Building and Benching a 2005 Gaming PC
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- In this video I show off my take on a gaming PC from 2005, and find out how it performs in some period-correct games.
Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
0:37 - Motherboard
0:54 - CPU
1:25 - Graphics Card
1:52 - Memory
2:07 - (Wonderful) Case
2:39 - Storage and PSU
2:51 - Booting the system up
3:18 - OS
3:33 - Testing Methodology & Overclock Settings
4:57 - Benchmarks
9:03 - Cinebench 2003
9:23 - 3DMark 05
9:45 - Post-Testing Discussion and Potential Improvements - Наука та технологія
For some reason youtube randomly started to recommend small channels but I'm not really complaining for this one. Great work.
Much appreciated man 🙏 Welcome to the channel!
Pretty interesting how we went from single core DDR1 systems in 2005 to quad core i7 DDR3 systems in 2008.
Things were evolving crazy fast back in those days!
If we count 6 core 12 threads i7 on LGA 1366 platform, it's even crazier.
That system is still totally usable today for some 2024 games, and even Windows 11 will run just fine. Would be even better if u max ram to 24gb and put 6/12 thread xeon ocd to 4ghz
2005: 1 core
2006: 4 cores
2008: 6 cores
in my 2005 build I am running an Opteron 180 and 2x 7800 GTX cards in SLI. Absolutely love this hardware era.
Almost the same here ! I could not afford this kind of hardware back then... so really a dream build.
- Opteron 154 (~= Fx57) But i used a 180 before that
- A8N-SLI Premium
- 1024 MB AData Vitesta DDR500
- 2x 7800 GTX 512 MB (huge clock bump VS the 256MB version. 2 slot cooler)
- Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum
- 2x WD Raptor in Raid 0
It's probably very close to the best hardware available strictly in 2005 so this does not reflects the overall experience we had with more budget oriented setups.
Bought a very similar rig in 2005, great times! The best part was that I was able to upgrade the CPU to a dual core 18 months later without replacing everything else! ❤
Can definitely appreciate the nice upgradability of Socket 939! I'd love to try a 64 X2 or Opteron on this system at some point 👍
NFSMW 2005..in a 2005 PC
finally, i can die in peace
I was using my Sonata II till 2016, it was and is a nice case.
This case was so nice I wouldn't mind using it for something modern if I had another one, and funnily enough I think the original owner of this case ran a modern system in there before I got it, there was a 3.5 inch USB 3.0 drive bay installed!
I was using a Sonata III until *last year* when I upgraded my PC and switched to another case for better airflow. I have my sonata I in storage and my sonata III has a different set of components in it in a pc for my gf.
A 50th video celebration PC demands a beautiful case and video card, and you nailed that. The PC performed solid enough, certainly better than my 754 3200+ and X800XL at the time. Buuut...where's the X-Fi and BF2 testing?!? ha 😉
Thanks, glad you enjoyed man 🙏 And I completely forgot haha, no 2005 build is complete without an X-Fi or Battlefield 2 😵Funny enough I think this card was even bundled with the game back in the day! And how was that 754 system to use back then, I think it still would have been pretty fast with those parts!
@@SPNG I was sufficiently happy with its performance. I had brought 1GB of DDR 400 (2x 512MB from Hynix) up from my Athlon XP 3000+ build though I added a 1GB stick from Mushkin sometime after that (I think all were 3-3-3-8 timings, but it's been "a while"...the Mushkin was because I have a pdf of the order from I ordered it in '06 from ZipZoomFly...I kept using it and a 2nd stick of the same when I switched to the 775-Dual-VSTA later). The Athlon 64 3200+ was not top of the line, but it was a nice step up from that Barton-based XP, plus, going from the 9800 non-pro to the X800XL was welcome as well. And, I never had any issues with the Asus K8N that I was using. I also didn't have an X-Fi though (but did play BF2, which is probably still my favorite in the series...or at leat most hours played ha): I still was bringing forward the Sound Blaster Live X-Gamer I bought years earlier...used it in builds until I got a Maximus Formula and used the SupremeFX2 that came with it. I'm still using (with Uni 3rd-party drivers) a Xonar Essence STX I got in 2010, so I'm not the most on-the-ball when it comes to sound card upgrades.
