Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: M50 Sherman, Part 1
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2022
- Cross-post on time-delay from World of Tanks North America channel for those who don't follow it, while I finish a European trip.
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This M50 is the slightly-less famous Israeli upgrade to Sherman, designed to keep the former M3 75mm tanks up to par alongside the 76mm M1 tanks. Don't worry if you have difficulty keeping up with Israeli Shermans, it's not an easy topic. This particular vehicle is owned and operated by Battlefield Vegas.
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The Chieftain: “Sometimes I go off on tangents.”
Us: “Yes, we know. Please continue.”
Excellent comment.
Tangent away Chieftain
Yep "please continue (on the tangent)" lol
Watching chieftain’s Sherman videos is a bit like watching Forgotten Weapons videos on Garands: they’re all great, and there seems to be an unlimited number of variants to talk about
Well, I mean, they're Shermans. There are probably hundreds of different variants all told...
Or FW doing another Luger video. Everything from a slight tweak to altered for a different caliber gets covered in detail.
Or a FW video on Bergmann's.
@@dbKneecapped Long may we remember the fabled Month of Bethmann’s
@@MaverickCulp Forgotten Bergmanns was a UA-cam sensation.
I have much admiration for an Irishman that wears all-black... in the Mojave... in July... without even a hat. I half expected an "Oh, bugger, my skin is on fire!" emergency drill.
He is part Greek to be fair.
@@CallanElliott When he said about the cool July weather , I laughed and said "yeah its a bit cool atm" ........ then i remembered his on the other side of the equator and its middle of Summer , and not an Aussie winter ........ to be fair our Winter temps probably close to most of Americas Summer temp LOL
😂
"it turned out, that yes you could" I bet that's one of the most common answers the Chieftains gets in his head when he's inspecting how and why they did most things when diving in on these tanks
It would not surprise me if the Israelis still had a Sherman program, hidden away somewhere, that’s been continually modernized “just in case”. It now has an American turret, British Chobham armor, Russian reactive defenses, Polish tracks, Czech bogeys, German 120mm gun and a Swiss V-12 engine. Mandatory rear hanging bucket is still under development, the RFP responses were less than exciting. To keep relations in good standing they’ll likely go French for this.
In all seriousness, their Sherman just looks bad ass.
In all seriousness, I think they are just fine with Merkava. Perhaps newer and better "other" hulls such as Centurion may be the subject of a few developments but Israel now benefits from standardisation of it's MBT fleet. Not as interesting for tank nuts like us.
Out of interest Daren, have you seen the Namer heavy APC based on Merkava. I wonder where the Russian got the idea for their T15?
Why would Israel need Russian reactive defenses when it was Israel that pioneered both ERA (Soviets started designing and deploying ERA after studying samples of Blazer captured in the 1982 war) and active protection (Trophy is in active service, whereas various Soviet/Russian attempts have been acquired by exactly nobody)?
@@borismekler The T-90A has Shtora Soft Kill APS not sure about the T-90M though.
@@WastelandWanderer1216 'Soft-kill APS' is fancy-speak for smoke dischargers, which have been a feature of most armored vehicles since early WWII.
@@borismekler Aren't there like dazzlers on both sides of the gun though? Or are those just IR Lights?
If you think about it, the history of this particular specimen is quite interesting and unusual. An american tank sold to the french where they retrofitted it, after which it was sold to the israelis who retrofitted it again and now it's back in the US with a collector. An 80 year journey to make the ultimate frankenpanzer.
When you build model tanks you can always bank on the Israeli's to provide you with an ungodly amounts of conversions of existing model, and to have to equip them with an ungodly amount of stowage and machine guns. I swear, the IDF was what spawned boutique model kits and above all conversion sets.
If anything on the internet was ever true this would be it.
I sometimes wonder could they turn that into an operational tank when looking at a house brick. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch after all the upgrades to Shermans, Centurions and now Merkavas.
