im also a combat veteran. 1-64 AR BN 3rd ID, OIF IV-V 2007-2008. we need to stay out of foreign conflicts and affairs. we are as much to blame for starting that war as russia is. no one is reporting honestly about this war. stop promoting conflict that costs american lives, and american money. our infrastructure is rotting, the american people can barely afford food, and youre using your veteran status to market a proxy war. our veterans deserve better. they deserve to have people fighting for our country.
Nobody should be surprised at that point. The US Military couldn't identify a couple weather balloons and they somehow missed one with a ~400k missile. At least this time they managed to hit the target on the first try.
“Just be confident and never admit fault”. This is what that type of training leads to. NCOs truly believe nothing could ever be there fault. The higher up you go the worse it gets.
IFF.. I Forgot to Fix … your spot on about the manpower issue ..we worked 12 workdays 7 days a week for months on station in the Mediterranean.. so mistakes get made just out of exhaustion
My first thought was an IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) issue. If it cannot be identified through proper channels then the crew would be forced to take the option of protecting the ship over possible friendly fire. Not saying its what happened or what should happen but more likely the situation that happened here. Spoofing a GPS signal in open waters thats mpving in a very dynamic setting is very different beast than spoofing a drone that is flying over a fixed point tpwards very specific targets. Who knows until the USN talls us more.
I was in the Navy in early 80s when our ship shot a missile at a commercial airline. We were in war games looking for a practice drone to shoot at. An airline came up over the horizon inside the no-fly zone. The longest minute or two of my life was watching the missile on the radar sweeps until it destructed. We did not hit the plane, but it was said that the odds are great that the pilot would lose his license after he landed.
I worked in air defense. If an aircraft without a friendly signature is identified, it makes sense. What fails to make sense, is the idea that it wouldnt broadcast a friendly signature.
Did the IFF system fail? Thankfully everyone survived. Hopefully they get to the bottom of the failure and fix the issue. FWIW, these systems are automatic. I.e., you shouldnt be able to get the Aegis system to lock on a friendly aircraft without blowing through a lot of safeties.
Yes, there were supposedly incoming Houthi missiles and drones at the same time and the system got confused and the people manning it didnt do their job.. probably never know for sure exactly what happened
Good point. I would think that the frequency of the friend-or-foe system could be jammed by the Houthis, possibly contributing to this incident. But there should be safeguards beyond that.
@@monkemode8128 It's a widely reported on event mostly because it's a rare one, specially considering the size and involvement the US armed forces; unfortunate, yes but embarrassing is failing to stop a missile in a few seconds and losing a flagship to a country with no navy, then pretending it sunk because of bad weather. I'm French so confortable in asking the question "who overall and on that scale does it better? Or even comes close?"
In a super low intensity area, like the red sea, where there may be ballistic rockets, but no enemy fighter jets. Imagine what would happen near Taiwan with multiply friendly air forces and lots of Chinese aircraft and jamming.
Friendly fire is common in the military, has been that way since the beginning of it being a military. The Egyptians, ancient China, Greeks and Romans had friendly fire. The only difference nowadays is media coverage, and hysterics
It should be less common now with advanced system able to identify and categorize a plane. Not to mention using your common sense. When your adversary does not have any airforce to speak of then it's extremely unlikely that there's a hostile fighter suddenly gunning for US navy.
@@Raivo_K the Houthi are using attack drones which are basically remote control aircraft and so are cruise missiles. What do you think they have been attacking ships with?
@@Raivo_K Well you are not prior service I guess. Air to air missiles seek the target by either heat emission or radar cross section so the bigger the heat or radar source the better target. That is why we use flares and chaff. Flares burn hotter than a jets exhausts and chaff is is finely shredded aluminum foil that basically forms a large radar target. Those drones and cruise missiles are the size of small aircraft, not the things you play with in your back yard. Just to let you know I am a former USAF 46150 Munitions specialist who armed up RF-4C Phantoms.
My son tried to enlist in the Navy and was medically found unfit because he is partially blind in one eye. I can understand the Army but the navy. He cant be a cook? If he has to direct fire a machine gun and loses an eye on a Naval Vessel they have bigger problems.
