*Update:* While Père Lachaise staff refused to respond to the media, I'm glad to say the Louvre has offered me and Matthias a VIP visit next time we're in Paris ^___^
It's Black Friday In addition to those VIP passes, but they should terminate those security guards' employment as well. They clearly need to be taught a lesson in respect for people. Nevertheless, I'm happy for you.
Just want to mention as I've seen a few comments ragging on French people in general - that everyone else we spoke to was perfectly friendly, polite, and helpful, and we received many lovely, warming compliments - it was just the (ubiquitous) security guards who gave us shit. Just sayin'! x
It's Black Friday that must have been a large downer... but that's completely ridiculous. I find it ironic you were talking about your trip to France... and I am doing my french project :)
It's Black Friday it's possible to restore the videos and photos one of my friends did that because she deleted everything idk how but the point is she did it
If I ever go to Paris dressed as a Goth and I get denied entry to the Notre Dame cathedral, I'll say "Let me get this straight. You are not allowing a Goth... into a Gothic cathedral?"
You may like dark culture but if you don’t like attention don’t be a Goth! Ever wanna know what a famous person feels like? Go to Indonesia or Egypt…. You get the Universe chase you about at each footstep !
I wouldn't at ALL say that goths "love death"... It's more that we accept it as an inevitable side-effect of living and that we should confront it and respect it in a healthy way.
I regularly get stopped by security guards, have been escorted out of malls, searched by police, stopped by police, and generally annoyed to death by "authority figures" to the point where I have developed a genuine dislike of them. Yes I wear black clothing and leather and have more tattoos than most tattooists not to mention my face/head is tattooed so I'm a walking target, I get it. But it gets kinda annoying when you're own your own block walking back to your house and a cop stops to talk to you because of recent "suspicious persons" in the area. It's like holy hell I am literally 2 houses away from my house, shut the hell up. But yeah I have a Muslim friend and I hang out with him sometimes and people act like he's actively carrying a machine gun at all times. I swear I live in a state where you can openly carry a gun on you, he isn't, but they act like he's got more weapons than Rambo on him. So for whatever little it's worth, I can sympathize. BTW anyone else find it ironic the catacombs are closed? Why would you close a catacombs? To dust the skeletons? I've always wanted to see them but that's a lot of cash to go see skeletons.
Dude, I get stopped easy bc I look younger than my age and dress differently (No, I'm not goth, althoug ppl get me mistaken by one)... It's that kind of thing that makes me sad and a nonjudgmental person...
You can definitely take photos at that cemetery. I have taken photos there multiple times. I even paid a tour guide IN the cemetery to take me around to some of the more prominent graves to take photos! That's so ridiculous. I am frustrated for/with you!!!
Vivienne Gucwa My french teacher (she's been to France easily more than five times) took pictures there and showed them to us. Pictures are DEFINITELY allowed
From what I've heard (At least in America), you are allowed to take pictures of the GENERAL GROUNDS all you wish, but you can't take pictures of specific graves unless you're related to that person...?
You can attempt to sue the owners of the cemetery. They forced you to delete video which is apart of your work. They made you lose out on money that buys food and pays for rent.
And they insisted to look at ALL the photos saved on her camera, what if they had nudes or 'home video' on there from the night before? Those guards leering over private photos would be seriously upsetting.
+lestrange Forcing her to show them all the photos can't possibly be legal, especially when there are no warning signs. That's worse than North Korea...
Samantha Fae Yes try to sue, I believe they have similar rules to the U.S. First Amendment in their constitution. BTW shit like this occasionally happens here. Ya gotta stand up.
I am Parisian born and raised and on behalf of the people from Paris, I apologise. Please, do come back and I will take you to the Louvres and the Père Lachaise. We'll see how things go with a French speaking person by your side. Don't give up on seeing these sights because it's all worth it. I'm being honest with you, hit me up because I am actually outraged at all this utter shit drama. Take care of yourself
Oh please, I've seen children run rampant at the Louvre, a man smoke a cigarette and put it out on a statue and a woman try to touch John the Baptist by Da Vinci, and YOU'RE too much?? I'm so sorry you were treated like that. Unbelievable, everyone deserves to see and enjoy art.
Wow, that has changed my plans to Paris. If they have issues with people who dress and look beautiful I just don't want to go. I'm so sad that you experienced such distasteful behavior! I am sending positive vibes and good thoughts to both of you. You both are always welcomed in my home.
Francis really?? you'd not go because of one person's experience? they both look that extreme and have to admit it's very attention getting. its going to cause issues sometimes. it's life.
Your assumption that it was just one person that changed my mind is wrong. I have heard from friends and family visiting Paris that they have had similar experiences. Ever since I started to make plans to go. I have been told stories of how bad experiences were. Some of my family and friends don't even dress both or eccentric, some do, but the stories are the same. This was the final nail in the coffin.
Jessica January Are they dressed half naked or with inappropriate or rude sayings on their clothes? No. I don't understand what the problem is here aside from bigotry.
In other words, *you just upstaged the Louvre*. That earns you approximately 45 billion goth points and some *truly epic* bragging rights. Hopefully the heads of staff contact you and correct their mistakes, though. They owe you that much at least.
Unfortunately alot of people have given the rest of us a bad name when it comes to cemeteries. On one hand, as a mortuary apprentice I can see why people filming in a cemetery would need to be stopped because SO many people make videos faking hauntings, telling fake stories about the deceased, etc and do real psychological damage to the families. not to mention the people messing with markers, leaving trash, being loud/inappropriate/etc. but on the other hand unless someone IS being shitty, there's no need to start going at them already. like I'm heavily pierced/tattooed, purple and black hair, and gothy and I ALWAYS follow proper etiquette in funeral homes and grave yards because that's my whole career but I was asked to leave my father in law's burial because they thought I was just being creepy, which was really upsetting.
also, come on over to Tennessee and visit Elmwood historic cemetery, they're p cool there (.totally not suggesting this just so I can meet you of course :p )
Brooding Corpse for myself, it's been tough but manageable. but it will vary from person to person. if you want more details about the requirements then I'll be happy to tell you, I just don't want to write a super long comment if you're not interested in hearing more!
I totally see where you're coming from with why they wouldn't like people taking video, but if that were the case they would have a sign saying it wasn't allowed and would have stopped everyone which from the sound of things they didn't. :(
Alot don't have signs and expect it to just be common knowledge or would prefer to just correct it as it happens because seeing the sign could either deter potential clients or upset current mourners. Obviously the security could've handled it way better because she wast doing anything to warrant more than just "stop taking pictures".
No surprise , as a french i really know how ppl in Paris are , specially direction of important buildings thinking they are high class society and do not accept different ppl they want foreigners that come visit but suit like "normal ppl" that piss me off
Hank.Thunderblade they don't even like "normal" foreigners though! I have never met so many people with huge egos and so thoroughly rude to visitors as the Parisians are.
No they want rich foreigners with influence , not plebeian scum.... God i hate those ppl , but hey , not all parisians are like that gladly ^^ but those people...are horrible i had a really bad experience with them
Hank.Thunderblade believe me, not only in Paris. I live in the south of France and foreigners get treated as bad (is not worse...). What bugs me about French people is that they expect every foreigner to speak french, but yet can't make a fucking sentence in english, and then MAKE FUN OF YOU FOR NOT SPEAKING FRENCH. I'm sorry but if you can't even understand a basic sentence in english maybe you're the one that should me made fun of...
You are in THEIR country. They expect the respect of at least trying to speak their language instead of having them cater to you in English. I had several people refuse to speak to me in English. I explained my French was terrible but when I tried they were very kind and helpful. One person walked me to where I was going and another called a taxi for me. Americans are spoiled. It is our reputation in many countries.
my boyfriend and i went to a dollar tree for a medicine my mom takes and its the only kind that helps with her chronic migrains, (my boyfriend and i look like punk kids) but we are not even disrespectful EVER. my boyfriend even held the door open for a much older lady. and while looking for it, found it, and the time we got to the register they actually refused to let us pay for my MOMS medication, and after like 8 minutes of being refused a police man searched us, practicly banned us from the store, and then tried to tell us they called for stealing, but once seeing we didnt take a single thing, it changed to their saftey was being threatened, and when i went back inside to buy my boyfriend a drink the lady told me it simply was because the way we both dressed. i want to make a video talking about it for the same reason you did. people truly think goths, punks, (some) skinheads, any subculture that has a strong family hold are cruel and violent and it needs to stop.
I never had this happen to me at the dollar tree for looking goth but they did kick me out for not wearing a mask even though I was exempt from wearing one due to medical conditions, their policy (as well as every single other business) states that as long as you tell them that you are exempt, then you don't have to wear a mask. They refused to let me buy my stuff and said that I had to buy a mask there. And also I was at Walgreens and I said that I was exempt for medical reasons and the lady asked to see my card. What card??? She was so clueless and mean to me. She said to Remeber to bring my card next time but would not tell me what kind of magical card she was talking about. I was also kicked out of jewel Osco and I told them that I was exempt and then the guy grabbed my basket from me and told me to get out of the store and to go to any of the other jewelosco stores. I even contacted their parent company and was told that every jewel allows people with medical conditions that prevent them from wearing a mask to be in the store without a mask, in fact that has happened to me soooo many times, it happened at barns and Nobel, it happened at the mall to
As a frenchie wearing an alternative look, and I've been really into gothic culture too, I can assure you this kind of shitty attitude happens ALL THE TIME. I've not been allowed to see a lot of museums or to access café or restaurant because of my look. When I was at 'lycée' ( I think it's high school, right ? ), I was a bit more free but the administration didn't like my look and even if I was one of the best student at school they always were on me to take off my chains or my New Rocks boots. Now, I'm really softer, but when I wear a hat or when I've got black lipstick, I see it really makes people unconforatble at the movies or restaurants... Yeah, in France, you can't wear what you want. Shitty mentality.
I think it's mostly in Paris ! It happens sometimes everywhere but, you know, there's this Parisian mentality of being dressed at "la mode". It's really a French, and more over, a Parisian pride to have styles considered "beautiful". I think it's really linked to this, but fortunately not all parisians and frenchs are like that ^^ But I've noticed, in my experience, that in smaller cities people don't care about your look. It's strange cause I though it would be reversed, but now taht I'm in a big town I'm more embarrassed by people that when I was in a smaaaaaaaall city with only peasants. Surprising, right ?
