Why Do MTG Players Hate The Pauper Format?
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
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I think the secret sauce of Pauper is that it’s the last format remaining that WotC isn’t actively designing cards for. Commons are designed with limited in mind first and foremost, and the cards find their way into Pauper organically, just like how eternal formats used to work before WotC started using Commander products and Modern Horizons to work around standard and print cards directly into them. Because of this, Pauper has mostly managed to dodge the worst effects of power creep, and still feels like “Magic as Garfield intended.”
So, I for one am glad that things like Cranial Plating can happen. The fact that it got printed despite likely needing to be banned in Pauper right away shows that WotC is still designing commons for limited first, and the fact that Gavin gave us the heads-up that the Pauper panel will be watching closely and ready to emergency ban it shows that they do care about the health of the format. Everything about this situation is a great sign for the continued health of Pauper. Anyone who hates on the format just because they assume commons = uncompetitive is missing out. Their loss.
I believe some cards are specifically designed/downshifted for pauper, but the thing is the critical mass of wotc shenanigans has not been reached (and hopefully will not be), because of your correct assesment - the cards must work in a limited environment as well. But things like circuit ninja or swiftspear downshift I believe to be intentional
Based take 🙏🏾
People don't like people having fun for the cost of a half eaten ham sandwich when they spent their mortgage on 2 cards and they are still not happy.
I'm building my first proper Pauper deck and I'm making it almost entirely out of foils because it puts the price up by pennies per card
This seems like the big reason.
Pauper was described to me as the closest thing you can get to playing magic back in the day. It has power but is paced.
Then whoever described Pauper to you didn't play "back in the day." 😂
@@Xoulrath_ So, what format is the closest you can get to playing back in the day? Do enlighten us.
I think there are certainly similarities, tho I've only played for a couple of years. Both pauper and magic back in the day have poor creatures but crazy noncreature spells
@@Cybertech134 that doesn't really exist anymore, dude. Even if you're someone who can afford Legacy decks, or even just proxy them or proxy Vintage decks, that game doesn't exist anymore.
It effectively hasn't existed since the 6th Edition rules changes. I'm not here to argue which ruleset is better, because that's personal preference. That said, the game was considerably different with regards to the stack (there was one, but not really), and as such, it played differently.
On top of that, the power creep alone, even with it being managed pretty well over 30+ years, simply doesn't allow for the same game as Magic was in the 90s to be played today. Pauper decks, with the right draw, can compete with $1,000+ Modern and Legacy decks. Pauper has access to cards being printed in Commandsr product that still don't exist even in Modern. The things that those cards allow you to do, like Initiative, is NOTHING like Magic was back in the 90s.
I'd say that if you're really trying to replicate the play of the game in its earliest form, then your best bet would be to play Premodern, and then find and use the 5th Edition ruleset. Even Premodern without that ruleset still doesn't have that same style of gameplay.
@@Cybertech134 I would argue Limited. But that's looking at somewhat different idea of what 'back in the day' was like: when print runs were small and the secondary market (while still around) wasn't fully established and rather inconsistent, so most people were still largely playing with what they could open or trade for instead of just buying an optimized tier-1 deck off a dealer.
I think it is fine that cranial plating was printed. I don't find myself upset at wotc for printing it but it is fine to just ban it. I think people are making far to big a deal out of this.
*cranial ram
Love Pauper. My favorite 60 card format. Low barrier to entry, interactive play, and streamlined gameplay.
Couldn’t say it better
Lol, the most boring and repetitive format
@@SnkHetzcry more 😢😢😢
@@SnkHetz Objectively wrong, massive L take
It'll be an L when you can consistently fire a tournament. Most places can't scrape a consistent playerbase together.
I don't even play pauper but i still fully acknowledge it as a format. Magic is just built that way. Formats are competitive by nature, since it's a game. The seriousness of it is in each play group (FNM, kitchen table, RCQ, PT, etc). Keyboard warriors will always try to step on others to scratch a superiority itch. Leave the toxicity behind and let's just play a game.
*Plays 4 Archive Traps*
"But but muh fetches"
the thing that's wild is that in my magic playgroup, everyone primarily plays Legacy, Vintage, EDH... and Pauper. It's funny that comment said it's people running from costs. Bruh, we have some pretty expensive decks, but we play pauper weekly because it's FUN.
