I am Indonesian, I learn Silat as part of tradition (Indonesian proverb: all boys must learn silat and surat - fighting and literature) and Karate as extra in elementary school. The two blend very well, particularly the Kata Tekki (or the Naihanchi version).
I practice Pentjak Silat Bukti Negara. One thing I never see anyone talking about is how Silat is bridge fighting. it's meant to stay in a straight line and push forwards, but throwing the opponent off balance preferably to the side, but backwards too. If you notice at 1:31. He's changing from the inside, to outside line. He, himself, is staying in a straight line, but making his opponent shift. This is called, pushing off the bridge. You strike, damage/break something, shift them to outside throwing them off balance and pushing them into the water. If they drown, you didn't kill them. The water did. My Guru calls it the "Lego Hand", but it's important to practice. Basically your hand is the shape of a Lego figure's hand. fingers together and curved with the thumb making the same shape as a Lego hand. It allows increased strength when gripping, or grabbing the arms and makes it harder for your opponent to simply pull away from your grip.
@KarateUnity I have learned a lot from you and him. I love your channel and respect that you're willing to explore other forms like I do. The more we know, the better we are.
I recall a young Bukti Negari player invaded an elderly Silat master's backyard at night to challenge the elderly man while the Bukti Nagari friends video recorded from the bushes. The fight began as escrima stick fighting which turned into a very poor grappling and wrestling bout, where the elderly master held the young yard invader from bukti negari in stalemate until the elderly master suffered a heart attack and collapsed. As he was in cardiac arrest the young Bukti negari player kicked the dying old man while he was down before declaring himself a victor while his friends shouted bukti negari. UA-cam removed the video due to many complaints from the deceased man's family & friends. Bukti negari community quickly disavowed the thug who attacked the old man in his back yard then kicked him while he lay dying from cardiac arrest.
yes, I do pencak silat and chaning the angle and positioning is one aspect of silat I really love, I know from a knife confrontation years ago that it works. that basic sidestep saved my life.
All of these -- Silat, Okinawan Karate, Wing Chun, etc. -- track to southern Chinese kung fu (White Crane especially). These concepts proliferated through the maritime trading networks of the region.
I dig it. This looks exactly like how Tai Chi fist is supposed to be used! I recognize a lot of the positions and rhythm from what I practice. I've never seen someone show that before publicly though. This is why I've always liked Silat. It's very similar, but much more popular but usually taught much better.
The circular blocks can also be arm bars or breaks. It can also be a form of pummeling. Everything is based on your exposure that’s why cross training is powerful it has been used in the Shaolin Monastery to refine their Arts over the centuries.
wow, these guy knows how to win in every single fight!! Thank you so much for complete and real martial artists!!! People best not test them in public or they will lose in3 seconds!!!
@@jeffarto8340 no no no…..😂…. it’s not about winning every fight, I’m not an expert in any of this, I’ve just picked up some strategies that has worked for me and, people on my team live had experience in the field of self protection, have passed on valuable knowledge to me that helped my students and myself….. There’s never a solid solution to any situation, anyone who tells you that is lying….. I continuously play with ideas, mostly for fun, and of course I drill the ones that I think will save lives.
that's what silat is all about. Leave the fighting to the mma guys and kickboxer. We don't want to fight, we want to get out of a fight as quickly as possible. You just don't eat 5 punches in real life, I give myself 8sec max in a real confrontation, that's why I love silat for self defense, it's got everything I need, key moves are simple and devestating.
Silat also tends to be really efficient with its movement. When you train combinations, it's like in the video, your elbow is already in the perfect position for a strike, your feet for tripping someone. After taking down someone, you always get into a good position for kicks to the head or the side etc. Some styles are highly fluid, you tend to stay kinda low compared to karate or judo.