Au contraire c'est bien pire dans les plus petites villes car les gens sont beaucoup moins habitués à la diversité malheureusement ... enfin pour le style goth' en tout cas, parce qu'il faut bien avouer que c'est un peu déroutant, moi j'ai un style un peu original, sarouel, dreads et ecarteurs, et je sais que je suis déjà limite pour beaucoup de gens alors j'imagine même pas les goth
Ben justement, moi c'est tout à fait l'inverse. Dans les grands villes que j'ai cotoyées (Montpellier, Lyon et Toulouse, et Paris en touriste ), j'étais insultée regardée de travers et interdite d'aller dans certains endroits. Dans les plus petites villes ( Nancy, Epinal, Sète, Agde, Béziers... ) on m'a toujours foutu la paix. Comme quoi...
Im from the US. and I went with my family to Universal Studios in Florida last year. They refused to let me in with my makeup on because as you were told at the museum. "people who mistake you for one of our actors. You have to take all your makeup off to come in." Only one security guard tried to stand up for me by saying her sister was part of the alternative scene as well. I had to go back to my hotel sobbing and taking off all my makeup just so I could go into the amusement park. which the night before they almost didn't let me in because my shirt said "blood, sex and rock n roll" and told me to take my shirt off because it was offensive. So I understand that completely 😩 it's the worst feeling ever.
I'm sorry all that terrible shit happened to you though! Almost being arrested just to visit a cemetery. That's much worse then what I went through. And people think being ourselves really isn't hard!!!
Dani Coma oh yeah? that's crazy! I went there and had zero problems! even went to the Harry Potter world part of the park and they all loved my bright white hair. kept calling me malfoy. 😂😂 I'm so sorry you had to go through that. but I'm glad a security guard stood up for you. she clearly knew it was wrong. look like an actor? you're not in costume. therefore you've got nothing to worry about. they just wanted to pick on you. I hope if you ever go back that you have a better experience!
+silvertoungue65 the only actor i could have looked like was Beetlejuice! who seemed to adore me!!! My makeup is typically Manson inspired, big red eyeshadow with lots of black and white foundation. probably threw them off with my green hair
I worked at universal for a few years and this IS NOT ANY KIND OF RULE, THIS IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A RULE. The ONLY rules for apperence are as follows: shirts, pants/shorts must be worn at all times, in areas of the park where there is free water, shoes do not have to be worn by guests. Though this is a family place, please make sure that you dont let any children see anything you would not want your own children to see. If I were you, Id contact someone about that tbh.
Haven't commented before, not a subscriber. Just here because I saw the article about you getting denied entrance and kicked out of places. I want to come here and express my support. Maybe it means something that I'm not goth. I am absolutely disgusted by people treating you this way, especially in an ART museum. I have no idea what you looked like that day, but I don't need to. I don't care if you were subtle or outlandish. It doesn't matter. Please know that there are plenty of people outside the goth community that support you.
Not all people who look "scary" are bad people. My parents used to be part of a biker group, and a lot of those guys tend to look pretty scary, but most of them are total sweethearts. I remember that this one giant of a man used to play with my sister and I, chasing us around and other fun things that make little kids scream and run around. Someone that was not from our group came over and tried to take us away from him, because they apparently thought that he had stolen us, even after we told them that he was our friend and our parents were going to be upset if they took us away from him. It took my mom storming over, in her own biker get up and demanding to know what they were doing with her children, for them to finally let us go. Just the other day at work, I had an associate tell me that they were not going to get anywhere near a certain customer because he was a biker. I went up to the customer and asked if he needed anything, and he didn't but was really nice. The other associate freaked out because I had actually approached the guy, even though he saw the whole exchange and saw that nothing bad happened. Unfortunately people are stigmatized every day for being who they are and looking different from an areas norm.
When I wanted to take coffee they would ask me to go st the back of the shop because if I was outside I'd attract bad publicity to the place . FUCK YOU PARIS
yup and this is one of many things i ve experienced when i was living in france , mind you i am not eurocentric french lol basicly im not white or french enough for the french even if i was born there and so was my mother but hey...racism discrimination is what i experienced the most in my life there.
oh and to all my 'french folks' who simply love to remind the world that paris is not france so they can have their hands clean....PARIS IS FRANCE it is PART of it . deal with it. You think you are better in the north or in the south? no. no you are not . I have received as many dirty looks and comments as an alternative in paris that i have in the rest of france. You think Britanny is better? or Normandy? or Marseille? sure...yeah I mean i have folks on these comments offended because what Black Friday called out the rudeness of your country and you are offended that s the best you want to do ? throw it at other departements of your country? it is in your country that immigrants that are not french enough that get arrested its in your country that if you get attacked no ones barely gives a shit because if you are not white you probably deserve it or weird or whatnot. Suddenly you want to be all patriotic , well shit it sure shows a lot about your damn France how much you guys are loving and united when most of you are just fucking offended and throwing the ball in an other court.I was born and lived 12 years of my life there and now i lived 16 more in Canada , and why do you think so many want to move here? because even you cant stand the stupid conservative ignorant aggressive life that you promote. And this is how you folks react to so many hate ? by personally getting offended instead of seeing that this is a social issues...i can't fucking grow up. oh and Black Friday I am so so so so sorry for what you experienced .
this broke my heart so hard, my husband and I get shit all the time because of our piercings and tattoos. but I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to be you and your husband. I wish I could give you a huge hug right now. you and matthias are beautiful. never change, the world needs to change. much love darling 💙
Hmm, I went to Paris and Louvre and she was let in an a full Lolita (the fashion) outfit. But perhaps its not black, it wasn't read as dangerous! I do remember French people as being condescending when you couldn't speak their language 🙁
I totally agree. Anyway, I don't know how would've been if the had gone to another museum like musee d'Orsay... But yeah, in case of the Louvre, you've just explained very well. I visited that museum last summer and even though I had no problems, it was a very sad experience. Also most people were more attentive to the fact of taking selfies with every piece of art than really enoying and contemplating them... that seemed to me like art was something that you could actually consume (just like another product), and not and expression of culture, feelings... and art itself. Very disappointing. (Sorry if I made any mistake, English is not my first language)
YES! THANK YOU! I am so saddened to see all the bashing of a whole country of millions of individuals, just because of the rude actions of security guards in two places. It's was a very upsetting incident, but if anyone reacts by bashing the whole country they are being just as stupid as those security guards.
Yeah ure right, let me walk into a bank office with a fucking balaklava on because dont assume I am robbing the place. Let me walk into a childrens party looking like a clown, cuz Im jsut there for the lemonade. Let me walk into a business meeting in full goth makeup, who cares right?
+Aimtofflan - Apples and oranges. There are clear, well-understood expectations for dress at the events you listed, all of which have basic structure and rules for process and behavior, and you are specifically choosing your examples to violate exactly those expectations. - One _expects_ to be taken aside if wearing a mask to a bank. - One _expects_ to be treated as the entertainment when wearing a clown outfit at a party. - One _expects_ to lose their job if they show up in attire not appropriate for a business meeting. There are no expectations or guidelines for gothic makeup and clothing in a museum. There are expectations for painting yourself atomic pink and wearing a lime green string bikini. That is clearly miles outside the norm and will make people uncomfortable. Goths, however, are well-known, well-understood, generally pretty fashionable, and generally pretty well-behaved (mature goths, anyway). Black Friday might have expected some odd looks, as usual, but not to be flat-out turned away. With regards to the cemetery, I'm a little less sure. I think the cemetery, since they made the effort to post signs about dogs and such, should also have made a point of saying something along the lines of "respectful, non-distracting behavior and attire required" (or whatever) if they really mean to require people to show that level of respect for the dead. I can see their point if so, but without making it clear it just gets messy. Seems like it would be easier on both parties to make the ground rules clear up-front.
Aimtofflan that is not the point this is her every day look it's just makeup it's a style it's not like a clown costume that people only wear on certain occasions or a religious garment.
It is exactly the point. A museum is a place of culture and art. Showing up in halloween looking makeup and clothes(I dont personally care) in such a place, one must expect that problems might arise. Same as if you walk into a goth club dressed as someone outta Wolf of Wall Street. Everything has a time and place. If they really cared so much to see the museum, couldnt they dress down a bit and wear less makeup? =). Again, I am not personally against her looks, I just accept that you cant force society to change around you. Sometimes you will have to make adjustments.
badness isn't a pair of red contact lenses, badness is judging someone by his/her appearance. Adolf Hitler wasn't emo, you know? Some people must use their brain much more than they use their eyes. You're sweet, sweeter than that girl in my school that dresses pink and that's normal, because your foundation's colour doesn't change your personality. But some people don't understand this. Sorry for the bad English, I'm Italian.
They aren't breaking dress codes. It's their fashion, just like the girls who wear high waisted shorts and crop tops with those white vans. And guys who sag their pants and wear slayer shirts with snap backs.
People are so ignorant, I'm sorry you had to go through that, I've dealt with similar situations in foreign countries just for my skin colour so I completely understand how you feel.
OMG...wouldn't it be wonderful of you planned a gathering of goths, all around the world, to go to Paris for a vacation, just to go to the Lovre and the Cemetery that kicked you out?
Hell!! If that were to happen I would fly myself out there just to witness the madness happening of a large gather of goths at those places. I don't think the security would know what to do
And I would love it, as long as they didn't think its some kind of act of terrorism, you never know these days what goes through peoples minds. -__-' When a person looks too different than the rest of society deems the "norm" or what is acceptable then most instantly label you as a negative stereotype that is up to no good. Not always but it does happen a lot.
I'm Parisian and I'm sorry about what happened... I'm also very mad, I mean this shit is crazy. I'm gonna complain about it next time I go there, I go to Père Lachaise very often so I know it by heart. I'm very sorry, once again. Tell me next time you go to Paris, I'll be your translator and bodyguard.
i wasn't allowed into a hotel restaurant in London because I'm gothic, i found out a few days before going there for my friends birthday dinner and i had to rummage through my clothes to find dressy but kind of normal clothes. it was at the sandersons hotel, i was shocked.
Kristi Marie I know! I asked where the washrooms were in English and a way men ignored me, then I asked her and French and she made me repeat myself 7 times and then she turned to her co-worker and said "can you give her the washroom key." In great English. It just got on my nerves.