I have to admit that this particular upgrade was 100% motivated by World of Warcraft: I could manage to deal with the frame rates at first, and I knew I was privilaged to even have a PC that fast (and I had a Dell Inspiron 5160 laptop with a Prescott-based 2.8GHz Mobile P4 518 and 32MB GeForce Go 5200 I had bought while working at an paid internship too) since I friends (and family; even my younger sister played...and that was on an Athlon XP 2000+ [? maybe 2100+] and a GeForce 3 Ti200) playing on stuff as low as my roommate who had a HP pre-built with a low-end socket-478 Celeron with only PCI slots that he bought a PCI GeForce 4MX for so that he could play.
I have 16k screenshots from the game with a couple of dozen from there in the Feb '05 through summer '05 era when I was using the Socket-A system still, but not many of them have the FPS counter on...but of those that do, you are talking 40s-mid50s in open-world zones and sub-30 down to sub-10 fps in cities and Molten Core as the CPU was being choked by large groups of players and and the 9800 was dying on the sheer number of fill-rate eating effects...But, I upgraded when I got addicted to the mass, 40 vs 40, player-vs-player Alterac Valley battleground and my framerate was ugly and near unplayable at times.
After the upgrade, I definitely had better performance in WoW. By the screenshot sizes, it seems I stuck mostly to 1280x960 still after upgrading though I have a few 1600x1200 and and a just a couple at 1920x1440 (I used an Acer P211 crt) though only a couple of the 1600x1200 screenshots have the framerate counter on (47.3, 39.4, one where there's a lot of alpha effects at 10.3). At 1280x960 though, it seems I was much better than on the socketA+9800 with many shots (well, of the ones I actually had the frame rate counter up...which is probably only 1/5 or fewer) in the 50-60 up to mid-80s in less populous areas though even then I have a few raid shots in the teens and 20s, and one alterac shot with a few dozen players at 18.7fps (probably still pretty CPU bound). Of the very few screenshots I ever took with the fps counter on with the laptop, for comparison the Inspiron 5160 got in the mid-20s at 800x600, and that was in empty areas. I did do some dungeons and pvp on there, but I know it wasn't too hot.
Of course, I'm off on a tangent taking half of my lunch looking at random decade-and-a-half-old WoW screenshots instead of eating, so I'll leave it there. lol.
The "Need For Seed" at 7:14 followed by the "pee filter" was certainly a combination.
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Lol this WAS my PC in 2005, minus the ssd. Great times in computing. Case modding was kicking off, and the golden age of overclocking, imo.
You want either an A8N32-SLI Deluxe, A8RMVP Deluxe, DFI Ultra D or SLI-DR, or the hard to find Abit boards. 32 laned SLI / CFX boards are what you want if you're going for a high end board. If not, look for old 939 server kit. I've got a set of 5x 939 boards (actually building them up to sell), absolutely perfect caps because they used good caps on the server equipment, they overclock slightly, and the Opteron CPU's were WAAAAAAAY better than the Athlons were. I think the ones I scored had 2.6GHz dual core Opterons, 175's I think, and every single one of them overclocks out of the box to 2.8GHz easy, with up to 16GB of DDR400 (also something you could never have back in the day on consumer kit).
I just asked in my comment if DFI is still around to which you replied but now I gotta ask what about Abit ? I technically won an Abit board (forget what model but it had SLI support) for socket 939 but I missed when they called m number. I got to pick from a selection of lower tier goods but nobody was watching me so I'm grabbed a really expensive Linksys router and walked away real quick before anyone noticed. I also had an Abit Socket A board that was pretty good.
@@Gatorade69 Abit had financial troubles in 2005, and was bought up and closed by 2009. Per wiki. I knew they were dead, didn't know why. :)
Thanks for the tips! I might try out one of those boards if I can find them for a decent price on the used market. It didn't occur to me that you could use server gear for stuff like this as well, might be fun to try!
My favorite two cards from the pre-unified shader era are the 7900 GTX and the X1950 XTX, though the 7800GTX wasn't a slouch, either. The 1950 XTX was particularly interesting thanks to its 'weird' GDDR4. I guess you can call GDDR4 the "GDDR-X" of its time.
