Dissolution of Hungary : Treaty of Trianon
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0:27 I am going to go on a large side note here that I wanted to put in the video but realized it's just a waste of my breath as the people who it is target to wont listen to me anyways. So I put it here instead.
I would like to talk about the million comments a got from Hungarians saying that Hungary didn't want to be in the war and that they where forced into it by the Austrians, this way denouncing the Belgrade armistice and also somehow justifying their comments about how they should reverse Trianon. Anyways, this statement isn't really correct. Yes the Hungarian Prime minister Tisza was against the war and there where some in the Hungarian parliament who shared his views but saying Hungary didn't want the war due to these statements is like saying US didn't want to declare the war of 1812 just because some people in the congress voted against it. The fact remains AH couldn't have declared war if Hungary didn't approve it and despite Tisza initial disagreement they eventually did agree to the war with Tisza saying "It was with difficulty that I decided to advise war, but I am now convinced of its necessity." Plus many Hungarians even actively supported the war at the start like Stephan Burián von Rajecz this support can also be seen through the large enlistment enthusiasm of the Hungarians at the start of the war.
So Hungarians saying that "we didn't want to be in the war anyways" or "it's all fault of the Austrians they controlled us we had no say in it" is just wrong.
1:11 Communist Hungary did give autonomy to Ruthenia and the council in Uzhorod for that brief period reneged on trying to join Czechoslovakia and wanted to stay with Hungary but when Communist Hungary fell the council went back to trying to reunite with Czechoslovakia.
Even though one of the Rusyn councils meat up in Marmaroschsiget it actually was debating about whether the Rusyn populated lands north of the city it should join Czechoslovakia not the city itself, the city was just a meeting place as it had a Romanian majority not Rusyn. Therefore in the peace talks in Paris Marmaroschsiget was given to Romania while the Rusyn lands north of it to Czechoslovakia.
2:30 With no international help the Lemko Rusyn republic ceased to exist in early 1920.
Also if you want to see the distribution of Rusyn people in 1918 - www.britannica.com/topic/Rusyn-people
Although keep in mind the Rusyn population in the Austrian half of the Empire is more speculative as the Austrians categorized the Rusyns as Ukranians in their 1910 census.
3:35 There was a bunch of negotiation between the allies, Yugoslavia and Romania about how Banat will be divided and also French intervention forces where send into the area to arbitrate these talks and make sure no large scale fighting will happen.
4:02 Czechoslovakia didn't have to abide by the Belgrade armistice rules since it was never officially ratified, and so it decline to let coal shipments into Hungary.
4:14 Video of the Endre Ady funeral in Budapest.
4:33 Hungarians also reported a lot of border antagonizing by the Romanians and Czechoslovaks trying to instigate a border conflict.
5:19 Of course not all allied agreements where very specific other than supporting the formation/independence of the nations they agreed to be formed like Czechoslovakia. Therefore the Paris peace conference had to deal with the exact border lines, but there where plenty of backdoor deals before the peace conference within the allies about the new borders. It was definitely planned for Hungary to be divided and saying that Hungary could avoid it even though they lost the war is just factually wrong.
8:00 I show only Yugoslav, Czechoslovak and Romanian flags on the map but all these armies where also supported by allied soldiers and mainly generals.
8:05 The Hungarians launched the preemptive attack because they found out about the plans of the Romanians to enforce the new allied demarcation line by force despite the allies never agreeing on that with Romania.
9:49 The Hungarian army lost a battle in Zvolen between June 10-13th and was being pushed out of Slovakia, however, at the same time a letter was sent by the allied council in Paris known as the Clemenceau List. In the list the allies promised that the Romanians will withdraw from the Tisza line if the Hungarians withdrew from Czechoslovakia. Kun agreed to this the 16th and what remaining parts of Slovakia where occupied by Hungary where given back to Czechoslovakia. This sparked even more resignation and desertion from the army and more general hatred towards the Communist government who was giving up the land they just conquered. However, even more angering was the fact that after the Hungarian withdrawal and despite allied pressure the Romanians did not withdrew from the Tisza line which then sparked the last ditch offensive across the line by the Hungarians.
12:47 The area in northern Slovakia where it says it's disputed Polish population it's complicated. First the fact that there was a "Polish Majority" doesn't mean there where no Slovaks living there. Second the 1910 Hungarian census did not have Polish as a choice so many people in those areas opted to say "Slovak" being their native language as that was the closest language to what they spoke which was a Western Slavic dialect between Slovak and Polish. Whether this language was closer to Polish or Slovak is up to a linguistic debate and really doesn't matter because what matters is if the people thought of themselves as Polish or Slovak. Now many of these people may have never even really thought about it seeing themselves as just the subjects of the AH who lived on a border of a linguistic continuum so asking one of them at that time "what they are?" may have been very confusing to them. However, what is interesting is that in those areas in the 1921 and 1931 Polish censuses Slovak is stated to be only about 7% (in the 1921 census) so it seems like the people there did come to think of themselves as Polish if they didn't think of themselves as Polish already. Slovaks argue this is because of a post war migration of people from those areas to Czechoslovakia but this entire area is full of he said she said sources and quite frankly I believe the facts we do know seem to favor the Polish argument.
