apex is now 850 gold on eu

  • @rei8313
    @rei8313 9 років тому

    Just make a cute char and be very cute to other players ... and get the 200g for 2 Apex for free ^^ (like me :D )
    Another way is - climb through the mountains and make a super hidden farm with cherry trees and sell the cherries in AH or to players. (for the AH u need a license, but i got it free from lvl 50 peeps ^^)
    Another way (best way) - get a GUILD and lend the 2 Apex from guildmates ... with the labor and loyality token you earn now, you can get back the gold for buying 2 apex easyly...

  • @100pwndragons
    @100pwndragons 10 років тому

    how do f2p get AH liscence?

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому

      Friend can gift it. You can just sell in /faction though, just under cut the AH a tiny bit.

  • @AlekDzn
    @AlekDzn 9 років тому

    Apex price on EU servers are almost 300g now ^^ so there goes this way of getting apex lol

  • @vuki300
    @vuki300 9 років тому

    i was like what is he talking about 7 gold profit is useless, but then deeper in the video, apex was way way cheaper.. if i played then i would've had free patron. now its way more expensive ~500g each

    • @GeneralTruex
      @GeneralTruex 9 років тому

      800g on my server...Traderuns are still the same profit thus making them useless.

    • @vuki300
      @vuki300 9 років тому

      GeneralTrue im sorry for ya :(

    • @GeneralTruex
      @GeneralTruex 9 років тому

      I`m also blind on how to make any kind of good gold in this game =/

    • @nerotix
      @nerotix 9 років тому

      GeneralTrue fishing with a boat.. 1k labor gives me 400g ~

  • @tgmbrett
    @tgmbrett 10 років тому

    What server are youon?

  • @MCgulliien
    @MCgulliien 10 років тому

    In villanelle I always get 11 stabilizers =D

  • @MarkChthonic
    @MarkChthonic 9 років тому

    lol Worker's Comp costs about 45 g on my server. to hell

  • @HaileyBunni
    @HaileyBunni 9 років тому

    Apex is 310g per on my server.. lol

  • @strategy101master
    @strategy101master 10 років тому

    Hey Mr. patron guess what f2p can't auction stuff off

  • @redhawkrobin
    @redhawkrobin 4 роки тому

    Apex cost like 3k gold now o.o

  • @tamerkingg5650
    @tamerkingg5650 9 років тому

    1 apex in europe is now 600+ :/

  • @reyflp
    @reyflp 9 років тому

    holy fuck dude! worker's comp is 48G in my server dude

  • @sassyrav
    @sassyrav 7 років тому

    Awesome, Apex goes for 534g each on Reckoning......

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  7 років тому

      You can still login to EU to go mining, do beehives, or make tax certs until 230k. Login tracker + 2k daily labor quest means free voc as well. I make 100g/day on EU easily from just tax certs alone.

  • @BrickOnAStick
    @BrickOnAStick 9 років тому

    Lol, if only apex didn't sell for 450 now

  • @bRoDyZambrano
    @bRoDyZambrano 9 років тому

    Wow you discovered trade runs to do gold, nice advice (sarcasm) xD , sorry had to, and you do the Rookborne - Falc trade run to get gold fast (across the mountain , look for it on youtube) , in 10 min you do 7g with one pack , so yeah your trade runs not worth compared to that one for fast money xD! And BTW if you wanna spend you Loyalty Tokens do it on TAX CERTIFICATES... 13.5g for 10 , you get 20 with 15 loyalty points... Gotta get your info straight before giving advice because some ppl might try your method and lose time and money :S.. :P!! Sorry for being an ass :D!

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому +1

      I mentioned the falcorth run in one of my speech bubbles. Keep in mind rook to falc is nearly always at 70% now. Also why would a F2P player without land buy tax certs? Anyone who just gets patron will likely not have land, so certs are useless.
      Also keep in mind Rook is a pvp zone. I wouldn't run a pack there as a lowbie. Also longer the run the higher the profit. Labor pots are too expensive at the moment so labor is a hot commodity Afking on dummies/the court is very important now..