Anyhow, it's a shame these cards were quickly rendered obsolete (more or less) by the mighty 8800 GTX with more horsepower on tap than the 7900 GTX in SLI. It was absolutely ridiculous! Same goes to Conroe a.k.a Core 2 from the CPU side of things.
All in all, mid-late 2000s was a great time to be a PC gamer and I do miss that.
Love the competition from this era, that's why I'd say this is one of my favorite years in hardware! And funny enough that X1950 XTX also had a curious advantage over the 7900 GTX, actually aging well in later DX9 games. The G70 architecture was really not well equipped for games of the future, the performance gap between the two grow substantially when you test newer games! Around a year ago I did a video of the 7900 GTX vs an X1900XTX and I explain why that's the case there.
I always wanted an X1950 XTX but they are super rare these days on the used market
@@CHA0SHACKER Took me ages to find mine. You can get one at a decent price if you keep looking, but it's probably going to take months. Saved searches on eBay should help you out a lot there
keep up the great work :) you deserve many more subs
Much appreciated! 🙏
I built a ultimate 05 pc, a 2GHZ AMD x2 OCED to 2.3, 3GB of ram, a tsunami dream case from thermal take and (7950GT originally) upgraded to a 8800gtx
I ran an Althlon 4400 on a asus A8N sli deluxe with 2 6800 gs in sli, and a zalman reserator cooler. all housed in a thermaltake tsunami dream silver case. pcs were alot more personal back then :)
Love old Antecs, the Lanboy, Super Lanboy, 1080 - what great cases! edit: and the Sonata! It's interesting how Crysis on low doesn't look much better than Far Cry on high settings.
Disagree. I think Far Cry on high looks better than Crysis on low.
I actually agree!@@Gatorade69
@@supabass4003 I could be wrong but from memory I remember it looking a lot worse. Kind of like how I thought I could get Skyrim to look and run like Oblivion but even when I got Skyrim looking worse than Oblivion it still ran worse. I remember Far cry looking really good but Crysis on low looked a lot worse (and ran worse).
Also nice pfp. Kyle Katarn is the best.
My retro build is also based on the socket 939, but the agp variant, Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939, Athlon FX-60, Geforce 6800GT and 4x1Gb ddr400 random ram sticks. Back in the day I could only dream of this build, I remember having a skt 939 Athlon 64 3000+ clocked at 2.1ghz up from the 1.8ghz stock clocks with a Gainward 7300GT GLH ddr3 version and like 2Gb of ram. I did finished Crysis on that build, good old times... Socket 939 has a special part in my heart despite skt 775 being way more versatile and better cpu-wise. ❤
That's an awesome system! I just recently picked up a 939 board with AGP myself! I'm gonna use it to test my 6800 GT, the poor thing was getting bottlenecked like crazy by my 3GHz P4 Prescott.
Oh boy, you're really making me moist with these videos. Socket 939 is just peak comfy, great video. Don't be afraid to make the videos longer either, this is asmr for the retro lovers.
On the ram, I can see atleast one of your sticks are good, samsung LCCC and UCCC are great for 1gb ddr1 modules, often you can get 250-275mhz (ddr500-ddr550) at 3-3-3-8-1T with 2.7-2.8v with these and they are dirt cheap. OCZ and the like ddr500 2x1gb kits can be a pain to get a hold of these days.
I'd highly recommend going with a dualcore for socket 939 wit the full 2x1mb cache, available both with athlon x2 and opteron 165 to 185 line. Models doesn't really matter too much for overclocking, what you need to look for is the stepping code on the IHS. CCBWE will give you max around 2.6-2.7ghz with high voltage like 1.55v, CCBBE, LCB9E, LCBQE will more often than not give you 3ghz with around or slightly above stock voltage 1.35-1.45v.
If going with 2x512kb models, look for CCBIE/LCBIE for 3ghz.
CCB1E for single cores with full 1mb cache.
Glad you enjoyed the video! And yeah the RAM wasn't all that bad after all! Still not amazing or anything but it wasn't the terrible setup I had expected! I wonder if it could do DDR 500, when I tried a 250MHz FSB I couldn't quite get the setup to be stable, that might've been because of the CPU tuning though as I'm not great at 939 OC. Thanks for the CPU tips! I definitely want to try an X2 or Opteron at some point, they're a little pricey on the used market but I think I'll find something.