15:36 I added the [Soviet] part and [Romanian] part into this quote, hence the brackets, because when Clémenceau was talking about these strategic positions and the treaties he was also talking about Romania (after all the French were the main people who helped Romanians during the Romanian Hungarian war) and Soviet aggression and therefore the brackets just reflected what Clémenceau was talking about anyways in different areas of the speech.
17:36 Figures on the screen are taken from -
Berger, P., ‘Wealth, Poverty and Institutions in the Habsburg Empire’s Successor
States (1918-1929)’, From Empire to Republic, New Orleans, University of New Orleans Press, 2010.
-Polish and Romanian 1920 figures have a * next to them as during that time the countries where involved in a war and not all their new areas where fully consolidated.
18:11 and the Visegrad Group
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Thank you very much for your effort. Quite balanced, for Hungarian ;-)
@@PetrMoses I am not Hungarian ;)
@@MLaserHistory then even better. Such deep knowledge of history of puszta is amazing. :-)
Do a video like this for the ottoman empire
What is GK$ at 17:29?
I don't feel too good Mr Germany.
Germany: the treaty of Versailles sucks i lost so much land
Austria-Hungary: yall have land
Did Hungary not know that they could've removed the treaty of trianon in 210 days if they took a national focus like in hoi4
Btw love your videos
XD
If the allies didn't arrive in 15 days, Hungary was legally allowed to withdraw from the Trianon treaty.
World Tension was too high
Lol
It was the focus of Hungarian politics for 25 years. It did not work.
As a Hungarian, I can say that this is the best and the most objective video about Hungary between 1918 and 1920. No nationalism, no fury, only facts.
Thank you! 🇭🇺
You know what's this youtuber's nationality?
@@mountainjew1474 nope
@@csoki1998 He is Slovak.
@@mountainjew1474 Well, this information does not change my opinion :D
@@csoki1998 I certainly hope so.😀
The guy who gave the order to disband Hungary's (relatively large) army during the Károlyi government immediately moved to Yugoslavia lol
The idea was that if they disbanded the army instead of resisting, the peace deal would be more favorable. I'd say this mostly backfired as it made them helpless to prevent further claims.
@@secretname4190 Not really, they had military larger than the Czechs, Romanians, and Serbs combined, and host of veteran officers from Austria, Hungary. and Germany offering their support. Even with only the red army militia, which was much smaller and not as well trained or equipped, they still had a great deal of success against the Czechs until they pulled out at the request of the Entente, thanks to former Austrian officers. The French population was not keen on a balkan war, and the expeditionary force France had in the region was still not enough to give their side the numeric advantage.
This video doesn't know what happened. King of Romania was Ferdinand von Hohenzollern, who was a big land owner in the K.of Hungary, he was married to Marie von Saxe-Gotha, grand daughter of Victoria von Hanover queen of United Kingdom.
World War 1 was a war against the Habsburg by the other houses of the Holy Roman Empire. the Habsburgs were emperors of the Holy Roman Empire for hundreds of years, also kings in Spain and Portugal, Italy, Bohemia, Hungary, Croatia, lords of Netherlands, they even married their daughters on the throne of France - Marie Antoinette von Habsburg married her cousin Louis 16 on the throne of France, that's why the "French" Revolution of 1789.
The Habsburgs even got on the throne of England, when Philip 2 von Habsburg king of Spain married Mary I Tudor.
Dude wanted to mary Elizabeth 1 Tudor after Mary died, but Elizabeth went to guerrila war against the Habsburg, and you have the episode of the Spanish Armada sent by the Habsburg to invade England.
The Habsburg were filthy wealthy, they owned the Americas, the East Asia colonies like Pilipines and trading posts like Formosa and Macau.
He did a little trolling
What a dramatic chain of events! I am so grateful that you've shed light on this part of history -there was just so much happening within this short span of time, it's fascinating. Thank you so much for this detailed presentation, it must have been a lot of work.
ABANDON ALL HOPE YEE WHO VENTURE BEYOND THIS COMMENT!!
Wdym I can’t go past this comment?! This is the the 4th comment in the list!
This is like the second comment for me lmao
This is literally pinned by m. Laser and is the second comment, good luck reading the comment section.
One common expression in Hungary about the new borders at this time was _Nem nem soha_ = "No no never!"
True
Robzah Gypsies literally SEETHING
@Robzah bine tigan
@Thirbo One Hapsburg Queen that no one liked and no one listened to. Romanian education once again shows it's worth.
Cope bozgors
Had no idea how complicated Hungary's past was after WW1, wow.
Certainly a non-controversial topic... ;-)
I don't know what you're talking about. It happened a 100 years ago surely everyone is over it by now.