@@jonjones1233 WOW! Thats some blatant disrespect towards veterans! And disgustingly t phobic, but I guess science and reality aint gonna cut it for you...
I lost an eye in the USAF and I cross trained into a job I could do and that was as a dietary cook in military hospitals. As to shooting, my shooting accuracy greatly increased.
A few things wrong with your assessment of what went wrong. Those F/A 18's operate in pairs from Navy carriers. They would have been monitored by E2C Hawkeye aircraft, and that data shared with all friendly ships in the area. They would have also been monitored from the Navy destroyer itself. Second, the sailors manning those systems, aren't fresh recruits out of basic training. Their schooling is pretty advanced before they even get to the ships. Once deployed, shifts aboard ship are pretty routine, so they wouldn't be overworked or undermanned. Lastly, the Red Sea, is not Ukraine. With all the redundancy mentioned above, it's extremely likely anyone could spoof the F/A 18's to make them look like they were something like a drone.
That last statement has universal truth & not only is applicable to any branch of military, but can be true in any corporate setting. Corporate culture.
"And just like that, the US Navy ended it's DEI promotional system for anti-aircraft positions." Seriously Navy, this is embarrassing and expensive; either get your act together, or retire and sign up for the Russian military.
Ah yes. Those houthi's with their state of the art F/A-18's harassing US navy vessels. I cannot fathom how an AA crew can look at data and clearly see it's a fighter plane and then proceed to shoot it down. Especially in an environment where you know your adversary does not have an airforce. It almost sounds like there was a blip on the radar and the AA crew decided it was a houthi drone. Surely US vessels have more detailed AA systems that show more than just a blip on the radar?
This is not the first time that something lime this has hapoened. Back in the 80s a US Navy F-14 took out an Air Force RF4C during an exercise. The front seater had some sort of mental break and launched an AIM 9 bringing down the aircraft. Both pilots ejected. The offending aviator was an admiral's son.
RE: "recruitment pipeline issue" comments at 6:50, would be worth it to reach out to Sam from the "what's going on with shipping" channel to learn more as the US navy isn't always forthcoming with its issues
One thing I have learned through all this is, these boo boos don't seem to make it in history books. Only the flawless heroic stuff. They should have made a book of war bloopers also.
Yeah , that's right , the Thirty Year Veteran Master Sergeant made the mistake here . Not the Lieutenant JG , six months out of Newport . Officers don't make mistakes........................
We learned 2 things. Our ships can clearly shoot down a state of the art plane. Also, that state of the art plane has the ability to safely eject its crew when compromised. Feel sorry for the person who gave the order to engage. Bad day at the office.
War reporting is so tricky,, if Paul reports every possibility he strays into conspiracy theory, or worse, propaganda. I am grateful for his style of analysis and his audience participation (like yours). Perhaps we will get more details from the pilots. There are a lot of weapon systems being tested right now, all over the globe, so it is worth keeping this story on our radar, even if we agree it is unlikely.
A little more complex than that. Wait for the investigation. Rules of engagement, pilot actions, equipment malfunction, just to name a few. The cruiser commanding officer was the AAWC and may have had a full plate of action at the time for all we know. Don't be surprised if the commanding officer of the cruiser gets relieved.
Arleigh Burke class Guided Missile Destroyers and Ticonderoga class Guided Missile Cruisers are the best seaborne air defense vessels in the world . Deconfliction can be an issue in an issue during an air and naval environment . I was an Operations Specialist on a DDG and a CG . We often stood too many hours on watch to the point of exhaustion . The mental fatigue on watchstanders on navy ships is very high .
Well, you don't really need an enemy if you're going to do the job yourself. Accidents happen, but the interactions between the ships' crews are likely to be a bit *tricky* during shore leave.
Overworked and under payed and low retention military personnel. Also many companies are quickly catching up to military benefits. I fear lawmakers are leaving us vulnerable by not taking care of our people.