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I'll be home in a few days, I will look thru what I have, I should have a spare decent opteron and some good ram that I'm happy to donate, I'll get back to you.
@@tamw Definitely interested, that would be awesome!
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Not sure if my replies got thru, not showing up for me, but I msg you on the business inquiries.
@@tamw Apologies, I haven't checked the email in a hot minute! I replied, should be showing up now.
I'm planning on making a 2007 PC, nice video!
Thanks for watching! Also nice, what are the specs of your build?
@@SPNG I saw an Athlon x2 6000+, 2gb of Gskill ddr2 ram and a 3870 512gb, all new old stock, I think I'm going with that and then try to find the rest.
Awesome video! God bless!🎉
Much appreciated!
Great Video
Much appreciated 🙏
A cheap cooler swap has just killed my NF45ST -A9 Combo board, Socket Short on 12V so my overclocked 3400+ is going, I'm making a jump to the true upgrade i have wanted, a Foxconn Destroyer and Am3 Semprons after i bin them to get a mid 3s chip, i don't need a dual core chip so the power consumption and heat is just pointless stress on a chipset known to run hot. The Most Wanted benchmark looks better than what a system like yours and mine suffers from, the CPU is just too slow, in the later game im getting mid 60s but when cops, racers starting off the line, tiresmoke and high speed get thrown into the bowl, im getting huge dips from 50 ish into the teens, I ran more ram, a faster GPU than my 2600XT, still there.
So i've opted to make the most powerful single core rig i can as it'll be playing games from 2002-2006 and even in older titles like NFS underground the same mediocre performance and drops are still there, even settings being reduced can't save the noticeable drops and stutters, im trying to target 75fps as it matches the refresh rate of my monitor, i dont mind dips to the 50s but as soon as its in the 40s, the inconsistency is hard to focus on. Old engines of the 2000s need raw horsepower, sure the unreal engine and doom 3's engine run stupid well, easily getting mid 100s in UT2004, but this was a time where new games were being made, Farcry, Underground 1, Juiced 1, Crashday to name my favourites and they just don't run as well as what the rest of the hardware is capable of. Sure i used to play these on a Sempron 2800+/FX5200..it can be a LOT worse, but i think spending on other components just for them to all complain at the CPU means this HW upgrade has to happen.
I found that a "meh" A64 pairs well with a 6600GT and my 3400+ overclocked on a different board paired very nicely with a 7800GS, thats where i saw the CPU and GPU fight as to which was holding eachother back, but as the FPS wasn't as high with the 2600XT, those big dips were less noticeable, rather than 40fps drops it was 9-20, the larger being from the CPU. So i think your rig is a very good pairing but i need K10 and a platform/throughput jump to really take advantage and for how long i spent on my original hardware up until 2014..i think i've earned it. I don't mind low framerates, its the drops and stutters that grind my gears. Thats why i like to target a framerate and lock it. Less stress on these older components, happy me :)
had a very uncanny feeling seeing that case as i own that very case myself LOL
Hey mate, I got a 2005 Dell XPS 400, I was wondering if you could do a breakdown of it because well, it needs some...work.
Yeap.
I NEED to get my 939 build going, need to fet h that Opteron,darn it!!!!
Do it! 939 Builds are fun 🤩
No love for an Athlon 64 X2? Or the equivalent opterons that can be OCed very well?
The 3700+ is just what I had on hand, could have used an X2 but they were a little pricey for my liking on the used market, and since I tested under Windows XP I'd rather prioritize single core performance.
Antec Sonata. Nice case. I also had one.
I would have tried to find a DFI Lanparty for the motherboard, I also had one of those and it was an excellent motherboard. Whatever happened to DFI ?
DFI is still around, they make professional level kit now.
@@pio80085 Good they are still around but I miss their consumer level products. That Lanparty NF4 Ultra D was an awesome mobo.
I was a big fan of the Sonata 2 in my time using it! And those old DFI Lanparty boards seem to be really hard to find for a decent price, they're very cool though.