@@MLaserHistory *laughs in keyboard warrior*
M. Laser History this is one of, if not the biggest political talking point here in hungary
@@endreszentgyorgyi5270 That sounds very sad. You would think a modern country would have far more bigger problems to deal with than concerning itself with a 100 year old treaty.
But I understand Hungary isn't currently doing very well, politically speaking, to which I can sadly only present my condolences.
@@MLaserHistory Asi tak no. :D
all these maps make me miss the long floppy dong that was subcarpathian czechoslovakia
Yes it looked interesting, but Western and Central Slovaks are already mad at Eastern Slovaks and Rusyns for their Eastern Slav mentality.
I'm not saying everyone from there is crazy I know some normal ones, just mentioning that many people think so and that in Eastern Slovakia, average is worse.
@@argon3547 I wouldn't say mad. It's more like making fun of one another.
@@rudolfhajdu2708 It's true but not in all cases.
nah
@@argon3547 I am from North-Western Slovakia (Žilina here), but I just love Eastern Slovakia. Despite the fact I have no ancestors there, it is firmly in my heart as a dear part of my fatherland.
Much love to everyone in Europe from Romania. We are one big family and fights from hundreds of years ago shouldn't define our current relations :)
yess :)) big hug from Hungary
Agree! Cheers from Hungary! We need these people in youtube comment sections, who can forget the past and can live in peace together
until WW1 there was NO Romanian Hungarian conflict...
@Charizard X love and weed i guess
@@papapara2916 then take a look at 1848 if you think that
Its interesting you mention the railway connection in Satu-Mare (Szatmár) because my great great grandfather was the head of the railway station there. They wanted him to stay and continue running the station, but he moved to Budapest with his family in 1920 instead. He was ethnically Hungarian. They were distraught to have to leave their home. But that's just how it was.
Great video, very enjoyable to watch!
Hey, Hungarian isn't that hard to learn
Hungarian: 15:04
yep yep its a very easy languague ;)
@@10011110011 de itt senki sem így ír!! lol 😂😂
@C-L-k believe me if we would study a language like they did 3-400 years ago it would be easy to everyone but the stupied education system think we should study grammer instead of speaking a language lik a child.... (long story)
@C-L-k dont give up. just start texting with hungarian people first its easy. Texting is short and that way you will progress quickly and effortlessly and you will study only everday words no need to study colors and animals lol ;)
@C-L-k yes thats so cool. I hope it works out for you guys... never want all the knowledge right away. We in hungary studying are all language for a lifetime and thats the key for do just a little every day or every week because in time you will just realise you are better than a native ;)
When the council’s fate is chosen instead of them choosing your fate
Well now I understand why Hungars are pissed about trianon, I would probably be too. Thanks for the unbiased historical video! Great watch.
They obviously have reasons to be pissed. But they did it to themselves, apparently.
Well I would be too the national focus doesn't become available until 1936.
they started and lost a war. they have no reason to be pissed, they should be happy that they are. do you see germans being pissed after ww2 ?
@@gst9325 Germans didn't lose their two-thirds of territory which was theirs for about 1000 years. . .
@@gaming4K and who did ? oh I know, literally every nation and existing state on the planet. but you know what ? you're right, let's go back to 19th century.
That's pretty bad when you have -0.5% recruitable population and -50% military factory construction speed.
*Bring back Habsburg and Annex Austria and Czechoslovakia time*
@@theycallmeuslessness808 Austria wins and Germany anschlusses Austria and Hungary time
as a hungarian, thank you for these videos. i never had the opportunity to learn 20th century politics unbiased and with this much clarity! our history classes are seriously lacking, and now i am trying to fill in the gaps to understand current day politics better. i hope there is/will be a similar video about the 90s-00s parties because that is where information is either lacking or ideologically tampered with.
I see Austria-Hungary and I immediately like the video! -- Love from Croatia
omg not bad lol ;)
What is a view of an average Croatian on Austria-Hungary today?
@@DushanBauer The average Croat doesn't know much about that part of history. That's a shame. They know more about the first and second Yugoslavia and the hegemony Serbs tried to enforce. Let's just skip the Habsburg monarchy and Napoleon's brief control of some Croatian land. Croatia was split into 2 in AH. Dalmatia went to Austria and Croatia-Slavonia went to Hungary (Croatia has been in union with Hungary ever since the signing of Pacta conventa 1102). There were fierce attempts of magyarisation and germanisation. Khuen Hedervary made it almost impossible for someone to succeed if they didn't speak Hungarian in Croatian institution. Seems normal right? Not to mention the way the Hungarians modified the Croatian Hungarian settlement after it was signed by both parties (they added another section to it). There's much more than this. I don't know why I even bothered mentioning this. Nonetheless, I, as a Croat from Slavonia, would say that sticking with Hungarians for hundreds of years was at least beneficial in one way. Croatia would have been absorbed by god knows who otherwise. Trialist or a federative AH wouldn't have led to its collapse. Yes, there are numerous ethnicities but higher levels of autonomy were needed. You can't have two nations which are total overlords all the time. I'd choose to stick with anyone but Serbs, those lying bastards. As you can see, this is really biased but oh well
@@misobarisic4013 Well said.