Scandi Snowgirl although I agree as a French person, I want to point out that often tourists are very impolite and disrespectful in Paris. So yeah some of us are assholes but some of us are just pissed 😂
"My husband booked a surprise trip to Paris for me." 😲👐 Also I follow you on FB and Instagram - and the Louvre denial is an outrage and this is why we can't judge people on appearance. TBH out of all the places I've been in Europe Paris was my least favorite.
@@lilliklok7864 I studied European law and it is violating TFEU rights against discrimination. There is even caselaw on the matter and local laws cannot override EU law in this specific area.
Ive heard others say mediocre things about Paris when travelling Europe :/ Am i correct to believe that the south of France is essentially the opposite of Paris and quite welcoming to tourists and non french speakers?
Paris is oftenly far from the image you have of it. It's dirty, polluted, noisy, the people living here are stressed out and not very friendly most of the time... Not a great experience imo, even if there are tons of things to see. South of France is more chill, there isn't the agitation of Paris there, but I think you can experience bad things like this everywhere, because they are narrow minded people everywhere.
well I would argue that Paris is more welcoming to people that are somewhat different compared to the south of France (great soil to the French right wing and front national party) . But yes Paris is noisy It's a Big city France's capital after all. :)
"We just look a bit weird" You are not weird you have a different style, being different does not equal weird and they had no right to deny the visit, but I can see that happen sadly, I have both arms fully tattooed and more than once I had to wear long sleeves to hide it because my tattoos and wristbands make me too wild for certain places.
As someone who lives in France, if you want romantic getaway go anywhere but Paris.. Most french people will have never gone outside of France and therefore think everything french is the best (yet complain about it) and have no experience or knowledge whatsoever about anything abroad. And they are easily offended and conservative about fashion and anyone being slightly different. They will claim otherwise and yell at me for saying this but you just have to spend a week here to see it if you come from abroad. I'm sorry you had such a poor experience with our security guards and general bigotry..
However, if you ever go back to paris, they'll have to give you a private viewing at the louvre, because that was their excuse, and if they turn you down then hopefully they'd get a bit of media trouble.
I'm sorry that this happened Black Friday. I'm an alternative person myself and me and my significant other have been talking about visiting Paris I'm the next few months, but after seeing this, I've almost cancelled our trip out of pure fear of being stopped. I don't know any french at all, but I'm obsessed with art in the Louvre and all the graves in the cemeteries across the world (weird, I know), and overall I am extremely sorry for what you went through, and I'm just completely ashamed of people in fear of the difference in this world nowadays. I hope you have a better time this week than last, and that you stay perfect! - From a keen Belfry Bat 👻
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I had one woman shit talk me when I was in France, 9th grade class trip and I didn't really look too flashy back then, I only had snake bites and my makeup routine was foundation, powder, mascara, done. some black pants with chains and other metal trinkets on them and black shirt and I was good to go. this woman, on our first day of the trip, in the fucking metro station started talking to me in French and I was so confused, I didn't understand shit. luckily my friend's mom who was our supervisor for the trip understood and she told me the woman had said something along the lines of "she'd be so pretty if she didn't ruin her looks with those piercings!"... so ye there was another woman in the line behind us when going to the Eiffel tower who also asked me about my piercings but she just asked if they hurt, she was quite nice. she was actually older than the woman at the metro station so that's kinda confusing, I thought the older generations were supposed to be more prejudiced but I guess not. otherwise many people gave me weird looks but they didn't say anything and most didn't look angry, more shocked or intrigued.
Older generations are always not as prejudiced as people today seem to think. My maternal grandmother is actually more accepting and understanding in general than my own mother... sometimes it's hard to see how they are even related. Though ironically, my mother taught me to accept different kinds of people when I was younger. And then she herself thought I was the Satan worshipper when I was a teen goth. -__-
Sounds like they were feeding into hysteria over the recent terror attacks. And because you just were different they profiled you. It sucks but it does happen. I'm so sorry that happened to you!
Mimi The Potato sure, that's true. But generally someone who is going to commit an act of terror or try to harm people don't try to attract attention to themselves BEFORE they've committed that act. It's a bit counterproductive because it raises your risk of being caught before you complete your task.
As a french I can tell you that FUCK YES THEY ARE The police tried to force me to come with them because I was wearing platform shoes with spikes on it and they told me "that can be a weapon" ..........dude how the fuck a 5'3" girl is supposed to hit someone with her shoe. h o w. because im still trying to understand that. I had to call my mom and she laughed when they told her what was going on lol
I brought flowers to give to some of the amazing graves there and had 2 left over which I decided to take with me. Some other people were doing simular things. When I left I was the only person who was pulled aside and demanded to know about the flowers. My friend spoke fluent French and the female gaurd refused to listen and started yelling at me and demanding I give her the flowers that I payed for. She made a huge scene and would not listen to anybody. So I just walked away and ignored her. She was so rude and horrible and I get what she may have been thinking. But even with someone telling her she refused to listen. So fucking rude. I wasn't dressed too outlandish, I had boots and I have tattoos but yeah. Pathetic really. Amazing place though ♡
It's been like that all my life though. Rural Australian town are horrible. Worse people who look similar to you are often worse. It is so disrespectful to the culture.
"Big hair and a lot of makeup." God help Dolly Parton if she goes to Paris! But on a serious note, that's so shitty what happened to you and I'm so sorry you had to go through that. :(
I just can not believe people deny you access because of how you look/dress. It's very rude. No matter what a person looks like, they should still be able to go where they wish to. I am very sorry that this happened to you and upset you. Just know that know, all of us still very much love how you are. Keep strong!!! Love you!!!
Why are there so many who clearly watch and enjoy black Fridays content dissing her style and saying she should look more "normal"? She likes the way she looks and that shouldn't be a problem regardless of race or country or religious beliefs. For fucks sake everyone is human and shouldn't have to be given bullshit when they go somewhere. Why are people like this? It's really not that hard to overlook someone's style unless you have a dense view of the world. All I'm saying is being normal isn't always a good thing either.
This is very upsetting to me as a viewer...you are a sweet and loving lady. All this shit you go through for your looks, you don't deserve this! I felt really terrible, esp. thinking about your anxiety. It's such a terrifying and crippling condition...I suffer from it too so I know how you feel. Glad to see you up and about again!!
This video breaks my heart. So sorry this happened to you! Wish I could say something to cheer you up, but I can't find any words that feels appropriate. It must have felt so awful. I hope you manage to restore some of the footage you took
K first off you don't understand what racism is- a systematic level of oppression (educate yourself). The reason why goth culture, and the Native American *race* is not the same thing, is that while you may choose to identify as goth, you have the privilege of wiping off the makeup and taking off the clothes. Any oppression you face for it, you technically can escape, whether or not you choose to. This woman was discriminated against, but not for something that she couldn't remove, should she choose to do so. Native Americans cannot do that. Also, let's not even pretend that one act of discrimination against one woman of a particular culture is even comparable to an entire genocide. That's just silly.
+sicsempertyrannis23 - I think that is a bad analogy. It isn't a choice to be Native American whereas it is to be a goth. Goth *is* a subculture but is *also* a fashion and is not exclusive to any person.
It's so heartbreaking hearing that this sort of stuff actually happens :( It's like all basic human decency disappears if you dress a little differently. Like you seem like such a nice person and your husband too, you're the last people who deserve to be treated like criminals
my first time going out in my "full goth" outfit and makeup i was told by one of the cashiers at my favourite video store that i had to leave my backpack at with them even though i had isited several times before and was never told this before, i have severe anxiety issues and couldnt really enjoy my time there as much because i was worried about my backpack, and now im a little hesitant to go back because im worried about something like that happening again, i just wanted free popcorn and to look for some classic horror other than the creature from the black lagoon. they even made my mom give them her shopping bag.
Here's an experiment. Dress (and I hate to use the word sorry) "normal" next time and do the exact same actions like videoing and taking pictures. It would be interesting if you get stopped the next time
I probably would dress mainstream casual the very next day, make sure that I had a picture of myself all dressed up, and then go there again. Once I was on my way out, I'd say to the security guards while showing the photo: "Yeah, I'm the person you kicked out yesterday, you asshole. Don't you recognize me?" But I have a spiteful streak in me, so...yeah. xD
I'm pretty sure it would be bad publicity for you ahahaha we are used to demonstration and people would just laugh I'm sorry You better should make them regret what they did by making this story known or whatever
You can take photos in Pere Lachaise, those security guards were completely out of order. The cops would of been wasting their time, because there was no crime committed. What a bunch of dick wads. ¬_¬ I'm sorry you had to go through that. I've been kicked out of the cemetery in the UK where my grandparents were buried in because I was dressed in gothic clothing, and I do think that they tar EVERYONE in with a few assholes. I know the security guard at the cemetery I was kicked out of, told me they had had 'Weird kids in before who destroyed gravestones' and I think they assume we're ALL going to do this, or like, roll around on the gravestones or something. It's utterly ridiculous. -___-
Holyfiremolotov...HAHA! when you said they assumed us Goths will maybe "roll around on gravestones"...I pictured it in my mind. :-p...People (not everyone of course) but people are just weird about things they don't understand fully...I am a disabled Goth, so I get crap from many angles...I let allot of stuff go cause I figure I'm going to be me forever, so why not be myself & be happy with who I am & life...but when people say dumb stuff like: "can I use your can for a minute" or tell me at the grocery store "it must be convient to have a cart (walker) to carry groceries" (I told him that it would be even more convenient not to need a walker) or things about my looks like, "That's what I want to be for Halloween" or "Halloween is over" or when people turn around at a store, get wide eyed & back away (I kinda laugh at that, cause those are the people who NEED to back away & not hang out with me)...It is annoying though! Not everyone is like this though..."To every action, there is an equal & opposite reaction!"...But point is, it is annoying, saddening even that when someone doesn't understand to such a degree, that it turns to fear & to mask fear it turns to anger...I just don't understand why anger is more socially acceptable than just being honest that the root cause of anger is fear & misunderstanding...If you don't understand something you never experienced personally, it's OK to admit it & ask questions & learn something & grow as a human being & become a better person for it...No one knows everything & not everything outside of ourselves is a cause for fear...If we would admit we don't know everything about the world & try to learn & grow, we could just bypass all the disharmony & strife...It's not a simple process, but it's one that makes the world better, not worse. We are never going to totally see eye to eye always as a human race, but why do we have to make things so black & white sometimes?