@@gordonlawrence1448 They can, and in theory, is not that difficult, for a country army that is... question is... why would u? Even after adding a modern engine that still in production with tons of spare parts with no reliability issues and adding modern day eletronics and add on armor ( if it suspension could even handle the weight ) they would still be as fragile as some APC's, all of which can use a gun as big as this things if u need it.
at the same time, you can make any mistake and be historically accurate since there was probably one made like that
@@NotTheCIA1961 🤣
You are 100% the reason I am concerned with track tension in any form or fashion…
We have to talk about how this isn't a standard Sherman.
5 minutes later, "otherwise it's a basic Sherman". 😀
That's a damn fine looking Sherman.
If it looks right, then it probably is.
I wanted to write the same, so good I am not the only one😉
These Shermans are a great example of just how good parts interchangeably was I feel like no other tank could have had this role
That's a good point.
The Israeli Sherman are certainly some of my favorites, they’ve got quite a History and their modifications make them really interesting, especially since they remained in service till 2001.
i saw this tank a few years ago and took tons of photos of it. shes in great shape
By the way, I for one do find technical things like track tension quite interesting. It's an insight into a side of life for tank crews that not easy to google. Not to mention, important.
Such a delightful presentation. I just found myself listening to his voice instead of the words and had to rewatch.
Have we just discovered the tank equivalent of the Ship of Theseus?
Still has the original hull, though.
@@ScottKenny1978 Exactly. Which is the fundamental structure.
Hey Yuzral! 👋
@@justforever96 Yes, that is like the receiver on small arms, the hull bears the serial number
Long stories and tangents are what I’m here for! Great video as always!
Thanks for using less music Chieftain! Its wonderful not to have the distraction of music noise while listening to your lecture.
Just watched an old war movie called Kill Rommel (1969) where the tanks used on both sides were Shermans with what looked like AMX13 turrets mounted on them, I'd never seen or heard of these before and wondered about them. I looked them up on the net (still feel lucky 2 live in such an age) and they turn out to be French-built Egyptian M4A4 Fl-10 tanks from the mid-1950s. They had the same gun as the M50 with a 12-round auto-loader, a different option on a similar theme provided by the Fench but seem to have performed very poorly. I wondered why but noticed many were captured intact so maybe morale and logistics were the problem?
Once I get the notification of a new chieftain video I have to watch immediately. I hate to admit this but since part 2 is already out on the WoT channel I usually go watch it there.
That's fine. This is more for folks who don't follow WoT channel. That's why these cross-posts released on 'minor release' days (Wednesdays).
Would be interesting to see him do a inside The Chieftains hatch on the M 51 super Sherman with the 105 mm gun
An excellent summation, thanks once again!!
The collab between you and WoT has been awesome over the years. Thanks for another vid!
"early July"
You've been sitting on this for a while then.
Does take time to edit a video.
Does take time to edit a video.
Thanks Nick! We just seem to not get enough Sherman.
The background musik... legendary
The Israeli M50 is probably my favorite version of the Sherman tank.
I'll go with the Israeli-Italian-Chilean version with the 60mm High Velocity Medium Gun - which I think is the final variant to serve as a gun tank. i.imgur.com/LW6QNfv.jpg
Middle of July?
Holy backlog batman!
To paraphrase a phrase, "That Sherman, he's a really useful tank".
I've done PT on a fake turf football field in july and I gotta imagine this tank has to be like that where every surface feels like a hot stove
You gotta do the M51 next!!!
This video misses the critical and essential element of track tensioning!!! How can we fully appreciate this tank without it ! The Chieftain is slipping ! :)
It wouldn't be a Cheiftain video without a track tension part :-(
This is prefaced as being a "part 1". So perhaps he will go into it with "part 2"...?
@@zanaduz2018 but part 1 was outside. Part 2 I expect to be inside. I am not hopeful :(( lop
@@animal16365 or the "Oh bugger the tank is on fire." Test
@@GrumpyIan Surely if he missed Track Tension in part 1, he cannot miss 'the tank is one fire' test in part 2.... if he does it will "an emotional event" :)
Thank you Sir Nicolas
With some duct tape, an angle grinder and some grade A contortionism we'll get a 120mm in that thing yet.
Yugoslavia already did 122mm same gun as the IS-2
they already did it lmao, 122mm
You forgot to mention the spare armour plate and a welder of some variety, most probably stick.
