I like this guy as he is so frank and modest to say that he cannot explain the ominous "consciousness" as long even the definition is not clear and we first have to solve the questions about what is a thought, what is memory really, how do we describe "qualia" etc. I like that he seems from Indian origin and probably he knows about the vast and overwhelming knowledge and wisdom his ancestors with the vedic culture (some call it religion but that's too reductionistic) and therefore is very reluctant to refer solely to materialistic explanations and concepts, although he seems to think really that other lifeforms together with "lifeforces" are possible, assuming that life could be based on silicon instead of carbon and their chemistry... I am surprised that he gets a mention here in this as he rejects to say anything about the topic at all. But he is right by rejecting the far to quick reply and easy going reductions that many others in this channel are offering, especially the physicists views. Those are by nature reductions! The world (cosmos, universe, life, etc.) cannot be answered by the natural sciences in general, as they all subscribe to the galilean exclusion ( not pondering about not measurable things). The holistic approach has to include even that what some call magic- real magic - that exists! Otherwise we do not get further on!
I was comatose with the right hemisphere of my brain dead for 21 days. During this time I had a vision where I lived my best life. This vision lasted 11 months. Consciousness is non-biological, I proved it.
@Jess Tarn my vision seemed so real that when I woke up from it, I kept blinking furiously to return to it. I remember clearly going to bed and waking up 7 hours later like I had a really good sleep. I just feel I was given a glimpse of another dimension. I now believe in parallel worlds.
Such an intense proposition yet so clear and humble to state that it's never close to being a Theory of consciousness cos of many more layers of mysterious questions related to consciousness yet to be unraveled. Lovely conversation with this scientist. Thanks for sharing
Exactly, any-thing that has consciousness becomes creation/existence itself, and it won't be artificial. 🤝 We might probably create a futuristic/highly advanced form where the consciousness can enter as the entity. I'll have to come back probably in the next 1000 years.
Nothing artificial actually exists. We invented the term artificial in order to differentiate between man made stuff and non man made stuff. Everything that we call "artificial", is possible because the elements of nature and principles naturally allow those things that we use to be combined in that way. We made robots with what we found in nature. If the universe is infinite, then for sure in some part of it, robots exist as a natural occurence, just because everything that can happen will happen in an infinite universe, and we for sure know that robots can happen.
“ we might probably create “ that’s Why we have governments, to do it for us, ( not) . As for consciousness becoming creation/existence itself,,sounds like god and people in harmony, those kind of thoughts leads me to believe god is a verb
He's talking about the gamma synchrony that is present when we are conscious, when it falls below 40mkz the awareness is lost. If you have surgery you may notice when you get gas your consciousness doesn't slowly fade, it suddenly drops out.
So there is something that ”it is like to be” gamma synchrony? Is gamma synchrony the only thing that it is ”like to be”? Are we partially conscious during our sleep? What are your sources that under 40 mkz awareness is lost?
When analyzing anything, getting the proper order is the first principle. On the other hand keeping an open mind is also important or being careful not to discard things that will lead you into a cul d sac.
Absolutely. By building a definition or concept with small orderly steps from the bottom up the definition or concept has greater depth of understanding and its parameters can be confidently set..
we all wished consciousness was non biological, but I tend to think it is, what is magical is life itself, our oneself is irrelevant because we keep living through our descents and our ancestors are part of us, our consciousness just may seem to be a way for our body to survive, just look at people with mental illnesses, their state of consciousness is altered, it is weird anyway, we'll get an answer one day for sure, consciously or unconsciously
But you cannot define a word by using the same word as its definition. It is necessary to use understood supporting words to reach a definition so that the brain can logically categorize it by comparing it to other known terms and words. Descartes said, "I think therefor I am." He used the supporting word 'think' whose meaning is understood to make the declaration that by doing so 'I am". It gives clarity through understanding and transfers that understanding to the term 'I am'. If Descartes had said, "I am therefore I am." There is neither clarity nor understanding by comparing it against what is already understood. And there is no advancement of knowledge in that statement.
It could very well be so. Every frequency outside of the human range of perception is unavailable to us without technology to increase our range of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch.
Another big question is this: How can a universe where forces are non-intentoional, which has no ultimate purpose, can generate mind, which is a goal-seeking "entity"? That is linked to both consciousnes and to the origin of life. I hope that you wxplore it. I would love to contribute. Thanks for your videos, they ar great food fr thought.
Perhaps consciousness is necessary for the universe to exist, and the universe is filled with consciousness. How can something exist if there is no awareness of it's existence?
@@ManiBalajiC No. Are you implying that only humans exist in the vast universe and that only humans have consciousness? Consciousness may very well be fundamental.
@@citizengoodman8023 The often unacknowledged fact is that as far as consciousness is concerned, we only know of consciousness "attached" to a physical structure, the brain. We know of no other cnscousness. Tis is an insurmanoutable issue tat cannot be "solved" with mere speculation or metaphysics!
@@citizengoodman8023 consciousness is not fundamental to universe, it's just for us... It's just the software for our hardware doesn't work outside of it .... If you studied how our eyes evolved it gives a clear idea of how our brain would have evolved to produce consciousness.. it's just self awareness evolving to understand our environment better Survival and at a stage understood our role and place in it.
What is your definition of consciousness? Mine is like what Don Hoffman says - it’s awareness, open wide , in any and many vibrations I think we exist in many vibrational realities - this vibration is considerably slow- our thoughts are vibrating a bit faster But this reality is based on our ability to create it - that’s it We’re doing this The illusion is real like Don Hoffman says but it’s a fitness based reality that relies on a human structure through consciousness to produce a measurement or observation that almost simultaneously creates matter and our world and universe Great talk Like Tesla said: ….think about this as energy and vibration
"...a chain of vibration connecting everything... Yess! I do not know this gentleman, but I will be looking MUCH deeper, he is expressing precisely my view of foundational physics as best I can understand. FWIW, this is the vector that seems to be fruitful, nothing I have seen indicates any better hypothesis is available. Consciousness is a mathematical function, thus should be mappable.
Get yourself a vibrator. The whole vibrator talk is jumbo mumbo jumbo. For a vibration to occur, you need something to do the vibrating. It is either a medium or (what is equivalent) a field. You’re imagining a tendentious field of … what exactly? “Mind stuff”? So we replace the complete unknown, but well understood concept of, “consciousness”, with completely unknown and whacky idea of “vibrating mind stuff”, or “vibrations in then field of Phi”. Such phulking baloney.
@@OfficialGOD I beg to disagree. Here is why. One could say “vibrations” or “mugachaga”. Either way, you have not brought any insight, evidence, or theory to the table. Any scientist worthy of that appellation will forward more than sounds. Vibrations is actually worse than “mugachaga”, because it insinuates that a known and understood formulation of vibration(oscillation of a response variable about a mean) will explain a known but unexplained concept, consciousness. But, while it suggests that the claimant has some way of explicating the unexplained, in reality no theory of substance is forthcoming. In that sense, it is folderol. Hogwash. Drivel. Drool. Jumbo mumbo jumbo. It vitiates the possibility of a breakthrough by injecting an illegitimate claim. A mere pretense, with no insight. Mugachaga mugachaga mugachaga. Mugachaga says you have a feeling something will explain consciousness, but you have no clue wtf you’re alluding to. THAT has the advantage of transparency and honesty. It sounds, merely SOUNDS, reasonable when one says, “you don’t know, he might be right”. Well, if she (it is more often females that talk of vibrations explaining things, men like to talk about penetrating or thrusting ahead. Not sure why.) … if she had ANY clue, I’d love to hear how consciousness might be a vibration. A vibration is a syncopation of something about some mean state. How is what is happening to something inert going to explain first person experience? I don’t think the people who make these rando crap claims know what of they speak. Jumbo mumbo poopy mumbo.
In mine experience with both consciousness and the-Mind, as well as the cerebra, the term "consciousness" is indicative to be an enhancement with the immaterial mind (the spirit of awareness) on the instinctive conscious of the cerebra. So conscious is instinctive (biological), but the term "consciousness" is an active force, enhanced by the immaterial mind.
As always, when we talk about covariation, we have to keep first in our mind that correlation is not causation. With vibrations in microtubules, the question first and foremost is this one: Do such vibrations cause consciousness or does consciousness cause the vibrations? I have no problem conceptualizing the body as a fine tuned machine, where tuning could be by music of tuned vibrations. The arrow of causation is, as I see it, as Denis Nobel has it: physiology is directed, and Nobel takes what he acknowledges to be an anthropomorphic description, directed, takes it no further. Well we direct our locomotion, so subliminally, my 'self' directs the rest. What then do we mean when we say the word "I"? I guess a physicist has a deficiency in their science education, not to mention that the arrow of causation has not been established for the mind/body relation. Correlation is not causation. And the evidence in Purves et all 2015 Will understanding vision require an entirely empirical paradigm? Definitively and accordingly, the brain does not produce visual experience. Has this Bandyopadhyay guy even heard of that study? Before putting his drivel out there for the whole world to be misled by? Not to mention that correlation is not causation in this context is enough to pull the rug out from under all he has said about consciousness here. Now. Since the direction of causation is the issue that can't be resolved by pointing to this or that event, then the only solution to the so called hard problem of consciousness is a principle theory. All else would be just another iteration of cognitive bias from the peanut gallery.
Its like asking a cellist if his music is made of wood. The wood vibrates to make the music. Consciousness is music if it is composed of vibrations, whatever generates it. Biological systems of micro tubules or anything else.
As I listen to many of these conversations about the consciousness and concepts in Physics and I end up seeing the word Taoism and the idea that everything is part of so maybe even we are looking at the consciousness differently and a consciousness is not a singular entity and is merely a part of a life that use conscious beings as part of its own conceptual process in its(Our) existence.... Just an open thought....
How would non human/earth species pain be different from extra terrestrial species pain? According this account pain is identical so long as specified vibrations are detectable within trans terrestrial systems
Wow! I'm so impressed not only with the clarity of his very original thinking, but also with the respect he shows for science and scientific methods. Thank you so much Mr. Bandyopadhyay.