@@SPNG I've got two of the Antec Performance series (Chieftec Dragons). They made AMAZING cases back then. The Sonata 2, IIRC, was very very similar on the inside, just had a different front look to it. I think. You've already got a great mobo with that MSI K8N NF4. Pop a Opteron 165, 170, 175, 180, or 185 in there and have fun man. If you want to stick with single cores, shoot for an Opteron 148-152 instead. You can get 3GHz out of most of those chips easily with the board you have. Get a matching set of your good stick of RAM you have there, I forget which stick was the good one, and you'll have a fantastic setup! It's already a really great 04-06 build as is. Slap a dual core in there, it'll be suitable for soooo much more. Or at least have a chip on hand you can play with or something. :) Sorry, I absolutely LOVE Socket 939, and have a collection of every AMD build from the K5 to a 5800x (waiting on AM5 still). So this was SUPER fun to watch somebody else find the love of Skt 939. :)
A AMD Athlon x2 3800+ & overclocking it with some tower cooler on the cpu & a generic set of ram heatsinks probably works fine with a fan pointed or ontop of the ram with the pc laying on its side.
the vogons forum should have a trim tool for that ssd btw if pny's own tool doesnt work in windows xp.
That's a good idea for an upgrade, a lot of people have told me to get an X2 and I think might go for something like that at this point! And good to know that about the trim tool, I'll check on there and see if I can find it.
Awesome vid, my retro XP era build also has a 256MB 7800GTX. Great little card that can even sort of-kind of run Crysis.
Much appreciated🙏And nice, it's an awesome card for XP builds!
Cool!
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I think DDR2 might help out your performance for a 2005 build. Mine is running a P4 3.0 @ 4.32 and (not quite period correct) DDR2-1150 resulting in about 9400 points in 3dmark2005 with overclocked 7800 GTX 512MB and X1800 XT 512MB.
I would have tried something AM2 for DDR2 support but by that point we're crossing into 2006 territory!
evga made banger cards.
This 7800 GTX is one of my favorites... I think it's ahead of its time!
Is that just me,or the WAS a single chanel memory installation???
Why not dual-chanel??
Dual channel existed at that time but it's not something that every single gaming PC would have like today. IIRC not every CPU/Motherboard/Chipset supported that.
Dual channel was enabled during the testing! The slots are color coded the opposite way for some reason.
The 3700 is a pretty good overclock single core cpu but i would try to find a 4400 or 4600 X2 instead. Also a 7900 GTX should increase performance some.
I have an early 2006 upgrade video planned for this system as I might have some dual core goodies and some fast RAM coming in from a viewer soon. I think they'll provide a great upgrade there, going to spend a lot more time tuning as well. Funnily enough I tried a 7900 GTX in this system and for whatever reason it doesn't work at all, I'm using the latest BIOS on the motherboard and everything. Instead I think I'll use an X1900 XTX, it works fine in this system and will do better than the 7900 GTX in later DirectX 9 games anyway
Good to hear that you have some upgrade-plans for it. I had that motherboard ( with a 4200 and later one 4400 X2 cpu ) and it worked very well back in those days, but i was lucky enough to get an asrock 939 dual vsta with both agp and pcie x16. Probably one of the best 939-motherboards out there ( but quite hard to find these days ).Good and interesting video..@@SPNG
No cod2? That was one of the best PC games at the time. Although it was towards the end of 2005. I would play that game until like 3am lol
I'm going to be upgrading this system for early 2006 sometime soon, I'll definitely try to add COD 2 to my game suite for that video 👍
Good build overall however if I were you, I would use a Radeon R5xx instead, ATI is faster and have better image quality with a dedicated X-FI sound card. Talking about Os i would pick Windows 2000SP4.
Check the follow up video I did on this system, I think you'll like it 😄
I wish they still made 5:4 aspect ratio monitors, still use old 1280 by 1024 monitors as my side monitors
Nice! I had one of those cases for my £1 league of legends Pc
I saw that video! Now that I have this case I gotta say it's been very nice to use, excellent for retro builds 👍
Rather it be 30+ minutes long.
I'd like to do a more in-depth and history focused review of this system at some point but it would take quite a while to make for sure
love the channel