I hope in the next FM game Gegenpress is not so overpowered. Now everyone is using a higher defensive line with much higher press and get stuck in. The AI needs to find a way to counter it with long balls. Or maybe even "look for fouls" since everyone is tackling harder and it doesn't seem to have and drawbacks.
I agree. And not just that, the other systems that are more defensive (or balanced) need to offer more. If they were effective, everyone wuldn’t need to rely on high-intensity tactics all the time. They use it because it works.
On the press interview after the match, the manager of Indonesia said in Indonesian language that they used some Opposition Instruction on key players of Germany team. Too bad the translator didn't understand about the FM term and couldn't translate it better.
@@nikkotrisnantoro8243 Manar, the Assistant Manager, has been playing since 2008, and Ichsan, the Manager, has only been playing FM since last year. This statement is from the Season 3 group stage video.
nope.. that psywar from other country that indonesia can not play, coz only play this game for a year. but after beating england (if i'm not mistake). the assistent said thay had playing this game in 20 years
@@Irene_Hwang ooof😂, Since 2008, I'm Indonesian aswell and I've been playing this game since 2000 season😂. Seems we got alotta vets in fm (or formerly known as CM)😂
I don’t use too many team instructions. After watching FIFAe, I feel bad for not using too many team instructions. But the gamers in FIFAe had a squad packed with best players. Will that tactic work in SkyBet League 2 with below average players? I doubt it. You might have way too many injuries, and tired players to even start the next game. In the end, you have to work with the players you have. That’s why the first advice still stands. As your team gets better, you can go crazy aggressive if you want.
You need to have almost full understanding of the game to use that many instruction. In case of casual gamer, you dont need to and instead focus on something more general rather than going 10 hours to tweak the instructions.
Everyone was just using the same roles and the meta throughout the whole tournament which takes away the whole point of the wc. Double volante with DM support, full backs, and inside forward.
Call explain in words how impressive this has been in my Wolverhampton wonder save won 6-0 at Tottenham yes I have had the odd bananas skin game but that’s just football
Thank You Dark Horse for the tactics a must try looks like they played miracle 1 tactic in the final and destroyed Germany ,cheers. Wonder if these tactics will work with Normal players as they had world class players on the pitch,only one way to find out is give them ago.
yeah, i agree most of them used the best performing tactic on fm arena or a slightly tweaked version of it. even south africa''s cool looking asymmetric tactic is a tweak of gasp v4. some guys who played somehat original formations sadly didn't perform as much as the others though. i would have liked to see peru, belgium, malaysia or norway do better and somehow make it to semifinals but it wasn't to be. so my fear for the next event is everyone will come with a similar version of the best tactic in fm arena and it will be more of an rng thing to go through the league phase, which is not healthy for an esport i think
No bro, and anyone that tell you they do is probably lying. FM24 Match Engine is too random. You can win a lot and score 7 goals in some games, but to score 4+ goals in everygame for 38 games is almost impossible.
@@DarkHorseFM2024 oh get you but can you at least help a brother and tell me very very op players I can sign for a 100m budget , I think I need better players than the ones I have it doesn’t matter if they are meta
@@peppythepivot no one can play 90 min at much higer tempo, much more close down, get stuck in, counter press and counter. Btw Germany tactic with 2 SV on attack in mid are killer. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree, but that's a major tournament, and they had access to some of the best in-game players in the game. I fell that's why the overpowered tactics worked to a treat. But will the same tactic work in non-league and lower leagues?
@@DarkHorseFM2024actually thats one of their strength, in other interview they stated that their tactics need the player to full “gegenpressing” for 90min, very hard approach. Thats why they dont buy marquee player, instead they makesure to have a very balanced team so their bench is as strong as the 11start.
FM is not an esport.. they won using meta tactics and meta opposition instructions…I could teach a monkey to do the same. If you watch the other teams in the competition when they were losing they did nothing in response to what was happening. They are not skilled just playing the formation that they believe is meta. Everyone saying could these players go into real football……DREAM ON. Pep doesn’t click tackle harder and press more 😊
There's all the aspect of team management, training and the transfers. The tactic meta is just like any moba or RTS, people with statistics knowledge will do some sort of experiment and discover it, it's sports interactive job to balance it out. But if you think deep, there's metas in real life also because of analytics, the narrow width and low crosses are just aligned with the changes that xG made to the game.