I have a picture of myself on one in the Sinai, a wreck, which is used as a landmark.
Why does the 16 complicate the history? I HAVE TO KNOW! TELL ME YOU MONSTER, TELL ME!
Morgan freeman: little did he know that he would never know, his bucket list read simply, what does the 16 mean.
The only thing I ever dislike about Nick's videos is waiting for Part 2
This is Chieftain's upload of the M-50. The completed 2 part video is in WoT's youtube channel uploaded months ago.
@@darnit1944 yeah thanks. It was great. I kinda was speaking in general.
Chieftain: “it’s hot in July in Nevada. Think I’ll wear a black shirt and long black pants”.
This is it! This is the Chieftain Video I wanted to see. Thanks!
Great video and nice intro to whimsical manner of Israeli modifications of the Sherman,
Im glad Battlefield Vegas has kept the livery the same since it came from the MVTF
This reminds me somewhat of the engine compartment in 1980s/90s Toyota MPVs - pretty large bonnets with compact engines, leaving enough space for people like me (i.e. not very big) to stick our entire heads in right next to the engine block if we needed to check anything while repairing or testing the engine and drivetrain components. Today’s cars may be much more space-efficient in this regard but also less fun.
Hot damn, I just love M50! I like all Shermans, but M50 is just a real beast among the lot!
I'm really happy to see you again! I already used your WoT code looong ago so.. there's no more ways to support your collabs with WoT?
I know about your patreon which supports you and your money to travel to different musseums and places just for your videos but I'd like to know if we can support your collabs with WoT, mostly because everybody (mostly again) here already has a WoT account.
This tank would be great to model if you love individualising your model. For the most part whatever you add is going to be right. If, on the other hand, you like to make yours as accurate as possible then it may be a good idea to try something elses.
One thing I've learned in AFV, Aircraft and Railroad modeling is Base Your Model on Photos of the Prototype
Early July? This man is time traveling
@Real Aiglon sorry, what do you mean by that?
@Real Aiglon I'm obvious to know that this probably took a year to release. I am aware this if from July 2021.
I wonder if you’ll ever get on (or in) a Chilean Sherman. To my knowledge, they’re the second to last country to retire the Sherman (last being Paraguay in 2018)
2018 yikes
@@shadowlord1418 Yes indeed, yikes!
July he says, when it's not even June lol. Keep up the good work!
Another insightful video on the Sherman!
Chieftain is getting a new daily driver with his vegas winnings!
Really starting to wonder if the M50 is going to end up in WoT at this point.
Already in WOT
M4A1 Rev
The Rev is a 105mm tank with horrible gun handling. The M50 is an Israeli Sherman that's been upgraded front to back.
@@evanulven8249 To be specific, the Rev is the M-51 as the Rev uses the cast hull.
@@daemonhunter100 Technically no, as it's the prototype for the M-51.
WELL THATS A BLOODY BIG PICK IN MIX DONE VERY WELL .
Outstanding video and presentation.
I just knew there is a reason my body don't wanna sleep 5am in the morning! Is The Chieftain Time!
...ooh, the cool, cool climate of southern Nevada! ...where you get completely dried, dehydrated and mummified after an hour long hike...
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
This looks great!
As far as stowage goes, from my experience as a US tanker, I agree with the Chieftain - the more the merrier. Tank crews live on their vehicles, so it's as much a mobile home as a weapon. Note the Israeli version of the buttback clipped to the rail behind the turret. There is one thing the IDF forgot - where's the beer cooler?
As far as one tow cable per tank - the IDF is nowhere near as wealthy as the US military. When you are field a couple thousand tanks, small savings add up
maybe my favorite inside the hatch yet.
I know the low tiers would be a lot of clone tanks, but I wish there was an Israeli tech tree in the game.
Or maybe a Pan-Middle Eastern tech tree
There's one in War Thunder now.
@@wolfehoffmann2697 Shermans, Shermans everywhere
lol, I love the tangents
These early cold war shermans are cool as hell. Also proves that German WWII vehicles weren't "the best things ever" because if they were, they would have seen continued development and not the Sherman.