Talking about "streams of vibrations" is pure pseudoscience, which shows no respect for science or its methods whatsoever. I'd call this guy a crank, but that would be way too great a compliment. A gibbering madman that sounds like a hobo hopped up on air duster is closer.
Yes it is great to see that scientists like him are investigating consciousness .Who knows that this might answer our problems like death and separation etc also .I downloaded one of his research paper and it is amazing.
On the nature of our universe Gödel proved that any formal system of description that is self consistent must be incomplete. It therefor logically follows that any formal system of description that is complete must be self inconsistent; in other words, self contradictory. A description system can be consistent but incomplete, OR complete but self contradictory; two opposing perspectives for the description of the quantities and qualities of things, like quantum mechanical position and momentum. Objective concrete linear science has gone to consistency over completeness, where all things are measurably different from all other things; where one contrasts the quantities of qualities - the measurable concrete, the specific. Subjective abstract lateral reason has gone to completeness over consistency, where all things are countably similar to all other things; where one compares the qualities of quantities - the countable abstract, the general. Both quantity and quality can be either objective or subjective. Objectively, all things share one universe. Subjectively, each thing has its own universe. From the objective perspective, everything is measurably different from all other things. From the subjective perspective, every thing is the same as every other thing. In the totally abstract, all things exist by the exact same general process. The abstract process of being in all things is also the abstract process of consciousness. There is structure in the abstract actions connecting the objective and the subjective and how they relate to each other. On the diagonal of both objectivity and subjectivity together lies the existence of all things; like moving through both time and space as a single thing. Everything in existence is is some ways similar to, and in other ways different from, all other things. Panpsychism is the idea that all things have a subjective reality in addition to the objective one. While all things share one objective reality, each thing has its own subjective reality. Existence is both realities together and neither alone; both and neither both and neither. Existence is self contradictory, and not. All things exist as resonating standing waves, which are, by their nature, quantized. Standing waves appear to move in two opposing directions at the same time. The objective and subjective actions of beings harmonize and resonate with each other in themselves and in their world for continued and increased action and being in both the objective and the subjective. Life is a feature, not a bug.
"Lymphaters Formula" by Stanisław Lem (MIT Press 2022) Trouble is I don't think Penrose-Hameroff Theory leads to such literalistic panpsychism. Sir Roger Penrose interpretation of Quantum may be very likely correct but this should not be understood as "every vibrating atom in the Universe is conscious". There are several arguments why this is erroneous and one of them is Bernardo Kastrups (I don't agree with his philosophy but I think this one argument is valid" criticism states that particles are not building bricks nor beadles but are excitations in Fields... And for some reason Evolution of complex and conscious Life 3,15 bilion years of work- if we assume the least anthropocentric view that Ediacaran Sincithia were already conscious (and single cell was already a miracle from physicalist point of view and we still don't quite understand abiogenesis no one ever explained how proteins formed in primordial soup as their are hard/impossible to synthesize in water!) So although one can theoretically imagine such Machina Lymphateris based on Penrose-Hameroff Theory I think much more plausible that we are just missing something Big in Physics that would account for what's life and its Evolution (Darwin has proven that Evolution is full of errors and no one steers it sure, but he also has a disproven ideas of Saint Thomas Aquinas about "spontaneous generation" and "humans being created by God from clay"). No We are no Boltzmann Brains, we are products of millions of evolving generations! Therefore if Penrose-Hameroff are correct I don't think evoking Dualism or Idealism is necessary for belief that consciousness cannot be non-biological. Neutral Monism suffies. After saying that I cannot exclude and would find quite fascinating possibility if we could in several centuries from now discover perhaps on "island of stability" some naturally nonexistent but physically possible element that would be vibrating and could serve for Enhanced Life better than carbon in the Penrose-Hameroff framework and perhaps just as Feng Zhang discovery opened limitless possibilities of Germ Line Crispr and self Evolution. We will be able to introduce into living cell this new "magical element" and eventually Evolve enhanced Life based on this new "Lymphaterian" chemistry rather than on carbon. But it's a veery long shot. But yeah. Just as Francis Bacon had said about Space flight in about 250 years and was precise. Like me please
Though this topic has been muddled for hundreds of years, it can still be stated with certainty that discussing the advancements on this topic is beautiful and pleasurable. As if one is engaging in the most meaningful act humanely possible.
Because people choose not to acknowledge, at least to some degree, what consciousness is and why it can never be defined is very telling... To define requires contrast, differentiation, discrepancy, 'other than', discrimination, etc. Consciousness is a predication denoting the absolute, the ultimate, Supreme; beyond being, above essence, which all things derive from and all exist and come 'in to being' therein. We know what hot is from only that which is cold, and that which is cold only from what is hot - even the very qualities, nature, attributes of things help us discern. Because all of this is therein 'Consciousness', we can not define 'Conscioness' in the since of being other than, the things which we consider are, and what seemingly is, because what is, and are, in and of and not seperate from that which is its Source, remains ONE and never to be defined. All of this are different modes, and always remaining ONE. I do like how the ancient Greeks discussed Intellect moreso than consciousness.
No one has defined consciousness. The Cosmos is The Absolute, The Ultimate, Supreme, beyond being, above essence, which all things derive from and all exists and come into being. Kant figured it out a long time ago based on pure reason when he argued that the Cosmos has no beginning and no end with no limits in space and time. Consciousness creates objects by limiting are what we experience. Instead of seeing the Cosmos as she is consciousness shows us this limited view of the Cosmo because that is all we need to know.
Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like "red", "blue", and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence "The sky is blue". ... What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not?
I think if you're going to embrace String Theory, from what little I understand of it, you're not going to embrace the materialistic entirely either, since what you're depending on for your theory has pretty so far has been unable to be proven experimentally in any way. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's the way I've heard it explained. Just like the idea consciousness beyond the brain has so far not been able to be proven experimentally. Both the ideas are more about logic and faith than they are about anything we can hold in our hands and understand.
I just wonder what is organising perfectly, the vibrating of the vibration, which gives such Observed Unlimited Perfection Of Nature About Which we should care!?
THAT is the question of the new millennium. Is it a computer simulation? Is it a hologram? Or is it a Conscious Construct where everyone's Universe is unique to them?
Conciseness is a phenomenon, so it doesn't matter how we define it, however we choose to define it doesn't change its nature. We need to aim to explain that nature, not just to give conciseness a random definition
1:29 AB: now creating this string of vibrations is the key so that means the kind of vibration that you observe in the microtubules in DNA in the proteins if we could create this kind of composition and harmony in with some material which is not made of carbon hydrogen oxgen that biologies are made of this silicon and all other kind of molecules or atoms or could be a very different kind of kind of atoms then who can stop us nobody can stop us in making that kind of system (right) so that would be then biological 2:02 Bob: yes absolutely ... ... 3:26 your theory of consciousness is rather different I say that as an understatement compared to all the other theories of consciousness now that it's not necessarily a criticism becasue nobody really has a theory of consciousness that is holding much water at the current time but you have to admit that your theory of consciousness in term of the relationship of the density or the size of the bandwidth residences comparedto the universe is a it is a radical one. 3:55 [BST pp says]: Thank you two have this interesting topic discussed here. Let's open our mind (consciousness) to Bible, the Book, which was unreasonably rejected by many atheist scientists. Both mind and body are not fundamental in Torah according to Deut 6.4, however, the two are entangled as soon as one appears, mentioned in Mk12.30, Lk10.27 and in Mt 22.37 the strength is also included in mind. Therefore, what I perceive is the Spirit is only real and fundamental, on which various souls and strengths (forces) are developped. The Spirit is also called God, in Hebrew word it's plural noun, אֱלֹהִים, suggesting exist there infinitely many constructs for the Spirit and every one are unique, therefore, the best definition for understanding is the set of prime, P, {1,3,5,7, ... P∞}, consisting of infinitely many prime numbers. Other very important scriptural verses for us to understand universal rhythm the objective are Is 41.4, 44.6; Rev 1.8, 21.6, 22.13, where LORD (Father Son Spirit) God claims He is the beginnning and the ending, in mathematical terms, He is 0 (INS: 1/P∞) and 1 (INL: P∞), simultaneously, which means that perpetual motion in the formation of harmonic oscillattion becomes an intrinsic property of LORD God as soon as nothing the real is generated by Him. The ultimate universal rythem is constituted by all infinitely many of prime superposition states (1/p & p), in physic terms, harmonic motion ua-cam.com/video/BZRv8Nko9XQ/v-deo.html or closed string (energy the potential) and open string (energy state the kinetic). In conclusion, we Christianity defines consciousness (mind) is the manifestation of order the ultimate in LORD God. שָׁלוֹם
Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like "red", "blue", and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence "The sky is blue". ... What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not?
@@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd if Mary has a healthy and curious mind she will learn to adapt, it’s all perspective, of course in this crazy,woke times we’re living in, You don’t need a PHD to claim reality
@@bobleclair5665 since Imannuel kant that knowledge it's undermined, the reality itself.. the experience of Mary it's still unsolved, there are so many opinions..but you have the answer already! Maybe I'm not a person but an algorithm of AI talking to you, how are you sure about that,? but those are philosophical questions, science normally doesnt get there....
@@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd if you’re an algorithm, it’s OK, I’m not racist, well, I try not to be, . I’ve been in a lot of barrooms , I drank with Washington and bought beer for Lincoln, I enjoyed their company and who am I to judge, especially in this woke age of craziness , Reality is what you believe it to be, your reality might might not get you an invite to some circles, but those are the realities you choose, live with it,, as for science, I feel sorry for them, most just don’t have the math, so they gather in a circle jerk and call it peer review and doesn’t matter if it’s wrong, but we still love them,, people today are exploring realities, religions and thoughts faster than science can keep up. And governments do not want their citizens reading their scripts before they’re published and enacted ,
@@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd if Mary was born and raised the first few months in this black and white environment. Her brain might be handicapped to certain visions
No one wants consciousness to be more than physical than I do. One inconvenient fact keeps getting in my way: there is no example of consciousness outside of a very specific type of physical / material infrastructure -- a nervous system.