Also one of my friends built a wild Abzan deck for pauper that can get goliath paladin out immediately and run with the game with initiative... with COMMONS. It was absolutely wild to see.
I play pauper. I’m not upset about cranial ram’s printing. It will get banned. Might as well be an uncommon. They don’t design cards for pauper, and I think the format is better because of that.
Edit cuz I took a break halfway through: I AGREE!!! Pauper is like pure magic without the payoffs in a way that makes you just play the game. You go to a tournament and will spend eight hours playing the game. Commander feels like a dice roll, modern is so fast, pauper takes its time and lets you enjoy just playing magic.
Funny. The only kind of magic players I've encountered are those who think pauper is a great format, and those who are indifferen to it. Never seen it be hated and don't understand why anyone would 🤔
i like how people complain pauper to be a "small liddle format" when it is the 3rd most relevant competitive format, and the 2nd healthiest competitive format
Just curios which is the 1st place in health?
@@danielpreciado3397 Pioneer, imo
Lol
@@SnkHetz Wow good point, you sure showed him!
@@85inexactWow good point, you sure showed him!
Some magic players hate the pauper format because they don’t like the fact that a deck that is 100% cheaper than theirs was able to beat their super expensive deck and getting embarrassed by cheap synergistic cards
@@Lord_lost13 Should have named it something like "Essentials". Heck, "Commons" format would have been okay
Pauper commander is one of my favorite formats. I love sitting down with my play group and asking is it cool if I run a pauper deck in the pod. I don't win often but I have fun everytime and show them just how strong commons can be.
This man did not say one lie, this format is the only one I play and it is so fun no matter what you do, competitive, brewing, it’s great
I feel like people who say that Pauper can't be a real format because the cards are affordable are basically saying Magic the Gathering is a pay to win game. The thing I enjoy about Pauper is the fact that the decks are affordable. It means rather then worrying about spending a ton of cash on building my deck, I can spend the time to learn my deck. Learn what my cards do, learn the interactions and just play the game. Now I don't play pauper that often (because I just never make the time and not that many places near where I live run Pauper events) but at least I know that if I need to upgrade my pauper Boros Synthesizer list that it isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg to make the necessary changes. Also it's 2024 and I live in Ontario, shit is already expensive as it is, do I really need to add a high cost to my hobby even if I want to compete in events?
I love pauper.
I think it puts people off because it lacks flashy plays when compared to Commander shonen-anime-like huge wombo-combos your mom comes running to tape when you're pulling them off.
On a personal note: Me looking for a way to make my ramshackle mill deck work in pauper is the sole reason I stumbled upon your channel.
Preach brother!
Honestly the printing of cranial plating is such a beautiful reminder of how great pauper is. My point is twofold: it’s printing represents that format doesn’t have sway over cards coming into it and the amazing PFPs response show that the people making banlist decisions are active and care. Like that’s the ideal scenario for me. I don’t want cards printed for pauper, I just want good bans and active communication, which Gavin and the rest of the PFP have given us in spades :-)
And yeah cranial is way way too good, I can’t wait to play it for one event haha
It's the name and it's always been the name.when people say hear pauper it makes them see the format as lesser
I tell people all the time id rather play my pauper elves over modern elves anyday, pauper is so strong and interactive!
Priest of Titania for the win.
I absolutely love pauper. It’s basically all I play. The only downside I’ve found is coming up with the time and resources of keeping all 27 of my decks up with the meta.
Edit: Affinity is my true main deck and it saddens me of how often the deck takes ban hits. Like I’ve gone through every pauper ban that instead of updating my affinity deck, I leave that version of the deck as it’s own thing and just rebuild a entire new affinity deck from the new meta. So I have like 6 affinity decks sitting on my shelves as a representation of that time of pauper meta.
Edit2: I always tell people pauper *feels* like 2015 modern. The power level, the way games play out and how decks evolve.
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I think I compared the Cranial Ram to Cranial Plating on the last video, but I might have come across as making it seem less dangerous so I feel I need to clear things out.
