@@BlakeHardemanI mean I imagine we will lose to you and/or the cowboys for everyone to call us frauds when we’ll still make the nfc championship at least
The fact that they never even bothered to look for insurances after the Rodgers injury week1 is easily the most damning and baffling thing about this whole scenario. They saw what the previous year of Wilson was like, to not go out and at least tryout other guys is just sheer managerial incompetence of epic proportions. Rodgers returning early is also ridiculously risky from multiple fronts and it doesn't take a Doctor to make that deduction. He could easily reinjure it and potentially ruin his chances at next season. Idk how much Rodgers is "GM"ing or w/e behind the scenes, dude just seems like he is trying to do what he can to help this dumpster fire. Can't help but feel bad for Jets fans tho.
The team clearly believes (or at least believed at the time) there was hope for Wilson. I don't know if it's just that he performs much better in practice or if they still bought into his "potential" but yeah - the fact they didn't even seem to bother to look is perhaps the worst part of this situation.
@@Mark-oq9fl I'm not saying that management hasn't been bad. Just that Rodgers has influenced management and the choices he picked have been detrimental to the team.
@@fleetadmiralj I mean having a backup QB like Tim Boyle is also bonkers, like they could've had a better backup QB even before the season started. Granted yeah like not going for Doubs who only cost a 6th. Even with this recent loss he seems to have more potential than Wilson and especially Boyle. I'm not sure how much management listens to the coaches or how much input Saleh has for offense, but it's definitely a mess and they're worse than last year.
I have to agree with Tom; the Jets' refusal to do *anything* despite Rodgers getting knocked out for the season Week 1 (with an injury that could potentially hurt him for any future seasons if he doesn't outright retire, no less) is infuriating and makes no sense. Wilson is very clearly not a viable starter at QB; that was obvious last year (it's why they jumped at the chance to get Rodgers in the first place). Yet they stubbornly refused to explore other options (remember "he's who gives us the best chance to win"?); they didn't even try to see what they had with Boyle (which, it turned out, was "nothing") until after the trade deadline when it was too late to scramble and try to find anyone else. What was their plan? Wager the entire season on Wilson magically turning his career around? Guess what, it didn't happen, so they have nothing. Another lost season to throw onto the pile, thanks to offensive ineptitude that they didn't even *try* to fix once Rodgers went down. If I were a Jets fan, I'd want the entire front office fired. This is gross incompetence and negligence. Sure, losing Rodgers was always going to be a hell of a blow, but AT LEAST TRY TO WORK AROUND IT GODDAMNIT.
Wilson isn't a viable starter for the Jets. They have no way to develop QBs I mean just look at Russell Wilson this year compared to last year and now Zach Wilson, who has the tools to be a good QB, is looking worse as they limit the playbook as much as possible.
My gut instinct is to fire the front office, but I think part of it is worse than that. We've gone through front office after front office and things never change. That strongly suggests the root of the problem lies in the one person the team can't get rid of
They are the LOL JETS for a reason; they had no plan B after going all in with Rodgers. Besides the fact that did not trade/draft/sign a reputable backup, the bigger personnel malpractice was the idea in the first place that the Jets would put their 40-year old, $100 million quarterback behind such a patchwork offensive line. The idea that they have so little depth in pass protecting what they were hedging their entire Super Bowl chances on is so right up the alley of the Woody Johnson-Era Jets.
Such a horrifically dumb opinion. He had like 4 seconds to throw and was brought down in the most mild way possible. He is 40 years old and has had injuries almost every year since 2013. His calf strain in the offseason may have even been a sign that his legs were showing wear and tear. If Sam Howell got hurt, you can blame the OL a bit because he has been sacked 55 times. Rodgers didn't even make it through 1 sack. Go rewatch the play without any slo-mo and tell me he didn't have time to find a WR or throw it away. 2013: Broken collarbone 2014 and 2016: Calf tear and calf strain 2017: Broken collarbone again 2018: Knee and concussion 2021: Broken toe 2022: Broken thumb 2023: Calf strain, torn achiles. So in 11 seasons, he has had4 broken bones, 3 tears, and a strained muscle or 2. Plus a concussion
Remember when Jets fans insisted they had leverage in the trade? That Packers should settle for an R3? Everything since then has been a rewind/play stupid tape
The Jets offense is so bad because #1 Rodgers achilles, #2 All their back up QBs are really bad, #3 the slightly above average O-line has been decimated by injuries (I blame this partly on Zach holding on to the ball too long), #3 Hackett's scheme only works with Rodgers at QB. I heard that the Hackett's system relies heavily for the QB to make adjustments right before the snap. Rodgers could do that. The problem is Hackett can't adjust his system and systems that can't adjust die quickly.
Winning with qb play stopped being the answer when Rodgers got hurt. Jets have Dalvin and Breece. They should each be getting about 15 carries a game. Utilize them and some tight ends in blocking situations for run game and pass game if the o-line plays poorly. Even if they do not gain a lot running the ball, it will keep opposing defenses on the field and let Jets defense rest and play even better. Jets still have serviceable kicker in Greg the leg, and a great punter in Morstead. Try to win with field position, defense, and run game. Not Wilson or Boyle
So much of the joy that I experience watching NFL football is directly related to the hatred I feel for the other 31 teams that are NOT mine...Thanks, I needed to vent...
The Jets season was done after the Raiders game for me. They can tank all they like for the rest of this season if it means they can put together even an average to slightly-better-than-average offense next year. The Jets defense is so strong that if they had an offense that could put up just 16 points, the team would win most games. But right now the Jets struggle to do more than 9 points like some force field pops us the moment they get to the red zone. Assuming their drive doesn't end in a 3-and-out to begin with. It's so frustrating being a Jets fan and seeing so much regression. Even with Rodgers out, I was hoping for at least a Wildcard spot. Sure, that's not much, but it would have shown the Jets could be a real contender in the years to come. Instead, it's another of wait-and-see what the Jets can do next year season.