I like how every time the camera cuts the Chieftan's colour palette shifts slightly closer to that of a tomato.
Sun burn.
Haha, lindybeige rubbing off on you, going off on tangents like that
Please go on next time though. Best of lloyd's videos are when he sees something interesting and the whole video is an tangent filled with tangents
For a guy who make a UA-cam career for tract tension, to just pass it off shows the power he now controls for his brand.
I like the M51 sherman with the 105
Backward compatibility for the win.
"oh, where's 1st sgt. with my sleeping?!"
Oh hell yeah finally one I’m excited about
If you're interested in the track tensioning system of a Sherman... Nicholas, who do you think you are talking to?!
8:03 "m3 sherman" lmao
He is not wrong. The Israeli designations are:
-M-1 Sherman: Any Sherman with 76mm M1 gun
-M-1 Super Sherman: any Sherman with 76mm and HVSS suspension
-M-3 Sherman: Any Sherman with the 75mm M3 gun
-M-4 Sherman: Any Sherman with 105mm Howitzer.
The M-50 is a modified M-3.
That SA 50 Gun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_50
was designed to have similar characteristics to the
7.5 cm KwK 42 used on the German Mark V - Panther
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_KwK_42
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I saw the thumbnail and before I read the title I thought that the Chieftain had made his way back to Ft. Irwin and got his hands on an OSV.
Cool weather in July in Nevada. 😂🤣😂🤣
finally! a video of my favorite tank!
relatively recent addition to warthunder
This is my all time favorite tank. I'm trying to get a model. But dam tey exspensive
That's the Jonny Cash model. Put together one piece at a time, complete with an Adaptor plate for the gun.
A Panther gun derivative on a Sherman...that sounds like justice
Love your videos
Could have sworn I watched part two of this in December last year. 🤔
I love this channel
hey Chieftain. i work at GDLS prototype shop in sterling hieghts. you should try to get a tour there. we are building some surprises for AUSA show. wait to u see the new abrams.
Great video.
HE PRONOUNCED NEVADA RIGHT LETS FUCKING GO
As a member of the Nevada Army National Guard for over a decade, it would be surprising if I got it wrong.
Great intro 👏
early July? how old is this video?
Yay for long intro!
I'd really wish for Chieftain to visit Czechia and review 35 and 38(t) at Lešany.
you should go to mastermilo look at his t-69
Part 2 coming in 2023
Very intersting
Must go Boom, Must go BOOM!!!
thank you . ( 2022 / May / 21 )
I don't know if you have touched on this before, but what is your opinion/theory on what the Sherman Comb is?
I have, it is a brake lock for shipping.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Thank you for the response, That is probably a concept I may become more familiar with as I am likely to join the Merchant Marine as a 3rd Engineer and would love to be a Cadet on an MSC Ro-Ro, I have classmates who sent photos from their ships where they had Abrams, and other military vehicles as cargo.
always wondered what the white V is on tanks nowadays. worked with an old tanker and he had no idea what it stood for. as usual always a pleasure Chieftan.
I figured it was a unit indicator or a symbol to denote friendly forces? I honestly don't know either to be honest.
I always thought it was a nice optics calibration mark for an enemy tanks to shoot at
@@709mash unit identifier on Israeli tanks. Don't remember if it's company or battalion, though.
On Desert Storm tanks, that's a "friendly force" identifier.
The white chevron direction indicates which company the tank belongs to: up, left, right, down = A, B, C, D company.
@@nightjarflying thanks 👍
Why am I having a deja Vu? Didn't he covered this before?
Yes you have seen it before. World of Tanks uploaded this video first about 7 months ago.
ua-cam.com/video/_KyNYO03g1E/v-deo.html
@Real Aiglon I think he means it was previously uploaded a year ago. I remember this episode from then.
We already saw this video, didn't we...???
Amazing you could basically fit a modified Panther gun into a Sherman ^^
The SA50 shares little with the KwK 43 besides being a high velocity 75mm gun
First it’s not a panther gun. Second you could put a 105 so 75 shouldn’t be a problem.
i like this series . its basically what i do now