Probably the CWIS left on auto track, when the plane took off, it just tracked and fired which is why both were able to eject safely. Wasnt a missile at all, otherwise they would have both been dead.
In the 90s Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal, at the time the 3rd largest in the planet, in exchange for protection from USA and UK. The reason? USA, UK and Russia all wanted a nuke- free zone between Russia and Europe. And Ukraine wanted to be sovereign and not hegemonised by Russia. It's all the other countries currently having to fund Ukraine that should complain, not the 2 countries whose leadership let Putin take Crimea in 2008 and then come back for the rest in 2022.
All US (and nato) planes have "friend or foe" electronic package (i used to work on them in the USAF on f15s). So, either the FF package was broke or the cruiser ignored it - bad news...
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An Iranian Shahed giron has a cruising speed of something like 130 miles an hour. An SA 18 hornet has the cruising speed of something like 400 to 500 miles an hour. How do you Mystic to two of them?
I don’t think there has yet been a case in the 21st century of US surface to air friendly fire. Not as big of a deal as it could’ve been considering the pilots are alright, still.
I thought all missile systems the US uses has an IFF ( identity friend or foe) system. I know that radar guided AA missiles like the AMRAAM have the IFF system.
They have form unfortunately, anyone remember them shooting down a passenger aircraft in the same region belonging to a friendly nation [think it was either Iran or Dubai, some time ago now when they were all friends with each other, again shot down by the US navy with the loss of all lives on board. From memory they claimed it was an F something-or-other fighter aircraft, it was all over the news at the time. I don't remember any form of very public apologies let alone any compensation to the families of those murdered passengers but my memory isn't necessarily accurate from that long ago, end of last century I think. Not sure how you can mistake a passenger aircraft for a fighter plane but they seem to have done just that unfortunately.
glad they made it out alive...i figure hard to i d on the rada,.if it is a drone or enemy craft...communication with allied or vessels in the area would of helped...they should of also known the fight path of friendly forces...better co ordination.and communications..100 push ups for the crew...dismissed...
It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation. This was a serious cluster f*ck, and thankfully the pilots survived, but this is a major incident resulting in the loss of expensive equipment. Heads are likely to roll as a result of this.
Its all the captain's fault, that's how this will work. Blame the captain , possibly the exec and the pilot. Admiralty and DoD are always perfect. We'll never know what REALLY went wrong because as I said, the navy will blame the usual scapegoats like they've always done. Sad.
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@@CombatVeteranReacts Doesn't the US government simp enough for Ukraine? They all ready lost
im also a combat veteran. 1-64 AR BN 3rd ID, OIF IV-V 2007-2008. we need to stay out of foreign conflicts and affairs. we are as much to blame for starting that war as russia is. no one is reporting honestly about this war. stop promoting conflict that costs american lives, and american money. our infrastructure is rotting, the american people can barely afford food, and youre using your veteran status to market a proxy war. our veterans deserve better. they deserve to have people fighting for our country.
@@CombatVeteranReacts Why throw good money at bad Army Combat Veteran?
@sawt1981 No, making sure investors can plunder and profit as much as possible from Ukraine is more important
What we have here, is failure to communicate
good film !
As someone who just got into the Navy this has never been more painfully accurate.
@Captain_Titus3867 It's shocking it should be routine and i'm sure it is but what happened? They had to know they had birds in the sky.
Could be a simple technical fault.
Margins are slim...
( Sweden )
@@MartinLundström-l4v some men, you just cant reach.
The US navy picked the wrong thing to learn from Russia...
LMAO NAHHHHHH💀
They can down a state of the art F-18, but they can not do anything about these cheap drones in New Jersey.
Nobody should be surprised at that point. The US Military couldn't identify a couple weather balloons and they somehow missed one with a ~400k missile. At least this time they managed to hit the target on the first try.
What is the right thing to learn? They lost a naval war to a country without a navy
@@Richard-jj9bj And what war would that be?
“Just be confident and never admit fault”. This is what that type of training leads to. NCOs truly believe nothing could ever be there fault. The higher up you go the worse it gets.