Thank you for the support, your request is noted! Actually, if you are a Karate practitioner, you will see these type of crossing hand, checking and passing movements in most kata…. If you get a partner, and simply perform, let’s say a block movement and repeat it over and over again… you’ll see the HUBUD movement right there
Shelling up and defense in general are very important. Unfortunately they are under utilized. For good or bad most modern martial artists pay little attention to this kind of defense. It is good that both of you do focus on this stuff......especially the elbow stuff.
@@mizukarate thanks for your support and for the comment. I learned shell covers in the early 2000s when I started to cross train with a coach of mine, who is now my best friend. He exposed me to the works of Geoff Thompson., Rodney King ( crazy monkey) , and of course boxing…. I started to incorporate these type of movement patterns into my Karate decades ago….. It just makes sense for sport and self-defense……. it’s easy to learn and cuts down options under pressure……
@@KarateUnity Grated my knowledge on this subject is limited compared to you two. However I have an understanding from proper training in kata like Gekki-Sai-Dai-Ichi(Goju Karate Kata). The reality of shelling up and elbow control is some what hidden in plain sight. Thanks for sharing both of your ideas.
I’d like to see more silat against modern attacks. I always loved silat but it has such a bad rep in U.K. what styles of silat are most direct and street effective? A lot like Harimau just seem to have no western urban effectiveness and the size of a westerner living in cold climates doesn’t lend itself to effective self defence in silat. FMA seems to be more stance suited for westerners IMO. But I’m a fan of both arts, just not sure which styles to study as an older practitioner nowdays 😂
@@adam28171 good point, size does make a difference, but more importantly, adaptations make the most difference. You can take any martial art, and adapt to your needs. With good coaching, experimentation, and stress testing, solutions can definitely be rendered. I say, without knowing your age, you do what’s fun for you, and makes you happy . if self-defence is what you need, seek out an expert in that area and then integrate these things into your training. It’s really that simple! Thanks again for your comment. I hope you’re well. 💪
I practice pencak silat bongkot harimau. It's more direct compared to the style shown in the video, sometimes we block with both arms and we tend to attack weak spots directly like eyes, neck, solar plexus, liver etc. The goal is not to fight but to end the fight, as quickly as possible, by any means necessary. The princibles shown in the video are exactly the same. Imagine a triangle with one angle facing you, one side facing the attacker. You can use the inside to defend and counterattack but you always step outside/inside, trying to change the angle to the attacker. It's just easier to dodge punches that way. I don't want to hate on wing chun but you won't see that centerline theory stuff in silat. Positioning plays a major role. Limb destruction is also a major theme; breaking the elbow of an extended arm, tripping over the hip and breaking the arm of a downed opponent etc. We got kicks, elbows, headbutts, basic punches, takedowns and basic groundgame. Body mechanics and how to use the pressure of the attacker also gets used heavily in my style. Training give you reflexes, lots of stamina and muscle conditioning. We train hard but not carzy. We know that we won't use some fancy drill in a fight, a fight is just too chaotic. Drills and jurus are for learning the moves, some jurus are meant to teach you the right posture and transition to different stances. Most moves are more or less the same against common thrust and slice knife attacks. I think that silat is highly effective in a confrontation due to the reasons stated above :)
I am Indonesian, I learn Silat as part of tradition (Indonesian proverb: all boys must learn silat and surat - fighting and literature) and Karate as extra in elementary school. The two blend very well, particularly the Kata Tekki (or the Naihanchi version).
@@Simarodra very cool, thanks for your comment. I believe martial arts should be a mandatory offering in school.
@@KarateUnityindeed
I practice Pentjak Silat Bukti Negara. One thing I never see anyone talking about is how Silat is bridge fighting. it's meant to stay in a straight line and push forwards, but throwing the opponent off balance preferably to the side, but backwards too. If you notice at 1:31. He's changing from the inside, to outside line. He, himself, is staying in a straight line, but making his opponent shift. This is called, pushing off the bridge. You strike, damage/break something, shift them to outside throwing them off balance and pushing them into the water. If they drown, you didn't kill them. The water did. My Guru calls it the "Lego Hand", but it's important to practice. Basically your hand is the shape of a Lego figure's hand. fingers together and curved with the thumb making the same shape as a Lego hand. It allows increased strength when gripping, or grabbing the arms and makes it harder for your opponent to simply pull away from your grip.