I hope in the next FM game Gegenpress is not so overpowered. Now everyone is using a higher defensive line with much higher press and get stuck in. The AI needs to find a way to counter it with long balls. Or maybe even "look for fouls" since everyone is tackling harder and it doesn't seem to have and drawbacks.
I agree. And not just that, the other systems that are more defensive (or balanced) need to offer more. If they were effective, everyone wuldn’t need to rely on high-intensity tactics all the time. They use it because it works.
Waiting for Route One to become meta in FM25.
Cmiiw but isn't it 4-2-3-1 gegenpress already overpowered for almost a decade? And they haven't balanced it for that long?
@@jacklang3314 I get this FM was more based around gegen press / possession but I want one that makes counter attacking meta
No worries, gegenpress is going to be removed from fm25 only to be put back in when its ready
On the press interview after the match, the manager of Indonesia said in Indonesian language that they used some Opposition Instruction on key players of Germany team. Too bad the translator didn't understand about the FM term and couldn't translate it better.
Yess, that’s so true. Opposition Instructions are crucial in this game.
I watch his stream he only OI the midfield .
@@MarceloAlahid-vm3if yes, maybe they considered German midfield are the key players.
@@suryawinangun no it is in his portoguesr when not even in tournament. He only uses the midfield OI
Yes he marked the wingbacks of germany so they cant make a crossing
the fact that the indonesian managaer only played the game for a year is very fascinating
Keknya boong dah, di akhir final kemarin si asisten nya ngomong kalo mereka sudah main bertahun tahun 😂😂😂
@@nikkotrisnantoro8243 Manar, the Assistant Manager, has been playing since 2008, and Ichsan, the Manager, has only been playing FM since last year. This statement is from the Season 3 group stage video.
True wonderkid
nope.. that psywar from other country that indonesia can not play, coz only play this game for a year. but after beating england (if i'm not mistake). the assistent said thay had playing this game in 20 years
@@Irene_Hwang ooof😂, Since 2008, I'm Indonesian aswell and I've been playing this game since 2000 season😂. Seems we got alotta vets in fm (or formerly known as CM)😂
His nickname 'Miracle'!!! Tjis tactic very hard to defend every cross if your your versus with him
Great vid. Just subbed! Might have to try this tactic out honestly
Thank you for this info, will learn a lot from these details.
FM UA-camrs: You don’t need too many Team Instructions
Still FM UA-camrs: Show a winning tactic with wayy too many Team Instructions
I don’t use too many team instructions. After watching FIFAe, I feel bad for not using too many team instructions.
But the gamers in FIFAe had a squad packed with best players. Will that tactic work in SkyBet League 2 with below average players? I doubt it.
You might have way too many injuries, and tired players to even start the next game.
In the end, you have to work with the players you have.
That’s why the first advice still stands.
As your team gets better, you can go crazy aggressive if you want.
@@DarkHorseFM2024I totally get that. The line between too much and not enough isn’t clear to people still learning the game like me
You need to have almost full understanding of the game to use that many instruction. In case of casual gamer, you dont need to and instead focus on something more general rather than going 10 hours to tweak the instructions.
@@DarkHorseFM2024Not true. It won the national league easily with kidderminster who are predicted to finish 23rd.
"miracle" 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Perfect name for the tactic.
Everyone was just using the same roles and the meta throughout the whole tournament which takes away the whole point of the wc. Double volante with DM support, full backs, and inside forward.
S.I might nerf the VOL role next year.
Not participant fault honestly,this is tournanent,so they need to use best to win
Call explain in words how impressive this has been in my Wolverhampton wonder save won 6-0 at Tottenham yes I have had the odd bananas skin game but that’s just football
Indoesia tactic is Corner kict at near post and best header from fullkrug..
nice video ❤️gegenpress is op
and the laptop turned into a helicopter 😂
Yes please, my laptop is an airplane on take off
I need a new, quieter, cooler PC.
Thanks DarkHorseFM, I think our game just went to the next level with this tournament.
I completely agree!
This and draw with Saudi Arabia is the best present for Indonesian Football community 🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩
Thank You Dark Horse for the tactics a must try looks like they played miracle 1 tactic in the final and destroyed Germany ,cheers. Wonder if these tactics will work with Normal players as they had world class players on the pitch,only one way to find out is give them ago.
