Invoker is even more unfair. His reaction time and thinking process(what skills to use right now), same as uptime of wrong spheres(those, which you need to cast a new spell) would be way better.
This is pretty cool, it has very small variables, so it's easier to learn, so It would be very interesting to see how it can be done when it's a normal 5 vs 5.
@@scipug3048 He isn't because at the time of when he wrote his comment, the OG vs OpenAi match didn't happen.... Even if he was, the match wasn't normal as it had ridiculous restrictions.
@@Aperturee he wrote it 7 months ago... the game happened years ago. But yes the game had a lot of restrictions and the ai had a few flaws that got exploited by other teams.
the cycle of OpenAI: the bot beats you -> the bot improves -> the bot beats you -> you play passive bots instead to recover your self-esteem -> passive bots beat you -> uninstall dota
Good stuff. However, I do not think 5v5 is really going to come anytime soon. Im sure they can crush lanes, but general game decision making has a much larger degree of entropy (is that the right word) and has a lot more factors involved. Could execute some push strats for sure though. We'll see, good practice for the players anyways.
It's a learning AI, not the usual program "what to do type" of bot. As they said and developers are only working on bug/glitch fixes. Their only job is to make sure it do not get stuck, and play a non ending game. All they did is input the game rules, then the bot decides what to do on its own without any developer interference.
I just wonder what kind of a computer runs this bot. I really hope it can't be run on a normal computer cause other wise, it would be easy to just crush the lanes with this bot and than overtake mid game winning easily.
these bots can not just play better, but they have almost no reaction time and can calculate precisely not just guess. With 5 bots angainst 5 pros these advantages add up and the bots are going to crush the pro team.
The more variables there are the more chances there is that bot miscalculates. This is why runes/shrines/smokes are forbidden. In a 5 vs 5 game, there are too many variables, at least at the moment for the bots to handle. However in theory in a year or two, team of bots would probably beat even the best, most coordinated, most talented dota 2 team.
yah thats right we will know if the bot is really bot if we can have the game file downloaded and watch the player perspective.. Bots dont really have a player perspective shown so if we saw the bot doing right clicks and hero checking then there is a chance that it is not a bot.. it is a damm player !!
14:40 "If any audio wizard could make it so I can hear Dendi in my ear, maybe we could have a proper conversation." Oh I don't know, try putting that earpiece in your ear genius?
It is very natural that the player loses due to the environment he is in and the pressure on him. If he came across while playing comfortably at home, a different game would be watched.
waow! look at dis highly programmed AI I just found while my bots in practice stand there watching that one ward near roshan for like... the entire game
x2ceyez RTZ lost 10 out of 10 times. The other top players won't do any better. On that note, doesn't really make sense for that minor tournament they're holding to find the first 50 to beat the bot..kinda seem impossible lol
i think what they actually do is improving the bot even further to a greater height. during those matches with rtz cncc and others, the bot was surely improving but maybe the dev just set the parameters to where the bot achieved before it played against those pro players.
EnVisionCinemaHD I think it's actually because soul ring changes things drastically. Suddenly a huge boost of mana and less health. Same as them banning magic block. Because it would take so many iterations for the bot to figure out what the hell is happening.
the thing with this type of Bot is that good players will become pro in no time, its like having a pro coach at home, nobody can beat that, new pro players will rise from that training eventually.
I think the question he was looking for was "How many game samples does the bot work with?". That's a much better question. I'd guess it would need something like a million matches, considering the complexity of the strategies it came up with.
But the games weren't played in real time. In a project like this, you need to play several matches per minute to in order to get a decent result in a manageable time. I trust that they ran the simulation non-stop for two weeks, but that does not equate to one week of dota non-stop (which equates to roughly 1000 matches of 10 min. each). I think that it's reasonable to assume that they had multiple computers running on multiple threads during these two weeks, doing about 100 matches per minute or maybe more.
They should have had Dendi play again for the third time, but anything-goes this time (disregarding the "rules" like no bottle and no jungling). I think that a bottle crowing at the very least is an essential part of not only an SF mid only 1v1 but also a lot of other mirror 1v1 matchups as well. And who knows, the AI might even get better by learning how to work around these "rules".
One very big thing we are forgetting is the last rule: If at ten minutes there is no advantage in kills or tower, the game would be decided by creep score. Bots do not use items very well it seems. Also i feel like the best strategy to win this bot is staying passive, trying to get a Eul. and then trying to burst it with ulti
Well, if this kept for almost 10 min until the Eul possibly could be, because the gold income of dendi was so low, and spent on salves, that the SF bot could push the tower so fast
Razes from the tower are good enough to defend for ten minutes, I think. Again, I did not play it, but i'm certain the key to winning the match up is buying items which have effects, so the bot has problems reacting.
that bot can calculate the actual distance upto exact numbers while humans have to approximate that using speed and direction of movement etc factors like for sunstrike, hook and arrow
Knowing how these things work I would try drag the match out as long as possible because these bots have far more experience in winning short games then longer ones.
