For anyone watching this Video, just a clarification: This was an April fools joke and should not be take seriously. There are a lot of over the top interpretations and factually incorrect statements in this theory that I'm well aware about, so please, don't get mad over this video, it should just be light-hearted fun :3
YOURESO FUCKING CORRECT UNIRONICALLY I HATE ORPHION HES SO SELFISH AND ONLY OUT FOR HIMSELF AND DOESNT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT US YOURE CORRECT YOURE CORRECT
I’m so sorry I’m a lore enthusiast 💔💔💔💔 and #1 orphion hater like literally practically all the points u brought up are the points I use in my theory 😭🙏
8:26 Literally said “holy fuck” out loud when you said that. Based theory lol Btw, wow, this is an insanely high-quality video, great job, I hope your channel continues to grow!
A few little details/minor corrections; - The War of the Realms didn't just happen at some point in the past, but was basically one of- if not *the* - first events, being something that began before time itself was a thing. - Dern Beast's identity isn't known, and insofar is referred to by "They" or "It" by all game text (the text from that one secret discovery that said "he" was actually changed to "it" a while back) - Orphion didn't spread Morals to the Elves, Orphion is stated to be above all morals and any sense of "good" or "bad". Think of it more as the elves creating codes that they believe follows the desires of Orphion, when in reality he is such an alien being that the concept of morality is foreign to him. - The whole deal with Realm of Light 2's dilemma isn't that Orphion believes that the option you are forced to do is "right", it's just that it's the option he needs, as it aligns with his goals the most. He has zero care for the ethics of Urelix fleshcrafting golems, and only cares about the fact that those golems will aid in Wynn's corruption war. Quotes from Orphion on this: "You must realize what is needed. You must see light through my lens. To leave... As destiny unfolds, the sun shall set. To end the life of Urelix... The shadows of war shall engulf all."
While you can also advocate that DB is a good guy, to do so you'd have to either ignore or really warp a fair bit of evidence towards the contrary. Most notably, the Ultimate Discovery of the Silent Expanse wherein DB outright talks about how Bak'al should extinguish the hope of the people in Wynn so that they can claim the territory; "Peon, you have spread my influence. My will remains foreign. They yet hope. The Olm do not. And so we could claim their lands. But here, we may not."
None of this discredits your theory, it just changes some of the details about it. Even with these amendments you can still certainly paint an unfavorable image of Orphion
I realise that not everything is 100% correct. This video was more of an April fools joke and an attempt to completely twist Wynncrafts central narrative. I wanted to go the conspiracy theory route and twist sources like Ne du Valeos du Ellach, since they are very cryptic and can be interpreted a lot of different ways. As to the obvious sources that disprove the theory, and there are quite a lot of them as you mentioned, I just decided to ignore them :/ But thanks for the clarification and for the support, It really means a lot to me :)
@@AetTheFurry Ah yes, admitting you made everything up in the hardest to find place. That's as dishonest as it gets. Also, nothing here says it was an April fools joke, so you just made people believe fake news. Good job! You will get a job at CNN, MSNBC, or other news platforms soon!
Here is a rebuttal to everything I can refute (ordered by when they appear in the video): Heads up: a wrote a lot more than I thought I would. *Orphion trying to “help”:* 1. I played through the hole game and did every secret discovery. Nothing mentions Orphion creating the Lazarus Pit, and you have no citation for it. 2. Even if he created the Lazarus Pit, your claim that it was in response to the forest becoming dark must also have a citation. It is possible that it was created long before and then was corrupted by the darkness, which would hold the Dern Beast responsible for all those deaths. However, either of us can cite anything, so this is irrelevant. 3. The parasite made Dullahan a monster, not the pit. Source: Realm of Light Part III 4. The souls of the miners are safer in the monolith than consumed by dark creatures. Also, nothing stops them from leaving. Source: Point of No Return *Lore backstory:* 5. The Olm where intelligent long before Dern invaded. Source: Fate of the Olm, which showed that they also feared the darkness. I wounder why? 6. Citation needed for the elf part until #6. 7. The elves chopped the original guardian of the forest because they saw a vision from them, which they thought was an encouragement. However, you have no proof that it was an encouragement and Lari, who serves Orphion, tried to stop them. It’s possible that it was a warning misinterpreted by mortals, who are stupid by nature. This would make sense because Orphion does not communicate like a mortal, as evident with a frog wearing a top hat as a messenger and being very figurative when talking to the player. *52 lines of dialogue:* 8. Yes, literal light and literal dark have no morality, but that does not mean that the ones who embody those can’t have morality. That was a lesson specific to Lari, who was too moral to do what was right, which was killing the parasite. 9. How do you know that Orphion didn’t try to tell Lari to kill the parasite? Citation needed. 10. You talk about how immoral Orphion is and then warn us about morals. That’s VERY hypocritical. *“What the crap” Orphion:* 11. What Orphion puts you though is very similar to the Trolly Problem. If killing the mayor is evil, does that mean you shouldn't pull the lever to the five people instead of the one? Also, see point #10 again about morals. 12. The “only one choice” part is to get you do what is needed for the greater good of not having all of Wynn and Gavel taken over. I will also just preface this now: *There is no correlation between what feels good and what does good.* 13. The choice thing wasn’t even real. 14. Everything else you said in this part needs a citation. *Ne du Valoes du Ellach:* 15. Everything you say here needs a citation. 16. You skipped the parts that would show the Dern Beast’s intentions. That’s a Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. 17. Bak'al, who commands the corrupted to destroy all of wynn, serves the Dern Beast, who you claim hates the corruption. 18. How is infecting the Realm of Light and Orphion supposed to maintain a balance between light and dark? Think Mark! 19. Who knows what machinations were happening while the parasite hid for 800 years. *Applying the knowledge:* WHERE ARE THE CITATIONS?!?!?!?! Overall, your worse mistakes are not seeing both sides, failing to add citations to almost everything you said, and forgetting about Dark's Secret, the ultimate discovery of the silent expanse. However, the editing was pretty good.