Yeah, well in this case. This was a software bug.
AEGIS doesn’t have a human in the loop.
@ Are you one of the officers or NCOs involved? 😂🤣😂🤣🤣
IFF.. I Forgot to Fix … your spot on about the manpower issue ..we worked 12 workdays 7 days a week for months on station in the Mediterranean.. so mistakes get made just out of exhaustion
My first thought was an IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) issue. If it cannot be identified through proper channels then the crew would be forced to take the option of protecting the ship over possible friendly fire. Not saying its what happened or what should happen but more likely the situation that happened here. Spoofing a GPS signal in open waters thats mpving in a very dynamic setting is very different beast than spoofing a drone that is flying over a fixed point tpwards very specific targets. Who knows until the USN talls us more.
It is all going to be a pre cooked story
@@blackrook268 those codes change daily or probably even more frequently.. many things can go wrong
I was in the Navy in early 80s when our ship shot a missile at a commercial airline. We were in war games looking for a practice drone to shoot at. An airline came up over the horizon inside the no-fly zone. The longest minute or two of my life was watching the missile on the radar sweeps until it destructed. We did not hit the plane, but it was said that the odds are great that the pilot would lose his license after he landed.
I worked in air defense. If an aircraft without a friendly signature is identified, it makes sense. What fails to make sense, is the idea that it wouldnt broadcast a friendly signature.
Equipment failure?
Embarrassing. Someone is getting relieved of their command.
I don't think we do that anymore.
No human error. Aegis don’t have a human in the loop.
Did the IFF system fail? Thankfully everyone survived. Hopefully they get to the bottom of the failure and fix the issue. FWIW, these systems are automatic. I.e., you shouldnt be able to get the Aegis system to lock on a friendly aircraft without blowing through a lot of safeties.
I think HLC hinted at that being this issue, although I may have misinterpreted the video he put out
The Ohio sailor was gay....
The navy will learn nothing
Do they have the wrong Tod codes? Time of day. IFF shit
Yes, there were supposedly incoming Houthi missiles and drones at the same time and the system got confused and the people manning it didnt do their job.. probably never know for sure exactly what happened
Good point. I would think that the frequency of the friend-or-foe system could be jammed by the Houthis, possibly contributing to this incident. But there should be safeguards beyond that.
That's a total embarrassment
Easy criticisme from a gaming armchair; In combat, friendly fire has always happened in every war.
@@cgourinI agree. It's still embarrassing.
@@monkemode8128 It's a widely reported on event mostly because it's a rare one, specially considering the size and involvement the US armed forces; unfortunate, yes but embarrassing is failing to stop a missile in a few seconds and losing a flagship to a country with no navy, then pretending it sunk because of bad weather. I'm French so confortable in asking the question "who overall and on that scale does it better? Or even comes close?"
@@cgourineh u not at war!NEWSFLASH
@@cgourin either are embarrassing. It's like farting in public. Just about everyone has done it at some point still embarrassing.
In a super low intensity area, like the red sea, where there may be ballistic rockets, but no enemy fighter jets.
Imagine what would happen near Taiwan with multiply friendly air forces and lots of Chinese aircraft and jamming.
It was a misinput! A misinput!
Friendly fire is common in the military, has been that way since the beginning of it being a military. The Egyptians, ancient China, Greeks and Romans had friendly fire. The only difference nowadays is media coverage, and hysterics
It should be less common now with advanced system able to identify and categorize a plane. Not to mention using your common sense. When your adversary does not have any airforce to speak of then it's extremely unlikely that there's a hostile fighter suddenly gunning for US navy.
“Hysterics”? Who’s being hysterical?
@@Raivo_K the Houthi are using attack drones which are basically remote control aircraft and so are cruise missiles. What do you think they have been attacking ships with?
@@sullyway51 So the US Navy's AD is so primitive that it cant discern between a fast and big fighter jet and a smaller, slower moving drone?