Molly House Those restrictions are basic 1v1 tournament rules numbnut. Plus, they have a year to come up with the team. They can just great a few dozen of the same Ai and run them on their own at the same time for a few months. Then pool the knowledge acquired together into one Ai then make 5 copies of it. It's definitely plausible.
Next TI, Valve will set an AI team against the final team for the winner takes all money. AI wins = Valve takes all the winning money = ez Bugatti for Gaben.
Imagine a bot controling a robot army that has learned from thousands of millions of simulated wars against itself. Now imagine such a bot fighting against our world. We're all dead.
the thing is. bot can use potion while side step and harass at the same time. with keyboard there's input delay. sometime you try to use potion while click other things wont work. its mechanical problem where as ai dont have the barrier. they are able to precise hit target base on their math calculation perimeter. those are the biggest advantage and not their strategies
@@synystera that doesn't changed thing as much as it still able to precisely execute commands, move hero and courier simultaneously while last hitting as a natural robot can do. The instructions sets is already queue. If you speed the game pace 10x it can easily execute commands. While human struggle to follow their hero with their eyes.
I thought of ogre with agility on tower and stun near tower and autoattack+salve at the same time from back to block him. Suicidal but i think it would do the trick... LE: I rewatched it and i don't think that another hero is pick available ...but still
Dendi ja era. Passou a epoca dele. Ele foi um grande jogador, fez história. Dono de um carisma imenso. Talvez nunca apareça alguem como ele em questao de fama, mas em quesito jogabilidade ele morreu. Acho ruim pois sou um grande fan, mas temos q admitir a realidade.
So the program is basically a matrix that receives mathematically random mutations when jumping from one generation to the next. And the result is amazing complexity that came about with no designer except a selection process. Darwinistic evolution, basically.
I feel bad for Dendi. Everybody, including him, knew going in that the bot was impossible for a human to defeat. 1v1 SF with those rules is constrained enough that there just isn't room for innovation to beat a robot that has optimized its play to that degree. I know this was about showing off the OpenAI 1v1 bot, not for real competition, but setting it up in this way just made Dendi look bad.
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Add this bot to Dota 2 and add it when a player dcs
Ez win
troll team = wining team
new meta for 5 man stacks, have 1 person instantly abandon.. ez mmr.
EZ win
I was expecting Dendi play on all star match but this was more than i was expecting
add "im not a bot" recaptcha to beat the ai
This remind me Kasparov vs Deep blue 20 years ago
Sad part is bot knows only SF
If that bot knows Invoker then by god "IT'S A DISASTAH"
I think they can do invoker but that would be ridiculously unfair because the skills would be casted lightning fast.
imagine invoker bot with agh and.... you know
Fengxian it would be the same as fighting dark moon invoker with lvl 1, 625 gold and no teammate.
Invoker is even more unfair. His reaction time and thinking process(what skills to use right now), same as uptime of wrong spheres(those, which you need to cast a new spell) would be way better.
I'm pretty sure bot who teached itself to play Invoker would eventually become Dota-Ultron.
This is pretty cool, it has very small variables, so it's easier to learn, so It would be very interesting to see how it can be done when it's a normal 5 vs 5.
now it's done
@@BackpackBattlesTV the 1v1 wasnt normal, as the hero pool was severely limited
@@Aperturee he s talking about the 5v5 vs og. Open ai played and won against OG
@@scipug3048 He isn't because at the time of when he wrote his comment, the OG vs OpenAi match didn't happen.... Even if he was, the match wasn't normal as it had ridiculous restrictions.
@@Aperturee he wrote it 7 months ago... the game happened years ago. But yes the game had a lot of restrictions and the ai had a few flaws that got exploited by other teams.
I want to see a livestream of 5v5 OpenAI bot, starting from scratch, for a month straight.
Legend... dendi got no team and still play at ti7
I'd love to see a match between Faker and OpenAI bot in LOL
TI7 = Dendi vs Bot
TI8 = Team vs Team of Bots
TI9 = World vs Terminator
Sebastian torres ortiz TI10 Bot team 1 vs bot team 2
This is true..