Joe Douglas did a great job scouting skill position players and then forgot about the rest of the team. I also don't think Saleh is QUITE in firing territory for me, nor is Douglas, but Hackett 100% is. The former two have made plenty of crucial mistakes but Hackett has shown me NOTHING thus far that shows he can help. Once Rodgers' time is done here and he has no other ties to us get his ass out, if he doesn't improve.
This is why I wanted Rodgers to leave and he might have a comeback next year and play well. But I was so done with the soap opera now they don't want to draft a QB not to upset him...My God😅
As a Broncos fan we dealt with the “what if” with Rodgers when the draft night trade fell apart. Then the GM hired Hackett thinking it would be enough to get Rodgers…then he stayed with the Packers. He is a great quarterback but his ego is out of control. When the Jets hired Hackett, I couldn’t believe it since he refused to hold his players accountable. Gordon kept fumbling and kept him as a starter. And the field goal situation in Seattle…that was when I knew made a mistake hiring Hackett.
I wanna kind of point this out. The only fans Grossi is dissing are the bad ones. That I feel gets lost in translation during these things. Perna, and a few others are the same way. The way some people twist them going after the fanbase is really starting to get old. There's a big difference between what Tom did here and badmouthing EVERYONE in with one team
To top it off, Breece Hall is basically their only effective offense this year. Yet Saleh wants him to 'take whats there.' So he wants Breece to run for 3 yards 3 plays in and row then punt. Breece Hall gives you your best shot of making a big play happen at any given time. Let the boy cook or trade him.
My biggest complaint is that the team seems convinced that Wilson is or could be a good QB if we just give him a chance and like...I was like that at one point, until maybe this point last season, until I finally admitted he was trash. I think they may have finally come to the same conclusion. The problem is that it's too late to do anything about it. And yeah, why bring in Trevor Siemian? He may not be great by, my god, he has at least historically performed better than *this*. And yes, frankly, the O-line is the biggest problem (outside of QB) on this team. I think the run game is probably okay - the thing is that people aren't afraid of the pass so they can just pile in to defend the run. I honestly think we need to draft an offensive lineman in the 1st round and probably also trade for one (or more) as well. Do something to shore that up. Problem is Jets may sneak into the top 5 picks (something entirely plausible at this point) to nab either Alt or Fashanu at OT. If someone like Nix or Penix can drop to them in the 2nd round, I'd seriously consider picking them up as a good quality 2nd round QB to practice behind Rodgers next year. I'm just afraid this team will do what it will always do: draft for the defense and neglect the offense, and we've seen where that has gotten us.
If Rodgers is allowed to keep running the show the Jets are not going to be better next year. I thought for the longest time that the situation where Favre & Rodgers at the end of their careers were able to hold GB hostage was because there was no one owner who could put his foot down & the GM didn't feel they could. Clearly at least with Rodgers everyone is afraid of hurting his feelings and telling him he is a player and if he wants to continue to be let the front office do their job. With Rodgers in charge it is unlikely Saleh gets fired because it is doubtful any new head coach who wants to succeed or fail on their own merit would want anything to do with Hackett. Now while the Bears likely have the 1st pick locked up via Carolina if they end up finding their footing with Fields their next head coach may want to use the number 1 on Harrison Jr and the other top pick on OL help. The commanders seem set with Howell. AZ could keep Murray. Only the Patriots & Giants of the worst teams could be all in on a new QB. Point being that the Jets right now are likely getting a top 3-5 pick based on the schedule they have left they could be draft as high as 2 or 3. Meaning they could be looking at drafting Williams, Daniels or Maye but if Rodgers is calling the shots none of them are getting drafted. Now imagine the devil bargains the Jets fans will feel was made if one of those QB's turn out elite and they ended up with a guy Aaron wants who is serviceable but not special.
I remember Pat talking to Rapsheet saying "Hold on, TWO smart individuals? We know Joe Douglas is a smart individual (he's proven it) but are we sure Gutekunst is smart?" lol
I said it when it happened: building the whole team around rogers was such a fucking mistake..We needed two new quarter backs, not one, and we needed an o-line that could work regardless of who is the quarterback. All my friends said I should just be happy we drafted Rodgers, but I fucking knew this was a mistake. I knew he was gonna get injured at some point in the early season..I knew the team looked bad aside from the defense..It's all just really painful as a fan. I respect wanting to stand behind Wilson, I don't respect not looking to replace Rodgers before the cut off.
Jets could be a reallt scary team with a good offense. Hopefully they use their draft capital to get some better players on that side of the ball AND a decent backup QB.
Jets GM when Rodgers hurt: Let's roll with Zach, even when he starts to look bad, let's roll with Zach because Rodgers is coming back this season, and we are absolutely a Superbowl team. Viking GM when Cousins hurt: Crap, is he ok? He's not!? Oh crap! What will we do next season? And we just lost a shot at the playoffs this season...unless Cardinals GM: I wonder who is calling me? Vikings GM? I was expecting Jets GM. Vikings GM wants Dobbs to help their QB transition and to maybe make the playoffs. Viking GM when Cousins out: How much is this deal going to take? DONE! Wow did the Jets, Browns, Cards, etc not realize the value of Dobbs?
I think they could contend for a wildcard but I think they’re gonna have to invest a lot of money into next year. I really like the Jets but it might be over. Please do better next year I really like you guys and your players
The fact that people continue to say that this team would be fine if Aaron Rodgers was the QB…………are you high? If Rodgers hadn’t gotten hurt, he’d look terrible behind that line, he’d be the check down king, and the idiots calling plays would be the same people who are calling plays now. Rodgers was never your savior, Jets fans. And he’d be contemplating retirement again.
He wouldn’t be “checking down” - have you watched him play in recent years? He’d be throwing 50/50 balls (mostly incomplete), throwing the ball away and taking sacks.
And here I thought the worst way for an NFL team to go into halftime would be the Giants' Week 6 clock management fubar against...hmm, something about Buffalo bringing out the worst in already bad teams..