I am french and I am very sorry this happened to you , it's plain discrimination based on looks! Please come back to France, it's really beautiful! I swear most of us are lovely people, I am so sorry you had such an awful experience :(
I'm sooo sorry that they treated you guys like that. The both of u are very sweet n loving n the people who were hating those dorks are just jealous of how confident and gorgeous you are sending hugs
I literally cannot believe this. This is the rudest thing I've heard in quite a while, and really upsets me, and should upset anybody, regardless of them being goth or not. I'm really sorry, and I hope this goes viral, I'll do my part and share it. I do send you all my love, and I hope it helps a bit. Watching your blogs really helps my day get better, and even though we don't share the same stetics, I do believe you are gorgeous. :) Love from Colombia
I get kicked out of stops, busses, stopped by police, yelled at, spat at and harassed just for existing in my black skin. Most people want to just minimize your experience because the truth is too hard to deal with. This is not ok. Choosing to look different or just bring born the "none preferred skin color" and being hurt because of that is not ok. Don't minimize people's experiences, listen to them.
Good for you to speak out about these experiences, for over 20 years I have happily been goth and can remember all the times I have been belittled, yelled at, even spat on. One thing I am proud of is standing up for myself but at times it is disheartening to realise that as I get older another generation comes along and behaves in the exact same way toward me. I wanted to travel and visit places I have admired for years yet I let these experiences change that dream (I lost courage). Time to start dreaming again and not be afraid. This video has helped me realise this. Thankyou.
BTW Protip, if this shit happens again where they force you to delete, get a sd card for "fake videos" where you record fake vlog material, when you're asked for them to see the pic, say that your camera died and you have to get the spare battery, as you are getting the battery swap out the sd cards to the one with the fake vlogs and delete the fake vlogs. I do this all the time to get the video i want.
ItsRedrum Redrum has some good ideas. It would have been fun to be there with you and try out the French I am just learning. It would be interesting to do a documentary on Goths and "Gothism " and part of it would be to follow you around with a hidden camera and see how people react to you in different places and interview them as to why they really think the way they do. I think people might react a little different in New York, D.C., San Francisco, London, Madrid and Venice. I'd love to shoot it. It would be ironic if it was a hit at Cannes. Write me.
ItsRedrum Redrum has some good ideas. It would have been fun to be there with you and try out the French I am just learning. It would be interesting to do a documentary on Goths and "Gothism " and part of it would be to follow you around with a hidden camera and see how people react to you in different places and interview them as to why they really think the way they do. I think people might react a little different in New York, D.C., San Francisco, London, Madrid and Venice. I'd love to shoot it. It would be ironic if it was a hit at Cannes. Write me.
My dear you are a beautiful work of art, your own special creation, I'm so sorry that they made you cry, don't ever stop being who you are and express that any way you see fit!
Funny story. I went to the Louvre when I was about 19. I had black pants a black tank top with a silver dragon on it and a belt with a skull and crossbones belt buckle. Not as glamed out at Black Friday but you could tell I was goth. An eastern German family was literally terrified of me. Their children would not stop looking at me as if I was going to eat them. I didn't notice until I passed by the 12 year old looking daughter clutching to her mother who was also watching me. My dad explained that eastern Germans, especially from the countryside were still superstitious and probably thought I was an evil witch. I felt awful but there really wasnt anything I could do.
hotarubi13 Honestly I would have taken it as a compliement. Like you think I'm a witch? Amazing. Damn I wish I was. Glad to know that you at least think I look like one
Aleks Stan My father lived in Germany too. As we didn't get to talk with the family we can only assume. They were speaking German so that was our only clue.
hotarubi13 Nah man, I don't think that was it.One of Germanys most famous front man of a Band used to dress like that. I think they where more scared because you looked like a "Punk" or something. Punks had a reputation of being violant, and people still walk rather around them. It probably was a case of: "Oh look,that person dresses different than us, they must be weird". I got strange looks because I used to wear black smokey eyes and dark Lipstick. People are weird like that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is so frustrating...especially that an ART museum would discriminate against ARTISTIC people. UGH. It's so wrong...I'm glad you spoke out on social media....hopefully it made them feel like fools.
That surprises me a lot. My boyfriend and i went to paris too (several years ago) and we were styled the same way you are and we had no worries ro get into the louvre... :(
No one should suffer discrimination for the way the look! You're self expressive, beautiful, clean, what else could anyone want? MAKEUP TIPS! Hugs & love, Julie. PS - I'm bringing my channel online shortly, & seriously need updated Hair & makeup tips.
*Update:* While Père Lachaise staff refused to respond to the media, I'm glad to say the Louvre has offered me and Matthias a VIP visit next time we're in Paris ^___^
It's Black Friday that's excellent honey, I just hate discrimination! You're a lovely couple, ugh how dare they. Ily Frey ❤
It's Black Friday good. jerks..
Nice, probably some people higher up with actual brains heard about the situation
It's Black Friday wow! that's nice! go again with your Vip pass now ! :D . they must to fix their error
It's Black Friday
In addition to those VIP passes, but they should terminate those security guards' employment as well. They clearly need to be taught a lesson in respect for people. Nevertheless, I'm happy for you.
Just want to mention as I've seen a few comments ragging on French people in general - that everyone else we spoke to was perfectly friendly, polite, and helpful, and we received many lovely, warming compliments - it was just the (ubiquitous) security guards who gave us shit. Just sayin'! x
It's Black Friday that must have been a large downer... but that's completely ridiculous. I find it ironic you were talking about your trip to France... and I am doing my french project :)
It's Black Friday it's possible to restore the videos and photos one of my friends did that because she deleted everything idk how but the point is she did it
It's Black Friday I'm so sorry love. Please let us know if there is anything that we can do to make this right! It's ludicrous to be treated that way!
You're just too famous to watch any more. I have no choice but to unsub you.
It's Black Friday I'm heartbroken for you. You absolutely deserved to enjoy yourself. What a damaging experience. I can only imagine.
If I ever go to Paris dressed as a Goth and I get denied entry to the Notre Dame cathedral, I'll say "Let me get this straight. You are not allowing a Goth... into a Gothic cathedral?"
Bet you wish you hadnt said that now huh? What with the chapel being half ash now and all.
Sorry, couldnt resist.
@@clarehouston5360 That was clearly Judge Claude Frollo's work.
Oh my goth Soo true!
@@EclecticallyEccentric Rolf!
It's official, you're so beautiful you would distract people from looking at the Mona Lisa.
Well said :'D
ha ha yes!!!!!!!
steve thepirate - and she has better eyebrows. ;D
If doesn't not all that make up, she looks really a bit like this.
You may like dark culture but if you don’t like attention don’t be a Goth!
Ever wanna know what a famous person feels like? Go to Indonesia or Egypt…. You get the Universe chase you about at each footstep !
"If anyone's going to be respectful in a cemetery, it's Goths."
Yep, because they love & respect death & the cemetery
Akira Sykes how the fuck does one love death ?
De Santis I don't see it this way anymore, but death for me used to mean an end to pain. I can see how people could love that.
Katie B oh yes, I agree with that. to me death is the reward for living. but saying "to love death" sounds exaggerated...
I wouldn't at ALL say that goths "love death"... It's more that we accept it as an inevitable side-effect of living and that we should confront it and respect it in a healthy way.
An art museum doesn't allow self-expression lmao
Right?! Facedesk
Oh, the irony! lol
Ain't that something?? Makes noooo sense at all 😂
Steel Fairy so they have art for expression and they don’t let people express themselves, ugh
Asshole
How could they not let you into a museum of your own kind YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF ART
Cheap Bouqet that's the point ! 😂 no one would give a fuck about the art pieces if she was in the room !
There should be art OF HER in there. Fuck the basic Mona Lisa.
Cheap Bouqet exactly, btw I love your name and profile pic.
Harley Quinn lol
i'm french and i feel ashamed....
next time i volunteer to go with you and i'll yell at them in angry french 😂
Mathilde J. bravo! 😁
Moi aussi... chacun devrait être libre de se promener où bon lui semble peu importe comment il s'habille etc...
Mathilde J. J'ai vu le titre, j'étais tellement 😳
Je me sens mal là tout de suite même un an après XD
Pareil j'ai eu honte durant toute la vidéo...
I regularly get stopped by security guards, have been escorted out of malls, searched by police, stopped by police, and generally annoyed to death by "authority figures" to the point where I have developed a genuine dislike of them. Yes I wear black clothing and leather and have more tattoos than most tattooists not to mention my face/head is tattooed so I'm a walking target, I get it. But it gets kinda annoying when you're own your own block walking back to your house and a cop stops to talk to you because of recent "suspicious persons" in the area. It's like holy hell I am literally 2 houses away from my house, shut the hell up. But yeah I have a Muslim friend and I hang out with him sometimes and people act like he's actively carrying a machine gun at all times. I swear I live in a state where you can openly carry a gun on you, he isn't, but they act like he's got more weapons than Rambo on him. So for whatever little it's worth, I can sympathize. BTW anyone else find it ironic the catacombs are closed? Why would you close a catacombs? To dust the skeletons? I've always wanted to see them but that's a lot of cash to go see skeletons.
Dude, I get stopped easy bc I look younger than my age and dress differently (No, I'm not goth, althoug ppl get me mistaken by one)... It's that kind of thing that makes me sad and a nonjudgmental person...
You can definitely take photos at that cemetery. I have taken photos there multiple times. I even paid a tour guide IN the cemetery to take me around to some of the more prominent graves to take photos! That's so ridiculous. I am frustrated for/with you!!!
Vivienne Gucwa My french teacher (she's been to France easily more than five times) took pictures there and showed them to us. Pictures are DEFINITELY allowed
Vivienne Gucwa yup I confirm ! I've taken pictures, smoked and ate in the cemetery while I was visiting it and no security guards gave me shit.
indeed, i've taken photos there aswell :(
From what I've heard (At least in America), you are allowed to take pictures of the GENERAL GROUNDS all you wish, but you can't take pictures of specific graves unless you're related to that person...?
You can attempt to sue the owners of the cemetery. They forced you to delete video which is apart of your work. They made you lose out on money that buys food and pays for rent.