*"No one wants consciousness to be more than physical than I do. One inconvenient fact keeps getting in my way: there is no example of consciousness outside of a very specific type of physical / material infrastructure -- a nervous system."* ... Excellent point! However, without incontrovertibly knowing what consciousness is, just like with gravity, it makes it difficult to figure out where it comes from. Your vocal cords produce sounds that that communicate what your consciousness orchestrates, but your vocal cords aren't the "source" of the words nor the orchestration behind the words. Likewise, the CPU in your computer assimilates, processes, and generates information, but your computer's CPU isn't the source of the information. ... _You are!_ My argument is that consciousness represents the highest evolutionary state of *"information"* to emerge from the beginning of the universe. This is information that's now able to assimilate, process, and generate _new information_ in the form of value judgments ... which is the purpose behind the universe. So, consciousness may truly be totally dependent on life, and life may be totally dependent on matter and energy, and matter and energy may be totally dependent on mathematics, but it doesn't really matter because everything is working together in unison to facilitate an ongoing *"exchange of information."* You and I are communicating a lot of complex *information* right now via consciousness, yet nary a single neuron is present on the business end of your screen or my screen. However, if computers were alive and thought like we do, they would think that their CPU was the sole source of all of this information.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC there is no "purpose" to the universe. That's ego talking. There is no "self", no unitary consciousness. All ego pretending to be something it's not.
@@rickwyant *"there is no "purpose" to the universe."* ... Each night when you set your alarm clock you are demonstrating purpose. Everything you do after it goes off is orchestrated via purpose. So, there is *no question* that "purpose" is an attribute of the universe just like everything else. ... The only question is to what extent.
It seems to me that this question has a simple answer - No! If not biological, then how can you explain the fact that an anesthetic can disable consciousness?
@@bowieupland6112 my claim is more robust than God hypothesis or matter always infinitely existed there was never a time of nothing heisenberg uncertainty principle reinforce my claim unless we're being simulated or part of a multiverse.... ...
If political feelings have a rhythmical representation, then moments like the current political divide in America would indicate great disharmony while Germany 1940 would be an example of great harmony. Is there an ethics in the science of rhythmic properties? Are there upper bounds to the counts of connections?
Is it my imagination but are they sharing clothes, one has the suit trousers and one has the suit jacket. The only difference between biological or non biological is nomenclature, the only formal pre-requisite is elemental construction. I don’t know why we focus on humans, it would be more productive to concentrate on simpler life first and understand that.
@@S3RAVA3LM for example Ukraine war videos that are old and give false idea of what is actually happening, or geopolitical commentary recorded long before certain events happening, which change the relevance of the commentary, or COVID related info that appears to be current but is actually quite dated, etc...
Huh? Biological is not the opposite of physical. Inorganic chemistry is physical. Wrong question. I think the original intent on the question was side-stepped. By biological Robert most likely meant organic chemistry based, naturally evolved consciousness. String theory is better mathematically motivated to talk about vibrations.
Well at least thats more reasonable than thinking that experience(personal inner) should automatically accompany silicon computers(however complex) as we know them. Shame this truth seeker still doesn't get that "physical" is just what appears on our screens of perception as the result of measurement/interaction. What exists when we don't measure isn't magic, its just the actual real outside world that exists, which we still don't have an agreed upon name for, perhaps like a universal field of subjectivity is the least wooish, but its anything BUT "physical" as defined by QM measurement/perception. Funny he covers everything under the sun but what might be considered "Idealistic", even theology mind you.
Physical is not the result of a measurement though, it is what the act of measurement itself presupposes. Physical particles in the classical sense do get instantiated as a result of fluctuations in the quantum state, but they have always already existed before any kind of human subjective mediation/observation was possible. we have no sufficient reason to consider the quantum state as a cosmic mind, except that we can maybe say that what we know as subjectivity or mind itself is entailed by this objective feature of the world. Emergence and property dualism are the only sensible positions available. Matter as illusion is not a credible metaphysical position. Ofcourse how it appears to each species may be different according to evolutionary contingencies, but they're all deriving these appearances from a common ground with objective physical features.
@@lokayatavishwam9594 I agree except that cosmic mind need only be mental /experimental in nature not intentional, self aware or meta-cognitive. It could be literally equivalent to QFT's fields if there was indeed only one single field. it is an inference sure but sufficient enough IMO. No hard problem or dualism involved. which also makes any & all before our C arguments moot as well. Of course you don't have to agree, the main point is there are what many ppl think are reasonable idealistic views & he never explores them yet even talks to priests all the time. Simply "Not credible" says the currently favored obviously flawed paradigm. Belongs "on the table" at the very least if panpsychism is.
@@realcygnus Panpsychism is on the table because it doesn't deny the reality of the physical. The kastrupian style idealism you're talking about is simply not a new paradigm but an explanatory model that seeks to integrate insights from the existing paradigm by expanding the orthodox QM interpretation to the classical domain to say that matter does not exist prior to an act of measurement. Take placebo tests in RCTs, for example. The control arm of the test is precisely meant to ascertain the independent causal efficacy of a medicine on our physical body, thereby separating it from mental state supervening on physical conditions. Kastrup would probably say that the medicine itself is the representation of a complex of mentation which is administered into another complex of mental processes that represents our body. This is non-sensical and based on philosophical misunderstanding. Because he clearly avoids making that mistake when it comes to a computer or a machine- which are clearly pure physical substances assembled in a certain way by intelligent and conscious human efforts. Panpsychism (atleast in the process philosophy schema by Whitehead) does not commit the mistake of denying physicality and it also remains open to what the "mind-like" pole is in actuality.
Is Matter Consciuos...?! Before that We must Know What is Light(Visible and Invisible )...is it wave or Particle...or " Waveticle " attributing " Wave Function Collapse "..!!!...Space and Atom not So much empty...as previously thought..Quantum fields are there..A lot of Stored information.. ! But we must learn to Decipher them...Very near to a Real " Chronoviser "...!!!
Consciousness is so weird, if you see in nature’s when the season’s changes, our earth 🌎 gets conscious, in humans minds, our experiences will do that!!!!
Non biological thinking? So someone can think without a brain? Many of these philosophers (this guest did not seem to be a scientist of any kind from listening to him) take positions with NO EVIDENCE. People believe what they want to believe. Keep searching for the truth based on evidence! I would have asked this guest if he can find any evidence of organized thoughts or any communication in all these vibrations of the universe. Hey, I agree that physics and the universe is beautiful, and all, I love it, but consciousness outside of living biology? Where is the evidence?
there isn't even any evidence that anyone or anything beyond yourself has consciousness. thats how deep and mysterious it is. You will never know if I am conscious...or what if I have a completely different kind of consciousness as you or others? I agree evidence is needed...yet in the beginning we start with ideas and then test them. We dont start with evidence first.
Well, consciousness is a product of brain, brain is a product of matter, matter is an integral part of universe where as matter being integral part of the universe is the product of big bang, where brain is biological part and matter as an integral part of universe as the product of big bang is forever non biological. You can say that without non biological elements there won't exist biological elements. You can even say that consciousness is the product of both biological and non biological element.
Within the meditation community many people through out time have experienced a continuity of consciousness that encompasses all matter biological and so called non. As a matter of fact the goal in meditation is to experience this and eventually stabilize in this direct perception. It requires no scientific training just a calm and still mind.
quite wrong. almost all meditation traditions are dead with essentially noone who can maintain effortless perfect single-pointed concentration for a week straight. this level of mental sophistication gains far greater knowledge of form awareness and the rest than scientific method
@JessTarn thats not the purpose or function of authentic meditation. just like taking mere light and constructing the capacity to hone it into a laser that breaks walls, similarly a mind is constructed to be honed into perfect single-pointed concentration. at that point there is no ability for sights, sounds, thoughts, biases, expectations, etcetc to impinge upon such a sophisticated mind. they're simply too coarse to be content of this mind. among other capacities and boons, youve now gained the ability of complete control over the content of your mind, rather than it having complete dominance over you, as everyone in the world currently experiences and is very familiar with. this effortless perfect single-pointedness is considered entry into the level of a beginner. its only from here that one then even gains has a purpose in hearing of the words nirvana brahma or whatever. until then they are as you say, simple conjured fantasies. the map of the mind and what it can do exceeds the map of the physical word and its places you can go. your misconception is a pretty common one by ppl who have bumped into and associated with what are unfortunately extremely common degenerated inauthentic instructions that lead nowhere at best. as william james said, a system of education that knew how to cultivate the ability of voluntary sustained attention would be a system of excellence bar none
@@backwardthoughts1022 Meditation is far from dead.It is not only used by some to explore a clearer understanding of the world but also used even in the medical community to help people relax and cope with various treatments. Even institutes like the Mayo Clinic offers the practice along with traditional treatments. I don't think too many have a state of stillness for a week but usually a glimpse of a higher reality for a short time.
@@tomharrington3195 20 minute mindfullness sessions has benefits but its not meditation. the word meditation means cultivation in sanskrit and what is being cultivated is what i described, by identifying and stopping faulty mental qualities and identifying and constructing functional ones, your mind becomes honed and fit for sophisticated operation, culminating in effortless perfect single-pointed concentration on the nature of mind itself. you're unable to be impinged or disturbed by sounds, sights, thoughts, biases, or any other object since only a coarse faulty mind is able to be distracted. all the authentic meditation lineages of the past agree this is the foundational platform from which any further rigorous mental observation takes place. therefore, due to differing interests, realizations, and capacities, the various lineages are born and branch apart becoming distinct. hopefully you can comprehend the difference between this, your 20min mindfulness, and your misconception that lineages of old are mere cognitive biases and conjured concepts thought of as true. such mental actions take place only in the coarseness of ordinary ppls minds, not in the minds of those to whom the formation of a thought is observed in its entirety and understood in full and considered extremely coarse.
If you have ever undergone regressive hypnosis and observed some of your previous lives, you realize that is exactly what is going on. These lifetimes are just temporary experiences with the option to learn and grow intellectually as well as emotionally.
its in the software, not the hardware. Hardware precedes software but software always needs more. So the brain must be plastic but the mind is psychoelastic. Thats how we get around Godels incompleteness. Intuition, which is not possible in the hardware, is made possible by mind,.