Aaron Rodgers destroyed this team no matter what anyone says. They let Rodgers take over and now they’re fucked while he just brings attention to himself. But, as a Dolphins fan. I’m so happy 😂😂😂
@@UvReflexes "Took over for 1 play" Sure, if you ignore the rest of his impact by the Jets acquiring Hackett, Cobb, Lazard, and Tim Boyle. Lazard is making 12 mil(more than every Packer WR combined) and was a healthy scratch in recent weeks. Cobb is basically a cast member of the walking dead, mans is 33 and hasn't had a 500 yd season since 2019(which was in Dallas, not with Rodgers). Tim Boyle is 1 of the worst backup QBs I can think of. His impact is a lot deeper than the 1 drive he played.
@@173jaSon371 did he get them to sign boyle? but yeah the rest of the guys he got them to sign is a fair point in preseason. But after that, It's really on Jets mgmt/coach to make those decisions, especially after he went down early and they have a whole season to make adjustments, but I see what you guys mean.
The fact they didn't sign joe Flacco week 1 says a lot. That's a guy who was in the building and is a super bowl winning qb. Hell even Carson Wentz would have had a higher ceiling than Zach or tim
People gotta stop saying Rodgers is gonna cover up the crap rhat is this offense. This offense was so bad it literally got him injured 4 snaps in. And he didn't look like he was covering for the deficiencies while he was there he looked like he was running for his life. Rodgers is about to be 40 and his mobility is gone for the most part. And the Jets recievers dont seperate all that much. Also the Jets abandon the run game after 10 runs. This team has deep rooted issues that still have me saying. Jets are gonna jets
I gotta say Douglas and Saleh have to go. I am sorry, I don't care how good at the occassional draft pick home run he is, Douglas has been in charge of putting the team together for SIX years and they haven't even cracked 500 in that time. The best season is 7 wins. As for Saleh, he is clearly maxed out as a D-Coordinator. Plenty of teams have bad offenses and they manage to hold together. He has faced open mutiny, his team falling apart and giving up in both of the last two years because of the offense. I can't see that happening to a good coach. Hell, even Hackett did not face that last year in Denver for all the bad mouthing he gets. Frank Reich got fired and his team wasn't giving up on him in back to back years like the Jets have on Saleh.
I want to know what Tom is referring to when he says “ The Packers had to deal with this” Injury? Indecision? Wanting players he likes on the team? Cause the way Tom said it made it seem like Aaron was part of the problem. And calling him GM Rodger’s is wild given that at the end of the day that is coaches and actual GMs choice to sign on those players. Idk left a bad taste for me. Made me think he’s partially blaming Rodger’s for the some of the Jets problems. But maybe that’s just how I’m interpreting it.
Pretty sure he's referring to the whole media circus with "is Rodgers retiring/staying with the Packers/wanting out" the past couple of years, and how he's glad he got to skip the whole "will he or won't he rush back from his injury" speculation around him this year. I would assume "GM Rodgers" was a reference to how Rodgers had a wishlist of players he wanted the Jets to sign before he'd sign with them.
Rodgers was making demands on who they should sign. As you can see, the players he wants aren't very good, they're just familiar with Rodgers. And his constant bitching about the coaches, the young teamamtes, etc etc. He believes he is smarter than everyone else. That's what the Packers had to deal with
@@addesigncntr2708 The fact that he'd rather work with guys he's familiar with rather than get familiar with the players the Jets have (Garrett and Breece in particular) should be very telling
The jets simply need to ask Rodgers if he's cool with drafting his replacement early. Hell, let him have input on the replacement. Dont do what the packers did and just go get a guy. Pick the guy Aaron would most want to mentor and if he doesn't want to do that, then dont, get guys who compliment him with early picks. Picking a qb in rounds 5-7 have proven to pay off before.
Why in the hell would you want Rodgers input on the QB of the future!? In what universe would that make sense in any scenario? You think Brady was like "Hey, you guys should snag Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd round! Hell yeah fam!" Fuck no. If Rodgers input was so good, maybe the Jets would've added better than Cobb, Lazard, Boyle, and Hackett. Funny how Rodgers "never had good enough WR's" and took 2 terrible ones to his new team with him. At least Brady took AB, Gronk, and Fournette with him, who all had TDs in the super bowl W
It doesn’t matter if you have Mark Sanchez, Zack Wilson, Rodgers or Tom Brady in his prime. The jets will still suck because the O line is completely worthless. Almost the entire offense needs to be canned for any meaningful change to occur.
Heh, it’s funny that this Dobbs take aged pretty poorly one day later. I’m half kidding, Dobbs has been pretty decent last game aside. But I’m not sure I’d trust him to be able good on the Jets. They’re an offensive wasteland. I was skeptical of Rodgers being any good anyway coming off his worst year and I can’t say anything the Jets have shown me makes me think he’ll be better a year* and an injury later. (*He’s not playing this season and never was. He’s an egomaniac who just wanted to gaslight the whole world.)
Alot of jets fans ran their mouths all off season...I tried to tell them 😂. Their oline is hot garbage...can't win with "Rodgers boys" and a oline like that.
Rogers is, was, and will continue to be a little frail drama queen. Funny he says he does not like the roughness taken out of the game. Every time he gets hit, he is whining to, or at least looking to the ref for a flag. Retire already Rogers, good riddance. The game is greater then you or Brady, not the other way around.
Bro..... what are you talking about they almost have the same record as us and Aarons played 4 snaps he's gonna be back in a few weeks and they are gonna be SCARY!!!!! if they make the playoffs...... they beat the chief that don't look like the chiefs, the beat the bad decision bills and beat the hell outta Miami if they can actually put a drive together and their D isn't on the field 70% of the game........... if they get into the playoffs with Aaron they are getting to the chip.......now everyone call me delusional but jut wait for that bad man to make you all eat it
Why do they look scary? Because they got...Billy Turner? Doesn't play. Cobb? Doesn't play. Lazard? Benched. Boyle? Probably about to be benched. Hackett? Worst OC in the league. They've got Breece and Garrett under an OC who plays an entire game against the most creative offensive mind in the NFL and doesn't use pre-snap motion even one time. Dude, I'm a Jets fan and I was telling people to chill out before ARod even went down. But now? We're the worst offense in NFL history.
