How many rounds you gonna run to verify reliability? And check your POA/POI? You gonna shoot any gel, or water jugs to test expansion? If they all work, and are reliable that's not a bad deal.
@@casualshotsallday You really don't need to be. Any ammo for defensive purposes needs to be tested and vetted regardless of brand or who is using it. Some firearms don't like certain JHPs/deffensive ammo. So at very least you should run a magazine or two through any gun you plan on loading with said ammo. Anyone buying hollow points I'm assuming are using them for deffensive/offensive purposes and not just range plinking (if not buy ball ammo its cheaper) But I'm sure you know that last part, so definitely need to test that it feeds, ejects and fires EVERY TIME of not ypu should select a different deffensive round. If reliability is good, you also need to check the Point of aim (POA) vs Point of impact. Rounds that are similar shape and design and even the same weight may have drastically different sight picture holds, so you should see how it prints at whatever distance your optic is zeroed and dial it in accordingly. I zeroed my RMR with 124 gr Blazer brass but then dialed it in with 124 GR HST (and there was some adjustments that needed made) the Blazer brass got it close but not quite. Then when I got my new batch of HST I verified that zero (didn't need to change anything my 15 yard zero from previous batch was still right on), as there can be inconsistencies between batches even among the exact same ammo. Deffensive pistol always needs to be dialed in and ready so you know exactly 💯 where your going to hit, and that it's going to be reliable for every shot, fighting for your life isn't the time you wanna find out your pistol doesn't like this ammo, or is hitt 3 inches low/left. And testing expansion if all else is good isn't as important but at the same time I like knowing what kind of performance I'm getting out of any pistol I carry. When I just tested my new batch HST, I ran a full mag though my VP9 (main carry) My Canik tp9 elite SC, and my SW M&P M2.0, if it would have had hiccups with any pistol I would know I needed to find something better for that specific pistol (I know you have your 226, SW, G43, and your micro dagger, if their all in your carry rotation they should all be vetted with the new ammo. And testing expansion isn't that hard, empty milk jugs, or gallons of water are free, and will show you how much they expand out of each barrel lenght (especially the 147gr might not expand as much out of the short barrels, which could lead to needing more rounds to stop a threat and possibly over penetration) So water jugs are the quickest cheapest way you can test that. Or.... You can make ballistic gel for about 16 bucks, you don't need all the fancy stuff people think. You need 8 Oz of Knox Unflavored gelatine (16 bucks on Amazon, maybe cheaper locally) , a measuring cup, some sort of tupper ware/ pyrex (plastic or glass works) cooking spray, and some water. Joe F who writes for the firearm blog (the actual blog not the youtube channel) has full article on how to make it, and he even has a video on his channel (Balistic aviation) ill try to link it up in a separate post. But I suspect YT will take down my post. So that'd give you more data, and could make for some interesting videos, this is about what Scott at KY Balistics used to do and it grew the heck outta his channel (buckeye balistics, Whitewood, and many others started out that way too) But even if you don't want to do the gel testing , you should at very least test the other stuff + a few water jugs, even if not on video. But honestly I'm no expert either, I just know that if things get dark for me I want to know exactly what I'm working with. And to be fair I've done the water jugs quite a few times, but have never made the gel, but it looks pretty easy. When I get a stand for my camera (for recording) and editing software, ill go ahead and do a gel test. Sorry if that was long winded, and all over the place I struggle to put thoughts and words into written/typed context. Also not saying your wrong but, saying how I do it. But you do you bro, I still enjoy the videos you do put out, and appreciate the friendship.
@@vegeta420z6 agreed on the validation points. still for what i'm doing right now, i'm keeping the content on a basic level. still working through my 2020 ammo so this latest purchase wont see daylight until 2030 at best with what I got right now. its mostly just purchasing and stocking up for the time being since prices will be creeping up again as we get closer to election.
Thanks for doing this - been curious about this company and their products. Price does seem too good to be true.
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How many rounds you gonna run to verify reliability?
And check your POA/POI?