Me Hungarian and half of my family is Croatian. Been to Croatia twice , beautiful country
Do about Bulgaria and the treaty of Nuelly
Yes please
*Neuilly
Never heard of it. It would be nice to learn about it.
You put out really great informative videos, I before didn’t really know much about what happened to the Austro-Hungarian empire, keep making these great videos.
Eastern Europe is a region with many ethnical problems and complicated history, but it has amazing cultures and languages. I hope that the situation improves because the region can have great potential. Eastern Europe has natural resources, amazing cultures and has also made contributions to science and the world. Greetings from Concepción, Chile.
An admieal qith no fleet in a kingdom with no king.
Kinda like Kolchak.
An Admiral in the country with no coastline, a kingdom without a king, and in another war, allied with their archenemy
This channel is so full of interesting pieces of history that I never considered learning about, but honestly I'm here for it. Have a new subscriber, and keep up the good work
This could be the first high quality non-biased video about Trianon!
yess i feel the same :))
@@eumeswil5672 Well, it is certainly less biased than anything hungarian news sources put out haha
@@WombatSteve luckily your country didnt do that ;)
@@WombatSteve check out the collapse of Austria-Hungary documentary on the wayback history channel. It covers and maps this same time frame and is also objective
Thank you for creating a well researched, objective video on the topic.
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I am sorry for you Hungary 😥
Support from Bulgaria 🇧🇬🇭🇺💪
We were allies in all wars.
You mean from Turkey, dont you?
Thank u. Once we will revenge :)
alex21 Thank you! Love from Hungary. Yes, we are.🙏🏼💪🏼God will restore what has been lost and broken.🙌🏼🙏🏼❤️🕊I love visiting your beautiful country, Borovets Hills my favourite.🙏🏼💚 God bless you and your beautiful country.🙏🏼🙌🏼😇
yah! celebrate being fascists in WW2!
@@herfkdkkdldjjd5315 Adev.
I'm here, popcorn in hand, waiting for the comment wars
@Charizard X lol dont be rude please :D
12:37 is that a painting of a nuclear mushroom cloud in the background
Idk it kinda looks like that. The French were ahead of their time
3:22 B A N A T
Khm Khm... Bánság
Great work as always. Keep it up
It gave hungary a good reason to fight back in 1940
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Happiest*
@@alexfilisanu5462 saddest*
@@milandobai1123Happiest*
@@AlexeiLjanej no my friend the saddest
Thank you for staying unbiased and objective. Would you also make videos about the Treaty of Versailles and Lausanne?
I love these videos, keep up the great work!
This was a really good series. Im proud to see that even after soo much bad things happen in the past 200 years we can still live together in harmony and text to the EU as you said maybe the next economical boom will happen here because once this was a big but not equel empire, i hope it will be big again with the EU and equel this time :)) thanks for everything. Love and support from Hungary ;)
"Mr Habsburg, I don't feel so good"
Hi! Great video overall, but you missed a pretty huge detail. At 9:50 you mention that the Kun government was pushed out of Slovakia. This is not exactly true. After the advances in Slovakia the Allied leaders sent an ultimatum to Kun (Clemencau jegyzék- did not find in English). Kun was supposed to pull out of Slovakia, and in exchange Romania would be ordered to abandon the Tiszántúl and pull back to the last demarcation line. Kun agreed and pulled back Hungarian forces, which infuriated the populace and prominent members of the military leadership (it lead to the resignation of Stromfeld Aurél). However, the Romanian troops did not evict the occupied lands.
To be fare the letter was accepted June 16th when the Hungarian troops where already being pushed out of Slovakia after their defeat at Zvolen June 10-13th but yes I should have mentioned the letter as it technically was the official ceasefire treaty between Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
I'll add it to the pinned comment.
Thank you. The other than this, the video (and the other videos concerning this topic) was very very educational, objective, and really interesting, you really did a great job making them!
@@ShiningForce07 Zólyom
This was very accurate thank you for the vid, from Hungary 🇭🇺
Very Informative. Excellent presentation and the best yet. Good Job.
Great video, keep up the good work!
Great video as always.
Greetings from Zemplín
Zemplén.
I'm taking a class on Austria Hungary right now at a fairly prestigious university and I have to say I think I've gotten more valuable information out of your series of videos than the class I'm paying thousands of dollars for. Really impressive stuff, thanks a lot.
Ive been watching you before 1k subs glad youre getting the attention you deserve
The saddest thing about treaty of Trianon is the still living hate among the countrys that benefited or lost from it. Central and east europe would be so much better if we would not hate each other.
I think that its just temporary nostalgia with the 100 years of trianon thing. Generally central european countries have very good relations. At least on political level. There is mostly shared sentiment about what they want, industries are pretty similar. I come from central-south Slovakia, there are mostly mixed populations of slovaks and hungarians and I dont see this hatred at all. I never had a problem where people would hate on each other based on ethnicity, its very common to hear hungarian or slovak there, so idk. Most haters are people that never met hungarians mostly from north. And there isnt even that much of them. Last elections we even had a hungarian party in power. Im Slovak, who lives in czechia and works with polish. Idk maybe im just blind but I feel that this hate is just in some small groups that never met each other
@@Kubqo95 Isn't Slovakia the one country that disallows dual citizenship and enacted language-restricting laws in 2009 just to give a middle finger to their Hungarian population?