And they insisted to look at ALL the photos saved on her camera, what if they had nudes or 'home video' on there from the night before? Those guards leering over private photos would be seriously upsetting.
+lestrange Forcing her to show them all the photos can't possibly be legal, especially when there are no warning signs. That's worse than North Korea...
Samantha Fae Yes try to sue, I believe they have similar rules to the U.S. First Amendment in their constitution. BTW shit like this occasionally happens here. Ya gotta stand up.
I am Parisian born and raised and on behalf of the people from Paris, I apologise.
Please, do come back and I will take you to the Louvres and the Père Lachaise. We'll see how things go with a French speaking person by your side.
Don't give up on seeing these sights because it's all worth it.
I'm being honest with you, hit me up because I am actually outraged at all this utter shit drama.
Take care of yourself
Thierry Dupuis how lovely and kind of you 😎👍🏼💖
How are Paris these days?
I heard protests got violent there. Definitely not vacation destination.
You'd better be sorry as it's disgraceful that your ignorant people treat everyone like this do you see how wrong that is? France never changes
Oh please, I've seen children run rampant at the Louvre, a man smoke a cigarette and put it out on a statue and a woman try to touch John the Baptist by Da Vinci, and YOU'RE too much??
I'm so sorry you were treated like that. Unbelievable, everyone deserves to see and enjoy art.
Wow, that has changed my plans to Paris. If they have issues with people who dress and look beautiful I just don't want to go. I'm so sad that you experienced such distasteful behavior! I am sending positive vibes and good thoughts to both of you. You both are always welcomed in my home.
Francis really?? you'd not go because of one person's experience? they both look that extreme and have to admit it's very attention getting. its going to cause issues sometimes. it's life.
Your assumption that it was just one person that changed my mind is wrong. I have heard from friends and family visiting Paris that they have had similar experiences. Ever since I started to make plans to go. I have been told stories of how bad experiences were. Some of my family and friends don't even dress both or eccentric, some do, but the stories are the same. This was the final nail in the coffin.
goth or eccentric, spell check messed up
Jessica January Are they dressed half naked or with inappropriate or rude sayings on their clothes? No. I don't understand what the problem is here aside from bigotry.
That's just a so sad idea, Paris is an amazing city :o If you go, I'll just hope you will not meet the wrong persons xo
In other words, *you just upstaged the Louvre*. That earns you approximately 45 billion goth points and some *truly epic* bragging rights. Hopefully the heads of staff contact you and correct their mistakes, though. They owe you that much at least.
Unfortunately alot of people have given the rest of us a bad name when it comes to cemeteries. On one hand, as a mortuary apprentice I can see why people filming in a cemetery would need to be stopped because SO many people make videos faking hauntings, telling fake stories about the deceased, etc and do real psychological damage to the families. not to mention the people messing with markers, leaving trash, being loud/inappropriate/etc. but on the other hand unless someone IS being shitty, there's no need to start going at them already. like I'm heavily pierced/tattooed, purple and black hair, and gothy and I ALWAYS follow proper etiquette in funeral homes and grave yards because that's my whole career but I was asked to leave my father in law's burial because they thought I was just being creepy, which was really upsetting.
also, come on over to Tennessee and visit Elmwood historic cemetery, they're p cool there (.totally not suggesting this just so I can meet you of course :p )
AshIsAWolf I know this is sooo off topic, but is getting in the mortuary business difficult?
Brooding Corpse for myself, it's been tough but manageable. but it will vary from person to person. if you want more details about the requirements then I'll be happy to tell you, I just don't want to write a super long comment if you're not interested in hearing more!
I totally see where you're coming from with why they wouldn't like people taking video, but if that were the case they would have a sign saying it wasn't allowed and would have stopped everyone which from the sound of things they didn't. :(
Alot don't have signs and expect it to just be common knowledge or would prefer to just correct it as it happens because seeing the sign could either deter potential clients or upset current mourners. Obviously the security could've handled it way better because she wast doing anything to warrant more than just "stop taking pictures".
i wonder if one of those 'real housewives' women with their big hair, fake tan, inch thick makeup and outlandish clothes would get the same treatment?
NOPE cuz they are 'normal'
sue them! they are absolutely not allowed to ask you to show them your pictures or anything in general in your phone.
And this is where ""We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." (Oscar Wilde)
Aaaaaahhhhh :3
Rose Shadowhunter 😍😍
No surprise , as a french i really know how ppl in Paris are , specially direction of important buildings
thinking they are high class society and do not accept different ppl
they want foreigners that come visit but suit like "normal ppl"
that piss me off
Hank.Thunderblade they don't even like "normal" foreigners though! I have never met so many people with huge egos and so thoroughly rude to visitors as the Parisians are.
No they want rich foreigners with influence , not plebeian scum....
God i hate those ppl , but hey , not all parisians are like that gladly ^^ but those people...are horrible i had a really bad experience with them
Hank.Thunderblade believe me, not only in Paris. I live in the south of France and foreigners get treated as bad (is not worse...). What bugs me about French people is that they expect every foreigner to speak french, but yet can't make a fucking sentence in english, and then MAKE FUN OF YOU FOR NOT SPEAKING FRENCH. I'm sorry but if you can't even understand a basic sentence in english maybe you're the one that should me made fun of...
You are in THEIR country. They expect the respect of at least trying to speak their language instead of having them cater to you in English. I had several people refuse to speak to me in English. I explained my French was terrible but when I tried they were very kind and helpful. One person walked me to where I was going and another called a taxi for me. Americans are spoiled. It is our reputation in many countries.
Most of french ppl expect effort from foreigners but even in others country french don't do so.....Not all of them of course , but sadly too much :/
my boyfriend and i went to a dollar tree for a medicine my mom takes and its the only kind that helps with her chronic migrains, (my boyfriend and i look like punk kids) but we are not even disrespectful EVER. my boyfriend even held the door open for a much older lady. and while looking for it, found it, and the time we got to the register they actually refused to let us pay for my MOMS medication, and after like 8 minutes of being refused a police man searched us, practicly banned us from the store, and then tried to tell us they called for stealing, but once seeing we didnt take a single thing, it changed to their saftey was being threatened, and when i went back inside to buy my boyfriend a drink the lady told me it simply was because the way we both dressed. i want to make a video talking about it for the same reason you did.
people truly think goths, punks, (some) skinheads, any subculture that has a strong family hold are cruel and violent and it needs to stop.
I never had this happen to me at the dollar tree for looking goth but they did kick me out for not wearing a mask even though I was exempt from wearing one due to medical conditions, their policy (as well as every single other business) states that as long as you tell them that you are exempt, then you don't have to wear a mask. They refused to let me buy my stuff and said that I had to buy a mask there. And also I was at Walgreens and I said that I was exempt for medical reasons and the lady asked to see my card. What card??? She was so clueless and mean to me. She said to Remeber to bring my card next time but would not tell me what kind of magical card she was talking about. I was also kicked out of jewel Osco and I told them that I was exempt and then the guy grabbed my basket from me and told me to get out of the store and to go to any of the other jewelosco stores. I even contacted their parent company and was told that every jewel allows people with medical conditions that prevent them from wearing a mask to be in the store without a mask, in fact that has happened to me soooo many times, it happened at barns and Nobel, it happened at the mall to
As a frenchie wearing an alternative look, and I've been really into gothic culture too, I can assure you this kind of shitty attitude happens ALL THE TIME. I've not been allowed to see a lot of museums or to access café or restaurant because of my look. When I was at 'lycée' ( I think it's high school, right ? ), I was a bit more free but the administration didn't like my look and even if I was one of the best student at school they always were on me to take off my chains or my New Rocks boots. Now, I'm really softer, but when I wear a hat or when I've got black lipstick, I see it really makes people unconforatble at the movies or restaurants...
Yeah, in France, you can't wear what you want. Shitty mentality.
What happenned to Pere Lachaise is extremely shocking. I hope they will respond 'cause... It's so upsetting !
I think it's mostly in Paris ! It happens sometimes everywhere but, you know, there's this Parisian mentality of being dressed at "la mode". It's really a French, and more over, a Parisian pride to have styles considered "beautiful". I think it's really linked to this, but fortunately not all parisians and frenchs are like that ^^
But I've noticed, in my experience, that in smaller cities people don't care about your look. It's strange cause I though it would be reversed, but now taht I'm in a big town I'm more embarrassed by people that when I was in a smaaaaaaaall city with only peasants. Surprising, right ?
Au contraire c'est bien pire dans les plus petites villes car les gens sont beaucoup moins habitués à la diversité malheureusement ... enfin pour le style goth' en tout cas, parce qu'il faut bien avouer que c'est un peu déroutant, moi j'ai un style un peu original, sarouel, dreads et ecarteurs, et je sais que je suis déjà limite pour beaucoup de gens alors j'imagine même pas les goth
Ben justement, moi c'est tout à fait l'inverse. Dans les grands villes que j'ai cotoyées (Montpellier, Lyon et Toulouse, et Paris en touriste ), j'étais insultée regardée de travers et interdite d'aller dans certains endroits. Dans les plus petites villes ( Nancy, Epinal, Sète, Agde, Béziers... ) on m'a toujours foutu la paix. Comme quoi...
Witch's Brew Sims I don't think so, religion isn't really mighty in France, just the fear of what does not look like you
Im from the US. and I went with my family to Universal Studios in Florida last year. They refused to let me in with my makeup on because as you were told at the museum. "people who mistake you for one of our actors. You have to take all your makeup off to come in." Only one security guard tried to stand up for me by saying her sister was part of the alternative scene as well. I had to go back to my hotel sobbing and taking off all my makeup just so I could go into the amusement park. which the night before they almost didn't let me in because my shirt said "blood, sex and rock n roll" and told me to take my shirt off because it was offensive. So I understand that completely 😩 it's the worst feeling ever.
Oh man that's absurd! Way to spoil your fun :(
I'm sorry all that terrible shit happened to you though! Almost being arrested just to visit a cemetery. That's much worse then what I went through. And people think being ourselves really isn't hard!!!
Dani Coma oh yeah? that's crazy! I went there and had zero problems! even went to the Harry Potter world part of the park and they all loved my bright white hair. kept calling me malfoy. 😂😂 I'm so sorry you had to go through that. but I'm glad a security guard stood up for you. she clearly knew it was wrong. look like an actor? you're not in costume. therefore you've got nothing to worry about. they just wanted to pick on you. I hope if you ever go back that you have a better experience!