You’re right. But i’ve seen a similar tactic work for lower quality players
@@DarkHorseFM2024 The first 1 and Miracle 3 are very similar but Miracle 2 is awesome smashing the premier league with Brighton P 4 W 4 F 17 A 2 👍
Update on that save
@@zainabideen2825 Won the league by 7pts
I use this tactic, and really best of the best tactic for me.. 😂
It’s one of the best I’ve seen
@@DarkHorseFM2024which one is better
This tactic looks alot like what you would find on FMArena and their tactic testing page. That kinda takes something away from them in my opinion
yeah, i agree most of them used the best performing tactic on fm arena or a slightly tweaked version of it. even south africa''s cool looking asymmetric tactic is a tweak of gasp v4. some guys who played somehat original formations sadly didn't perform as much as the others though. i would have liked to see peru, belgium, malaysia or norway do better and somehow make it to semifinals but it wasn't to be. so my fear for the next event is everyone will come with a similar version of the best tactic in fm arena and it will be more of an rng thing to go through the league phase, which is not healthy for an esport i think
We also need the set pieces. It was very important for the Indonesian team.
I'll work on their set-piece Routines soon.
Just find it boring that 4231 is frequently used. For competition sake and make it more exciting, 4231 should be banned.
I've never really settled on the 4-2-3-1 on Football Manager either, I could've used it more.
Can you bring Svonn tactics? thanks
Hey bro , do you know any overpowered tactic to score at least 4 goals per game ?
No bro, and anyone that tell you they do is probably lying. FM24 Match Engine is too random. You can win a lot and score 7 goals in some games, but to score 4+ goals in everygame for 38 games is almost impossible.
@@DarkHorseFM2024 oh get you but can you at least help a brother and tell me very very op players I can sign for a 100m budget , I think I need better players than the ones I have it doesn’t matter if they are meta
I would love them to be meta, mainly some 9s and a dm
@@thegridering9054 emmanuel emegha for your 9
Can you help me get access to the save files please? I've been trying o find them all day
It’s on “fifa.gg” website, just click on Competitions (or Tournament) then choose Football Manager.
You can browse the participants and their saves.
@@DarkHorseFM2024 my hero thank you!
@@DarkHorseFM2024 I must be blind because i cant see the save files. any advice?
Hi thanks for the Vid where can we access the save file?
You can find it on the FIFAe website. They loaded the saves on there.
For me, they want to break ME and that is all it is. No balance, no rules etc. Too much team/player instructions are breaking ME.
True, very attacking tactics are very strong. But I guess in real life it's also true. Look at liverpool for example.
@@peppythepivot no one can play 90 min at much higer tempo, much more close down, get stuck in, counter press and counter.
Btw Germany tactic with 2 SV on attack in mid are killer. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree, but that's a major tournament, and they had access to some of the best in-game players in the game. I fell that's why the overpowered tactics worked to a treat. But will the same tactic work in non-league and lower leagues?
teams don't press high for 90mins, I agree
@@DarkHorseFM2024actually thats one of their strength, in other interview they stated that their tactics need the player to full “gegenpressing” for 90min, very hard approach. Thats why they dont buy marquee player, instead they makesure to have a very balanced team so their bench is as strong as the 11start.
what training did he use?? and do they have instructions
To know this we’ll have to watch the entire 33 hour stream. (day 1 to Day 3)
@@DarkHorseFM2024 where is video
@@admirgazic7084fifae channel
Training by assistant, nothing specified through groupstage
can this be a plug and play tactic?
Yes it can. But find the right players
4231 gegenpress bro never fails
It's sad that I don't like the shape, I should've used it more or trusted it more.
What is the instruction for the ST bro?
You keep missed to click ke ST position😂
Only tackle harder, advanced forward role
Used alot better as for me doesn't score enough or outplay teams
Wow, that’s amazing, can you share the “alot better” tactics with us.
You can reach out to me on X:
x.com/_darkhorseFM
FM is not an esport.. they won using meta tactics and meta opposition instructions…I could teach a monkey to do the same. If you watch the other teams in the competition when they were losing they did nothing in response to what was happening. They are not skilled just playing the formation that they believe is meta. Everyone saying could these players go into real football……DREAM ON. Pep doesn’t click tackle harder and press more 😊
no shit Sherlock, it's a game. of course players are gonna use meta to win tournaments.
@komo514 my point was it is not an esport watson
This is tournanent,need to use best tactic to win
There's all the aspect of team management, training and the transfers. The tactic meta is just like any moba or RTS, people with statistics knowledge will do some sort of experiment and discover it, it's sports interactive job to balance it out. But if you think deep, there's metas in real life also because of analytics, the narrow width and low crosses are just aligned with the changes that xG made to the game.
They actually made adjustment during the game