@@Raivo_K Well you are not prior service I guess. Air to air missiles seek the target by either heat emission or radar cross section so the bigger the heat or radar source the better target. That is why we use flares and chaff. Flares burn hotter than a jets exhausts and chaff is is finely shredded aluminum foil that basically forms a large radar target. Those drones and cruise missiles are the size of small aircraft, not the things you play with in your back yard. Just to let you know I am a former USAF 46150 Munitions specialist who armed up RF-4C Phantoms.
Another Captain looking for a new job😮
My son tried to enlist in the Navy and was medically found unfit because he is partially blind in one eye. I can understand the Army but the navy. He cant be a cook? If he has to direct fire a machine gun and loses an eye on a Naval Vessel they have bigger problems.
If he wanted for the government to make him a girl, he would be in.
@@jonjones1233 Trans people need to make standard too.
@@jonjones1233 WOW! Thats some blatant disrespect towards veterans! And disgustingly t phobic, but I guess science and reality aint gonna cut it for you...
I lost an eye in the USAF and I cross trained into a job I could do and that was as a dietary cook in military hospitals. As to shooting, my shooting accuracy greatly increased.
@@sullyway51 his waiver was not approved.
A few things wrong with your assessment of what went wrong. Those F/A 18's operate in pairs from Navy carriers. They would have been monitored by E2C Hawkeye aircraft, and that data shared with all friendly ships in the area. They would have also been monitored from the Navy destroyer itself.
Second, the sailors manning those systems, aren't fresh recruits out of basic training. Their schooling is pretty advanced before they even get to the ships. Once deployed, shifts aboard ship are pretty routine, so they wouldn't be overworked or undermanned.
Lastly, the Red Sea, is not Ukraine. With all the redundancy mentioned above, it's extremely likely anyone could spoof the F/A 18's to make them look like they were something like a drone.
So what went wrong then?
That last statement has universal truth & not only is applicable to any branch of military, but can be true in any corporate setting. Corporate culture.
"And just like that, the US Navy ended it's DEI promotional system for anti-aircraft positions." Seriously Navy, this is embarrassing and expensive; either get your act together, or retire and sign up for the Russian military.
Ah yes. Those houthi's with their state of the art F/A-18's harassing US navy vessels.
I cannot fathom how an AA crew can look at data and clearly see it's a fighter plane and then proceed to shoot it down.
Especially in an environment where you know your adversary does not have an airforce.
It almost sounds like there was a blip on the radar and the AA crew decided it was a houthi drone. Surely US vessels have more detailed AA systems that show more than just a blip on the radar?
This is not the first time that something lime this has hapoened. Back in the 80s a US Navy F-14 took out an Air Force RF4C during an exercise. The front seater had some sort of mental break and launched an AIM 9 bringing down the aircraft. Both pilots ejected. The offending aviator was an admiral's son.
Our military is so big that we’re able to fight ourselves now.
Shit happens when you play with guns and missiles.
Dude got runover by a TANK in the motor pool, during PEACETIME!
shit happens
When the swiss cheese model becomes a hotdog down a hallway.
sounds like the wrong people are in command sir
RE: "recruitment pipeline issue" comments at 6:50, would be worth it to reach out to Sam from the "what's going on with shipping" channel to learn more as the US navy isn't always forthcoming with its issues
Seconded
Sal, not Sam.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 yeah, autocorrect 😅
So we don’t shoot down suspect drones but are now shooting down our own planes. Checks out
Unless those Jersey Drones are our own planes.
Guess you haven't heard of ROE. (Rules of engagement) What is the threat in Jersey? How many casualties? Lmao😅
You mean suspect drones over your civilian city? People could be killed by falling debris. I'm not sure how you could justify that
At least no one was killed this time unlike the USS Vincennes incident.It seems that there's more lessons to be learned..
One thing I have learned through all this is, these boo boos don't seem to make it in history books. Only the flawless heroic stuff. They should have made a book of war bloopers also.
The US Navy's AA systems seem to work a lot better than Russian ones.
Still falling behind. Russian AA took down dozens of their own aircraft already. Hard to catch up.
@@5idito be fair, both Ukraine and Russia are equipped with the same Soviet aircraft types.