@@drm3259 Aaron is gonna cure a lot of those problems your defense is what makes you scary they are top 5 in the league and your offense is never on the field just think about how much better they are gonna be when they are not gassed from being on the field for 75% of the game....... Aarons had a top 10 defense 1 time in his career and guess where they ended up
@@tylerhanlin6039 I agree we'll be a bunch better but everything everyone was worried about all offseason with that o line happened immediately. I was at opening day, 19 rows up from the field. Aaron ran for his life and threw a ball away and then he ran for his life, got sacked and tore his achilles. They have to put in the work drafting and acquiring o line depth. Joe D screwed us by allowing that useless first round pick swap with GB that let the Patriots screw us out of an o-lineman and we used the 15th overall pick on an experimental pass rusher who has been a healthy scratch several times this season - absolutely unforgiveable pick.
Grossi acting like this after the only reason his team has a ring in the last 25 years bursted his Achilles leading to this is a real show of character. But what to expect from a New Yorker. The East Coast is basically a septic tank from Boston to Tampa
This Grossi guy is the absolute worst type of fan. The Packers had 2 SBs with 30 years of 2 HOF quarterbacks. That’s not good and so many other teams would have killed to have a HOF quarterback once in the last 30 years. The most overrated franchise in the NFL and their fans are absolutely blind to it.
Imagine being stupid enough to think that winning 2 super bowls is BAD. Only 12 QBs have won multiple and most of them were on stacked, dynasty level teams like the Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers, Pats, and a lot of them happened in the pre-salary cap era. I'm not even a Packers fan I'm a Patriots fan, but winning a ring is not that easy and I think Brady has clouded peoples minds and judgement on career accomplishments. Brees and Marino were not bums. Neither were guys like Warren Moon, Phil Rivers, Dan Fouts, etc who don't have rings. It's a team game, and that's why guys like Foles and Dilfer and Flacco have rings. Not saying some of them didn't play out of their minds in postseason runs like Eli and Flacco, but it still requires a full team effort and a bit of luck. Brady could just as easily have 9 super bowl wins or 4 super bowl wins instead of 7. 1 was Butler, 2 were Vinatieri, other games had huge efforts from guys like Hightower, Vereen, James White, etc. Rodgers also didn't have some legendary coach like Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, or Staubach had. Most all time greats need an all-time HC paired with them to achieve their full potential, and some still don't.
i said this from day one (as a jets fan), getting Aaron Rodgers was a huge mistake great QB and everything, but he's past his prime, and comes with so much bullshit that even if he was healthy and played this year 1) i don't think it would've been enough to win a super bowl and 2) he was going to set this team up for failure hate that I'm correct but tbh I feel like most jet fans saw this coming best case scenario with Rodgers was maybe playoffs and hopefully luck our way to a super bowl while maybe helping out Wilson but the most likely scenario was, playoffs, lose, Rodgers walks away, we are stuck with his friends and Wilson still isn't any good, wasting another season as a result i don't blame the GM at all because he literally made all the right moves went to get Rodgers, got some O-Line depth, resigned our top players, got some WR depth etc but most of it just didn't work out which sucks but hard to blame JD for that the ONLY thing i still cant get behind is NOT getting someone like Wentz to backup Wilson and my only thought is that maybe they didn't want to piss off Rodgers by getting rid of Boyle or some bullshit Rodgers has such a massive ego and a "me first" attitude, and it destroyed this team like i said most jet fans saw this coming, even if he was healthy it was gonna end bad for this team in the long run the injury just made it abundantly clear that this team was created for Rodgers, and setup to fail
The fact that this is the only team to beat the Eagles... so far
Gets more and more confusing
@@gamerryanbanana9672Glad to be a Jets fan!
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Hopefully on Sunday my 49ers will be the second to beat them.
@@BlakeHardemanI mean I imagine we will lose to you and/or the cowboys for everyone to call us frauds when we’ll still make the nfc championship at least
@@BlakeHardeman Hopefully not!
The fact that they never even bothered to look for insurances after the Rodgers injury week1 is easily the most damning and baffling thing about this whole scenario. They saw what the previous year of Wilson was like, to not go out and at least tryout other guys is just sheer managerial incompetence of epic proportions.
Rodgers returning early is also ridiculously risky from multiple fronts and it doesn't take a Doctor to make that deduction. He could easily reinjure it and potentially ruin his chances at next season. Idk how much Rodgers is "GM"ing or w/e behind the scenes, dude just seems like he is trying to do what he can to help this dumpster fire. Can't help but feel bad for Jets fans tho.
Tim Boyle, Allen Lazard, Randall Cobb, and Nathaniel Hackett were due to Aaron Rodgers. None of them seem to have been good decisions.
Putting a 40-year-old QB behind a dog poo line and expecting positive results is also managerial incompetence of epic proportions.
The team clearly believes (or at least believed at the time) there was hope for Wilson. I don't know if it's just that he performs much better in practice or if they still bought into his "potential" but yeah - the fact they didn't even seem to bother to look is perhaps the worst part of this situation.
@@Mark-oq9fl I'm not saying that management hasn't been bad. Just that Rodgers has influenced management and the choices he picked have been detrimental to the team.
@@fleetadmiralj I mean having a backup QB like Tim Boyle is also bonkers, like they could've had a better backup QB even before the season started. Granted yeah like not going for Doubs who only cost a 6th. Even with this recent loss he seems to have more potential than Wilson and especially Boyle.
I'm not sure how much management listens to the coaches or how much input Saleh has for offense, but it's definitely a mess and they're worse than last year.
I have to agree with Tom; the Jets' refusal to do *anything* despite Rodgers getting knocked out for the season Week 1 (with an injury that could potentially hurt him for any future seasons if he doesn't outright retire, no less) is infuriating and makes no sense.
Wilson is very clearly not a viable starter at QB; that was obvious last year (it's why they jumped at the chance to get Rodgers in the first place). Yet they stubbornly refused to explore other options (remember "he's who gives us the best chance to win"?); they didn't even try to see what they had with Boyle (which, it turned out, was "nothing") until after the trade deadline when it was too late to scramble and try to find anyone else. What was their plan? Wager the entire season on Wilson magically turning his career around? Guess what, it didn't happen, so they have nothing. Another lost season to throw onto the pile, thanks to offensive ineptitude that they didn't even *try* to fix once Rodgers went down.
