@grandmasteryoda9893 Yeah, was about to say, that's not a lack of response to friction, that's too much response too early. Subzero will do the same thing but just with a symmetrical reaction shape, whereas with the Jackal series you get that typical Jackal-esque, angular response but one that will go forward if it sees friction too early. If anything, Motiv may be overdoing it on the strength; all of the top-end balls (Raptor Fury, Onyx, Evoke, Subzero, Dynasty) need some volume up front or you risk having them see it too early and expend too much energy before the spot. I'm glad they compared this to the Legacy because -- especially the stroker at the end -- you see how much more shape the Onyx has. I have a Legacy and was surprised to see how much more the Onyx has in the tank. If you can find some videos of this thing on Chromium (The Hype uses it sometimes, and Luke Rosdahl always uses it but doesn't always review Motiv pieces) then it gets really clear what it's supposed to be used on.
@@Jackal_Blitz sounds like you’re expecting the “strongest ball” to “hook the most”. That’s not really how it works. Strong balls blend wet/dry by partly starting up sooner and being calmer and smoother. This may be perceived as weak but that’s not what’s happening. It’s using its strength to overpower the condition.
These balls are good for heavier patterns or people that don't have alot of revs. Or for when your pattern is cliffed in league from having 8 people on your pair all playing second to 3rd arrow for two or three games. Where the big hooking balls like a hammer effect or katana assault or something will struggle. They will either bounce early and go through the face or not come up due to the puddle
@@TamerBowling That's not what I'm saying man. I know the difference between hook and motion. On several of these shots, you could see the ball was going to blow by the headpin without some help from the lane, and it only made it back because it hit a pretty obvious dry spot. Every ball gets help from the dry on the lane in some way, of course, but this one just looked like it really liked bouncing off the dry more than it did actually doing its job of getting traction and stabilizing in the oil.
I'm a lefty too. I have a Legacy also. I was considering drilling the Onyx pin down.
Good stuff. Right on lefty!
Ball for Sport conditions, too iffy for House shots for me. 🤔
@@russellgilbert3453 depends on the condition and bowler. For Bryan it looked fantastic on this pattern. For the rest of us it was too much.
For a ball in the top left of the Motiv chart, that thing sure looks like it needs a lot of help from the dry. Not real impressive looking... :\
no its burning up. its to dry. put this on 30ml oil and 43 feet sport pattern,than we talking
@grandmasteryoda9893 Yeah, was about to say, that's not a lack of response to friction, that's too much response too early. Subzero will do the same thing but just with a symmetrical reaction shape, whereas with the Jackal series you get that typical Jackal-esque, angular response but one that will go forward if it sees friction too early. If anything, Motiv may be overdoing it on the strength; all of the top-end balls (Raptor Fury, Onyx, Evoke, Subzero, Dynasty) need some volume up front or you risk having them see it too early and expend too much energy before the spot. I'm glad they compared this to the Legacy because -- especially the stroker at the end -- you see how much more shape the Onyx has. I have a Legacy and was surprised to see how much more the Onyx has in the tank. If you can find some videos of this thing on Chromium (The Hype uses it sometimes, and Luke Rosdahl always uses it but doesn't always review Motiv pieces) then it gets really clear what it's supposed to be used on.
@@Jackal_Blitz sounds like you’re expecting the “strongest ball” to “hook the most”. That’s not really how it works. Strong balls blend wet/dry by partly starting up sooner and being calmer and smoother. This may be perceived as weak but that’s not what’s happening. It’s using its strength to overpower the condition.
These balls are good for heavier patterns or people that don't have alot of revs. Or for when your pattern is cliffed in league from having 8 people on your pair all playing second to 3rd arrow for two or three games. Where the big hooking balls like a hammer effect or katana assault or something will struggle. They will either bounce early and go through the face or not come up due to the puddle
@@TamerBowling That's not what I'm saying man. I know the difference between hook and motion. On several of these shots, you could see the ball was going to blow by the headpin without some help from the lane, and it only made it back because it hit a pretty obvious dry spot. Every ball gets help from the dry on the lane in some way, of course, but this one just looked like it really liked bouncing off the dry more than it did actually doing its job of getting traction and stabilizing in the oil.