You gonna shoot any gel, or water jugs to test expansion?
If they all work, and are reliable that's not a bad deal.
TBD
I am not a professional lol
@@casualshotsallday You really don't need to be.
Any ammo for defensive purposes needs to be tested and vetted regardless of brand or who is using it.
Some firearms don't like certain JHPs/deffensive ammo. So at very least you should run a magazine or two through any gun you plan on loading with said ammo. Anyone buying hollow points I'm assuming are using them for deffensive/offensive purposes and not just range plinking (if not buy ball ammo its cheaper)
But I'm sure you know that last part, so definitely need to test that it feeds, ejects and fires EVERY TIME of not ypu should select a different deffensive round.
If reliability is good, you also need to check the Point of aim (POA) vs Point of impact. Rounds that are similar shape and design and even the same weight may have drastically different sight picture holds, so you should see how it prints at whatever distance your optic is zeroed and dial it in accordingly.
I zeroed my RMR with 124 gr Blazer brass but then dialed it in with 124 GR HST (and there was some adjustments that needed made) the Blazer brass got it close but not quite. Then when I got my new batch of HST I verified that zero (didn't need to change anything my 15 yard zero from previous batch was still right on), as there can be inconsistencies between batches even among the exact same ammo.
Deffensive pistol always needs to be dialed in and ready so you know exactly 💯 where your going to hit, and that it's going to be reliable for every shot, fighting for your life isn't the time you wanna find out your pistol doesn't like this ammo, or is hitt 3 inches low/left.
And testing expansion if all else is good isn't as important but at the same time I like knowing what kind of performance I'm getting out of any pistol I carry.
When I just tested my new batch HST, I ran a full mag though my VP9 (main carry) My Canik tp9 elite SC, and my SW M&P M2.0, if it would have had hiccups with any pistol I would know I needed to find something better for that specific pistol (I know you have your 226, SW, G43, and your micro dagger, if their all in your carry rotation they should all be vetted with the new ammo.
And testing expansion isn't that hard, empty milk jugs, or gallons of water are free, and will show you how much they expand out of each barrel lenght (especially the 147gr might not expand as much out of the short barrels, which could lead to needing more rounds to stop a threat and possibly over penetration)
So water jugs are the quickest cheapest way you can test that.
Or....
You can make ballistic gel for about 16 bucks, you don't need all the fancy stuff people think. You need 8 Oz of Knox Unflavored gelatine (16 bucks on Amazon, maybe cheaper locally) , a measuring cup, some sort of tupper ware/ pyrex (plastic or glass works) cooking spray, and some water.
Joe F who writes for the firearm blog (the actual blog not the youtube channel) has full article on how to make it, and he even has a video on his channel (Balistic aviation) ill try to link it up in a separate post. But I suspect YT will take down my post.
So that'd give you more data, and could make for some interesting videos, this is about what Scott at KY Balistics used to do and it grew the heck outta his channel (buckeye balistics, Whitewood, and many others started out that way too)
But even if you don't want to do the gel testing , you should at very least test the other stuff + a few water jugs, even if not on video.
But honestly I'm no expert either, I just know that if things get dark for me I want to know exactly what I'm working with.
And to be fair I've done the water jugs quite a few times, but have never made the gel, but it looks pretty easy.
When I get a stand for my camera (for recording) and editing software, ill go ahead and do a gel test.
Sorry if that was long winded, and all over the place I struggle to put thoughts and words into written/typed context.
Also not saying your wrong but, saying how I do it.
But you do you bro, I still enjoy the videos you do put out, and appreciate the friendship.
Video of making Balistics gel
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@@vegeta420z6 agreed on the validation points. still for what i'm doing right now, i'm keeping the content on a basic level. still working through my 2020 ammo so this latest purchase wont see daylight until 2030 at best with what I got right now. its mostly just purchasing and stocking up for the time being since prices will be creeping up again as we get closer to election.
Thank you for the review. I run 147gr in my S&W FPC and CZ Scorpion
Appreciate it Nathan, very nice choices in firearms