Well, your worst mistake was taking this video seriously: First, this video is an April fools joke, second, I literally said at the end of the video that I intentionally misinterpreted and left out vital information, like in Ne du Valeos du Ellach. I wanted to create a light hearted, conspiracy as an April fools joke while also critisizing the blandness and genericness of Wynncrafts lore. So yeah, most of your points are valid, but it comes of as teaching someone that the earth is round, because they joked about being a flat earther
@@AetTheFurry 1. Nowhere does it confess that this was an April fools joke 2. The part at the end could be referring to the other side's misinterpretations and lack of counter arguments 3. Nobody watches the outros, so that last part never gets to them. Combine that with how NOBODY thinks critically anymore, and you create an army of nitwits, which is the last thing our world needs right now
@@TheFireMouseYT I thought the sheer absurdness of the theory made it pretty clear, but I'll pin a comment clarifying it was an April fools joke, to counter the "nitwits". Anyways, I don't want to turn this into an argument, just wanting to get my point across :/
For anyone watching this Video, just a clarification: This was an April fools joke and should not be take seriously. There are a lot of over the top interpretations and factually incorrect statements in this theory that I'm well aware about, so please, don't get mad over this video, it should just be light-hearted fun :3
YOURESO FUCKING CORRECT UNIRONICALLY I HATE ORPHION HES SO SELFISH AND ONLY OUT FOR HIMSELF AND DOESNT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT US YOURE CORRECT YOURE CORRECT
I’m so sorry I’m a lore enthusiast 💔💔💔💔 and #1 orphion hater like literally practically all the points u brought up are the points I use in my theory 😭🙏
Wynncrafts lore in General is kinda Bad, but RoL questline is just a big stupid Info dump that doesn't even make sense xD
I think that wynn definitely needs more lore hidden details etc
Some quests, like shattered minds are pretty good at it, imagine the entire storyline like this :D
8:26
Literally said “holy fuck” out loud when you said that. Based theory lol
Btw, wow, this is an insanely high-quality video, great job, I hope your channel continues to grow!
tysm
amazing vid good job
thanks :)
lari is baby. justa lil guy who was toyed with and used by an entity who she was raised to see as a god. she can do no wrong, I stand with lari
Based opinion
I think Dullahan would disagree.
@@DylanLCutshall he ded :/
@@AetTheFurry his spirit/ghost is not
Would love to see more theories from you
A few little details/minor corrections;
- The War of the Realms didn't just happen at some point in the past, but was basically one of- if not *the* - first events, being something that began before time itself was a thing.
- Dern Beast's identity isn't known, and insofar is referred to by "They" or "It" by all game text (the text from that one secret discovery that said "he" was actually changed to "it" a while back)
- Orphion didn't spread Morals to the Elves, Orphion is stated to be above all morals and any sense of "good" or "bad". Think of it more as the elves creating codes that they believe follows the desires of Orphion, when in reality he is such an alien being that the concept of morality is foreign to him.
- The whole deal with Realm of Light 2's dilemma isn't that Orphion believes that the option you are forced to do is "right", it's just that it's the option he needs, as it aligns with his goals the most. He has zero care for the ethics of Urelix fleshcrafting golems, and only cares about the fact that those golems will aid in Wynn's corruption war.
Quotes from Orphion on this:
"You must realize what is needed. You must see light through my lens.
To leave... As destiny unfolds, the sun shall set.
To end the life of Urelix... The shadows of war shall engulf all."
While you can also advocate that DB is a good guy, to do so you'd have to either ignore or really warp a fair bit of evidence towards the contrary. Most notably, the Ultimate Discovery of the Silent Expanse wherein DB outright talks about how Bak'al should extinguish the hope of the people in Wynn so that they can claim the territory;
"Peon, you have spread my influence. My will remains foreign. They yet hope. The Olm do not. And so we could claim their lands. But here, we may not."