Cranial Ram is absolutely insane and might need to be banned, but I still want a while to play with it in Pauper just to see HOW busted it is. Maybe we read too hard into it and it's actually quite fine in powerlevel, or if it's so broken that the entire format warps into something from a horror flick. I suspect the latter.
Afterall, affinity has had a long history of continously adding cards to the banlist.
I absolutely agree that the format gets a lot of useless hate.
Some of my most enjoyable games have come from pauper and I find it really sad and unfortunate that people rather hate on it than giving it a chance.
I mean, non-sanctioned, bo-ban-list pauper play with friends and acquaintances who are cool with it is still on the table.
@@MelanieOh I actually prefer the strict rules, tournament play... but playing with friends is always a blast! Especially if there's beer and gin nearby!
@@MelanieOh100%
Arcum’s Astrolabe may be busted in competitive play, but it’s the perfect card to add a bit of juice to the Acid Trip and Snow Teachings decks I keep in my “pauper” collection.
Also, I would KILL for better pauper paper support. I'm an ex-Modern competitive player, and before Modern an ex-Standard competitive player (2012-2017), Pauper is filling a great hole of comp Magic for me.
As ex commander player, no. You dont want any wotc "support" it is devil gift
My bf and I play Pauper twice a week. We drive out 40+ minutes for it and we always have a blast. Our little Pauper community has grown a lot over the year I've been blessed to be a part of it. We used to get ≤8 people every week. Then it suddenly jumped to us getting enough for 4 rounds. For the last two weeks, we've gotten enough for 5 round tournaments.
Such a fun format frfr. I love being able to have so many decks for it. It ensures you won't get bored of constantly piloting the same thing every week. You can keep things fresh without breaking the bank. It's my favorite format and everyone should give it a try.
I prefer a zero ban list for pauper common only in paper form
As someone getting into Pauper from kitchen table Magic I absolutely agree. Hating on Pauper is unwarranted and just plain dumb. It’s awesome for someone like me who doesn’t want to spend 1000€ (and upwards) on a deck and despite that I can still be competitive in this format, and don’t even get me started on how good Pauper is for brewing your own decks!
I tried to get people in my city try the format out, but no one wanted to give it a chance. I asked them why, and one of them even said that he didn't want to play pauper as there aren't any expensive cards. Not strong cards - expensive.
I don’t think there’s that much toxicity, it might appear that way because your content is based on inflammatory discussion topics. There’s nothing wrong with that, but if you’re going bring up topics in a video to spark debate then don’t be surprised when people argue.
Will definitely acknowledge this has a role to play, however that doesn't mean people can just be objectively wrong about Pauper as a format in my comments for free LOL
@@ThatMillGuyShaf Yes they can. They don’t view it for free, they provide you views.
I agree that they are wrong I even downloaded MTGO in high school just to play Boros bully with battle screech.
You chose to make this content, and these are the consequences for it. Either accept that or change what you make. All social media services, UA-cam included, are designed to polarise people. You chose to lean into that design and make inflammatory content (albeit the least biased and most open to conversation I’ve seen which is great) using the views that generates to your benefit.
I’m also not saying you can’t respond to and critique these things but do it with the respect they declined to show you. I’m certain this is not an accurate reflection of you as a person, but you have chosen in this video and comment section to come across as a self-entitled, blow hard. Getting angry over obvious petty insults and stooping down to that level. If that’s what you want your image online go ahead. but if not try to reflect on this.
Also why talk about this vacuous comments if there is nothing to critique except a personal attack. Nothing is said except insults and pointless arguing. Why stoop to their level, your better than that.
Overall, you chose to make content promoted by drama on platforms designed to bring the worst out in people. Why act surprised and frustrated at this obvious result, it’s the current basis of your channel.
I used to love Pauper, and I played Elves the whole time. Personally, I dropped the format because the downshift and power creep of commons made it impossible to play what I want. All that Glitters and Fiery Cannonade being dropped down to common ruined my favorite Pauper deck, and since then End the Festivities made board wipes against my favorite deck cost 1 mana. The fact that they print all these more efficient Affinity threats and interaction and don't give the board dependent decks something to fight back really highlights for me the issues with current card design that makes the format no longer enjoyable for me. I've tried other decks but none of it is enjoyable. My favorite game of Magic I've ever played was an elves mirror match in Pauper, and I'd love to have more experiences like that, but Pauper doesn't seem like it will ever be that again.