If I were a Jets fan, I'd want the entire front office fired. This is gross incompetence and negligence. Sure, losing Rodgers was always going to be a hell of a blow, but AT LEAST TRY TO WORK AROUND IT GODDAMNIT.
Wilson isn't a viable starter for the Jets. They have no way to develop QBs I mean just look at Russell Wilson this year compared to last year and now Zach Wilson, who has the tools to be a good QB, is looking worse as they limit the playbook as much as possible.
My gut instinct is to fire the front office, but I think part of it is worse than that. We've gone through front office after front office and things never change. That strongly suggests the root of the problem lies in the one person the team can't get rid of
In Denver we went through the crap with Hackett and I'm happy that we don't have to deal with it anymore.
It's not the same. Denver shouldn't have hope. Jets had reason to
As a Fins fan, I love GM Aaron Rogers. Sorry Jets fans
Yeah, I thought Friday's game was a lot of fun!
The New York Packers need to figure everything out in the offseason
Im guessing all of the former Packers will be gone next year.
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Nathaniel Hackett is the WORST coach in the history of the National Football League but the Jets won't fire him because he is Rodgers' BFF.
Josh McDaniels
@@dannyrobert1382not Hackett is way worse. Mc D was a good offensive coach, a terrible head coach. Hackett sucks at both
@@DarrinwilliamsmediaBut Hackett is only OC right now. Saleh is the head coach.
@@stefanjoeres7149 yea and their offense is horrible, defense is pretty solid.
They are the LOL JETS for a reason; they had no plan B after going all in with Rodgers.
Besides the fact that did not trade/draft/sign a reputable backup, the bigger personnel malpractice was the idea in the first place that the Jets would put their 40-year old, $100 million quarterback behind such a patchwork offensive line. The idea that they have so little depth in pass protecting what they were hedging their entire Super Bowl chances on is so right up the alley of the Woody Johnson-Era Jets.
If the Jets got a competent o-line, maybe Rodgers would’ve lasted for 4 drives 🤷🏻♂️
Even if he didn't get that injury. He would have been scrambling for most the season anyway
More like if the Giants and Jets Actually Got Better Turf Or Grass
Such a horrifically dumb opinion. He had like 4 seconds to throw and was brought down in the most mild way possible. He is 40 years old and has had injuries almost every year since 2013. His calf strain in the offseason may have even been a sign that his legs were showing wear and tear. If Sam Howell got hurt, you can blame the OL a bit because he has been sacked 55 times. Rodgers didn't even make it through 1 sack. Go rewatch the play without any slo-mo and tell me he didn't have time to find a WR or throw it away.
2013: Broken collarbone
2014 and 2016: Calf tear and calf strain
2017: Broken collarbone again
2018: Knee and concussion
2021: Broken toe
2022: Broken thumb
2023: Calf strain, torn achiles.
So in 11 seasons, he has had4 broken bones, 3 tears, and a strained muscle or 2. Plus a concussion
@@173jaSon371 why didn’t he have time to throw the ball?
Remember when Jets fans insisted they had leverage in the trade? That Packers should settle for an R3? Everything since then has been a rewind/play stupid tape
Maybe the Jets should draft a QB, when the Packers drafted Love, Rodgers was so pissed he went and won the MVP that season.
And the next.
Why didn't the jets go get a qb. Flacco just got picked up, Wentz, Dobbs. What was the plan when Rodgers went down. Really stupid.
Flacco even has experience as a Jets QB. No brainer to bring him in. Don't need to waste draft capital on Dobbs either
The Jets offense is so bad because #1 Rodgers achilles, #2 All their back up QBs are really bad, #3 the slightly above average O-line has been decimated by injuries (I blame this partly on Zach holding on to the ball too long), #3 Hackett's scheme only works with Rodgers at QB. I heard that the Hackett's system relies heavily for the QB to make adjustments right before the snap. Rodgers could do that. The problem is Hackett can't adjust his system and systems that can't adjust die quickly.
Winning with qb play stopped being the answer when Rodgers got hurt. Jets have Dalvin and Breece. They should each be getting about 15 carries a game. Utilize them and some tight ends in blocking situations for run game and pass game if the o-line plays poorly. Even if they do not gain a lot running the ball, it will keep opposing defenses on the field and let Jets defense rest and play even better. Jets still have serviceable kicker in Greg the leg, and a great punter in Morstead. Try to win with field position, defense, and run game. Not Wilson or Boyle
So much of the joy that I experience watching NFL football is directly related to the hatred I feel for the other 31 teams that are NOT mine...Thanks, I needed to vent...
The Jets season was done after the Raiders game for me. They can tank all they like for the rest of this season if it means they can put together even an average to slightly-better-than-average offense next year.
The Jets defense is so strong that if they had an offense that could put up just 16 points, the team would win most games. But right now the Jets struggle to do more than 9 points like some force field pops us the moment they get to the red zone. Assuming their drive doesn't end in a 3-and-out to begin with.
It's so frustrating being a Jets fan and seeing so much regression. Even with Rodgers out, I was hoping for at least a Wildcard spot. Sure, that's not much, but it would have shown the Jets could be a real contender in the years to come.
Instead, it's another of wait-and-see what the Jets can do next year season.
Joe Douglas did a great job scouting skill position players and then forgot about the rest of the team. I also don't think Saleh is QUITE in firing territory for me, nor is Douglas, but Hackett 100% is. The former two have made plenty of crucial mistakes but Hackett has shown me NOTHING thus far that shows he can help. Once Rodgers' time is done here and he has no other ties to us get his ass out, if he doesn't improve.
This is why I wanted Rodgers to leave and he might have a comeback next year and play well. But I was so done with the soap opera now they don't want to draft a QB not to upset him...My God😅
As a Broncos fan we dealt with the “what if” with Rodgers when the draft night trade fell apart. Then the GM hired Hackett thinking it would be enough to get Rodgers…then he stayed with the Packers. He is a great quarterback but his ego is out of control. When the Jets hired Hackett, I couldn’t believe it since he refused to hold his players accountable. Gordon kept fumbling and kept him as a starter. And the field goal situation in Seattle…that was when I knew made a mistake hiring Hackett.