None of this discredits your theory, it just changes some of the details about it. Even with these amendments you can still certainly paint an unfavorable image of Orphion
I realise that not everything is 100% correct. This video was more of an April fools joke and an attempt to completely twist Wynncrafts central narrative. I wanted to go the conspiracy theory route and twist sources like Ne du Valeos du Ellach, since they are very cryptic and can be interpreted a lot of different ways. As to the obvious sources that disprove the theory, and there are quite a lot of them as you mentioned, I just decided to ignore them :/ But thanks for the clarification and for the support, It really means a lot to me :)
@@AetTheFurry Ah yes, admitting you made everything up in the hardest to find place. That's as dishonest as it gets. Also, nothing here says it was an April fools joke, so you just made people believe fake news. Good job! You will get a job at CNN, MSNBC, or other news platforms soon!
Based video
Thanks
cool
maybe...or maybe not...no one will ever know...
Here is a rebuttal to everything I can refute (ordered by when they appear in the video): Heads up: a wrote a lot more than I thought I would.
*Orphion trying to “help”:*
1. I played through the hole game and did every secret discovery. Nothing mentions Orphion creating the Lazarus Pit, and you have no citation for it.
2. Even if he created the Lazarus Pit, your claim that it was in response to the forest becoming dark must also have a citation. It is possible that it was created long before and then was corrupted by the darkness, which would hold the Dern Beast responsible for all those deaths. However, either of us can cite anything, so this is irrelevant.
3. The parasite made Dullahan a monster, not the pit. Source: Realm of Light Part III
4. The souls of the miners are safer in the monolith than consumed by dark creatures. Also, nothing stops them from leaving. Source: Point of No Return
*Lore backstory:*
5. The Olm where intelligent long before Dern invaded. Source: Fate of the Olm, which showed that they also feared the darkness. I wounder why?
6. Citation needed for the elf part until #6.
7. The elves chopped the original guardian of the forest because they saw a vision from them, which they thought was an encouragement. However, you have no proof that it was an encouragement and Lari, who serves Orphion, tried to stop them. It’s possible that it was a warning misinterpreted by mortals, who are stupid by nature. This would make sense because Orphion does not communicate like a mortal, as evident with a frog wearing a top hat as a messenger and being very figurative when talking to the player.
*52 lines of dialogue:*
8. Yes, literal light and literal dark have no morality, but that does not mean that the ones who embody those can’t have morality. That was a lesson specific to Lari, who was too moral to do what was right, which was killing the parasite.
9. How do you know that Orphion didn’t try to tell Lari to kill the parasite? Citation needed.
10. You talk about how immoral Orphion is and then warn us about morals. That’s VERY hypocritical.
*“What the crap” Orphion:*
11. What Orphion puts you though is very similar to the Trolly Problem. If killing the mayor is evil, does that mean you shouldn't pull the lever to the five people instead of the one? Also, see point #10 again about morals.
12. The “only one choice” part is to get you do what is needed for the greater good of not having all of Wynn and Gavel taken over. I will also just preface this now: *There is no correlation between what feels good and what does good.*
13. The choice thing wasn’t even real.
14. Everything else you said in this part needs a citation.
*Ne du Valoes du Ellach:*
15. Everything you say here needs a citation.
16. You skipped the parts that would show the Dern Beast’s intentions. That’s a Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
17. Bak'al, who commands the corrupted to destroy all of wynn, serves the Dern Beast, who you claim hates the corruption.
18. How is infecting the Realm of Light and Orphion supposed to maintain a balance between light and dark? Think Mark!
19. Who knows what machinations were happening while the parasite hid for 800 years.
*Applying the knowledge:* WHERE ARE THE CITATIONS?!?!?!?!
Overall, your worse mistakes are not seeing both sides, failing to add citations to almost everything you said, and forgetting about Dark's Secret, the ultimate discovery of the silent expanse. However, the editing was pretty good.
Well, your worst mistake was taking this video seriously: First, this video is an April fools joke, second, I literally said at the end of the video that I intentionally misinterpreted and left out vital information, like in Ne du Valeos du Ellach. I wanted to create a light hearted, conspiracy as an April fools joke while also critisizing the blandness and genericness of Wynncrafts lore. So yeah, most of your points are valid, but it comes of as teaching someone that the earth is round, because they joked about being a flat earther
@@AetTheFurry
1. Nowhere does it confess that this was an April fools joke
2. The part at the end could be referring to the other side's misinterpretations and lack of counter arguments
3. Nobody watches the outros, so that last part never gets to them. Combine that with how NOBODY thinks critically anymore, and you create an army of nitwits, which is the last thing our world needs right now
@@TheFireMouseYT I thought the sheer absurdness of the theory made it pretty clear, but I'll pin a comment clarifying it was an April fools joke, to counter the "nitwits". Anyways, I don't want to turn this into an argument, just wanting to get my point across :/
@@AetTheFurry I want this argument to stop to. Thank you for pinning the comment and have a great day
What are you Stalking about? 😂
Im not stalking anybody...yet :/
COOL VID
Thanks :)