I'm just coming back to MTG after quitting 20 years ago, and all these formats are new to me. Modern feels like the best format, for me. But I also plan on making 10 pauper decks, 1 for each 2 color combo.
Personally, my only issue with Pauper is that there seem to be a large number of evangelists in the format. Constantly preaching at me about how it is actually the best and most skill intensive format because there are no bombs. I think the format is fine, but I like Pioneer the best. I have met several Pauper fanatics who lose their minds and want to argue with me about why I am wrong which is just plain obnoxious.
Pauper players are the most annoying people in mtg community, they are fanatics of UW familiars mirrors
The pauper advisory group doesn't have any say in what cards get printed or downgraded when WotC releases new products.
I believe that's a good thing, common's are important for a sets limited format and that should be higher priority in design consideration.
If cards are printed that are too powerful, that is when the advisory group will step in and ban a card. I'm personally in favor of not pre-banning any cards, but it's nice to know that they are acknowledging the power of this card.
I think those who say pauper isn't a real format, that it isn't competitive just don't really understand it as a format. It's as valid as any of the competitive formats out there.
Did I hear you mention Toronto? I'm an hour outside of TO and I've been trying to get steady pauper groups for more than a decade. It's the most fun format that almost everyone can have access to play. I just wish there were more consistent people these days.
Yeeee In Toronto, I wish this city had a bigger pauper scene
Agreed! We need a paupergeddon here! How do we push this? 😂
I love pauper. Unfortunately, our local scene kinda died out, but one of the guys that used to play still brings dimir control on commander night. Always fun to get a game of pauper in every once in a while.
We've had some fun games where we play pauper dimir control vs modern murktide. Way closer match up than you might think.
Pauper on MTGO was the best. I even made pauper commander decks on MTGO. Just made a real life all uncommons and uncommons Commander deck.
WHY ARE WE STILL ENTERTAINING ARTIFACT LANDS. Plating, Glitters Atog, Prophetic Prism, and now Ram are not the problem. The problem has ALWAYS been Artifact Lands. Banning cards around this mechanic is toxic as hell.
Pauper is the shit. anyone saying otherwise has never played it.
Load bearing "the"
Maybe the Pauper Panel doesn't design cards, but it would be helpful if the "people's format" could get some reprints (at common or uncommon) of the highly desired cards like Lotus Petal.
Agreed. Pauper is the most skill-based and rewarding format I've ever played since I started back in '99. But I'm definitely a commander hater so I probably suck because of that according to your points here. I just think it's completely taking out the real competitive nature of the game and those players that come into the pauper community spew BS thinking they know what they're talking about and they don't.
Pauper might be the most intimidating format cause on surface it looks easy but it's actually the deepest format. I love the idea of pauper but my meta has so much heat it scares me from sleeving up for it. It's probably tied with pioneer in my interest to play it at 3rd. If I had a paper standard environment here a again I drop to much money to play paper standard. But pauper looks significantly more interesting then modern to use my white border bolts.
I think the reason people hate pauper is they see people having fun for cheap while they spend 1000+ on a deck
I have no idea why people hate on Pauper. It is way more powerful than people realize with access to cards that Modern doesn't get. I have a Pauper Reanimator deck that can very consistently on Turn 1 go Swamp, Dark Ritual, Swamp Cycle a Troll of Khazad-Dum and Exhume the Troll onto the battlefield for a 6/5 uber-menace creature.
Honestly if I had people to play pauper with and a deck that calls to me I’d be playing rn
pauper is my favorite format! as someone who played mtg since the very beginning it reminds me most of og mtg as far as card types, power level, game play etc…
Your short about pauper affinity vs modern is what got me interested in 60 card again. Thank you.
I do think your statement about people that don't like pauper was a little strong but you have had some strong comments thrown at you so I get it. I agree with the sentiment though.