I wanna kind of point this out. The only fans Grossi is dissing are the bad ones. That I feel gets lost in translation during these things. Perna, and a few others are the same way. The way some people twist them going after the fanbase is really starting to get old. There's a big difference between what Tom did here and badmouthing EVERYONE in with one team
Spot on, the Aaron Rodgers soap opera has moved to New York. This would have been GB if Aaron got Gutey fired, as he likely wanted.
To top it off, Breece Hall is basically their only effective offense this year. Yet Saleh wants him to 'take whats there.' So he wants Breece to run for 3 yards 3 plays in and row then punt. Breece Hall gives you your best shot of making a big play happen at any given time. Let the boy cook or trade him.
My friend is a long time Jets fan, and he refused to watch the last game, and he is not going to watch this one either.
Rodgers dragging the Jets further into the oblivion pretty much fits his narrative.
Doesn’t downfall require that the Jets actually rose at some point lol
All that's left is that Aaron Rodgers demands to play this season and fans and the team cave into it and he blows his Achilles again.
Tim Boyle is the Brutus Beefcake to Aaron Rodger's Hulk Hogan if that's how he got signed, honestly.
The Jets and the Patriots have the same problem currently except the Patriots receivers can't catch and no QB is injured
The jets should have never let Mike “the night king” white leave
My biggest complaint is that the team seems convinced that Wilson is or could be a good QB if we just give him a chance and like...I was like that at one point, until maybe this point last season, until I finally admitted he was trash. I think they may have finally come to the same conclusion. The problem is that it's too late to do anything about it. And yeah, why bring in Trevor Siemian? He may not be great by, my god, he has at least historically performed better than *this*.
And yes, frankly, the O-line is the biggest problem (outside of QB) on this team. I think the run game is probably okay - the thing is that people aren't afraid of the pass so they can just pile in to defend the run. I honestly think we need to draft an offensive lineman in the 1st round and probably also trade for one (or more) as well. Do something to shore that up. Problem is Jets may sneak into the top 5 picks (something entirely plausible at this point) to nab either Alt or Fashanu at OT. If someone like Nix or Penix can drop to them in the 2nd round, I'd seriously consider picking them up as a good quality 2nd round QB to practice behind Rodgers next year.
I'm just afraid this team will do what it will always do: draft for the defense and neglect the offense, and we've seen where that has gotten us.
Jets O-line is so bad. Before fixing any position they needed to fix that line. Any QB behind that line is just waiting to get killed.
All I need to read is the title of your video. So am I Tom, so am I.
Ending the vid with I gotta pee so bad LOL
"Tom Grossi is here for the Jets downfall."
That assumes the Jets were at any point an elite team to begin with.
Was Mr Grossi doing the New Yorker Italian hand gestures? Hollywood awaits me thinks...
If Rodgers is allowed to keep running the show the Jets are not going to be better next year. I thought for the longest time that the situation where Favre & Rodgers at the end of their careers were able to hold GB hostage was because there was no one owner who could put his foot down & the GM didn't feel they could. Clearly at least with Rodgers everyone is afraid of hurting his feelings and telling him he is a player and if he wants to continue to be let the front office do their job.
With Rodgers in charge it is unlikely Saleh gets fired because it is doubtful any new head coach who wants to succeed or fail on their own merit would want anything to do with Hackett. Now while the Bears likely have the 1st pick locked up via Carolina if they end up finding their footing with Fields their next head coach may want to use the number 1 on Harrison Jr and the other top pick on OL help. The commanders seem set with Howell. AZ could keep Murray. Only the Patriots & Giants of the worst teams could be all in on a new QB. Point being that the Jets right now are likely getting a top 3-5 pick based on the schedule they have left they could be draft as high as 2 or 3. Meaning they could be looking at drafting Williams, Daniels or Maye but if Rodgers is calling the shots none of them are getting drafted. Now imagine the devil bargains the Jets fans will feel was made if one of those QB's turn out elite and they ended up with a guy Aaron wants who is serviceable but not special.
I remember Pat talking to Rapsheet saying "Hold on, TWO smart individuals? We know Joe Douglas is a smart individual (he's proven it) but are we sure Gutekunst is smart?" lol
What they're doing to Zack Wilson should be Criminal.
I said it when it happened: building the whole team around rogers was such a fucking mistake..We needed two new quarter backs, not one, and we needed an o-line that could work regardless of who is the quarterback. All my friends said I should just be happy we drafted Rodgers, but I fucking knew this was a mistake. I knew he was gonna get injured at some point in the early season..I knew the team looked bad aside from the defense..It's all just really painful as a fan. I respect wanting to stand behind Wilson, I don't respect not looking to replace Rodgers before the cut off.
Jets could be a reallt scary team with a good offense. Hopefully they use their draft capital to get some better players on that side of the ball AND a decent backup QB.
Jets GM when Rodgers hurt: Let's roll with Zach, even when he starts to look bad, let's roll with Zach because Rodgers is coming back this season, and we are absolutely a Superbowl team.
Viking GM when Cousins hurt: Crap, is he ok? He's not!? Oh crap! What will we do next season? And we just lost a shot at the playoffs this season...unless
Cardinals GM: I wonder who is calling me? Vikings GM? I was expecting Jets GM. Vikings GM wants Dobbs to help their QB transition and to maybe make the playoffs.
Viking GM when Cousins out: How much is this deal going to take? DONE! Wow did the Jets, Browns, Cards, etc not realize the value of Dobbs?
I think they could contend for a wildcard but I think they’re gonna have to invest a lot of money into next year. I really like the Jets but it might be over. Please do better next year I really like you guys and your players
The fact that people continue to say that this team would be fine if Aaron Rodgers was the QB…………are you high? If Rodgers hadn’t gotten hurt, he’d look terrible behind that line, he’d be the check down king, and the idiots calling plays would be the same people who are calling plays now. Rodgers was never your savior, Jets fans. And he’d be contemplating retirement again.