Hi from the future. Instead the AI learned to do our homework for us and is preparing to take jobs. BUT it did get really good at Doto as well
Just think having this Ai play for your account...you'll be the first 15k mmr in no time
I think Valve is planing to add this AI to their bots
marvin abolencia we can practice with this
good luck winning though
marvin abolencia ya hahahaha
so please Valve add this AI to your games Left Dead,Team Fortress 2,CSGO,and maybe Half Life
Presenting TI8 winners Team OpenAI!
play with bot->bot improves->you improve->bot improves etc
is it way for infinite improvement?if it does here comes new age of mid mircroskilz
bot will always win u in microskills
imagine bot meepo microskill, simutaneously 5 meepo farming everywhere, u meet one u dead
old dota 1 bot meepoo is like 5 different bots with medium skill but it still nasty though hahaha
the cycle of OpenAI: the bot beats you -> the bot improves -> the bot beats you -> you play passive bots instead to recover your self-esteem
-> passive bots beat you -> uninstall dota
the hell hahaha if a passive default bot even beats you then you really need a ten years of practice
If Dendi can't, no one can. At least he killed it, which no one else did.
Anyway, I'm sure he could do it with more practice. Dendi is the GOAT.
It was first with 2 kills wins so it was worth it for the bot to die at the same time with a score of 1.
Imagine a team of these bots.
Good stuff. However, I do not think 5v5 is really going to come anytime soon. Im sure they can crush lanes, but general game decision making has a much larger degree of entropy (is that the right word) and has a lot more factors involved. Could execute some push strats for sure though. We'll see, good practice for the players anyways.
It's a learning AI, not the usual program "what to do type" of bot.
As they said and developers are only working on bug/glitch fixes.
Their only job is to make sure it do not get stuck, and play a non ending game.
All they did is input the game rules, then the bot decides what to do on its own without any developer interference.
I just wonder what kind of a computer runs this bot. I really hope it can't be run on a normal computer cause other wise, it would be easy to just crush the lanes with this bot and than overtake mid game winning easily.
these bots can not just play better, but they have almost no reaction time and can calculate precisely not just guess. With 5 bots angainst 5 pros these advantages add up and the bots are going to crush the pro team.
The more variables there are the more chances there is that bot miscalculates. This is why runes/shrines/smokes are forbidden. In a 5 vs 5 game, there are too many variables, at least at the moment for the bots to handle. However in theory in a year or two, team of bots would probably beat even the best, most coordinated, most talented dota 2 team.
You guys have no idea how programming works do you.
Show how the bot moves the cursor!
́ It doesn't lol
what cursor
yah thats right we will know if the bot is really bot if we can have the game file downloaded and watch the player perspective.. Bots dont really have a player perspective shown so if we saw the bot doing right clicks and hero checking then there is a chance that it is not a bot.. it is a damm player !!
Kuya Wilvene If it is a player it has beaten most of the dota pros
If it was a person it wouldn't have won all it's matches
14:40 "If any audio wizard could make it so I can hear Dendi in my ear, maybe we could have a proper conversation."
Oh I don't know, try putting that earpiece in your ear genius?
rulse: 1) don't do anything complex, 2) only use basic abilities that bot can use faster and more precise then you
Put two of those BOTS against each other!
the buff chunky guy's serious demeanor at the beginning had me laughing loud and different
It is very natural that the player loses due to the environment he is in and the pressure on him. If he came across while playing comfortably at home, a different game would be watched.
Can't wait to see it play 5v5 and with some high APM hero like Invoker or Meepo. A Meepo with perfect map and situational awareness? Terrifying.
Holy snaps, yo! The homie connected the USB on his first ffffing try. 😱
waow! look at dis highly programmed AI I just found while my bots in practice stand there watching that one ward near roshan for like... the entire game
Imagine if TI teams are gonna matchup against 5 bots like this before they become the TI champions
wow
Papparazi? Miracle? 1v1 finalists? No? Ok...Hotel?trivago
at least dendi can talk on stage
It doesnt matter which player, RTZ sf is better than all of them ans he still lost.
x2ceyez RTZ lost 10 out of 10 times. The other top players won't do any better.
On that note, doesn't really make sense for that minor tournament they're holding to find the first 50 to beat the bot..kinda seem impossible lol
i think what they actually do is improving the bot even further to a greater height. during those matches with rtz cncc and others, the bot was surely improving but maybe the dev just set the parameters to where the bot achieved before it played against those pro players.
+hilmanic28 ??? Pajkatt won him 1 time. Though he abused the bot. He was holding mango in courier.
I think OpenAI could demolish a 5v5 using Meepo.