Measuring against a country that frog marches it's soldiers into death traps seems a low bar.
I just will never understand how they managed to do this within a empty battle space. At least they responded to a surprise but its like damn
Shot down his own teammate? That doesn’t sound friendly at all!
Yeah , that's right , the Thirty Year Veteran Master Sergeant made the mistake here . Not the Lieutenant JG , six months out of Newport . Officers don't make mistakes........................
As an aviation enthusiast ALOT has to go wrong for something like that to happen
We learned 2 things. Our ships can clearly shoot down a state of the art plane. Also, that state of the art plane has the ability to safely eject its crew when compromised.
Feel sorry for the person who gave the order to engage. Bad day at the office.
No matter how much you talk in circles you always end up where you started! This is a leadership failure not a systems failure.
There's a small chance the Houthis shot it down and this is deescaltion.
War reporting is so tricky,, if Paul reports every possibility he strays into conspiracy theory, or worse, propaganda. I am grateful for his style of analysis and his audience participation (like yours). Perhaps we will get more details from the pilots. There are a lot of weapon systems being tested right now, all over the globe, so it is worth keeping this story on our radar, even if we agree it is unlikely.
A little more complex than that. Wait for the investigation. Rules of engagement, pilot actions, equipment malfunction, just to name a few. The cruiser commanding officer was the AAWC and may have had a full plate of action at the time for all we know. Don't be surprised if the commanding officer of the cruiser gets relieved.
08:00 Old ancient GPS spoofing that was how the Iranians took out that stealth drone back in the day.
The rebels in Yemen said they did it. So there is another story out there.
At least this time they didn't take down another Iranian civilian airplane with 300 passengers.
Arleigh Burke class Guided Missile Destroyers and Ticonderoga class Guided Missile Cruisers are the best seaborne air defense vessels in the world . Deconfliction can be an issue in an issue during an air and naval environment . I was an Operations Specialist on a DDG and a CG . We often stood too many hours on watch to the point of exhaustion . The mental fatigue on watchstanders on navy ships is very high .
The F-18 fighter is single seater; a double seater is an E/A-18G an EW version.
How likely/common is it for the IFF to fail, either by just not responding or by broadcasting an incorrect signal?
Well, you don't really need an enemy if you're going to do the job yourself.
Accidents happen, but the interactions between the ships' crews are likely to be a bit *tricky* during shore leave.
Truman be having problems... its last deployment we had a plane get blown off the side by heavy winds... major morale issues
Pretty crazy that the csg that launched it shot it down..maybe it was a uap orb that we have all been seeing
No IFF? Fishy.
yeah, that was my first thought too, somethings off here...
They should have put bright flashing lights all over it. That makes aircraft invincible to all air defence
Oh no, who could have possibly seen this coming? 😮
Overworked and under payed and low retention military personnel. Also many companies are quickly catching up to military benefits. I fear lawmakers are leaving us vulnerable by not taking care of our people.
Probably the CWIS left on auto track, when the plane took off, it just tracked and fired which is why both were able to eject safely. Wasnt a missile at all, otherwise they would have both been dead.
2:57 more US funding!? 😡
In the 90s Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal, at the time the 3rd largest in the planet, in exchange for protection from USA and UK.
The reason? USA, UK and Russia all wanted a nuke- free zone between Russia and Europe. And Ukraine wanted to be sovereign and not hegemonised by Russia.
It's all the other countries currently having to fund Ukraine that should complain, not the 2 countries whose leadership let Putin take Crimea in 2008 and then come back for the rest in 2022.
What happens if it was a DEI hire that authorized the fire mission. Gee... that couldn't happen.
The Gettysburg Captain is finished . His career is over😂😂😂😂
All US (and nato) planes have "friend or foe" electronic package (i used to work on them in the USAF on f15s). So, either the FF package was broke or the cruiser ignored it - bad news...
Wow! 😲😲😲
Isn't IFF supposed to prevent this, or at least reduce it the possibility of friendly fire?
Unknown or uncommunicated IFF fail, a dash of loss of situational awareness of who is where when, and I see this happening quite understandably.