He wouldn’t be “checking down” - have you watched him play in recent years? He’d be throwing 50/50 balls (mostly incomplete), throwing the ball away and taking sacks.
And here I thought the worst way for an NFL team to go into halftime would be the Giants' Week 6 clock management fubar against...hmm, something about Buffalo bringing out the worst in already bad teams..
Aaron Rodgers destroyed this team no matter what anyone says. They let Rodgers take over and now they’re fucked while he just brings attention to himself. But, as a Dolphins fan. I’m so happy 😂😂😂
??? He took over for 1 play dawg. lol, I don't think the Jets need help from anyone to destroy their team. They do a great job of that on their own.
@@UvReflexes "Took over for 1 play" Sure, if you ignore the rest of his impact by the Jets acquiring Hackett, Cobb, Lazard, and Tim Boyle. Lazard is making 12 mil(more than every Packer WR combined) and was a healthy scratch in recent weeks. Cobb is basically a cast member of the walking dead, mans is 33 and hasn't had a 500 yd season since 2019(which was in Dallas, not with Rodgers). Tim Boyle is 1 of the worst backup QBs I can think of. His impact is a lot deeper than the 1 drive he played.
@@173jaSon371 did he get them to sign boyle? but yeah the rest of the guys he got them to sign is a fair point in preseason. But after that, It's really on Jets mgmt/coach to make those decisions, especially after he went down early and they have a whole season to make adjustments, but I see what you guys mean.
Hackett was a terrible choice for OC
The fact they didn't sign joe Flacco week 1 says a lot. That's a guy who was in the building and is a super bowl winning qb. Hell even Carson Wentz would have had a higher ceiling than Zach or tim
I honestly believe starting zach wilson was all about getting a better pick.
Cobb had a touchdown I think
People gotta stop saying Rodgers is gonna cover up the crap rhat is this offense. This offense was so bad it literally got him injured 4 snaps in. And he didn't look like he was covering for the deficiencies while he was there he looked like he was running for his life. Rodgers is about to be 40 and his mobility is gone for the most part. And the Jets recievers dont seperate all that much. Also the Jets abandon the run game after 10 runs. This team has deep rooted issues that still have me saying. Jets are gonna jets
This is what they get for burning the cheese heads
This is a little shameful coming from a Packers fan. Watch the drool, Grossi, dont get it on yourself.
They need to go 0-17 if A Rod doesn’t play well next year. Full purge.
Can't the Jets draft a high caliber qb just for trade value against good, experienced players?
Rodgers has to fullfill the prophecy. He has to follow Farve's footsteps and go to the Vikings
I gotta say Douglas and Saleh have to go. I am sorry, I don't care how good at the occassional draft pick home run he is, Douglas has been in charge of putting the team together for SIX years and they haven't even cracked 500 in that time. The best season is 7 wins. As for Saleh, he is clearly maxed out as a D-Coordinator. Plenty of teams have bad offenses and they manage to hold together. He has faced open mutiny, his team falling apart and giving up in both of the last two years because of the offense. I can't see that happening to a good coach. Hell, even Hackett did not face that last year in Denver for all the bad mouthing he gets. Frank Reich got fired and his team wasn't giving up on him in back to back years like the Jets have on Saleh.
I think the J-E-T- S JETS JETS JETS went downhill when they still stuck with Wilson after they found out he was schtupping his girlfriends Mother .
I want to know what Tom is referring to when he says “ The Packers had to deal with this” Injury? Indecision? Wanting players he likes on the team? Cause the way Tom said it made it seem like Aaron was part of the problem. And calling him GM Rodger’s is wild given that at the end of the day that is coaches and actual GMs choice to sign on those players. Idk left a bad taste for me. Made me think he’s partially blaming Rodger’s for the some of the Jets problems. But maybe that’s just how I’m interpreting it.
Pretty sure he's referring to the whole media circus with "is Rodgers retiring/staying with the Packers/wanting out" the past couple of years, and how he's glad he got to skip the whole "will he or won't he rush back from his injury" speculation around him this year.
I would assume "GM Rodgers" was a reference to how Rodgers had a wishlist of players he wanted the Jets to sign before he'd sign with them.
Rodgers was making demands on who they should sign. As you can see, the players he wants aren't very good, they're just familiar with Rodgers. And his constant bitching about the coaches, the young teamamtes, etc etc. He believes he is smarter than everyone else. That's what the Packers had to deal with
@@addesigncntr2708 The fact that he'd rather work with guys he's familiar with rather than get familiar with the players the Jets have (Garrett and Breece in particular) should be very telling
AAron trying to LeGM the Jets is hilarious. Proly something to do with some Qanon buddy buddy type stuff with the owner, which is even more hilarous.
McCoy is still an option
What a waste of a defense.
Black friday is done being a retail hoilday and will now be a firing nfl officials hoilday.
Trade Rodgers to the Vikings!? Oh no
The jets simply need to ask Rodgers if he's cool with drafting his replacement early. Hell, let him have input on the replacement. Dont do what the packers did and just go get a guy. Pick the guy Aaron would most want to mentor and if he doesn't want to do that, then dont, get guys who compliment him with early picks. Picking a qb in rounds 5-7 have proven to pay off before.
I’m not letting rodgers run my team… he’s a player not a GM…
Why in the hell would you want Rodgers input on the QB of the future!? In what universe would that make sense in any scenario? You think Brady was like "Hey, you guys should snag Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd round! Hell yeah fam!" Fuck no.
If Rodgers input was so good, maybe the Jets would've added better than Cobb, Lazard, Boyle, and Hackett. Funny how Rodgers "never had good enough WR's" and took 2 terrible ones to his new team with him. At least Brady took AB, Gronk, and Fournette with him, who all had TDs in the super bowl W
@@173jaSon371 you can't even write properly lmfao. Learn to make a comment without an edit or drink some Fabuloso and get in the ground 🤣
A 75 million$ J-E-T-S!