@@19Szabolcs91 2009 is 12 years ago. But basically what happened was that hungary enacted law allowing foreign citizens to get hungarian citizenship based just on their heritage. Slovak government reacted with changing its law so people accepting foreign citizenship would lose Slovak citizenship. ironically enough there was just bare minimum of slovak hungarians that lost citizenship, most of them were people living in austria, czechia and germany. I mean it was pretty stupid on both sides, but what can you do. From what I know, currently V4 has best relations it ever had, at least it was the case before pandemic, we will see how things change after this
@@Kubqo95 Hopefully sooner or later Hungary, Slovakia, Romania etc. will bury the metaphorical hatchet and will make peace like Germany and France did after hundreds of years of wars. The communist years weren't exactly good to help ease these old grievances.
@@ShiningForce07 Why should you, hungarian is not an official language in Slovakia. Benes decrees are a thing of a past that and they should stay there. Getting rid of them would be very complicated if not impossible. Slovakia overall treats hungarian population much better than hungary treats slovak population, if there is any. Most of it assimilated and therefore disappeared in past 100 years. All of these are just pointless issues that dont manifest in real world. We can talk back and forth all day about these talking points, but what im talking about is that in real world this doesnt exist, its all just dick measuring contest. People like Orban are just populist dipshits that have no idea what is life of average slovak hungarian like, treat their own population at home like shit. They need these imaginary turmoils, so they can appear like these national saviors. Same like Putin. It has nothing to do with real world
The EU isn’t a country, the very loosest definition of which I’d say is a confederation, the EU is a step removed from that, a multinational union, but other than that good video.
CommandoDude yeah it should never and will never be a country the EU is already souring enough people as it is lol. And the passport area works perfectly, they shouldn’t mess with it too much, at least on the continent. It’s preserved democracy in counties like Greece and Spain that would have fallen to dictatorship over the past decade without funding from the EU. Still it’s not perfect, for example it inadvertently props up a dictatorship in Montenegro and arguably Poland and Hungary.
Just 2 details: 1) there was no Yugoslavia Army in 1919, only Serbian Army (I think not even the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes was created at that time); 2) Horthy's troops were armed by the Romanian army (at that point, he has a way better choice than the communists).
A small addition: the western entente didnt care about habsburg restoration, the checz, serbian and polish goverment were the ones who threatened with an another war if karl returned to the throne
I would love to see a video about the govermental structur of Austria-Hungary, especially about cisleithanien
The Hutsuls did make a cameo!
Yeah eventually they did drop by.
Lloyd George, Prime Minister of the U.K., in his speech on the 7th of October, 1929 said about Treaty of Trianon: “The whole documentation that we received from our allies at the peace talk, was deceitful and untrue. We came to a decision on false principles”.🖤🌷
Yeah, no central European country presented accurate information. Every country skewed what ever data they could in their favor. However, the allied negotiators knew this. They were aware while drafting the peace treaties that the data they were working with wasn't accurate but they didn't really care because what was more important to them was the political reasoning behind certain decisions rather than creating cultural or ethnically sound boundaries.
the one thing hungary got after this was the shape of a nugget
before it, it was the same but a bigger nugget ;) we are hungry hungarians :D
it's a weiner snitzel, our national sandwich filling.
The modern Hungary for me looks like a potato XD
@@ferenc.gonczol How dare you use that pun against your own kind!
@@hungarian_vizsla5796 what are you talking about? lol
This was one of the many results of ottoman conquest...
Not just that, but the Austrian as well. Two large, multiethnic empires had dominated these territories for a long time: the kind of porous borders between cultures that results can be incredible for the empire, but backfires as soon as nationalist ethnostates enter the picture
@@_swampfirefae1087 you really have no idea about history if you say that.
@@blindtherapper2470 they're literally saying the truth buddy
Thank you for teaching me a new use for _Umgangsprache_ at 13:10. I always translated it as 'slang' with a slight pejorative inflection. After looking it up, I see that it is more like _Alltagsprache_.
For the map ca. 13:50, does it always show the majority language, or in some cases is it the pluarlity (that is, the largest group, even though no group holds a majority)?
The map shows a plurality.
@@MLaserHistory Thank you!
I love your high quality videos, I wish I could be able to support your patreon!
It's ok, I don't want people feeling guilty if they can't support me on Patreon, just the fact that you're watching my videos on UA-cam is plenty of support, thank you.
@@MLaserHistory you are amazing man.
@@cynicalskeptic Sorry just Patreon.
Great video, like others said it before it's perfectly neutral, detailed and very informative.