@@jamescantrell5639 this is awesome! Thank you for the thoughtful comment, I learned from it
@KarateUnity I have learned a lot from you and him. I love your channel and respect that you're willing to explore other forms like I do. The more we know, the better we are.
@@jamescantrell5639 yes sir!
I recall a young Bukti Negari player invaded an elderly Silat master's backyard at night to challenge the elderly man while the Bukti Nagari friends video recorded from the bushes.
The fight began as escrima stick fighting which turned into a very poor grappling and wrestling bout, where the elderly master held the young yard invader from bukti negari in stalemate until the elderly master suffered a heart attack and collapsed.
As he was in cardiac arrest the young Bukti negari player kicked the dying old man while he was down before declaring himself a victor while his friends shouted bukti negari.
UA-cam removed the video due to many complaints from the deceased man's family & friends.
Bukti negari community quickly disavowed the thug who attacked the old man in his back yard then kicked him while he lay dying from cardiac arrest.
Is your Guru Maul ?
Excellent description of how win every fight by going outside!! Jeet Kune Do is just like this style, much respect!!!
yes, I do pencak silat and chaning the angle and positioning is one aspect of silat I really love, I know from a knife confrontation years ago that it works. that basic sidestep saved my life.
Yessssssss this was fun
Two good guys , ego’s checked at the doors . Would train with both of them gladly . Some good editing in this Video to boot .
Thanks for the love on here, man, have a merry Christmas and keep training
All of these -- Silat, Okinawan Karate, Wing Chun, etc. -- track to southern Chinese kung fu (White Crane especially). These concepts proliferated through the maritime trading networks of the region.
Brother your on point….💪🏾
There are so many parallels and similarities between this and Wong Sheung Leung (WSL) Wing Chun.. amazing to see!!!!
I dig it. This looks exactly like how Tai Chi fist is supposed to be used! I recognize a lot of the positions and rhythm from what I practice. I've never seen someone show that before publicly though. This is why I've always liked Silat. It's very similar, but much more popular but usually taught much better.
Silat seems pretty awesome. Indonesia is cool
Cross training is the way to discover..
That upwave movement was the missing detail I needed for that arm break movement. I am Mantis practitioner and we have the same move.
This was a education for sure
@@unclecow thank you for your support. I appreciate that. What styles do you train in?
Excellent video 📹 karate unity he got 👍 a unique understanding of karate. Now I see different things now in my circular blocks
The circular blocks can also be arm bars or breaks. It can also be a form of pummeling. Everything is based on your exposure that’s why cross training is powerful it has been used in the Shaolin Monastery to refine their Arts over the centuries.
Love It!!
@@MikeS24-v4s thank you for your support
wow, these guy knows how to win in every single fight!! Thank you so much for complete and real martial artists!!! People best not test them in public or they will lose in3 seconds!!!
@@jeffarto8340 no no no…..😂…. it’s not about winning every fight, I’m not an expert in any of this, I’ve just picked up some strategies that has worked for me and, people on my team live had experience in the field of self protection, have passed on valuable knowledge to me that helped my students and myself….. There’s never a solid solution to any situation, anyone who tells you that is lying….. I continuously play with ideas, mostly for fun, and of course I drill the ones that I think will save lives.
@@KarateUnity I feel the community you shouldn't speak, you no clue what self-defense means
that's what silat is all about. Leave the fighting to the mma guys and kickboxer. We don't want to fight, we want to get out of a fight as quickly as possible. You just don't eat 5 punches in real life, I give myself 8sec max in a real confrontation, that's why I love silat for self defense, it's got everything I need, key moves are simple and devestating.