Oof, i just played against dimir control this past weekend, so rough lol
This card is fringe modern playable but in pauper this seems like a slam dunk
my own opinion, I don't think power should correlate with the competitiveness of a format. I like pauper and feel it's competitive because people can play decks that they think are the best. When I play standard, pioneer or modern I play with decks I have access to and not what I think the best decks are.
I don't think anyone really hates pauper. Some people just like playing with their powerful rares/mythic. I also think people don't really FEEL like it's a real format. Not enough people play it, and it doesn't get enough attention as a played format. I used to play pauper, and it's fine. I played a grixis delver pile because I wanted to play blightning. It worked well enough, and I had a little fun, but there's just not enough people who play.
I recently built 4 casual pauper decks to take to a cottage with my friends. My stipulation is it had to be innastrad based and guess what? It was fun as hell. We sat out on the dock at the table and had a blast. Vampires vs werewolves vs humans vs spirits/ zombies. It was a great time for less than $40 and that’s where the hatred comes in. These idiots who have spent $800 to make a modern deck just to get stopped by Scam are mad that we can have a great time with very little investment. There is no wrong way to play magic but there is a wrong way to be a fan. Also if you live in Toronto, there is a store in Brampton who rocks pauper night
Pauper is my favorite format. It's not even because it's cheap, I spend a crap ton on mtg. It's just the most fun 60 card format.
Just got in Pauper, It is alot of fun. Currently playing Golgari Delve and Selesnya Intiative
I love pauper it’s a fun format to brew the most wild stuff in
I love pauper so much, when the wife and I started playing Lorcana. I started thinking about cards in a pauper light. lol Because the game is so new they use Commons and Uncommons so more like Artisan.
So, with regards to the whole "Gavin knows more than you" section...
I get the inclination to believe this, because you're right, Gavin does know more than the average Reddit/UA-cam person who doesn't play competitively (but still says that "play" a format).
But with that said, WOTC has had some pretty whack bannings the last few years. I will die on the hill that Fury was a banning purely out of whining from the MTG community. Pros of all types have also agreed with this sentiment. There's precedent there that WOTC actually doesn't know what it's doing anymore with regards to format balance, at least less so than in previous eras.
Not saying Cranial Ram won't need to be banned, just saying that WOTC isn't infallible just because they make the game. Gavin himself doesn't even play competitively.
I'm thinking it comes down to commander: edh was a niche format and it ended up being a cashcow that killed modern and standard
I don't hate Pauper. I hate Commander.
People want to have powerful toys to play with. But not okay against it 😂
Pauper is in my hometown the last competitive format at the LGS. It was the only one that it speaked a bit to the casual audience a bit.
And you are right! There is no reason to hate pauper. I think that it's just envy...
Pauper is a bit boring, feels like you cant brew bc the decks are all solved
I've always felt it was underwhelming because you have some of the best interaction cards ever printed, quality lower curve creatures like mana dorks, squadron hawks, or low cmc aggro beaters, but with topend creatures like Ulamog's Crusher or Annoyed Altisaur. I would be a lot more interested if the format had some real bombs
I love Pauper format and i really don't understand this fuss about Cranial Ram, the card is easy to beat, has no evasion at all and it doesn't grow out of reach, it might be a 20/4 and still trade with a 4/4, it is a good card don't get me wrong, but it is not broken like the insta speed equip from cranial plating or the out of reach of All That Glitters, being a living weapon makes this a very good card but it is a 2 color card to tune it down.
Pauper is great because of the very wide range of powerfull cards and decks, there are so many viable strategies, so many crazy interactions, its great.
I am not playing pauper cause my scene is pratically a commander city and thats it. But i have seen a lot of content arround it and its an awesome format. The best thing that can happen for pauper is that wotc does not have his eye on it and push it. The push for commander comercially has been mostly negative i feel for the format itself and the other formats that it affects like standard modern and legacy. Making the eternal format soft rotate cause this card printed for commander in mind is now broken in modern and stuff like that.
I don't think you can design commons with both Draft AND Pauper in mind.
EDIT to add: I wish Cranial Ram was a 0/1 Creature Equipment with Cranial Plating's text and Reconfigure rather than a Living Weapon Equipment.