I'm pretty sure many of the inconvenient details are not taught in different countries and this video gives a wider perspective. As a Hungarian I learned a lot from this. It's still not a pleasent subject but there's no point of hating anybody because of it.
Also it's nice to see that the comments here are very respectful to each other, that's the way guys!
Very well said Čaba :)
I've seen other videos on the subject, and can say that the discussions in the comment sections were way less civil, comment chains lasting 2 years consisting of nationalists arguing with each other. and someone always has to bring up the Chronica Hungarorum
It is not unfair 5:15 blame Karolyi. August von Mackensen was still here in Hungary with his army and offered the Hungarians that if they wanted, he could repulse the Romanian attack and help them. Karolyi arrested him because he wanted to please the Entente. Furthermore, he completely disarmed the army returning home from the front. There was a small group who had been serving on the hard front for years. They were able to recapture territories from Austria in the face of overwhelming force. Bélás Kun's Slovakian campaign also showed that the Czechoslovaks were not that strong. Hungary still had military potential. she would have lost territory in all kinds of ways, but she could have fought a much better position for himself. But because of Károlyi, the country was literally defenseless. Neighbours did what they wanted with her.
*M. Laser History* 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
Will you make videos on the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and the treaty of sevres? Since both Austria Hungary and the Ottoman Empire were dissolved after ww1.
As a Czechoslovakian (yes i will say it like that) i enjoyed every second of this
@@gaborjuhasz5610 i literally wrote it correct and than you spell it wrong and laughs at it.
@@gaborjuhasz5610 and if we ignore that you spelled it wrong, I was refenencing that peoples in first Czechoslovakian republic were identifying like Czechoslovakian insted of Czech and Slovak. That was made mainly because there were more Germans in Czechoslovakia than Slovaks, so in official statistic they were saying that Slovakians are distant branch of czechs.
^great vid extremely informative
It's interesting how you mentioned several points that are supposedly debated even today, like the accuracy of the census, or how much Karolyi could be blamed. I'm happy to report that these extreme ideas didn't make their way into Hungarian education, and I'd be surprised if anyone even heard about them.
15:40 Uh, it didn't really work out that way, Mr. Clemenseau.
It actually may have if the allies didn't implement an appeasement policy and actually trusted/supported the nations they created in the aftermath of WW1.
Now I am not saying it would have definitely worked out it may have not but there definitely was a chance as Czechoslovakia and Poland where far from being pushovers if given the allied support they needed.
7:10 look at them folks chilling on that fence lol
Touchy topic
What about you all skip the video to 18:06 before commenting?
You might as well change your view of the world with this.
I wasn’t aware of how bitter the Hungarians were until I went to Budapest. It’s massive over there even after all these years.
Mr Östereich... I don’t feel so good
So many Hungarians want old Hungary back, but we all know it wouldn't happen, because
1: No one would accept it
2: If they somehow accept it, it will be a disaster, because there are too many not Hungarians. Just look at the map (12:46)!
And if someone recreated that map today it will have even lesser red, 'cause of luckily young generations don't take other nations as some kind of trash human, so many people marry Hungarian and their children usually identify themselvs as nationality of theyr country, which is nice considering what might happen if everyone hated the other nation, something like in USA might happen.
@@therealignotus7549 I'm not saying it is done I'm saying it's smaller.
@@therealignotus7549 Yes there are some more major reasons I just didn't want to start comment war.
I think this is not important who live in this territory! This is Hugarian historical lands! I would accept this as Pole!
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth I know but - I think that independent Croatia and Slovakia is good idea - but Romanians have their country so Transylvania should be Hungarian.
And I dont know why Austria got this small part of Hungary? Have this some historical reason?
Hey dude, are you going to make a similar ethnic map about Hungary as you did for Austria? I thought it was a very cool map
I thought about it but I just didn't have the time, and with my next video scheduled to be released mid August I sadly don't think I will have the time to make it now.
@@MLaserHistory Alright, that's totally understandable, I don't know what it's like to be a youtuber but priorities are universal. Take your time on the video and thank you for the response, even if the map never comes out I'll still be a happy camper. Great video by the way! I enjoyed the series thoroughly!
@@MLaserHistory Hi, just want to tell you that the map at 14:07 is awesome. I have never seen it before and i think it is very educational. As a hungarian i was always intreagued to know what was really our majority that time and this map shows a lot by showing not just majorities but minorities as well. Thanks!
Carpathian Ruthenia was in Austro-Hungary - then ended up in Czechoslovakia under Trianon- was then annexed by Hungary in 1938/39 which took advantage of the breakup of Czechoslovakia imposed by Nazi Germany- and is today part of Ukraine
Austria-Hungary -> Czechoslovakia -> Hungary -> Soviet Union -> Ukraine
All in 73 years. There were people who whithnessed their home state change hands 5 times and lived in 5 different countries while not moving an inch.