That makes no sense. You're defining consciousness based off of what? "Large" rythyms? At what point is it large and not medium or small? It's ridiculous. Biology is when elements start to metabolize a substance for energy to continue the naturally entropy of the universe. Biology comes before consciousness, but that doesn't mean what everyone considers biological is what defines biology. Consciousness is just the natural sequence that elements go through in the universe. Life is no more special than how a rock reacts to erosion. It's just more complex to us. But not special. Just a normal process of the universe exploding into existence.
If you build a robot with the most advanced sensorial detection capabilities similar to or even better than most human perception sensitiviy then add to it most the advanced ChatGpt capability. Now it acts like a humanoid. At what stage would it tresverse the threshold of criteria of conscietiousness and be considered a conscietious entity. Afterward when and how do you imbue in it the virtue of a free will? Could human create consciousness in an artificial construct?
So "consciousness" arises from some type of vibrational rhythm. Really? This doesn't say very much. The question is easily understood but the answer or answers in this interview are not. Perhaps the question as to whether or not consciousness is medium dependent and relies totally on a brain, human or otherwise would've elicited a more definitive answer. Is DNA needed for consciousness? If it isn't then it may readily be assumed that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe. The reductionist approach to answering this question will never be able to formulate a convincing answer to this mystery. Neither will technology, no matter how complex any computer becomes it will never reach a state of "consciousness" as similarly experienced by humans. The reason is our brains do not produce consciousness but only give us the ability to "experience" consciousness which is a thing separate from that consciousness. This essentially means that "consciousness" has always existed in our universe as fundamental as gravity, matter and energy and in the opinion of many had to exist prior to the creation of the universe. The order, balance, and symmetry of the cosmos persuasively infers "mind" and conscious direction in every aspect of its operation.
There is only one way consciousness makes sense. Quality needs to come from something - correct? Hard emergence is a f'ing joke (forgive my french); but if it appears to be hard emergence, then we're not looking close enough - not thinking deeply enough - or simply not capable of perceiving. But if quality is fundamentally different from quantity (and I put forth that it is), then we are missing something crucial about this anomaly. For instance: would it be easier for quantity to give rise to quality, or for quality to give rise to quantity? There are definitely ways to test this (and I have); but to quote the fictional Sherlock Holmes (who's creator was a bit of a nut himself - so draw your own conclusions), "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." It really just takes a few minutes of some arduous thought to arrive at the proper conclusion. Why are we making this so difficult? The answer is EGO.
Universal Functions .... is the hypothesis for Sir Issac Newton's Watchmaker Analogy(Observation) over 300 years ago, and any Machine Analogy (Observation) to explain "intelligent Design." Newtonian Physics ... is .... everything is a Function. Science ... is a method or FUNCTION ... created by Man (function) .... to explain natural phenomena (functions) ... based completely on fixed Laws of Nature(functions). Only an intelligence makes, operates, improves, maintains & fine tunes ... Functions. All Systems are Functions. There is zero evidence ... that nature & natural processes ... can make & operate the simplest physical function 13.7 or 4 billion years ago or today ... and by natural selection make a simple function, a complex function. Man is a Natural Intelligence with a Mind .... made by an Unnatural Intelligence with a Mind. Freewill, nature, consciousness ... memory, cognition, reasoning, emotions, senses ... are all FUNCTIONS of the Mind of an ENTITY. Man & Animals .... are Natural entities ... with a natural mind (brain) with their own type of freewill, nature & consciousness. But Man has the Mind of an Intelligence .... and can make complex functions, ideologies, methodologies, religions etc ... in a Universe that is clearly a Function composed entirely of Functions. The Mind of Man ... is more than a brain & body. All thermodynamic Systems originate from the SURROUNDING system, which must provide the space, time, Laws of Nature, matter, energy and intelligence ... to exist & to function. The Universe is the only known ISOLATED Thermodynamic System ... with increasing entropy. It was never infinite & always existed. The Surrounding System ... of the Universe with Laws of Nature & time ... must be UNNATURAL, infinite, timeless with Unnatural Laws ... otherwise must be a natural system that originates from the surrounding System. All roads lead to the Unnatural SURROUNDING System ... that is infinite & timeless. A Natural Intelligence with a Mind ... was made by ... an Unnatural Intelligence with a Mind. The Mind of an Intelligence must be Unnatural (soul/spirit). Therefore the Mind of Man .... is natural (body) & unnatural (soul). God really did create Man in His image ... with a body & soul ... and freewill, nature & consciousness .... to live forever as the Children of God .... but will die ( time, Laws of Nature) if Man sins (break God's Law). Only an Intelligence ... makes Laws for an intelligence to follow ... because an intelligence has freewill, nature & consciousness ... to think, believe, say & do ... whatever they want with .... Law. Science fully supports God & Creation ... and ... the beginning of the time, & the Laws of Nature ... when Man sinned (broke the law). Consciousness is just a function of the Mind ( body or Soul). Animals do not have an Unnatural Mind(soul) because God created Man to be His Children knowing it will take 7 x 1000 years to save the Children of God(Jesus) from the Children of Man(Adam). You have freewill & nature ... to think, belief, say & do ... whatever you want with the God of the Jews & Christians and the Messiah prophesied in the Torah. We now know for a fact the the body is the mind of Man when it is alive ... and ... the Soul becomes the mind of Man when the body dies.
A molecular biologist will say no, Biological consciousness is infinitely complex Because a single protein in random mutation is an impossible combinatorial process
What he said is completely ambiguous...he doesn't explain anything about the "bandwidths" and "rhythms" that he throws around. At least more reasonable scientists speak about consciousness as a manifestation of human brain information processing units. This guy is somewhat entertaining, his ideas seem to be in their infancy, but might not actually be science.
We don't even know if viruses are alive or not, yet they are one of the most resilient entities known to man. They inject their RNA/DNA into the cell and take over operations. It could be that Consciousness is similar in its mode of being.
God damn 😮😢😂, this is not his theory, this is my own deep understanding of everything in this universe, including who are you and what are you, what is God and what is soul, time, love and hate etc etc. I met your God face to face while undergoing a successful heart transplant surgery and I have experienced the NDE, I know evvverything everything, interview me please, ASAP please.
As we all know, consciousness is only possible because God created a soul at the instant of conception when there was a single fertilized egg cell. Very often the cell fails to implant in the womb and is lost. But don't worry, the redundant soul goes straight to Heaven into the waiting arms of our Lord Jesus. Lucky huh !
The Matrix came out 24 years ago. AI may be on the verge of becoming sentient. We're living on the threshold of the biggest event in history. Something unprecedented. Paradoxically, it may turn out we've been through it infinite times before. And will go through it infinite times in the future.
He only comes though good people and if that person turn bad he leave that person mind he dont come though soul he only comes though the mindset God not a spirt he resources the devil is a Spirt God feed of minds the devil feed on brains
You have practice everyday God comes in the right Ear. Cause God is all powerful Yours eyes are the universe comes from with in God and out God wisdom Call knowledge of God he only come though good he dont comes though bad and Igornant thinking he only gave people wisdom who not smart he dont comes though person smart cause he be over power him and become new God so he dont want that too happen cause he still want be Holly god on this earth he a genius not wizard loving and caring not igornant
I love the very end of the video. It is too clever to be intentional: a reification of awareness. There we see RLK regaining awareness of where he is.
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I like this guy as he is so frank and modest to say that he cannot explain the ominous "consciousness" as long even the definition is not clear and we first have to solve the questions about what is a thought, what is memory really, how do we describe "qualia" etc. I like that he seems from Indian origin and probably he knows about the vast and overwhelming knowledge and wisdom his ancestors with the vedic culture (some call it religion but that's too reductionistic) and therefore is very reluctant to refer solely to materialistic explanations and concepts, although he seems to think really that other lifeforms together with "lifeforces" are possible, assuming that life could be based on silicon instead of carbon and their chemistry...
I am surprised that he gets a mention here in this as he rejects to say anything about the topic at all. But he is right by rejecting the far to quick reply and easy going reductions that many others in this channel are offering, especially the physicists views. Those are by nature reductions!
The world (cosmos, universe, life, etc.) cannot be answered by the natural sciences in general, as they all subscribe to the galilean exclusion ( not pondering about not measurable things). The holistic approach has to include even that what some call magic- real magic - that exists! Otherwise we do not get further on!
I like to call it mysteries. They're mysteries until we understand them, if we ever do.
I was comatose with the right hemisphere of my brain dead for 21 days. During this time I had a vision where I lived my best life. This vision lasted 11 months. Consciousness is non-biological, I proved it.
It maybe was proven to you, but you cannot give proof of it to anyone else.
Scientific proof requires replication.
@Jess Tarn my vision seemed so real that when I woke up from it, I kept blinking furiously to return to it. I remember clearly going to bed and waking up 7 hours later like I had a really good sleep. I just feel I was given a glimpse of another dimension. I now believe in parallel worlds.
@Jess Tarn I'm still clearing cobwebs. I want to get the points exactly right before submitting a video on my experience
@Jess Tarn I've healed as much as is physically possible. The only thing left now is to better myself, which I do each and every day
how was it there? what was your life about
Such an intense proposition yet so clear and humble to state that it's never close to being a Theory of consciousness cos of many more layers of mysterious questions related to consciousness yet to be unraveled. Lovely conversation with this scientist. Thanks for sharing
Bro looks like Einstein.
Dude looks like Einstein If he was handsome
@@airchaicEinstein was good looking too.
@@mikomiko993 yeah but i think he was the goofy and nerdy looking science guy 😂 With all due respect though
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Einstein in New Doctor Who
Exactly, any-thing that has consciousness becomes creation/existence itself, and it won't be artificial. 🤝 We might probably create a futuristic/highly advanced form where the consciousness can enter as the entity. I'll have to come back probably in the next 1000 years.
Nothing artificial actually exists. We invented the term artificial in order to differentiate between man made stuff and non man made stuff. Everything that we call "artificial", is possible because the elements of nature and principles naturally allow those things that we use to be combined in that way. We made robots with what we found in nature. If the universe is infinite, then for sure in some part of it, robots exist as a natural occurence, just because everything that can happen will happen in an infinite universe, and we for sure know that robots can happen.