+silvertoungue65 the only actor i could have looked like was Beetlejuice! who seemed to adore me!!! My makeup is typically Manson inspired, big red eyeshadow with lots of black and white foundation. probably threw them off with my green hair
I worked at universal for a few years and this IS NOT ANY KIND OF RULE, THIS IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A RULE. The ONLY rules for apperence are as follows: shirts, pants/shorts must be worn at all times, in areas of the park where there is free water, shoes do not have to be worn by guests. Though this is a family place, please make sure that you dont let any children see anything you would not want your own children to see.
If I were you, Id contact someone about that tbh.
Haven't commented before, not a subscriber. Just here because I saw the article about you getting denied entrance and kicked out of places.
I want to come here and express my support. Maybe it means something that I'm not goth. I am absolutely disgusted by people treating you this way, especially in an ART museum.
I have no idea what you looked like that day, but I don't need to. I don't care if you were subtle or outlandish. It doesn't matter. Please know that there are plenty of people outside the goth community that support you.
draconity same reason I ended up here. pretty shocking :/
Not all people who look "scary" are bad people. My parents used to be part of a biker group, and a lot of those guys tend to look pretty scary, but most of them are total sweethearts. I remember that this one giant of a man used to play with my sister and I, chasing us around and other fun things that make little kids scream and run around. Someone that was not from our group came over and tried to take us away from him, because they apparently thought that he had stolen us, even after we told them that he was our friend and our parents were going to be upset if they took us away from him. It took my mom storming over, in her own biker get up and demanding to know what they were doing with her children, for them to finally let us go. Just the other day at work, I had an associate tell me that they were not going to get anywhere near a certain customer because he was a biker. I went up to the customer and asked if he needed anything, and he didn't but was really nice. The other associate freaked out because I had actually approached the guy, even though he saw the whole exchange and saw that nothing bad happened. Unfortunately people are stigmatized every day for being who they are and looking different from an areas norm.
Such a nice story!
Parisians hates goth : I was born in Paris and was goth and it was the worst worst times of my life , I now live in Canada I am happy
When I wanted to take coffee they would ask me to go st the back of the shop because if I was outside I'd attract bad publicity to the place . FUCK YOU PARIS
Romanchiikku Kijun Canada is so chill, I swear. Wish I lived in Canada
+Romanchiikku Kijun That's just ridiculous.... How can people be so elitist? Especially towards paying customers
yup and this is one of many things i ve experienced when i was living in france , mind you i am not eurocentric french lol basicly im not white or french enough for the french even if i was born there and so was my mother but hey...racism discrimination is what i experienced the most in my life there.
oh and to all my 'french folks' who simply love to remind the world that paris is not france so they can have their hands clean....PARIS IS FRANCE it is PART of it . deal with it. You think you are better in the north or in the south? no. no you are not . I have received as many dirty looks and comments as an alternative in paris that i have in the rest of france. You think Britanny is better? or Normandy? or Marseille? sure...yeah I mean i have folks on these comments offended because what Black Friday called out the rudeness of your country and you are offended that s the best you want to do ? throw it at other departements of your country? it is in your country that immigrants that are not french enough that get arrested its in your country that if you get attacked no ones barely gives a shit because if you are not white you probably deserve it or weird or whatnot. Suddenly you want to be all patriotic , well shit it sure shows a lot about your damn France how much you guys are loving and united when most of you are just fucking offended and throwing the ball in an other court.I was born and lived 12 years of my life there and now i lived 16 more in Canada , and why do you think so many want to move here? because even you cant stand the stupid conservative ignorant aggressive life that you promote. And this is how you folks react to so many hate ? by personally getting offended instead of seeing that this is a social issues...i can't fucking grow up. oh and Black Friday I am so so so so sorry for what you experienced .
this broke my heart so hard, my husband and I get shit all the time because of our piercings and tattoos. but I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to be you and your husband. I wish I could give you a huge hug right now. you and matthias are beautiful. never change, the world needs to change. much love darling 💙
this is because the Louvre is drenched in elitism and stupid "high" standards, they don
Also parisians are so fucking rude with everyone and have no consideration for people who dont speak their french
Albus D I do traditional art. But I hate it when people bash modern and articulate artists.
Hmm, I went to Paris and Louvre and she was let in an a full Lolita (the fashion) outfit. But perhaps its not black, it wasn't read as dangerous! I do remember French people as being condescending when you couldn't speak their language 🙁
I totally agree. Anyway, I don't know how would've been if the had gone to another museum like musee d'Orsay... But yeah, in case of the Louvre, you've just explained very well. I visited that museum last summer and even though I had no problems, it was a very sad experience. Also most people were more attentive to the fact of taking selfies with every piece of art than really enoying and contemplating them... that seemed to me like art was something that you could actually consume (just like another product), and not and expression of culture, feelings... and art itself. Very disappointing.
(Sorry if I made any mistake, English is not my first language)
Some people in the comments are disgustingly disrespectful. The whole fucking point is that you should NOT judge anyone by the way they look....
YES! THANK YOU!
I am so saddened to see all the bashing of a whole country of millions of individuals, just because of the rude actions of security guards in two places. It's was a very upsetting incident, but if anyone reacts by bashing the whole country they are being just as stupid as those security guards.
Yeah ure right, let me walk into a bank office with a fucking balaklava on because dont assume I am robbing the place. Let me walk into a childrens party looking like a clown, cuz Im jsut there for the lemonade. Let me walk into a business meeting in full goth makeup, who cares right?
+Aimtofflan - Apples and oranges. There are clear, well-understood expectations for dress at the events you listed, all of which have basic structure and rules for process and behavior, and you are specifically choosing your examples to violate exactly those expectations.
- One _expects_ to be taken aside if wearing a mask to a bank.
- One _expects_ to be treated as the entertainment when wearing a clown outfit at a party.
- One _expects_ to lose their job if they show up in attire not appropriate for a business meeting.
There are no expectations or guidelines for gothic makeup and clothing in a museum. There are expectations for painting yourself atomic pink and wearing a lime green string bikini. That is clearly miles outside the norm and will make people uncomfortable. Goths, however, are well-known, well-understood, generally pretty fashionable, and generally pretty well-behaved (mature goths, anyway). Black Friday might have expected some odd looks, as usual, but not to be flat-out turned away.
With regards to the cemetery, I'm a little less sure. I think the cemetery, since they made the effort to post signs about dogs and such, should also have made a point of saying something along the lines of "respectful, non-distracting behavior and attire required" (or whatever) if they really mean to require people to show that level of respect for the dead. I can see their point if so, but without making it clear it just gets messy. Seems like it would be easier on both parties to make the ground rules clear up-front.
Aimtofflan that is not the point this is her every day look it's just makeup it's a style it's not like a clown costume that people only wear on certain occasions or a religious garment.
It is exactly the point. A museum is a place of culture and art. Showing up in halloween looking makeup and clothes(I dont personally care) in such a place, one must expect that problems might arise. Same as if you walk into a goth club dressed as someone outta Wolf of Wall Street. Everything has a time and place. If they really cared so much to see the museum, couldnt they dress down a bit and wear less makeup? =). Again, I am not personally against her looks, I just accept that you cant force society to change around you. Sometimes you will have to make adjustments.
badness isn't a pair of red contact lenses, badness is judging someone by his/her appearance. Adolf Hitler wasn't emo, you know? Some people must use their brain much more than they use their eyes. You're sweet, sweeter than that girl in my school that dresses pink and that's normal, because your foundation's colour doesn't change your personality. But some people don't understand this.
Sorry for the bad English, I'm Italian.
Desy nonsochecognomefintometterelol Love you profile picture and your comment. Also your English is fine.
Here in the us they call that discriminating, that's against the law.
Bob S Lmfao no it's not.
Bob S the US is the most discriminating nation
Goths aren't a protected class in the US though
PKBitchGirl in the UK they are.
They aren't breaking dress codes. It's their fashion, just like the girls who wear high waisted shorts and crop tops with those white vans. And guys who sag their pants and wear slayer shirts with snap backs.
People are so ignorant, I'm sorry you had to go through that, I've dealt with similar situations in foreign countries just for my skin colour so I completely understand how you feel.
Nathan Grant I'm sorry you have had to deal with that.
OMG...wouldn't it be wonderful of you planned a gathering of goths, all around the world, to go to Paris for a vacation, just to go to the Lovre and the Cemetery that kicked you out?
Louvre
Hell!! If that were to happen I would fly myself out there just to witness the madness happening of a large gather of goths at those places. I don't think the security would know what to do
Jenn Michkowski They probably would have a freaking heart attack!🎃
And I would love it, as long as they didn't think its some kind of act of terrorism, you never know these days what goes through peoples minds. -__-' When a person looks too different than the rest of society deems the "norm" or what is acceptable then most instantly label you as a negative stereotype that is up to no good. Not always but it does happen a lot.
Yes! I'd totally go lol.
I'm Parisian and I'm sorry about what happened... I'm also very mad, I mean this shit is crazy. I'm gonna complain about it next time I go there, I go to Père Lachaise very often so I know it by heart. I'm very sorry, once again.
Tell me next time you go to Paris, I'll be your translator and bodyguard.
Jean-Baptiste Grenouille thats so nice of you! ❤️
Well, if I can help... I want to do it 🙂
Awwww you're so sweet! ❤️
Jean-Baptiste Grenouille you are really sweet :)
Jean-Baptiste Grenouille i love your name 😂
I'm so sorry, I'm French, and I'm so ashamed of what happened to you ! I am so sorry...
Hélène Fontana you have such a beautiful name 😱
Hélène Fontana you don't have to do that you are ok
Hélène Fontana salut moi aussi je suis française! c'est vraiment honteux je trouve....(ce qui lui est arrivé)
i wasn't allowed into a hotel restaurant in London because I'm gothic, i found out a few days before going there for my friends birthday dinner and i had to rummage through my clothes to find dressy but kind of normal clothes. it was at the sandersons hotel, i was shocked.
When I went to Paris nobody understood my French because it was Ontario (Canada) French! I got so frustrated!
Awkward Channel that's a fear of mine! I'm trying to learn French but it seems so different in Paris than here in Ontario!
Awkward Channel Your profile pic captures your feeling
They speak English, but many will pretend that they don't.