I think the problem with pauper is that the games. Just take so long. I often need an entire week to finish a pauper league. Still enjoy to play it, but it does get your fingers to hurt. Don't appreciate the namecalling of people not prefering to play pauper over other formats most of the time. I always liked the variety of gameplay magic provides. This makes more people enjoy magic.People tweeting and commenting the things in the video are just trolls anyways. Dont give them attention.
Pauper doesn't care about your $85 cards. They will play 12 cards' worth $.86 cents and wreck your world.
Pauper is far and away, the best format. It blows my mind the reasons people make up for not playing it.
@@zikegladion6848 cope
Pauper is great, it's a surprising amount of fun and it definitely has a higher skill ceiling than people give it credit, I personally agree 100% with this video
That comment is crazy. Pauper is just as competitive
Ok so i will play devils advocate for cranial ram. Albeit with slight bias since i am a grixis affinity pauper player. I believe the card shouldnt be banned for a couple of reasons. 1. As already stated is that removal for the card is much more open for it. The toughness difference from all that glitters and ram makes red removal viable to kill the creature. It makes it so that gingerbrute csn be killed if need be if you arnt dead on board to it. Its also a red permanent in addition to being sn artifact so abrade and hydroblast can destroy it.
2. Unlike cranial plating theres no way to instant speed equip it for unblocking shenanigans.
3. The casting cost as well the equip cost are worse on end compared to both ATG and CP. Requiring colored mana to cast as well as 2 to equip are worse on rate, making thus card much slower to add onto the relevant bodies you want to put it on like flyers or gibgerbrute. This is where the argument is tricky because said equipment comes with a body so you are paying for a creature as well. But said creature has 1 toughness with the ram and dies if you want to reequip the ram to another creature.
I am not saying that ram is not on the ban list chopping board, but i think these 3 pts have weight that might make ram a powerful but dealable-with card in pauper. Its definly powerful and we did just ban ATG. But i think having a creature still die to relevant damage removal could make the card not be banned. Id at least like a week or 2 of testing to see if it breaks the format or if the 3 pts i put up here are relevant enough to make the card "just strong" and not ban worthy. Feel free to discuss pts against this. Im down for a civil debate on this topic.
what? last time i checked was the most loved format after commander
I love pauper❤ not to expensive, no mass anti-creature
100% agree, anyone who judges cards only by rarity and price is a trash player.
I wish people locally would actually play Pauper but it's all Modern and Commander.
So I only get to play Commander in paper, because Modern looks like such a dreadful format.
It's a cool format like the in-between from kitchen table to an actual competitive format.
Let me say this much and I hope I'm understood
Competitive magic can take place AT ANY BUDGET
Period
No if's, and's, but's about it
Just create awesome cards for new archetypes. Just like a UG +1/+1 counter hardened scales pauper or something, but not faeries, artifacts and value etb as always
People calling pauper not competitive is so goofy when paupergeddon, you know the highly competitive multi hundred attendance tournament attended by players like mengucci which is ran yearly, exists.
I play cEDH and love pauper. Liking one opposite end of the spectrum doesn’t preclude me from hating the other.
It's wild to me that cEDH is now considered the opposite end of the spectrum, not Vintage or Legacy. Dead formats.
I’d only say that I think it’s over blown because I want to play it longer than a few weeks or even play it all.
I will never forgive them for banning cloud of faeries
The fact that Andrea Mengucci commented on Gavin's tweet saying that he would like that card to be ban before Paupergeddon
Tldr : Few randoms hate on Pauper in UA-cam comments and Twitter. Who c.a.r.e.s
1:22 You don't equip all that glitters
Yeah dont know where all the hate stems from. Its easily the best format rn. I also agree it should show up on the pro tour sometime. Would lead to some of the funniest matchups and plays. The average pauper tournament has a ton of decks you weren't expecting.
Bro keep up the pauper content I love it
Pauper deserves more recognition and appreciation. Its limitations allow it to be both a very fun, relatively cheap format to play casually AND a highly competitive format with games sometimes ending as quickly as old-school vintage in the right hands. I don't get the hate for any given format, adults can and should be able to say, "I don't get it/it's not for me" and step away from a discussion.