“ we might probably create “ that’s Why we have governments, to do it for us, ( not) . As for consciousness becoming creation/existence itself,,sounds like god and people in harmony, those kind of thoughts leads me to believe god is a verb
He's talking about the gamma synchrony that is present when we are conscious, when it falls below 40mkz the awareness is lost. If you have surgery you may notice when you get gas your consciousness doesn't slowly fade, it suddenly drops out.
When we go to sleep too. We suddenly drop out of consciousness.
So there is something that ”it is like to be” gamma synchrony? Is gamma synchrony the only thing that it is ”like to be”? Are we partially conscious during our sleep? What are your sources that under 40 mkz awareness is lost?
"rhythms, wherever you find them", they're inescapable.
When analyzing anything, getting the proper order is the first principle. On the other hand keeping an open mind is also important or being careful not to discard things that will lead you into a cul d sac.
Absolutely. By building a definition or concept with small orderly steps from the bottom up the definition or concept has greater depth of understanding and its parameters can be confidently set..
we all wished consciousness was non biological, but I tend to think it is, what is magical is life itself, our oneself is irrelevant because we keep living through our descents and our ancestors are part of us, our consciousness just may seem to be a way for our body to survive, just look at people with mental illnesses, their state of consciousness is altered, it is weird anyway, we'll get an answer one day for sure, consciously or unconsciously
and btw Robert looks stunning for 78 years old omg
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
2014
But you cannot define a word by using the same word as its definition. It is necessary to use understood supporting words to reach a definition so that the brain can logically categorize it by comparing it to other known terms and words.
Descartes said, "I think therefor I am." He used the supporting word 'think' whose meaning is understood to make the declaration that by doing so 'I am". It gives clarity through understanding and transfers that understanding to the term 'I am'.
If Descartes had said, "I am therefore I am." There is neither clarity nor understanding by comparing it against what is already understood. And there is no advancement of knowledge in that statement.
@@elonever.2.071 a tree is conscious of its surroundings. Does it think or does it know and does it know it’s thinking ?
Awareness is known by awareness alone; is the sole irreducible axiom of reality. To put forth a syllable to the contrary is but to concede.
Dr. Anirban explains very clearly and thoughfully.
Everything vibrates therefore consciousness.
Including my wife's little helper?
And it is biological as well as non biological at the same time😮
It could very well be so. Every frequency outside of the human range of perception is unavailable to us without technology to increase our range of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch.
Another big question is this: How can a universe where forces are non-intentoional, which has no ultimate purpose, can generate mind, which is a goal-seeking "entity"? That is linked to both consciousnes and to the origin of life. I hope that you wxplore it. I would love to contribute. Thanks for your videos, they ar great food fr thought.
Perhaps consciousness is necessary for the universe to exist, and the universe is filled with consciousness. How can something exist if there is no awareness of it's existence?
@@citizengoodman8023 things can exist without an need for observers.. are you implying there was nothing until the humans evolved and observed it?
@@ManiBalajiC No. Are you implying that only humans exist in the vast universe and that only humans have consciousness? Consciousness may very well be fundamental.
@@citizengoodman8023 The often unacknowledged fact is that as far as consciousness is concerned, we only know of consciousness "attached" to a physical structure, the brain. We know of no other cnscousness. Tis is an insurmanoutable issue tat cannot be "solved" with mere speculation or metaphysics!
@@citizengoodman8023 consciousness is not fundamental to universe, it's just for us... It's just the software for our hardware doesn't work outside of it ....
If you studied how our eyes evolved it gives a clear idea of how our brain would have evolved to produce consciousness.. it's just self awareness evolving to understand our environment better Survival and at a stage understood our role and place in it.
What is your definition of consciousness? Mine is like what Don Hoffman says - it’s awareness, open wide , in any and many vibrations
I think we exist in many vibrational realities - this vibration is considerably slow- our thoughts are vibrating a bit faster
But this reality is based on our ability to create it - that’s it
We’re doing this
The illusion is real like Don Hoffman says but it’s a fitness based reality that relies on a human structure through consciousness to produce a measurement or observation that almost simultaneously creates matter and our world and universe
Great talk
Like Tesla said: ….think about this as energy and vibration
"...a chain of vibration connecting everything... Yess! I do not know this gentleman, but I will be looking MUCH deeper, he is expressing precisely my view of foundational physics as best I can understand. FWIW, this is the vector that seems to be fruitful, nothing I have seen indicates any better hypothesis is available. Consciousness is a mathematical function, thus should be mappable.
Get yourself a vibrator. The whole vibrator talk is jumbo mumbo jumbo. For a vibration to occur, you need something to do the vibrating. It is either a medium or (what is equivalent) a field. You’re imagining a tendentious field of … what exactly? “Mind stuff”? So we replace the complete unknown, but well understood concept of, “consciousness”, with completely unknown and whacky idea of “vibrating mind stuff”, or “vibrations in then field of Phi”. Such phulking baloney.
@@hershchatjust because we don't know what the medium is, doesn't mean it's mumbo jumbo, no scientist would say such thing.
@@OfficialGOD I beg to disagree. Here is why. One could say “vibrations” or “mugachaga”. Either way, you have not brought any insight, evidence, or theory to the table. Any scientist worthy of that appellation will forward more than sounds. Vibrations is actually worse than “mugachaga”, because it insinuates that a known and understood formulation of vibration(oscillation of a response variable about a mean) will explain a known but unexplained concept, consciousness. But, while it suggests that the claimant has some way of explicating the unexplained, in reality no theory of substance is forthcoming. In that sense, it is folderol. Hogwash. Drivel. Drool. Jumbo mumbo jumbo. It vitiates the possibility of a breakthrough by injecting an illegitimate claim. A mere pretense, with no insight.
Mugachaga mugachaga mugachaga. Mugachaga says you have a feeling something will explain consciousness, but you have no clue wtf you’re alluding to. THAT has the advantage of transparency and honesty.
It sounds, merely SOUNDS, reasonable when one says, “you don’t know, he might be right”. Well, if she (it is more often females that talk of vibrations explaining things, men like to talk about penetrating or thrusting ahead. Not sure why.) … if she had ANY clue, I’d love to hear how consciousness might be a vibration.
A vibration is a syncopation of something about some mean state. How is what is happening to something inert going to explain first person experience? I don’t think the people who make these rando crap claims know what of they speak. Jumbo mumbo poopy mumbo.
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Would you agree that consciousness is creative energy?
In mine experience with both consciousness and the-Mind, as well as the cerebra, the term "consciousness" is indicative to be an enhancement with the immaterial mind (the spirit of awareness) on the instinctive conscious of the cerebra. So conscious is instinctive (biological), but the term "consciousness" is an active force, enhanced by the immaterial mind.
As always, when we talk about covariation, we have to keep first in our mind that correlation is not causation. With vibrations in microtubules, the question first and foremost is this one: Do such vibrations cause consciousness or does consciousness cause the vibrations? I have no problem conceptualizing the body as a fine tuned machine, where tuning could be by music of tuned vibrations. The arrow of causation is, as I see it, as Denis Nobel has it: physiology is directed, and Nobel takes what he acknowledges to be an anthropomorphic description, directed, takes it no further. Well we direct our locomotion, so subliminally, my 'self' directs the rest. What then do we mean when we say the word "I"? I guess a physicist has a deficiency in their science education, not to mention that the arrow of causation has not been established for the mind/body relation. Correlation is not causation. And the evidence in Purves et all 2015 Will understanding vision require an entirely empirical paradigm? Definitively and accordingly, the brain does not produce visual experience. Has this Bandyopadhyay guy even heard of that study? Before putting his drivel out there for the whole world to be misled by? Not to mention that correlation is not causation in this context is enough to pull the rug out from under all he has said about consciousness here.
Now. Since the direction of causation is the issue that can't be resolved by pointing to this or that event, then the only solution to the so called hard problem of consciousness is a principle theory. All else would be just another iteration of cognitive bias from the peanut gallery.
He says it's 2014 but I got this YT video 6 hours ago. Does this prove time travel is possible if I'm living 9 years ahead of Robert !? 😊
this was recorded in 2014.....
@@santiagoromero3475 You don't say! 🙄
Lol here's me thinking Robert looks really old in this video he's aged then I hear 2014 lol
Actually he is 9 years ahead of you. You are 9 years behind the curve...he got this info in 2014 and you are receiving it in 2023.
Its like asking a cellist if his music is made of wood. The wood vibrates to make the music. Consciousness is music if it is composed of vibrations, whatever generates it. Biological systems of micro tubules or anything else.
I wish Adi Shankara and Walt Whitman were there chiming in.
As I listen to many of these conversations about the consciousness and concepts in Physics and I end up seeing the word Taoism and the idea that everything is part of so maybe even we are looking at the consciousness differently and a consciousness is not a singular entity and is merely a part of a life that use conscious beings as part of its own conceptual process in its(Our) existence.... Just an open thought....
As to vibrations I would ask Anirban the decisive question for our era. Can life ever dance to the tune of our now global civilization?
How would non human/earth species pain be different from extra terrestrial species pain? According this account pain is identical so long as specified vibrations are detectable within trans terrestrial systems
Wow! I'm so impressed not only with the clarity of his very original thinking, but also with the respect he shows for science and scientific methods. Thank you so much Mr. Bandyopadhyay.
Talking about "streams of vibrations" is pure pseudoscience, which shows no respect for science or its methods whatsoever. I'd call this guy a crank, but that would be way too great a compliment. A gibbering madman that sounds like a hobo hopped up on air duster is closer.
Yes it is great to see that scientists like him are investigating consciousness .Who knows that this might answer our problems like death and separation etc also .I downloaded one of his research paper and it is amazing.
Correct. His rant was pure BS. @@Bringadingus
On the nature of our universe
Gödel proved that any formal system of description that is self consistent must be incomplete. It therefor logically follows that any formal system of description that is complete must be self inconsistent; in other words, self contradictory.
A description system can be consistent but incomplete, OR complete but self contradictory; two opposing perspectives for the description of the quantities and qualities of things, like quantum mechanical position and momentum.