@@content1006 That was the joke of the person who was born in Munkacs and lived in 5 countries but never travelled
@@wilhelmu Poland made a grab for Teschen following the breakup of Czechoslovakia after Munich
@@historicrecord And poland forgot to give back to Slovakia Jablunkov county and Upper Spiš (Horny spiš) county...till today
@@wilhelmu And poland forgot to give back to Slovakia Jablunkov county and Upper Spiš (Horny spiš) county...till today and what?
And in 1962 polish closed all schools in these teritories and force students and people to speak polish. Polish you are similar nationalist like hungarians, no so much different.
You should have put a chat box saying for the presentation photo of vanishimg great hungary "I don't feel good..."
I feel sorry for the russins , they have democratically decided which country they wanted to be part of , but were denied that freedom , now they are still part of Ukraine .
Máté Vörös just like it doesn’t acknowledge Hungarians living in Transcarpathia, it’s a shit government they have
About half of them (including me) are living in today Slovakia
A lot of them living in Croatia and Serbia.
But throughout history they lost their indentity here.
Mr. Austria I don't feel so good.
18:05 excellent closing point
M. Laser could u make a video about how Slovakia invaded Poland in 1939 together with Nazi germany. If you are a believer in that countries histories should be taught without favoritism,then please make this video about ur country.
Very good vid
Before you start any comment war, I would like to tell you something.
We shouldn't remember the Kingdom of Hungary as a state that oppressed their minorities (which was happening last 100-150 years). Before these nationalistic things we lived more or less peacefully without any tensions. Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks, Croats, Slovins, Rusyns, Germans, Jews... Kings that have ruled over this Kingdom, were kings of all of these nations. We fought in every single war together. When the Mongols have come, we have fought against Mongols.
What I'm trying to say is, that we lived more or less peacefully for 800 years. We can't despise the Kingdom of Hungary just because the last 100 years were harsh. All in all, we can't do nothing about it. Nobody who did these things, towards minorities or later towards hungarians is not living now. The only reasonable thing we can do is looking at it as a historical fact. We are living in 21th century. We are modern nations in modern Europe. We should act like that.
"History is a science. Not a tool."
Well... tehnically the Romanians were still tye most unprivillaged since we were Orthodox and after the Middle Ages the Hungarians didn't really enjoy this about us but I appreciate what you're tryinna do.
That is a very mature point of view. If only the internet took note of maturity.
while i appreciate your sentiment, you must remember, the last years of the kingdom were the deciding factors, the people who live today on those lands are people who are more connected and closer to the ones who were oppressed, telling them to "forgive the oppressors because their distant ancestors were not oppressed and lived peaceful" is a bit insulting.
the reason people in modern day europe should cooperate is not because 500 years ago they did, it's because today they are much more knowledgeable and open minded, today they should know that looking at the past for any inspiration is a very slippery road that should be threaded lightly.
@@andreipop5805 The Hungarian Royals (before they died out and were replaced by Germans) have intermarried with the Byzantine Emperors family multiple times and treated the Orthodox church equally to the Roman Catholic one. Béla the 3rd even founded the Hungarian Cross as a national symbol, as a sign of respect towards the Byzantine (who's Emperor married the Kings daughter).
There are still multiple Orthodox churches around the country and multiple in Budapest (including a Russian Orthodox Cathedral in the city centre.)
You might also add that modern common-folk shouldn't be despised over actions of nobles with the same ethnicity centuries ago. Most Hungarians probably aren't descended from the beneficiaries of whatever oppression took place, and the spoils have gone elsewhere since anyways.
Musím pochváliť angličtinu. Z kadiaľ ju tak dobre ovládaš?
As a Romanian, can we all just calm down and get along? This beef doesn't benefit any of us.
@@ulanten892 >"90% of Moldova is Russian and Ukrainian"
Open a book
@@ulanten892 When we say Basarabia, we talk about Republic of Moldova.
Reclaiming North Bucovina and Buceag is unrealistic and nobody is actively trying to do it.
You called the European Union a country OOF
yes friend, a european federation will not destroy the continent... (Ironic)
can i use this information in my college article? :l
When there is no comment war, just people joking or discussing culturally:
*Perfection*
*"Austria I don't feel so good"*
I've specifically clicked on this video for the age old discussion of Translyvania. Yet I was surprised how many people took to being sensible human beings. I used to be one of those people who would just scream at any mention of Hungary being shown in any good light. But as the years went on, I realized how fucking stupid this thought is . It's the simplest way to anger yourself over a stupid problem that only old people care about anymore. Nowadays, it's mostly twelvies who only play grand strategy games in their mother's basement that go to fight comment wars over who rightfully owns Translyvania. I'm glad most people here realize that this anger and blind hatred helps no one.
It's kinda hard for me, bc I have many family members who originated from there... I'm a relative of Károly Kós, a famous architect, and I'm still a little mad that the land he grew up as a Hungarian is now not ours. I never did and never will send hate just because Trianon, but it still feels like shit, and many people can't get over it.
@@hungarian_vizsla5796 Your unhappiness is balanced by Romanian happiness so it checks out.
@@skepticmonkey6923 thanks :(
We can't change history, we can just accept it.