Kristi Marie I know! I asked where the washrooms were in English and a way men ignored me, then I asked her and French and she made me repeat myself 7 times and then she turned to her co-worker and said "can you give her the washroom key." In great English. It just got on my nerves.
Scandi Snowgirl although I agree as a French person, I want to point out that often tourists are very impolite and disrespectful in Paris. So yeah some of us are assholes but some of us are just pissed 😂
"My husband booked a surprise trip to Paris for me." 😲👐 Also I follow you on FB and Instagram - and the Louvre denial is an outrage and this is why we can't judge people on appearance. TBH out of all the places I've been in Europe Paris was my least favorite.
Runic Rigel i know, how sad these one was one of her worst experiences :(
Sue them .. that was illegal
GiGi MG i think you need to acknowledge the fact laws are different in every country
@@lilliklok7864 I studied European law and it is violating TFEU rights against discrimination. There is even caselaw on the matter and local laws cannot override EU law in this specific area.
It’s not illegal in France. You’re confusing it with the USA.
@@stephanielee9407 They're talking about EU laws, which usually trump local French laws.
I will bet money that if they knew you were a well known youtuber, they wouldn't have done anything
We'll see what happens next, if anything, plus we'd like to try visiting again so, hmm :p
It's Black Friday I think maybe try another 'goth to normal' experiment, like you and mattias look 'normal' and see how they treat you
right? who says "no." to FREE advertising?!
Freya is a revolutionary 'commodity' for our culture.
SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE ANYWHERE!
I live near Paris I'm sorry you experienced this but it doesn"t surprise me :/
Ive heard others say mediocre things about Paris when travelling Europe :/ Am i correct to believe that the south of France is essentially the opposite of Paris and quite welcoming to tourists and non french speakers?
Paris is oftenly far from the image you have of it. It's dirty, polluted, noisy, the people living here are stressed out and not very friendly most of the time... Not a great experience imo, even if there are tons of things to see. South of France is more chill, there isn't the agitation of Paris there, but I think you can experience bad things like this everywhere, because they are narrow minded people everywhere.
Je suis d'accord avec toi...
well I would argue that Paris is more welcoming to people that are somewhat different compared to the south of France (great soil to the French right wing and front national party) . But yes Paris is noisy It's a Big city France's capital after all. :)
Moi non plus ça ne me surprend pas... mais ça m'énerve énormément :(
"We just look a bit weird"
You are not weird you have a different style, being different does not equal weird and they had no right to deny the visit, but I can see that happen sadly, I have both arms fully tattooed and more than once I had to wear long sleeves to hide it because my tattoos and wristbands make me too wild for certain places.
"Hey babe, you do you , be yourself, be who you want to be." "WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT!"
-Society in a nutshell.
oh god I saw a photo of a goth girl crying for being kicked out of an art gallery I had no idea that was you :(
Oh my god, ignorance. If it was germany none of this would happen, Germany loves their goths!
must be another germany somehow than that one i live in.
As someone who lives in France, if you want romantic getaway go anywhere but Paris.. Most french people will have never gone outside of France and therefore think everything french is the best (yet complain about it) and have no experience or knowledge whatsoever about anything abroad. And they are easily offended and conservative about fashion and anyone being slightly different. They will claim otherwise and yell at me for saying this but you just have to spend a week here to see it if you come from abroad. I'm sorry you had such a poor experience with our security guards and general bigotry..
That sounds a lot like many places in the US too. I wouldn't blame French people. It could have happened almost anywhere.
However, if you ever go back to paris, they'll have to give you a private viewing at the louvre, because that was their excuse, and if they turn you down then hopefully they'd get a bit of media trouble.
"Hey babe! you do you, be yourself, be who you wanna b- WAIT NO, NOT LIKE THAT" omg
I'm sorry that this happened Black Friday. I'm an alternative person myself and me and my significant other have been talking about visiting Paris I'm the next few months, but after seeing this, I've almost cancelled our trip out of pure fear of being stopped. I don't know any french at all, but I'm obsessed with art in the Louvre and all the graves in the cemeteries across the world (weird, I know), and overall I am extremely sorry for what you went through, and I'm just completely ashamed of people in fear of the difference in this world nowadays.
I hope you have a better time this week than last, and that you stay perfect!
- From a keen Belfry Bat 👻
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Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette were more outrageous looking, I wonder if they were allowed in.
If you meant Marie Antoinette’s husband, he’s Louis XVI, not Louis XIV, who was the great-grandfather of Louis XVI’s grandfather.
C. Oh shut up
@caro caro What the hell do you want? I wasn’t even talking to you, and I didn’t insult anyone. Go back into your ignorance hole.
Not the best example as they where beheaded
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Sheys_Cosplay samee
Sheys_Cosplay Same
Sadly, this is my life. I'm addicted to UA-cam. 😢
#youtubeislife ✌💚😁
Same lmao
I had one woman shit talk me when I was in France, 9th grade class trip and I didn't really look too flashy back then, I only had snake bites and my makeup routine was foundation, powder, mascara, done. some black pants with chains and other metal trinkets on them and black shirt and I was good to go. this woman, on our first day of the trip, in the fucking metro station started talking to me in French and I was so confused, I didn't understand shit. luckily my friend's mom who was our supervisor for the trip understood and she told me the woman had said something along the lines of "she'd be so pretty if she didn't ruin her looks with those piercings!"... so ye
there was another woman in the line behind us when going to the Eiffel tower who also asked me about my piercings but she just asked if they hurt, she was quite nice. she was actually older than the woman at the metro station so that's kinda confusing, I thought the older generations were supposed to be more prejudiced but I guess not. otherwise many people gave me weird looks but they didn't say anything and most didn't look angry, more shocked or intrigued.
Older generations are always not as prejudiced as people today seem to think. My maternal grandmother is actually more accepting and understanding in general than my own mother... sometimes it's hard to see how they are even related. Though ironically, my mother taught me to accept different kinds of people when I was younger. And then she herself thought I was the Satan worshipper when I was a teen goth. -__-
It's not about age, it's about being stupid and narrow minded.
I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you and your husband.
'They say follow your heart, follow it true, but how can you?'- Siouxsie Siouxe
Sounds like they were feeding into hysteria over the recent terror attacks.
And because you just were different they profiled you.
It sucks but it does happen.
I'm so sorry that happened to you!
I don't know about you but imagining a goth doing a terrorist attack is really hard for me :D
A Fujoshi's Kommentary Of course, they are under pressure
Mimi The Potato sure, that's true. But generally someone who is going to commit an act of terror or try to harm people don't try to attract attention to themselves BEFORE they've committed that act. It's a bit counterproductive because it raises your risk of being caught before you complete your task.
because there's basically no dress code difference between a goth and a djihadist muslim!!!
As a french I can tell you that FUCK YES THEY ARE
The police tried to force me to come with them because I was wearing platform shoes with spikes on it and they told me "that can be a weapon" ..........dude how the fuck a 5'3" girl is supposed to hit someone with her shoe. h o w. because im still trying to understand that. I had to call my mom and she laughed when they told her what was going on lol
I brought flowers to give to some of the amazing graves there and had 2 left over which I decided to take with me.
Some other people were doing simular things.
When I left I was the only person who was pulled aside and demanded to know about the flowers. My friend spoke fluent French and the female gaurd refused to listen and started yelling at me and demanding I give her the flowers that I payed for.
She made a huge scene and would not listen to anybody.
So I just walked away and ignored her. She was so rude and horrible and I get what she may have been thinking. But even with someone telling her she refused to listen.
So fucking rude.
I wasn't dressed too outlandish, I had boots and I have tattoos but yeah. Pathetic really.
Amazing place though ♡
It's been like that all my life though. Rural Australian town are horrible. Worse people who look similar to you are often worse. It is so disrespectful to the culture.
They are just pathetic people that like to think they are especial but are just jerks. Hate that type of assholes.
"Big hair and a lot of makeup." God help Dolly Parton if she goes to Paris!
But on a serious note, that's so shitty what happened to you and I'm so sorry you had to go through that. :(
I just can not believe people deny you access because of how you look/dress. It's very rude. No matter what a person looks like, they should still be able to go where they wish to. I am very sorry that this happened to you and upset you. Just know that know, all of us still very much love how you are. Keep strong!!! Love you!!!
Why are there so many who clearly watch and enjoy black Fridays content dissing her style and saying she should look more "normal"? She likes the way she looks and that shouldn't be a problem regardless of race or country or religious beliefs. For fucks sake everyone is human and shouldn't have to be given bullshit when they go somewhere. Why are people like this? It's really not that hard to overlook someone's style unless you have a dense view of the world. All I'm saying is being normal isn't always a good thing either.
This is very upsetting to me as a viewer...you are a sweet and loving lady. All this shit you go through for your looks, you don't deserve this! I felt really terrible, esp. thinking about your anxiety. It's such a terrifying and crippling condition...I suffer from it too so I know how you feel. Glad to see you up and about again!!
This video breaks my heart. So sorry this happened to you! Wish I could say something to cheer you up, but I can't find any words that feels appropriate. It must have felt so awful. I hope you manage to restore some of the footage you took
You should make a TED talk :)
She totally should!! That would be amazing :)
What we need now is that a load of people, goth or not, should go dressed in a gothic style as a 'protest'
I think it's also a bit offensive to compare yourself to Native Americans. Sorry but that's just not the same thing at all.
K first off you don't understand what racism is- a systematic level of oppression (educate yourself).
The reason why goth culture, and the Native American *race* is not the same thing, is that while you may choose to identify as goth, you have the privilege of wiping off the makeup and taking off the clothes. Any oppression you face for it, you technically can escape, whether or not you choose to. This woman was discriminated against, but not for something that she couldn't remove, should she choose to do so. Native Americans cannot do that.
Also, let's not even pretend that one act of discrimination against one woman of a particular culture is even comparable to an entire genocide. That's just silly.
As a Native American 'goth'...I was in no way offended by sicsempertyrannis23s 1st initial comment as the diff of culture vs subculture was noted....
+blcdfblcdf - I agree
+sicsempertyrannis23 - I think that is a bad analogy. It isn't a choice to be Native American whereas it is to be a goth. Goth *is* a subculture but is *also* a fashion and is not exclusive to any person.