Objective concrete linear science has gone to consistency over completeness, where all things are measurably different from all other things; where one contrasts the quantities of qualities - the measurable concrete, the specific.
Subjective abstract lateral reason has gone to completeness over consistency, where all things are countably similar to all other things; where one compares the qualities of quantities - the countable abstract, the general.
Both quantity and quality can be either objective or subjective.
Objectively, all things share one universe. Subjectively, each thing has its own universe.
From the objective perspective, everything is measurably different from all other things. From the subjective perspective, every thing is the same as every other thing. In the totally abstract, all things exist by the exact same general process. The abstract process of being in all things is also the abstract process of consciousness. There is structure in the abstract actions connecting the objective and the subjective and how they relate to each other.
On the diagonal of both objectivity and subjectivity together lies the existence of all things; like moving through both time and space as a single thing. Everything in existence is is some ways similar to, and in other ways different from, all other things. Panpsychism is the idea that all things have a subjective reality in addition to the objective one.
While all things share one objective reality, each thing has its own subjective reality. Existence is both realities together and neither alone; both and neither both and neither. Existence is self contradictory, and not.
All things exist as resonating standing waves, which are, by their nature, quantized. Standing waves appear to move in two opposing directions at the same time. The objective and subjective actions of beings harmonize and resonate with each other in themselves and in their world for continued and increased action and being in both the objective and the subjective.
Life is a feature, not a bug.
energy is aware (conscious) of time for subject (free will)?
"Lymphaters Formula" by Stanisław Lem (MIT Press 2022)
Trouble is I don't think Penrose-Hameroff Theory leads to such literalistic panpsychism.
Sir Roger Penrose interpretation of Quantum may be very likely correct but this should not be understood as "every vibrating atom in the Universe is conscious".
There are several arguments why this is erroneous and one of them is Bernardo Kastrups (I don't agree with his philosophy but I think this one argument is valid" criticism states that particles are not building bricks nor beadles but are excitations in Fields...
And for some reason Evolution of complex and conscious Life 3,15 bilion years of work- if we assume the least anthropocentric view that Ediacaran Sincithia were already conscious (and single cell was already a miracle from physicalist point of view and we still don't quite understand abiogenesis no one ever explained how proteins formed in primordial soup as their are hard/impossible to synthesize in water!)
So although one can theoretically imagine such Machina Lymphateris based on Penrose-Hameroff Theory I think much more plausible that we are just missing something Big in Physics that would account for what's life and its Evolution (Darwin has proven that Evolution is full of errors and no one steers it sure, but he also has a disproven ideas of Saint Thomas Aquinas about "spontaneous generation" and "humans being created by God from clay").
No
We are no Boltzmann Brains, we are products of millions of evolving generations!
Therefore if Penrose-Hameroff are correct I don't think evoking Dualism or Idealism is necessary for belief that consciousness cannot be non-biological. Neutral Monism suffies.
After saying that I cannot exclude and would find quite fascinating possibility if we could in several centuries from now discover perhaps on "island of stability" some naturally nonexistent but physically possible element that would be vibrating and could serve for Enhanced Life better than carbon in the Penrose-Hameroff framework and perhaps just as Feng Zhang discovery opened limitless possibilities of Germ Line Crispr and self Evolution. We will be able to introduce into living cell this new "magical element" and eventually Evolve enhanced Life based on this new "Lymphaterian" chemistry rather than on carbon.
But it's a veery long shot.
But yeah. Just as Francis Bacon had said about Space flight in about 250 years and was precise.
Like me please
Though this topic has been muddled for hundreds of years, it can still be stated with certainty that discussing the advancements on this topic is beautiful and pleasurable.
As if one is engaging in the most meaningful act humanely possible.
Because people choose not to acknowledge, at least to some degree, what consciousness is and why it can never be defined is very telling...
To define requires contrast, differentiation, discrepancy, 'other than', discrimination, etc.
Consciousness is a predication denoting the absolute, the ultimate, Supreme; beyond being, above essence, which all things derive from and all exist and come 'in to being' therein.
We know what hot is from only that which is cold, and that which is cold only from what is hot - even the very qualities, nature, attributes of things help us discern. Because all of this is therein 'Consciousness', we can not define 'Conscioness' in the since of being other than, the things which we consider are, and what seemingly is, because what is, and are, in and of and not seperate from that which is its Source, remains ONE and never to be defined.
All of this are different modes, and always remaining ONE.
I do like how the ancient Greeks discussed Intellect moreso than consciousness.
No one has defined consciousness. The Cosmos is The Absolute, The Ultimate, Supreme, beyond being, above essence, which all things derive from and all exists and come into being. Kant figured it out a long time ago based on pure reason when he argued that the Cosmos has no beginning and no end with no limits in space and time. Consciousness creates objects by limiting are what we experience. Instead of seeing the Cosmos as she is consciousness shows us this limited view of the Cosmo because that is all we need to know.
@@kos-mos1127 and why the need to know at all?
Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like "red", "blue", and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence "The sky is blue". ... What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not?
I think if you're going to embrace String Theory, from what little I understand of it, you're not going to embrace the materialistic entirely either, since what you're depending on for your theory has pretty so far has been unable to be proven experimentally in any way. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's the way I've heard it explained. Just like the idea consciousness beyond the brain has so far not been able to be proven experimentally. Both the ideas are more about logic and faith than they are about anything we can hold in our hands and understand.
My fridge vibrates, my fridge is conscious. ....yeah cut please !
Is a chain of vibration the base of consciousness, a resonance ?, reason is a resonance ? prouve it first or it’s bullshit
It is BS.
I just wonder what is organising perfectly, the vibrating of the vibration, which gives such Observed Unlimited Perfection Of Nature About Which we should care!?
THAT is the question of the new millennium. Is it a computer simulation? Is it a hologram? Or is it a Conscious Construct where everyone's Universe is unique to them?
Conciseness is a phenomenon, so it doesn't matter how we define it, however we choose to define it doesn't change its nature. We need to aim to explain that nature, not just to give conciseness a random definition
The vibration 'conciseness' has a different rhythm than that of 'consciousness'.
It matters how you define it and what you think it refers to.
1:29 AB: now creating this string of vibrations is the key so that means the kind of vibration that you observe in the microtubules in DNA in the proteins if we could create this kind of composition and harmony in with some material which is not made of carbon hydrogen oxgen that biologies are made of this silicon and all other kind of molecules or atoms or could be a very different kind of kind of atoms then who can stop us nobody can stop us in making that kind of system (right) so that would be then biological 2:02 Bob: yes absolutely ... ... 3:26 your theory of consciousness is rather different I say that as an understatement compared to all the other theories of consciousness now that it's not necessarily a criticism becasue nobody really has a theory of consciousness that is holding much water at the current time but you have to admit that your theory of consciousness in term of the relationship of the density or the size of the bandwidth residences comparedto the universe is a it is a radical one. 3:55 [BST pp says]: Thank you two have this interesting topic discussed here. Let's open our mind (consciousness) to Bible, the Book, which was unreasonably rejected by many atheist scientists. Both mind and body are not fundamental in Torah according to Deut 6.4, however, the two are entangled as soon as one appears, mentioned in Mk12.30, Lk10.27 and in Mt 22.37 the strength is also included in mind. Therefore, what I perceive is the Spirit is only real and fundamental, on which various souls and strengths (forces) are developped. The Spirit is also called God, in Hebrew word it's plural noun, אֱלֹהִים, suggesting exist there infinitely many constructs for the Spirit and every one are unique, therefore, the best definition for understanding is the set of prime, P, {1,3,5,7, ... P∞}, consisting of infinitely many prime numbers. Other very important scriptural verses for us to understand universal rhythm the objective are Is 41.4, 44.6; Rev 1.8, 21.6, 22.13, where LORD (Father Son Spirit) God claims He is the beginnning and the ending, in mathematical terms, He is 0 (INS: 1/P∞) and 1 (INL: P∞), simultaneously, which means that perpetual motion in the formation of harmonic oscillattion becomes an intrinsic property of LORD God as soon as nothing the real is generated by Him. The ultimate universal rythem is constituted by all infinitely many of prime superposition states (1/p & p), in physic terms, harmonic motion ua-cam.com/video/BZRv8Nko9XQ/v-deo.html or closed string (energy the potential) and open string (energy state the kinetic). In conclusion, we Christianity defines consciousness (mind) is the manifestation of order the ultimate in LORD God. שָׁלוֹם
Any result or breakthru on this line of research as today 2023?
4:01 which is 9 years later!
Consciousness is no more biological than you are your body. A secret to good health is conscious harmony within
Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like "red", "blue", and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence "The sky is blue". ... What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not?
@@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd if Mary has a healthy and curious mind she will learn to adapt, it’s all perspective, of course in this crazy,woke times we’re living in, You don’t need a PHD to claim reality
@@bobleclair5665 since Imannuel kant that knowledge it's undermined, the reality itself.. the experience of Mary it's still unsolved, there are so many opinions..but you have the answer already! Maybe I'm not a person but an algorithm of AI talking to you, how are you sure about that,? but those are philosophical questions, science normally doesnt get there....
@@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd if you’re an algorithm, it’s OK, I’m not racist, well, I try not to be, . I’ve been in a lot of barrooms , I drank with Washington and bought beer for Lincoln, I enjoyed their company and who am I to judge, especially in this woke age of craziness , Reality is what you believe it to be, your reality might might not get you an invite to some circles, but those are the realities you choose, live with it,, as for science, I feel sorry for them, most just don’t have the math, so they gather in a circle jerk and call it peer review and doesn’t matter if it’s wrong, but we still love them,, people today are exploring realities, religions and thoughts faster than science can keep up. And governments do not want their citizens reading their scripts before they’re published and enacted ,
@@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd if Mary was born and raised the first few months in this black and white environment. Her brain might be handicapped to certain visions
No one wants consciousness to be more than physical than I do. One inconvenient fact keeps getting in my way: there is no example of consciousness outside of a very specific type of physical / material infrastructure -- a nervous system.
Totally the problem with dualism. No brain no consciousness.
*"No one wants consciousness to be more than physical than I do. One inconvenient fact keeps getting in my way: there is no example of consciousness outside of a very specific type of physical / material infrastructure -- a nervous system."*
... Excellent point!