@Romania #1
More like a first step to a new victory
Turkish War of Independence and Dissolution of Ottoman Empire next?
After watching the video about early history of Hungarians, I was sure that the dissolution of Hungary topic will be brilliant, too! It is very detailed and all effort was put into it by the author. The approach is perfectly neutral so either Hungarians or any other nations involved can learn from it.
I remember how much we, Hungarian kids, hated Karolyi when we were teenagers! :D Now as a grown up, it is not as straightforward. Probably because grown up people have been in similar situation when decision with no choice needs to be made.
Summarizing, Trianon was horrible but it was a fact...and it was coming whatever we played around it! It caused final damages in Hungary but there is one much more dangerous weapon against Hungarians: the "Trianon Syndrome"! It is an illness of believing no life to be continued after Trianon. It keeps the Hungarians in sorrow and apathy. WAKE UP! Open your eyes and realize the lethal mental weapon made against us (not from the surrounded countries)! Stand by brotherhood with Slovaks, Croatians, Slovenians, Serbians and Romanians. This has so much benefit what we never ever could have got from a larger Hungary with further conflicts as we Hungarians have the feature of living anywhere successfully.....but just with open heart!
I have to say thanks for mentioning the Ruthenians! Not many historicists bother about them! Respect for that!
Greet from Budapest!
The "Trianon Syndrome" would have long disappeared if there wasn't things keeping it aflame. Brotherhood requires mutual respect reflected in actions, like fair and respectful treatment of hungarian minorities, which often doesn't happen even to this day.
@@raktor1996 Hi David! I cannot debate what you mentioned! The flame could have gone much earlier if the 'members' contribute more! Thanks for your great comment!
@@raktor1996 debatable, you are wrong
Wow! Your initial comments about Ruthenia may explain something my Grandmother (from Markusovce, Slovakia) had to say about "Rushens" - now I think she (her family was Polish in origin) may have meant the Rusyns.
Could the Austro-Hungarian Empire have been saved or was to rotten to the core to be kept from falling apart?
I think the empire could have been saved. If there was no war, they could assimilate minorities and Hungary could be almost 100% Hungarian again and Austria (and a lots of other territories) almost 100% Austrian, resulting in stabilizing the empire and it could improve a lot of things because with all those minorities, Hungarians and Austrians couldn't communicate very well, literally they couldn't cooperate but in case if assimilation this could be improved and it could be waaaaaay better, and more cooperation in the army, because it could be terrible to issue an order in 5 languages at least. So this could be a good, or at least better solution rather than fighting a great war and also more minor wars, and mostly Hungary lost even more land, and a lots of Hungarians were assimilated, killed, restrictions on Hungarians (and also other minorities) were issued (you couldn't even have a Hungarian flag in Romania, or a map of Greater Hungary, or write a poem, or anything, because you could get in the prison very easily, not only in the years of 1918-1920 but even earlier, like in 1848 when Hungarian minorities (mostly croats, serbs, romanians) helped the Austrians while killing a bunch of Hungarians. So yes, it could be saved in my opinion.
Me and all my Romanian homies love Trianon!
In my opinion, Horthy made the borders pretty fair under his regime, now those borders were the "real" justice for everyone!
It took the damn nazis to draw a fair border which would have solved the problem once and for all, ending the hate. The greeks and the turks could exchange population, the same thing must have been done with Hungary and Romania.
@@feha6580 true. Though there were more tham 1 million Romanians in Northerm Transylvania and barely any Hungarian left in the Southern part so it would have been an interesing population switch since about 1 million Romanians would have had no land givem to them while there would have been a lot of sparce land in Hungary.
I know you guys are trying to help but the problem really is THAT complecated.
@@feha6580 That is some major bullshit. Greece and Turkey didn't just exchange populations. The Ottomans were genociding Greeks and Greeks Turks for many years before the war and so hundreds of thousends of people died. The exchange removed 2 million of people frome their homes, the land they had lived in for generations and threw them in a foreign land. Displaced Greeks and Turks suffered violence and discrimination in Greece and Turkey and to this day their descendents are poorer than netives. Population exchange is a terrible thing that never solves anything and should never happen.
Yeah... Real fair for the Rusyns who didn't want to join Hungary and yet they found themselves in Hungary. I would not call that fair ethnic borders...
@eboy principality of transylvania? 3 nation like Switzerland....
We all are soldiers of Miklos Horty (:
The borders of USSR are kinda off but its still not bad
ok but like why does so many states want to join Czechoslovakia?!
Inherited roughly 75% of the old empires industrial capacity and also was by far the most democratic post AH country in the region. It is far easier for a minority to gain personal liberty in a democracy than in another system.
@@MLaserHistory ah, ok. thanks for telling me.
Could you please share a link for the map shown at 14:06?
Wait the Eu works? Since when?
What a nice ending note for such a sad trilogy of videos. Great work! 🇪🇺
4:01 Hungary if Quentin Tarantino decided the borders
AH after Caporetto: "Told you you'd pay Italy"
Italy: "You...should have gone..for the head" *SNAP*