    • @bRoDyZambrano
      @bRoDyZambrano 9 років тому

      Igniter Poo The falc run has 10 sec of risk , ive run it with low level characters, if you know how to do it you will only be on a pvp zone for 10 sec and takes less than 10 min to do. Falc is almost always from 110% to 130% on trades , gotta check the best times tho.
      And the Tax Certs are not useless , they are to SELL in the AH. A F2P player will NOT have loyalty points , so we are assuming they got their first 2 APEX and are running their first month of Patron , assuming that , they should buy Tax Certs to sell on the AH for 27g for the 20 certs they will get. so in like 9 days they will have money for 1 Apex. :) .. Tax certs from the loyalty shop are NOT bound.

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому +1

      They are clearly labeled "Bound Tax Certificates". Are you saying they're mis labeled? When moused over it also says bind on pickup.

  • @darklordxfire
    @darklordxfire 9 років тому

    i can still do that stuff ghave toons louper LOL

  • @xILOVEMUSIKx
    @xILOVEMUSIKx 10 років тому

    wow how cheap , in european Server Aier one Apex cost at 120 Gold . Europa always expensive in every game , the fuckin devs should stop milk people in Europe .

    • @LoLStance
      @LoLStance 9 років тому

      Hook me up on Aier and we might be able to play together im lacking people to play with :D

    • @mariusbutkus1947
      @mariusbutkus1947 9 років тому

      The players run the economy not the devs. Though sometimes they fuck up and break it.

  • @EnockEzra
    @EnockEzra 9 років тому

    and now the apex dupe is patched.

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому

      The dupe didn't make new apex, it only added credits to the account without consuming the apex.

  • @100pwndragons
    @100pwndragons 9 років тому

    1 apex on Ezi is 500g now

  • @SoseHatraljMeg
    @SoseHatraljMeg 10 років тому

    Apex in EU is more than 80-100g :)

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  10 років тому

      Yeah I've heard the prices fluctuate. Will likely need to find the best times to buy apex, and will probably need that gold from offline labor regen to help out.

    • @SoseHatraljMeg
      @SoseHatraljMeg 10 років тому

      Igniter Poo sadly now went up to 110-120 this morning in Nui. It is really sad. But the strategy itself is true just the prices are different. Worker 13-14g most of the time

    • @ArthaxtaDaVince777
      @ArthaxtaDaVince777 10 років тому

      Igniter Poo
      so

    • @booniedog96
      @booniedog96 10 років тому

      ArthaxtaDaVince777
      Based on one account, you will earn 5 loyalty tokens on NA and 5 tokens on EU when you log in to each region. The accounts on each region share loyalty tokens no matter how many alts you have on them.

    • @ArthaxtaDaVince777
      @ArthaxtaDaVince777 10 років тому

      booniedog96
      oic ok thx, so you guys just collect 15 loyalty and get companion crust, and sell that? that means you get 10 of them in one month, with a profit of 120g?

  • @locoosomedvedevs9323
    @locoosomedvedevs9323 9 років тому

    300g for one apex in Eanna

    • @MrIggiepoo
      @MrIggiepoo  9 років тому

      Locooso Medvedevs 220 Ollo

    • @bloodwoot
      @bloodwoot 9 років тому

      Locooso Medvedevs 320-350 on duhata, or dahuta... or whatever >.

    • @milessims5398
      @milessims5398 7 років тому

      900 now.

  • @bayraktarx1386
    @bayraktarx1386 9 років тому

    This labour system is really stupid..

  • @omegapng
    @omegapng 10 років тому

    Patron* :)

  • @Oleanderthal
    @Oleanderthal 9 років тому

    lol u play on ollo

  • @deanchetty6367
    @deanchetty6367 9 років тому

    and sell on AH hahahaha WRONG!

  • @poltronaquente8722
    @poltronaquente8722 8 років тому +1

    Now a days apex is 700 gold.I saw a lot of videos about arcehage saying how to make easy money,and the truth is that they are all crap.Archeage is a pay to win game.There is no ways to play arcehage and be competitive if you do not pay,or have a LIFE.I lime to say that this game it is destroyed by Trion,archeage have the potencial to be the best mmo that exists but Trion prefer to make a pay to win game.

    • @tattguy87
      @tattguy87 8 років тому

      yeah I use to have faith in it being not p2w but it just is