However, without incontrovertibly knowing what consciousness is, just like with gravity, it makes it difficult to figure out where it comes from. Your vocal cords produce sounds that that communicate what your consciousness orchestrates, but your vocal cords aren't the "source" of the words nor the orchestration behind the words. Likewise, the CPU in your computer assimilates, processes, and generates information, but your computer's CPU isn't the source of the information. ... _You are!_
My argument is that consciousness represents the highest evolutionary state of *"information"* to emerge from the beginning of the universe. This is information that's now able to assimilate, process, and generate _new information_ in the form of value judgments ... which is the purpose behind the universe.
So, consciousness may truly be totally dependent on life, and life may be totally dependent on matter and energy, and matter and energy may be totally dependent on mathematics, but it doesn't really matter because everything is working together in unison to facilitate an ongoing *"exchange of information."*
You and I are communicating a lot of complex *information* right now via consciousness, yet nary a single neuron is present on the business end of your screen or my screen. However, if computers were alive and thought like we do, they would think that their CPU was the sole source of all of this information.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC there is no "purpose" to the universe. That's ego talking. There is no "self", no unitary consciousness. All ego pretending to be something it's not.
@@rickwyant *"there is no "purpose" to the universe."*
... Each night when you set your alarm clock you are demonstrating purpose. Everything you do after it goes off is orchestrated via purpose. So, there is *no question* that "purpose" is an attribute of the universe just like everything else. ... The only question is to what extent.
the brain could be a transceiver
It seems to me that this question has a simple answer - No! If not biological, then how can you explain the fact that an anesthetic can disable consciousness?
That seems like a very reasonable point.
Correct. A rational comment for a change. Thank you.
Why is he wearing Roberts suit/coat ?
Physician here. Biological and non-biological are arbitrary definitions. Everything is a spectrum.
No. Physician scientist here.
Definitely intelligence or consciousness may sprout from non-biological matter quantum entanglement a unique specimen for the case.
"Definitely" and "may", cannot be used cohesevly your comment.
@@bowieupland6112 my claim is more robust than God hypothesis or matter always infinitely existed there was never a time of nothing heisenberg uncertainty principle reinforce my claim unless we're being simulated or part of a multiverse.... ...
@@bowieupland6112 you're right then l promptly retract may from my comment sorry grammatical error.
If political feelings have a rhythmical representation, then moments like the current political divide in America would indicate great disharmony while Germany 1940 would be an example of great harmony. Is there an ethics in the science of rhythmic properties? Are there upper bounds to the counts of connections?
Kuhn is tuned in.
Is it my imagination but are they sharing clothes, one has the suit trousers and one has the suit jacket. The only difference between biological or non biological is nomenclature, the only formal pre-requisite is elemental construction. I don’t know why we focus on humans, it would be more productive to concentrate on simpler life first and understand that.
2014?
They do reposts
UA-cam needs a protocol requiring time stamps on original time of recording for all content...
@Mr. Bill why?
@@S3RAVA3LM for example Ukraine war videos that are old and give false idea of what is actually happening, or geopolitical commentary recorded long before certain events happening, which change the relevance of the commentary, or COVID related info that appears to be current but is actually quite dated, etc...
Awkward cut at the end of the clip, needs to be trimmed by a few seconds.
consciousness from energy?
LOL. This talk was incoherent nonsense. Don't waste too much of your own energy on it.
Wheels? where we're going we need squares
Huh? Biological is not the opposite of physical. Inorganic chemistry is physical. Wrong question.
I think the original intent on the question was side-stepped. By biological Robert most likely meant organic chemistry based, naturally evolved consciousness.
String theory is better mathematically motivated to talk about vibrations.
Well at least thats more reasonable than thinking that experience(personal inner) should automatically accompany silicon computers(however complex) as we know them. Shame this truth seeker still doesn't get that "physical" is just what appears on our screens of perception as the result of measurement/interaction. What exists when we don't measure isn't magic, its just the actual real outside world that exists, which we still don't have an agreed upon name for, perhaps like a universal field of subjectivity is the least wooish, but its anything BUT "physical" as defined by QM measurement/perception. Funny he covers everything under the sun but what might be considered "Idealistic", even theology mind you.
Physical is not the result of a measurement though, it is what the act of measurement itself presupposes. Physical particles in the classical sense do get instantiated as a result of fluctuations in the quantum state, but they have always already existed before any kind of human subjective mediation/observation was possible. we have no sufficient reason to consider the quantum state as a cosmic mind, except that we can maybe say that what we know as subjectivity or mind itself is entailed by this objective feature of the world. Emergence and property dualism are the only sensible positions available. Matter as illusion is not a credible metaphysical position. Ofcourse how it appears to each species may be different according to evolutionary contingencies, but they're all deriving these appearances from a common ground with objective physical features.
@@lokayatavishwam9594 I agree except that cosmic mind need only be mental /experimental in nature not intentional, self aware or meta-cognitive. It could be literally equivalent to QFT's fields if there was indeed only one single field. it is an inference sure but sufficient enough IMO. No hard problem or dualism involved. which also makes any & all before our C arguments moot as well. Of course you don't have to agree, the main point is there are what many ppl think are reasonable idealistic views & he never explores them yet even talks to priests all the time. Simply "Not credible" says the currently favored obviously flawed paradigm. Belongs "on the table" at the very least if panpsychism is.
@@realcygnus Panpsychism is on the table because it doesn't deny the reality of the physical. The kastrupian style idealism you're talking about is simply not a new paradigm but an explanatory model that seeks to integrate insights from the existing paradigm by expanding the orthodox QM interpretation to the classical domain to say that matter does not exist prior to an act of measurement. Take placebo tests in RCTs, for example. The control arm of the test is precisely meant to ascertain the independent causal efficacy of a medicine on our physical body, thereby separating it from mental state supervening on physical conditions. Kastrup would probably say that the medicine itself is the representation of a complex of mentation which is administered into another complex of mental processes that represents our body. This is non-sensical and based on philosophical misunderstanding. Because he clearly avoids making that mistake when it comes to a computer or a machine- which are clearly pure physical substances assembled in a certain way by intelligent and conscious human efforts. Panpsychism (atleast in the process philosophy schema by Whitehead) does not commit the mistake of denying physicality and it also remains open to what the "mind-like" pole is in actuality.
Is Matter Consciuos...?! Before that We must Know What is Light(Visible and Invisible )...is it wave or Particle...or " Waveticle " attributing " Wave Function Collapse "..!!!...Space and Atom not So much empty...as previously thought..Quantum fields are there..A lot of Stored information..
! But we must learn to Decipher them...Very near to a Real " Chronoviser "...!!!
Yes it is. Physical body is just a mechanism to hold the mind.
What is becoming
Consciousness is so weird, if you see in nature’s when the season’s changes, our earth 🌎 gets conscious, in humans minds, our experiences will do that!!!!
Non biological thinking? So someone can think without a brain? Many of these philosophers (this guest did not seem to be a scientist of any kind from listening to him) take positions with NO EVIDENCE. People believe what they want to believe. Keep searching for the truth based on evidence! I would have asked this guest if he can find any evidence of organized thoughts or any communication in all these vibrations of the universe. Hey, I agree that physics and the universe is beautiful, and all, I love it, but consciousness outside of living biology? Where is the evidence?
there isn't even any evidence that anyone or anything beyond yourself has consciousness. thats how deep and mysterious it is. You will never know if I am conscious...or what if I have a completely different kind of consciousness as you or others? I agree evidence is needed...yet in the beginning we start with ideas and then test them. We dont start with evidence first.
He’s a physicist
This almost needs subtitles….
True 🤣🤣
I actually turned on the captions.
Que?
He man
Well, consciousness is a product of brain, brain is a product of matter, matter is an integral part of universe where as matter being integral part of the universe is the product of big bang, where brain is biological part and matter as an integral part of universe as the product of big bang is forever non biological. You can say that without non biological elements there won't exist biological elements. You can even say that consciousness is the product of both biological and non biological element.
Within the meditation community many people through out time have experienced a continuity of consciousness that encompasses all matter biological and so called non. As a matter of fact the goal in meditation is to experience this and eventually stabilize in this direct perception. It requires no scientific training just a calm and still mind.
quite wrong. almost all meditation traditions are dead with essentially noone who can maintain effortless perfect single-pointed concentration for a week straight. this level of mental sophistication gains far greater knowledge of form awareness and the rest than scientific method
@JessTarn thats not the purpose or function of authentic meditation. just like taking mere light and constructing the capacity to hone it into a laser that breaks walls, similarly a mind is constructed to be honed into perfect single-pointed concentration. at that point there is no ability for sights, sounds, thoughts, biases, expectations, etcetc to impinge upon such a sophisticated mind. they're simply too coarse to be content of this mind. among other capacities and boons, youve now gained the ability of complete control over the content of your mind, rather than it having complete dominance over you, as everyone in the world currently experiences and is very familiar with.
this effortless perfect single-pointedness is considered entry into the level of a beginner. its only from here that one then even gains has a purpose in hearing of the words nirvana brahma or whatever. until then they are as you say, simple conjured fantasies. the map of the mind and what it can do exceeds the map of the physical word and its places you can go. your misconception is a pretty common one by ppl who have bumped into and associated with what are unfortunately extremely common degenerated inauthentic instructions that lead nowhere at best. as william james said, a system of education that knew how to cultivate the ability of voluntary sustained attention would be a system of excellence bar none
@@backwardthoughts1022 Meditation is far from dead.It is not only used by some to explore a clearer understanding of the world but also used even in the medical community to help people relax and cope with various treatments. Even institutes like the Mayo Clinic offers the practice along with traditional treatments.
I don't think too many have a state of stillness for a week but usually a glimpse of a higher reality for a short time.