Nobody would do good on this offense
It doesn’t matter if you have Mark Sanchez, Zack Wilson, Rodgers or Tom Brady in his prime. The jets will still suck because the O line is completely worthless. Almost the entire offense needs to be canned for any meaningful change to occur.
Heh, it’s funny that this Dobbs take aged pretty poorly one day later.
I’m half kidding, Dobbs has been pretty decent last game aside. But I’m not sure I’d trust him to be able good on the Jets. They’re an offensive wasteland. I was skeptical of Rodgers being any good anyway coming off his worst year and I can’t say anything the Jets have shown me makes me think he’ll be better a year* and an injury later.
(*He’s not playing this season and never was. He’s an egomaniac who just wanted to gaslight the whole world.)
I think Rodgers should run the offense.
Alot of jets fans ran their mouths all off season...I tried to tell them 😂. Their oline is hot garbage...can't win with "Rodgers boys" and a oline like that.
Bad take by Tom. They only brought over 3 former Packers and Tim Boyle was never meant to see the field.
Rogers is, was, and will continue to be a little frail drama queen. Funny he says he does not like the roughness taken out of the game. Every time he gets hit, he is whining to, or at least looking to the ref for a flag. Retire already Rogers, good riddance. The game is greater then you or Brady, not the other way around.
Bro..... what are you talking about they almost have the same record as us and Aarons played 4 snaps he's gonna be back in a few weeks and they are gonna be SCARY!!!!! if they make the playoffs...... they beat the chief that don't look like the chiefs, the beat the bad decision bills and beat the hell outta Miami if they can actually put a drive together and their D isn't on the field 70% of the game........... if they get into the playoffs with Aaron they are getting to the chip.......now everyone call me delusional but jut wait for that bad man to make you all eat it
Why do they look scary? Because they got...Billy Turner? Doesn't play. Cobb? Doesn't play. Lazard? Benched. Boyle? Probably about to be benched. Hackett? Worst OC in the league. They've got Breece and Garrett under an OC who plays an entire game against the most creative offensive mind in the NFL and doesn't use pre-snap motion even one time. Dude, I'm a Jets fan and I was telling people to chill out before ARod even went down. But now? We're the worst offense in NFL history.
@@drm3259 Aaron is gonna cure a lot of those problems your defense is what makes you scary they are top 5 in the league and your offense is never on the field just think about how much better they are gonna be when they are not gassed from being on the field for 75% of the game....... Aarons had a top 10 defense 1 time in his career and guess where they ended up
@@tylerhanlin6039 I agree we'll be a bunch better but everything everyone was worried about all offseason with that o line happened immediately. I was at opening day, 19 rows up from the field. Aaron ran for his life and threw a ball away and then he ran for his life, got sacked and tore his achilles. They have to put in the work drafting and acquiring o line depth. Joe D screwed us by allowing that useless first round pick swap with GB that let the Patriots screw us out of an o-lineman and we used the 15th overall pick on an experimental pass rusher who has been a healthy scratch several times this season - absolutely unforgiveable pick.
Grossi acting like this after the only reason his team has a ring in the last 25 years bursted his Achilles leading to this is a real show of character.
But what to expect from a New Yorker. The East Coast is basically a septic tank from Boston to Tampa
Bro read the title without watching the video
@@bugsboson2948 knew it was gonna be either that or the near patented and still false "U jEt FaN"
Sounds like someone got their feelings hurt over a game :((((((( Poor baby
@@173jaSon371 *man makes 8 frowns*
Yeah, I'm hurt. You're dad didn't raise you huh? Single mom energy is oozing outta you 🤣
This Grossi guy is the absolute worst type of fan. The Packers had 2 SBs with 30 years of 2 HOF quarterbacks. That’s not good and so many other teams would have killed to have a HOF quarterback once in the last 30 years. The most overrated franchise in the NFL and their fans are absolutely blind to it.
Imagine being stupid enough to think that winning 2 super bowls is BAD. Only 12 QBs have won multiple and most of them were on stacked, dynasty level teams like the Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers, Pats, and a lot of them happened in the pre-salary cap era. I'm not even a Packers fan I'm a Patriots fan, but winning a ring is not that easy and I think Brady has clouded peoples minds and judgement on career accomplishments. Brees and Marino were not bums. Neither were guys like Warren Moon, Phil Rivers, Dan Fouts, etc who don't have rings.
It's a team game, and that's why guys like Foles and Dilfer and Flacco have rings. Not saying some of them didn't play out of their minds in postseason runs like Eli and Flacco, but it still requires a full team effort and a bit of luck. Brady could just as easily have 9 super bowl wins or 4 super bowl wins instead of 7. 1 was Butler, 2 were Vinatieri, other games had huge efforts from guys like Hightower, Vereen, James White, etc.
Rodgers also didn't have some legendary coach like Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, or Staubach had. Most all time greats need an all-time HC paired with them to achieve their full potential, and some still don't.
i said this from day one (as a jets fan), getting Aaron Rodgers was a huge mistake
great QB and everything, but he's past his prime, and comes with so much bullshit that even if he was healthy and played this year 1) i don't think it would've been enough to win a super bowl and 2) he was going to set this team up for failure
hate that I'm correct but tbh I feel like most jet fans saw this coming
best case scenario with Rodgers was maybe playoffs and hopefully luck our way to a super bowl while maybe helping out Wilson
but the most likely scenario was, playoffs, lose, Rodgers walks away, we are stuck with his friends and Wilson still isn't any good, wasting another season as a result
i don't blame the GM at all because he literally made all the right moves
went to get Rodgers, got some O-Line depth, resigned our top players, got some WR depth etc
but most of it just didn't work out which sucks but hard to blame JD for that
the ONLY thing i still cant get behind is NOT getting someone like Wentz to backup Wilson
and my only thought is that maybe they didn't want to piss off Rodgers by getting rid of Boyle or some bullshit
Rodgers has such a massive ego and a "me first" attitude, and it destroyed this team
like i said most jet fans saw this coming, even if he was healthy it was gonna end bad for this team in the long run
the injury just made it abundantly clear that this team was created for Rodgers, and setup to fail