@@mb2776 🙌❤️
See Nihanchi in there. Never seen the bunksi of the form so well. Good job!
Silat also tends to be really efficient with its movement. When you train combinations, it's like in the video, your elbow is already in the perfect position for a strike, your feet for tripping someone. After taking down someone, you always get into a good position for kicks to the head or the side etc. Some styles are highly fluid, you tend to stay kinda low compared to karate or judo.
@@mb2776 great observation, and you are right!
Love your content of REAL Bunkai! Please show us more easy to learn Hubud Drills with simularities to Kata😍
Thank you for the support, your request is noted! Actually, if you are a Karate practitioner, you will see these type of crossing hand, checking and passing movements in most kata…. If you get a partner, and simply perform, let’s say a block movement and repeat it over and over again… you’ll see the HUBUD movement right there
Shelling up and defense in general are very important. Unfortunately they are under utilized.
For good or bad most modern martial artists pay little attention to this kind of defense. It is good that both of you do focus on this stuff......especially the elbow stuff.
@@mizukarate thanks for your support and for the comment. I learned shell covers in the early 2000s when I started to cross train with a coach of mine, who is now my best friend. He exposed me to the works of Geoff Thompson., Rodney King ( crazy monkey) , and of course boxing…. I started to incorporate these type of movement patterns into my Karate decades ago….. It just makes sense for sport and self-defense……. it’s easy to learn and cuts down options under pressure……
@@KarateUnity Grated my knowledge on this subject is limited compared to you two. However I have an understanding from proper training in kata like Gekki-Sai-Dai-Ichi(Goju Karate Kata).
The reality of shelling up and elbow control is some what hidden in plain sight. Thanks for sharing both of your ideas.
What school of Silat does Ilhan practice or learned?
@@SoldierDrew not sure
I’d like to see more silat against modern attacks. I always loved silat but it has such a bad rep in U.K.
what styles of silat are most direct and street effective?
A lot like Harimau just seem to have no western urban effectiveness and the size of a westerner living in cold climates doesn’t lend itself to effective self defence in silat.
FMA seems to be more stance suited for westerners IMO.
But I’m a fan of both arts, just not sure which styles to study as an older practitioner nowdays 😂
@@adam28171 good point, size does make a difference, but more importantly, adaptations make the most difference. You can take any martial art, and adapt to your needs. With good coaching, experimentation, and stress testing, solutions can definitely be rendered.
I say, without knowing your age, you do what’s fun for you, and makes you happy . if self-defence is what you need, seek out an expert in that area and then integrate these things into your training. It’s really that simple!
Thanks again for your comment. I hope you’re well. 💪
I practice pencak silat bongkot harimau. It's more direct compared to the style shown in the video, sometimes we block with both arms and we tend to attack weak spots directly like eyes, neck, solar plexus, liver etc. The goal is not to fight but to end the fight, as quickly as possible, by any means necessary.
The princibles shown in the video are exactly the same. Imagine a triangle with one angle facing you, one side facing the attacker. You can use the inside to defend and counterattack but you always step outside/inside, trying to change the angle to the attacker. It's just easier to dodge punches that way. I don't want to hate on wing chun but you won't see that centerline theory stuff in silat. Positioning plays a major role.
Limb destruction is also a major theme; breaking the elbow of an extended arm, tripping over the hip and breaking the arm of a downed opponent etc. We got kicks, elbows, headbutts, basic punches, takedowns and basic groundgame. Body mechanics and how to use the pressure of the attacker also gets used heavily in my style.
Training give you reflexes, lots of stamina and muscle conditioning. We train hard but not carzy. We know that we won't use some fancy drill in a fight, a fight is just too chaotic. Drills and jurus are for learning the moves, some jurus are meant to teach you the right posture and transition to different stances.
Most moves are more or less the same against common thrust and slice knife attacks.
I think that silat is highly effective in a confrontation due to the reasons stated above :)
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