The future is here, prepare for *Dotonator*
so games of bot vs bot are what we are going to watch in the future?
dendi .... u r unforgettable story ....for real i miss this guy
This is TI7 when Dendi appears on a match that is not the tourn
i hope in the future they can remove all the restriction of the ai.
You really want Terminator...aren't you ?
nobody wants to build things that they can't control man
yea man, can't wait for that 5v5 match. I wanna see how these bots handle in a 5v5
They wanted to take the RNG of runes out of the game. Make it purely mirrored. Idk about soul ring..
EnVisionCinemaHD I think it's actually because soul ring changes things drastically. Suddenly a huge boost of mana and less health. Same as them banning magic block. Because it would take so many iterations for the bot to figure out what the hell is happening.
damn i remembered watching this in the tv on live, aaahhh golden time of dota 2...
the thing with this type of Bot is that good players will become pro in no time, its like having a pro coach at home, nobody can beat that, new pro players will rise from that training eventually.
Its so sad now dendi is just a gimmick #feelsbadman
Oppa Dendi, forever.
Ikr... They brought him in just for to promote something
Atleast he gets mentioned as a veteran of the dota history.
That pissed off dude I forgot his name, lost 10-0 to the bot. Dendi at least won. :)
Uh.... no, Dendi got rekt too. He just didn't bother playing 10 games against it
Machine: if any audio wizards can make it so I can hear Dendi
*Earpiece is out of his ear*
This is the first step of starting the "Terminator era"
I think the question he was looking for was "How many game samples does the bot work with?". That's a much better question. I'd guess it would need something like a million matches, considering the complexity of the strategies it came up with.
a million 10 minute matches equates to roughly 19 years of dota non-stop
John Abramo The guy clearly said 2 weeks. Just do the calculation and you'll find out the exact number.
But the games weren't played in real time. In a project like this, you need to play several matches per minute to in order to get a decent result in a manageable time. I trust that they ran the simulation non-stop for two weeks, but that does not equate to one week of dota non-stop (which equates to roughly 1000 matches of 10 min. each). I think that it's reasonable to assume that they had multiple computers running on multiple threads during these two weeks, doing about 100 matches per minute or maybe more.
Now put a bot vs a bot
They should have had Dendi play again for the third time, but anything-goes this time (disregarding the "rules" like no bottle and no jungling). I think that a bottle crowing at the very least is an essential part of not only an SF mid only 1v1 but also a lot of other mirror 1v1 matchups as well. And who knows, the AI might even get better by learning how to work around these "rules".
One very big thing we are forgetting is the last rule:
If at ten minutes there is no advantage in kills or tower, the game would be decided by creep score.
Bots do not use items very well it seems.
Also i feel like the best strategy to win this bot is staying passive, trying to get a Eul. and then trying to burst it with ulti
Well, if this kept for almost 10 min until the Eul possibly could be, because the gold income of dendi was so low, and spent on salves, that the SF bot could push the tower so fast
Razes from the tower are good enough to defend for ten minutes, I think. Again, I did not play it, but i'm certain the key to winning the match up is buying items which have effects, so the bot has problems reacting.
that bot can calculate the actual distance upto exact numbers while humans have to approximate that using speed and direction of movement etc factors like for sunstrike, hook and arrow
1 unit to control. Perfect mechanics. Yeah the bot has got mirror 1v1 in the bag. It'll take more time for the 5v5
Keep up the good work guys (i.e.Neil)
But is it better than Slacks' DendiBot 3000?
@10:50 "A Team of Ten Dev's" Yet there is 11. As many of you haven't noticed one of them is a human like robot who knows how to wave.
Well this is the end of humanity boiz
Who would you gentleman put your stake on? Dendi vs ChatGPT
I hope we can have that AI in bot games. Hardcore mode.
I am legitimate scared now. Skynet is here
"Bot, giff me creeps!"
Knowing how these things work I would try drag the match out as long as possible because these bots have far more experience in winning short games then longer ones.
Skynet rises PogChamp
More intense that liquid vs VP
It would need to play so many more games to learn each character, each lane in a 5v5, it would need to learn about the bottle, randomness, etc.
TheGreatRakatan it's easy 1v1 with bullshit restrictions, as soon as you add more players it's going to fall apart
Molly House Those restrictions are basic 1v1 tournament rules numbnut.
Plus, they have a year to come up with the team. They can just great a few dozen of the same Ai and run them on their own at the same time for a few months. Then pool the knowledge acquired together into one Ai then make 5 copies of it. It's definitely plausible.
Well those late night 5 bot stacks might of just become scary :O
How good is thus Dendi guy, I know nothing about DotA? Who are either best players?