It's so heartbreaking hearing that this sort of stuff actually happens :( It's like all basic human decency disappears if you dress a little differently. Like you seem like such a nice person and your husband too, you're the last people who deserve to be treated like criminals
The Dancing Phoenix If you look a little differently in general. Or if you act a little differently.
Savannahkat well yeah, it's just so baffling that people are discriminative to this level in 2017 :(
my first time going out in my "full goth" outfit and makeup i was told by one of the cashiers at my favourite video store that i had to leave my backpack at with them even though i had isited several times before and was never told this before, i have severe anxiety issues and couldnt really enjoy my time there as much because i was worried about my backpack, and now im a little hesitant to go back because im worried about something like that happening again, i just wanted free popcorn and to look for some classic horror other than the creature from the black lagoon. they even made my mom give them her shopping bag.
i love the subculture and it sucks that people assume things because you look different
I'm a punk (classic you yknow mohawk spikes ect) and I've gotten yelled at for going into grocery stores (wth right?)
Here's an experiment. Dress (and I hate to use the word sorry) "normal" next time and do the exact same actions like videoing and taking pictures. It would be interesting if you get stopped the next time
Jade Salisbury She won't. That's the point.
Jade Salisbury Won't get stopped **
Jade
Why do you hate to use the word "normal?" That's the correct word. She doesn't dress normal. Her cloths are alternative, not normal.
@@perfectfae3534 because there would be goths bashing him if he didn't mention sorry
I probably would dress mainstream casual the very next day, make sure that I had a picture of myself all dressed up, and then go there again.
Once I was on my way out, I'd say to the security guards while showing the photo:
"Yeah, I'm the person you kicked out yesterday, you asshole. Don't you recognize me?"
But I have a spiteful streak in me, so...yeah. xD
so we all gonna show up to the Louvre totally gothed out together? seriously get like 100 of us and lets see them say something then.
justagirldemi i would go to paris just for that haha
justagirldemi I was going to suggest the same thing!
justagirldemi I'm gonna do this I swear (I'm Parisian)
omg yes
I'm pretty sure it would be bad publicity for you ahahaha we are used to demonstration and people would just laugh I'm sorry You better should make them regret what they did by making this story known or whatever
You can take photos in Pere Lachaise, those security guards were completely out of order. The cops would of been wasting their time, because there was no crime committed. What a bunch of dick wads. ¬_¬ I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I've been kicked out of the cemetery in the UK where my grandparents were buried in because I was dressed in gothic clothing, and I do think that they tar EVERYONE in with a few assholes. I know the security guard at the cemetery I was kicked out of, told me they had had 'Weird kids in before who destroyed gravestones' and I think they assume we're ALL going to do this, or like, roll around on the gravestones or something. It's utterly ridiculous. -___-
Holyfiremolotov...HAHA! when you said they assumed us Goths will maybe "roll around on gravestones"...I pictured it in my mind. :-p...People (not everyone of course) but people are just weird about things they don't understand fully...I am a disabled Goth, so I get crap from many angles...I let allot of stuff go cause I figure I'm going to be me forever, so why not be myself & be happy with who I am & life...but when people say dumb stuff like: "can I use your can for a minute" or tell me at the grocery store "it must be convient to have a cart (walker) to carry groceries" (I told him that it would be even more convenient not to need a walker) or things about my looks like, "That's what I want to be for Halloween" or "Halloween is over" or when people turn around at a store, get wide eyed & back away (I kinda laugh at that, cause those are the people who NEED to back away & not hang out with me)...It is annoying though! Not everyone is like this though..."To every action, there is an equal & opposite reaction!"...But point is, it is annoying, saddening even that when someone doesn't understand to such a degree, that it turns to fear & to mask fear it turns to anger...I just don't understand why anger is more socially acceptable than just being honest that the root cause of anger is fear & misunderstanding...If you don't understand something you never experienced personally, it's OK to admit it & ask questions & learn something & grow as a human being & become a better person for it...No one knows everything & not everything outside of ourselves is a cause for fear...If we would admit we don't know everything about the world & try to learn & grow, we could just bypass all the disharmony & strife...It's not a simple process, but it's one that makes the world better, not worse. We are never going to totally see eye to eye always as a human race, but why do we have to make things so black & white sometimes?
HA! Can=Cane! :-p
As a lesbian married to a woman living in the deep south in the U.S I can totally relate.
Petty Crocker liar
@@kimmyymmik dont be "that" guy.
Im from Tennessee so I understand and unfortunately relate to all of this.
Yay! Stand up for yourself and make sure you get a public apology.
I just want to say that you and Matthias are inspiring and lovely people~
I am french and I am very sorry this happened to you , it's plain discrimination based on looks! Please come back to France, it's really beautiful! I swear most of us are lovely people, I am so sorry you had such an awful experience :(
hope this gets as much attention as possible so these people can be shamed.
This is disgusting, I'm so ashamed of the human race. It seems like stuff like this happens WAY too often.
I'm sooo sorry that they treated you guys like that. The both of u are very sweet n loving n the people who were hating those dorks are just jealous of how confident and gorgeous you are sending hugs
oh good, I was really hoping we'd get a video about this! I wanted to know more!
I literally cannot believe this. This is the rudest thing I've heard in quite a while, and really upsets me, and should upset anybody, regardless of them being goth or not. I'm really sorry, and I hope this goes viral, I'll do my part and share it. I do send you all my love, and I hope it helps a bit. Watching your blogs really helps my day get better, and even though we don't share the same stetics, I do believe you are gorgeous. :) Love from Colombia
I get kicked out of stops, busses, stopped by police, yelled at, spat at and harassed just for existing in my black skin. Most people want to just minimize your experience because the truth is too hard to deal with. This is not ok. Choosing to look different or just bring born the "none preferred skin color" and being hurt because of that is not ok. Don't minimize people's experiences, listen to them.
Iannai Omni I'm so sorry that happens to you , hopefully one day we will all live in peace as we deserve
That's horrible that that happened to you :( I'm a muslim American living in the u.s.a. , so I can relate to your experience
That is entirely bullshit. Yes, use the power of the internet to share your story. They need to be held accountable for their actions.
Good for you to speak out about these experiences, for over 20 years I have happily been goth and can remember all the times I have been belittled, yelled at, even spat on. One thing I am proud of is standing up for myself but at times it is disheartening to realise that as I get older another generation comes along and behaves in the exact same way toward me. I wanted to travel and visit places I have admired for years yet I let these experiences change that dream (I lost courage). Time to start dreaming again and not be afraid. This video has helped me realise this. Thankyou.
Fuck this discrimination.
You are perfect as you are Black Friday, Be who you are no matter what.
BTW Protip, if this shit happens again where they force you to delete, get a sd card for "fake videos" where you record fake vlog material, when you're asked for them to see the pic, say that your camera died and you have to get the spare battery, as you are getting the battery swap out the sd cards to the one with the fake vlogs and delete the fake vlogs. I do this all the time to get the video i want.
ItsRedrum Redrum has some good ideas. It would have been fun to be there with you and try out the French I am just learning. It would be interesting to do a documentary on Goths and "Gothism " and part of it would be to follow you around with a hidden camera and see how people react to you in different places and interview them as to why they really think the way they do. I think people might react a little different in New York, D.C., San Francisco, London, Madrid and Venice. I'd love to shoot it. It would be ironic if it was a hit at Cannes. Write me.
ItsRedrum Redrum has some good ideas. It would have been fun to be there with you and try out the French I am just learning. It would be interesting to do a documentary on Goths and "Gothism " and part of it would be to follow you around with a hidden camera and see how people react to you in different places and interview them as to why they really think the way they do. I think people might react a little different in New York, D.C., San Francisco, London, Madrid and Venice. I'd love to shoot it. It would be ironic if it was a hit at Cannes. Write me.
LMAO are you asking me? Or Black Friday, cause if it is me id be down tho i live in chicago lmao
That may not be the case for France and private property unfortunately
As soon as the article is released share it with us!!!!!!!!
My dear you are a beautiful work of art, your own special creation, I'm so sorry that they made you cry, don't ever stop being who you are and express that any way you see fit!
I saw your post about this on Facebook. That's completely ridiculous what they did to you!
Alternative flashmob.
This is just so heartbreaking. I cried while listening to your story.
:::::actual art trying to get in an art museum::: *access denied*
Funny story. I went to the Louvre when I was about 19. I had black pants a black tank top with a silver dragon on it and a belt with a skull and crossbones belt buckle. Not as glamed out at Black Friday but you could tell I was goth. An eastern German family was literally terrified of me. Their children would not stop looking at me as if I was going to eat them. I didn't notice until I passed by the 12 year old looking daughter clutching to her mother who was also watching me. My dad explained that eastern Germans, especially from the countryside were still superstitious and probably thought I was an evil witch. I felt awful but there really wasnt anything I could do.
hotarubi13 Honestly I would have taken it as a compliement. Like you think I'm a witch? Amazing. Damn I wish I was. Glad to know that you at least think I look like one
hotarubi13 Hahaha(=>.
hotarubi13 as someone who lived in germany,thats bullshit
Aleks Stan My father lived in Germany too. As we didn't get to talk with the family we can only assume. They were speaking German so that was our only clue.
hotarubi13 Nah man, I don't think that was it.One of Germanys most famous front man of a Band used to dress like that. I think they where more scared because you looked like a "Punk" or something. Punks had a reputation of being violant, and people still walk rather around them. It probably was a case of: "Oh look,that person dresses different than us, they must be weird". I got strange looks because I used to wear black smokey eyes and dark Lipstick. People are weird like that
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I'm so good looking I too won't be allowed in the Louvre in case I cause a distraction...........
This is so frustrating...especially that an ART museum would discriminate against ARTISTIC people. UGH. It's so wrong...I'm glad you spoke out on social media....hopefully it made them feel like fools.
Saw some of this story on sc and it was so heart breaking
That surprises me a lot. My boyfriend and i went to paris too (several years ago) and we were styled the same way you are and we had no worries ro get into the louvre... :(
MOTHER BAT CRIED? I'm so sorry to hear that, Oscar Wilde is on his way to have a showdown with those guards
GET THIS VIDEO TO SCARCE! This needs to be known. love ya girl
No one should suffer discrimination for the way the look! You're self expressive, beautiful, clean, what else could anyone want? MAKEUP TIPS! Hugs & love, Julie. PS - I'm bringing my channel online shortly, & seriously need updated Hair & makeup tips.