@@tomharrington3195 20 minute mindfullness sessions has benefits but its not meditation. the word meditation means cultivation in sanskrit and what is being cultivated is what i described, by identifying and stopping faulty mental qualities and identifying and constructing functional ones, your mind becomes honed and fit for sophisticated operation, culminating in effortless perfect single-pointed concentration on the nature of mind itself. you're unable to be impinged or disturbed by sounds, sights, thoughts, biases, or any other object since only a coarse faulty mind is able to be distracted. all the authentic meditation lineages of the past agree this is the foundational platform from which any further rigorous mental observation takes place. therefore, due to differing interests, realizations, and capacities, the various lineages are born and branch apart becoming distinct.
hopefully you can comprehend the difference between this, your 20min mindfulness, and your misconception that lineages of old are mere cognitive biases and conjured concepts thought of as true. such mental actions take place only in the coarseness of ordinary ppls minds, not in the minds of those to whom the formation of a thought is observed in its entirety and understood in full and considered extremely coarse.
Sounds a bit Chopraish hand wavy woo tbh
Bingo! Pure BS pseudoscience rant top to bottom.
Basically we don't understand this universe we never will do you think all these majestic beautiful galaxies are there for nothing think again
I believe maybe in the future when they find a way to manipulate time we are gonna just live in a loop
If you have ever undergone regressive hypnosis and observed some of your previous lives, you realize that is exactly what is going on. These lifetimes are just temporary experiences with the option to learn and grow intellectually as well as emotionally.
its in the software, not the hardware.
Hardware precedes software but software always needs more.
So the brain must be plastic but the mind is psychoelastic.
Thats how we get around Godels incompleteness.
Intuition, which is not possible in the hardware, is made possible by mind,.
You really can’t find the answer? Or this is just a game?
what
THIS IS A 9 YEARS OLD VIDEO!!! 😭 😭
WTF not label it as such? Kuhn should go back to the space lasers.
That makes no sense. You're defining consciousness based off of what? "Large" rythyms? At what point is it large and not medium or small? It's ridiculous. Biology is when elements start to metabolize a substance for energy to continue the naturally entropy of the universe. Biology comes before consciousness, but that doesn't mean what everyone considers biological is what defines biology. Consciousness is just the natural sequence that elements go through in the universe. Life is no more special than how a rock reacts to erosion. It's just more complex to us. But not special. Just a normal process of the universe exploding into existence.
Just flying down the motorway
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If you build a robot with the most advanced sensorial detection capabilities similar to or even better than most human perception sensitiviy then add to it most the advanced ChatGpt capability. Now it acts like a humanoid. At what stage would it tresverse the threshold of criteria of conscietiousness and be considered a conscietious entity. Afterward when and how do you imbue in it the virtue of a free will? Could human create consciousness in an artificial construct?
So "consciousness" arises from some type of vibrational rhythm. Really? This doesn't say very much. The question is easily understood but the answer or answers in this interview are not. Perhaps the question as to whether or not consciousness is medium dependent and relies totally on a brain, human or otherwise would've elicited a more definitive answer. Is DNA needed for consciousness? If it isn't then it may readily be assumed that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe. The reductionist approach to answering this question will never be able to formulate a convincing answer to this mystery. Neither will technology, no matter how complex any computer becomes it will never reach a state of "consciousness" as similarly experienced by humans. The reason is our brains do not produce consciousness but only give us the ability to "experience" consciousness which is a thing separate from that consciousness. This essentially means that "consciousness" has always existed in our universe as fundamental as gravity, matter and energy and in the opinion of many had to exist prior to the creation of the universe. The order, balance, and symmetry of the cosmos persuasively infers "mind" and conscious direction in every aspect of its operation.
He looks like a young Einstein.
The older guy does resemble him too, but I'm talking about the Indian guy.
There is only one way consciousness makes sense. Quality needs to come from something - correct? Hard emergence is a f'ing joke (forgive my french); but if it appears to be hard emergence, then we're not looking close enough - not thinking deeply enough - or simply not capable of perceiving. But if quality is fundamentally different from quantity (and I put forth that it is), then we are missing something crucial about this anomaly. For instance: would it be easier for quantity to give rise to quality, or for quality to give rise to quantity? There are definitely ways to test this (and I have); but to quote the fictional Sherlock Holmes (who's creator was a bit of a nut himself - so draw your own conclusions), "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
It really just takes a few minutes of some arduous thought to arrive at the proper conclusion. Why are we making this so difficult? The answer is EGO.
In other words... we don't know where consciousness comes from.
@@bowieupland6112 hah - yeah, pretty much :P
Universal Functions .... is the hypothesis for Sir Issac Newton's Watchmaker Analogy(Observation) over 300 years ago, and any Machine Analogy (Observation) to explain "intelligent Design."
Newtonian Physics ... is .... everything is a Function.
Science ... is a method or FUNCTION ... created by Man (function) .... to explain natural phenomena (functions) ... based completely on fixed Laws of Nature(functions).
Only an intelligence makes, operates, improves, maintains & fine tunes ... Functions.
All Systems are Functions.
There is zero evidence ... that nature & natural processes ... can make & operate the simplest physical function 13.7 or 4 billion years ago or today ... and by natural selection make a simple function, a complex function.
Man is a Natural Intelligence with a Mind .... made by an Unnatural Intelligence with a Mind.
Freewill, nature, consciousness ... memory, cognition, reasoning, emotions, senses ... are all FUNCTIONS of the Mind of an ENTITY.
Man & Animals .... are Natural entities ... with a natural mind (brain) with their own type of freewill, nature & consciousness.
But Man has the Mind of an Intelligence .... and can make complex functions, ideologies, methodologies, religions etc ... in a Universe that is clearly a Function composed entirely of Functions.
The Mind of Man ... is more than a brain & body.
All thermodynamic Systems originate from the SURROUNDING system, which must provide the space, time, Laws of Nature, matter, energy and intelligence ... to exist & to function.
The Universe is the only known ISOLATED Thermodynamic System ... with increasing entropy. It was never infinite & always existed.
The Surrounding System ... of the Universe with Laws of Nature & time ... must be UNNATURAL, infinite, timeless with Unnatural Laws ... otherwise must be a natural system that originates from the surrounding System.
All roads lead to the Unnatural SURROUNDING System ... that is infinite & timeless.
A Natural Intelligence with a Mind ... was made by ... an Unnatural Intelligence with a Mind.
The Mind of an Intelligence must be Unnatural (soul/spirit).
Therefore the Mind of Man .... is natural (body) & unnatural (soul).
God really did create Man in His image ... with a body & soul ... and freewill, nature & consciousness .... to live forever as the Children of God .... but will die ( time, Laws of Nature) if Man sins (break God's Law).
Only an Intelligence ... makes Laws for an intelligence to follow ... because an intelligence has freewill, nature & consciousness ... to think, believe, say & do ... whatever they want with .... Law.
Science fully supports God & Creation ... and ... the beginning of the time, & the Laws of Nature ... when Man sinned (broke the law).
Consciousness is just a function of the Mind ( body or Soul). Animals do not have an Unnatural Mind(soul) because God created Man to be His Children knowing it will take 7 x 1000 years to save the Children of God(Jesus) from the Children of Man(Adam).
You have freewill & nature ... to think, belief, say & do ... whatever you want with the God of the Jews & Christians and the Messiah prophesied in the Torah.
We now know for a fact the the body is the mind of Man when it is alive ... and ... the Soul becomes the mind of Man when the body dies.
I say thought is a biological process but consciousness is not. I also say the mind is not confined to inside the brain and body.
Consciousness is biological,some part of this is matter and rest is soul.
I would say consciousness is organic. The Ego is the bridge between biology and the eternal conscious energy.
You should see the webseries Upload. Non biological consciousness.
2014 clip.This video is made in 2014.
so?
A molecular biologist will say no,
Biological consciousness is infinitely complex
Because a single protein in random mutation is an impossible combinatorial process
Consciousness has Mind as its AI ,the brain as its Supercomputer, the Nerves as the Network , the Personality as a program.....add yours .....😅😅😅😅😅😅
Is Anirban wearing Lawrence’s jacket? Or is Lawrence wearing Anirban’s trousers?
What he said is completely ambiguous...he doesn't explain anything about the "bandwidths" and "rhythms" that he throws around. At least more reasonable scientists speak about consciousness as a manifestation of human brain information processing units. This guy is somewhat entertaining, his ideas seem to be in their infancy, but might not actually be science.
Correct. He spoke pure BS.
I suppose it could be magic.
That's my choice.
looks like Airbnb
Can Consciousness Be Non-Biological? On at least 4 levels: yes.
We don’t even know what consciousness is. We definitely can’t define it.
We don't even know if viruses are alive or not, yet they are one of the most resilient entities known to man. They inject their RNA/DNA into the cell and take over operations. It could be that Consciousness is similar in its mode of being.
God damn 😮😢😂, this is not his theory, this is my own deep understanding of everything in this universe, including who are you and what are you, what is God and what is soul, time, love and hate etc etc.
I met your God face to face while undergoing a successful heart transplant surgery and I have experienced the NDE, I know evvverything everything, interview me please, ASAP please.
Don,t you just wanna know the truth???
Dose closer to truth do round tables anymore?
As we all know, consciousness is only possible because God created a soul at the instant of conception when there was a single fertilized egg cell. Very often the cell fails to implant in the womb and is lost. But don't worry, the redundant soul goes straight to Heaven into the waiting arms of our Lord Jesus. Lucky huh !
The Matrix came out 24 years ago. AI may be on the verge of becoming sentient. We're living on the threshold of the biggest event in history. Something unprecedented. Paradoxically, it may turn out we've been through it infinite times before. And will go through it infinite times in the future.
No.
He only comes though good people and if that person turn bad he leave that person mind he dont come though soul he only comes though the mindset God not a spirt he resources the devil is a Spirt God feed of minds the devil feed on brains
No. It can't.
Our minds exist in those invisible waves ( frequencies, vibrations ) that are totally invisible to us.
Oh FFS dude.
@@protonman8947 I don't even feel sorry for you unchosen created men who think what you observe is real.
You have practice everyday God comes in the right Ear. Cause God is all powerful Yours eyes are the universe comes from with in God and out God wisdom Call knowledge of God he only come though good he dont comes though bad and Igornant thinking he only gave people wisdom who not smart he dont comes though person smart cause he be over power him and become new God so he dont want that too happen cause he still want be Holly god on this earth he a genius not wizard loving and caring not igornant
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answer is easy ghosts duh