I thought you were going to say they need some strike gum!
Not Paul’s fault, but unless you’re able to give more than $25700 or some ridiculous number like that, there’s not an effective tax write off. Just want everyone aware of that. Please give! But you won’t be able to write off more than the standard deduction if you make less than $100000.
I hope that there will be a careful look at deconfliction procedures, and only a search for someone to punish.
"not only a search for someone to punish".
Wow had no idea so many people are involved. And equipment.
Merry Christmas!
An Iranian Shahed giron has a cruising speed of something like 130 miles an hour. An SA 18 hornet has the cruising speed of something like 400 to 500 miles an hour. How do you Mystic to two of them?
How many years after the invention of IFF devices did that happen? 85? 🙄
Dang!
Thx P
I don’t think there has yet been a case in the 21st century of US surface to air friendly fire. Not as big of a deal as it could’ve been considering the pilots are alright, still.
The real question Is will the navy put a kill mark on the side of the destroyer and is the ships captain going for fighter ace ?
I thought all missile systems the US uses has an IFF ( identity friend or foe) system. I know that radar guided AA missiles like the AMRAAM have the IFF system.
did they forget to turn off the IFF's Daylight savings time? =D
If the USN is short of personel, then they need to activate reservists. Including the IRR untill they have met their manpower needs.
Well, at least we know the defenses work. 😅
So, let's learn!
We have the best air defense :)
I really doubt that jet was shot down by a USN warship. IFF transponder was almost certainly operational if they had already completed their sortie.
It might be just be an IFF transponder failure . It happened to me Afghanistan.
They have form unfortunately, anyone remember them shooting down a passenger aircraft in the same region belonging to a friendly nation [think it was either Iran or Dubai, some time ago now when they were all friends with each other, again shot down by the US navy with the loss of all lives on board. From memory they claimed it was an F something-or-other fighter aircraft, it was all over the news at the time. I don't remember any form of very public apologies let alone any compensation to the families of those murdered passengers but my memory isn't necessarily accurate from that long ago, end of last century I think. Not sure how you can mistake a passenger aircraft for a fighter plane but they seem to have done just that unfortunately.
What happened to the pilot
Some Sailor is in for a real bad Christmas
Explain how they failed to ping IFF repeatedly before firing! Court Martials in the future.
A million and one excuses for these tools that probabley don't belong in the Navey in the first place.
I think the frindly or foe transponder had the worng code
Our tax dollars at work.😢
NAVY STOP MAKING US LOOK BAD LOL
I like that idea tho. Make everyone think twice before launching missiles at each other.
glad they made it out alive...i figure hard to i d on the rada,.if it is a drone or enemy craft...communication with allied or vessels in the area would of helped...they should of also known the fight path of friendly forces...better co ordination.and communications..100 push ups for the crew...dismissed...
Well the missle did work well at least
There should just be an electronic lock on advanced systems that prevents things like that.
Think maybe pilots forgot to turn IFF on
Operating too close to shore, minimal reaction time equals errors like this…..
And you say Russia is incompetent😂😂😂😂😂
Thats not true, it was the huthies
These things do happen. Has happened before. Could be worse, an aircraft carrier didn't collide with one of it's escorting destroyers. 🤷🤦
It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation. This was a serious cluster f*ck, and thankfully the pilots survived, but this is a major incident resulting in the loss of expensive equipment. Heads are likely to roll as a result of this.
Someone is getting fired….
Not sure what they thought they were shooting at? Did they think the jets were drones? Like clearly the houthis don't have jets.
Do you think the super hornet's iff transponder failed?
Its all the captain's fault, that's how this will work. Blame the captain , possibly the exec and the pilot. Admiralty and DoD are always perfect. We'll never know what REALLY went wrong because as I said, the navy will blame the usual scapegoats like they've always done. Sad.
Remember when the German Hessan shot down a MQ-9 on February 27th they need a better way to identify friendly.
Odds are it isn't them doing it to themselves...
What's an accident in the US becomes a pattern in Russia