Next TI, Valve will set an AI team against the final team for the winner takes all money. AI wins = Valve takes all the winning money = ez Bugatti for Gaben.
Wait till Rick Sanchez makes his own bot it will gain consciousness
He's too busy programming interdimensional farts to tinker with this bullshit
More entertaining than the games themselves.
LUL
not even true
Just wait until the bot learns how to smurf.
Imagine a bot controling a robot army that has learned from thousands of millions of simulated wars against itself. Now imagine such a bot fighting against our world. We're all dead.
This Bot can Win TI No joke!!!
Aomine Daiki lol, look at the fucking rules no bottle no raindrop
WutFace
mhafizh nursyahid LuL
they did say it was just a 1v1 bot and they are making a5v5 next
Its just the start they will evolve with time
They taught it to play sf vs sf. No other hero, let alone strategies and team comps
He's getting the goofballs
dendi says : " Next time bring other hero to try? i need PUDGE, not shadow fien..."
how to participate in this openAI challenge? 50 sf arcana for the 1st 50 people to win over the bot right?
What if the bot becomes so smart it stops playing dota and takes over the world
I'd trade 4 of my teammates for that bot.
Can we get open ai bot?
Open AI has more devs than the TF team lol
I wish the bit would be in DotA in a custom game or so. 1v1 mid against this bot. I would have the chance to become better :)
I want to see the OpenAi bot vs OpenAi bot
The Legend Dendi ❤
YajirobeFromDC condensed to a USB drive? TIGHT
the thing is. bot can use potion while side step and harass at the same time. with keyboard there's input delay. sometime you try to use potion while click other things wont work. its mechanical problem where as ai dont have the barrier. they are able to precise hit target base on their math calculation perimeter. those are the biggest advantage and not their strategies
the Open AI did have limitations such as a 200ms reaction time to make it more fair to the human players.
@@synystera that doesn't changed thing as much as it still able to precisely execute commands, move hero and courier simultaneously while last hitting as a natural robot can do. The instructions sets is already queue. If you speed the game pace 10x it can easily execute commands. While human struggle to follow their hero with their eyes.
@@BlueRice no estan en cola los conjuros 😂🤣🤣, es una IA basada en un red neuronal, no una IA basada en programación clasica.
Es lo más parecido a cuando Kasparov jugó contra la máquina jajajaj
why not miracle
dota2 golden days
I mean of course an AI would win in 1vs1 because it has no lag or response time delay... it literally LIVES in the game :D
This Bot Isn't even close to being fair Its Legit Made to counter Pro players and not miss Any denies
Of course the AI would be good at narrow skills like positioning and balancing health vs damage.
How about Yaphets?
Wow to think being a surgeon could also be made redundant.
The only winning move is to not play
I don't know how this game works, but this is still pretty interesting to me.
TEAM "OpenAI" is gonna win next TI8
That moment right there was when I knew a new era of AI was coming.
I thought of ogre with agility on tower and stun near tower and autoattack+salve at the same time from back to block him. Suicidal but i think it would do the trick...
LE: I rewatched it and i don't think that another hero is pick available ...but still
How about YaphetS?
Dendi ja era. Passou a epoca dele. Ele foi um grande jogador, fez história. Dono de um carisma imenso. Talvez nunca apareça alguem como ele em questao de fama, mas em quesito jogabilidade ele morreu. Acho ruim pois sou um grande fan, mas temos q admitir a realidade.
Are you stupid? The bot also beat prime sumail in mid
Bunch of proud nerds heralding in the apocalypse >:)
ye i can see a robot police man not trying to help a old lady to see if is better for him
well now i feel safer in my tesla autopilot
Winning mid is quite far from "good bots" but it is a quite good start.
Dendi would of won if he played Pudge LUL
So the program is basically a matrix that receives mathematically random mutations when jumping from one generation to the next. And the result is amazing complexity that came about with no designer except a selection process.
Darwinistic evolution, basically.
I feel bad for Dendi. Everybody, including him, knew going in that the bot was impossible for a human to defeat. 1v1 SF with those rules is constrained enough that there just isn't room for innovation to beat a robot that has optimized its play to that degree. I know this was about showing off the OpenAI 1v1 bot, not for real competition, but setting it up in this way just made Dendi look bad.
But those are the standard rules for 1v1 tours.
I know that, but so what? Everything I said is still true.
Still the face of Dota 2
kind of stupid that it has to be SF. in a 1v1 its just about always whoever gets the first kill/early CS lead
It's like your 2kMMR can have better CS and kill against Dendi.
actually sf due to so high damage with nukes is quite fair hero, as yoy can get back from cs lead. except bot wont let you cuz hes better at razing