To your point about curation in Pauper, it's the same as in any format, honestly: you're trying to build a good pile of cards and pilot them well. You can make a deck of all uncommons or rates or mythics and come out with an absolutely miserable, unplayable, high-loss experience, rarity in itself has little to no bearing on the quality of interaction, metagaming, player skill, or thoughtfulness that goes into deck building
I don't get why people care if they print a card like this. They already know it's probably going to be banned. People NEED to understand they will NEVER design cards with other formats in mind. Modern horizons was made for modern there is 0 considerations for other formats giving in card design. And this is a GOOD thing. Let WOTC cook guys have more experience making a success card game than every commenter complaining about cards combined. If it's banned who cares? Like seriously it won't affect the format at all at that point, why complain about something that already will be taken care of? It's childish and stupid.
I main grixis affinity in pauper and I definitely think ram should be banned on release
Saying a card is too good for its rarity and requesting it to be made harder to obtain to make room for a format intended to be powered down instead of just requesting it gets banned from said format is levels of wrong unique to MTG.
The comment was silly and not respectful at all, but I don't think this is an argument to be had. If a card is too good for pauper then the card should be banned or pauper players should make way for power creep. Yes the card is strong, yes it could be an uncommon, but the fundamental issue is not wanting change. Hear me out, we can't let the strength of the future 1000 commons be determined by how they effect a format meant to be more affordable and more toned down(standard and limited serve extremely important purposes so they get a pass). If the issue is with power creep I'm with you but this is just going to repeat for years to come if our issue is with commons. I say ban it in pauper and unban it when similarly powerful cards are released at common.
pauper > edh
Keep on hand 14 decks. pauper is the best magic format followed by premodern. But pauper is the best format
If I had a nickel for every pauper player I met who says that pauper is objectively the best format, pompously calls it legacy light, laughs at other players for owning expensive staples, or brings up the comparison between modern burn and pauper burn, I would have one for every pauper player I have ever met. Pauper players always seem to have a chip on their sholder, and it becomes a little tiresome.
Youst a thought about Cranial Ram, what if we try to go T1 with lotus petal and even simian spirit guide for the T1 play, can this be good if combined with free spells from black and maybe some evasive threats like the changeling that cant be blocked for (b) and maybe gingerbrute? Can this stupid idea even work? xD
Doubt it will be played at fast speeds. Not much benefit for an early ram. The last time speed cheating threats out with fast mana was with turbo initiative.
I agree it's good but personally I think they should ban the m10 plains
Ok fine...... I'll make some pauper decks
I want "vintage" pauper, all pauper legal cards and the banned commons restricted instead of banned.
Look into Pauper Commander maybe, the only banned cards are Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study.
My biggest concern right now is I feel like WotC doesn't understand Modern players. Instead of designing cards for Modern that are focused on tournament grinding, why not focus on cards that can make jank decks or rogue decks better? Like focus more on the play aspect of the game and not on ending matches quickly. Things like Scam, are not healthy for Modern. Nobody wants to be double thoughtseized on Turn One. How did this get approved at WotC? That was a huge mistake. But it is not just Scam but everything they are designing for Modern that irks me. I can tell the focus is in the wrong place. Nobody cares about the pro tour post 2020, so WotC needs to focus more on the fun of the formats rather than the pro tour. I've played Pauper in the past. It's fine. I'm not crazy about some of the changes WotC has made to the Pauper format, but it's not my favorite format, so it doesn't really concern me much. Where I live now, there isn't a strong Pauper community so I've moved on from the format.
Part of the problem is they have the reserve list they swore they won't reprint, that they are trying to reprint in slightly altered forms. So we usually get power crept versions of older cards, they don't comprehend how to rank them rarity wise leading to redic commons and uncommons and underwhelming mythics.
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They are too entitled to only play with commons. Pfff plebe.
It feels like a bunch of people are afraid of having some fun and being competitive for the low, low cost of going through the chaff and finding the good cards. Worst case, you can get a deck for under $30.
Pauper is so good ❤
Great take
only a dork hates a format they've never played. i wish pauper was available to me and my fellow mtga scrubs
tf is the comment rumbling about? in my city all pauper players also play other formats, I play modern primarely, then pauper, legacy and commander