People keep saying this doesn’t offer an upgrade path. Buy this and use it as your main camera and if/when you upgrade use your Mirrorless for your main and use this for top-down deskshots and stuff to add some interactivity to your streams. This is a brilliant looking camera.
I think it could be argued that for many the upgrade path value isn't value they will take advantage of, so spending a little less on something that can do a decent job VS a camera body/lens kit/ capture card wouldn't be the best selection for them anyways. Anything that moves the market of webcams into a less logitech owned market is a good thing. The whole space has been hungry for competition for at least 5 years.
Ayyyy Andrew nice to see you here!! I'm so close to pulling the trigger on this, currently streaming with two Canon DSLRs and the combo of Canon EOS (which is limited to 540p) and using NDI (has such bad delay) is anything but smooth for stream, need a dedicated webcam software that doesn't interrupt the Canon. Plan to use this for the top down shots like you mention lol
Will there be a video on optimizing the settings on facecam? I would be really interested in learning that from you, I easily fall into wrong decisions given my lack of expertise!
One big problem is this doesn't have PAL framerates, people outside of the US are screwed if they are trying to mix footage from this in with their other cameras at the same time. I thought this could be my new face camera to go with my top-down camera but sadly it won't work
In terms of color accuracy, it seems the elgato wins. This is one of the most important things for me as I'm in the market for a color accurate webcam for my creation needs. Thanks brother, I appreciate this review. Perfect timing too as I was about to get the kiyo pro.
Great review! I come from a more traditional production space, so I wan't super impressed with this camera based on the announcement stream, but you did a great job articulating its use for streamers. Curious to see if this leads to more streamer focused cams.
Regarding the color issue with the shirt. Was your your hair at the time of recording a blue-cyan, or a blue-violet? Comparing the color sample cards between cameras, it seems that the Red component of the Elgato is slightly weaker. It's simply less intense. Maybe this is something that can be adjusted for in settings? I'm not sure. As I understand it, most common color digital cameras use an array of sensors that each may detect only one of Red, Green, or Blue light. Regardless of the video format being used to transmit from camera to wherever. So perhaps there is something slightly off with the Red sensors. Maybe the size of each sensor isn't *quite* as large as it should be. Or some subtle detail of density or packing threw the Red off. Or there's something not quite right with the circuitry and processors responsible for converting from RAW sensor data, to uncompressed YUV. It could even be an error with the coatings on the lenses, causing less Red light to make it to the sensor. I'm no camera engineer, but I figure there's a lot of things that need to go right for a camera to be good. From your review though, I think the Elgato got more things more right, in just the right way, to have a viable and competitive product. If I get the money after paying for a bunch of other things, I'll strongly consider the Elgato webcam. (It's pretty non-essential for me, but would still be nice to have.)
Hi. Would you now recommend this camera over the PW513? I am a disabled creator and I’m finally getting a new computer built within a week or so I picked up the PW513 because I need a camera that just stays on all the time so regular cameras don’t really work for me physically. I didn’t open it yet because there was no point until my computer was ready so I can still send it back and I’m just really torn now and I’m not sure what to do. I’m going to be recording video as well so that’s why I was leaning toward 4K but the quality on this even though it’s only 1080 60 it does look more slightly natural.
so the problem i have is when the capture card already used for nintendo switch, then cannot use it for camcorder, and need a second capture card or alternate cam.
I could be wrong but a $200 webcam with no mic and only 1080P is only good for people have no concern with money that wanted to buy something. Or if someone got it for free, then yeah, the image quality is not bad, why wouldn't, it's $200 cam. But then, it's still not there yet.
Dude did you upgrade the firmware on the Kiyo Pro as they claim to have fixed the autofocus issue. I upgraded mine and get nowhere near as much AF searching as you get there. Also dunno if this is new too but the Kiyo Pro saves settings to the camera as well, although their preset management needs to be a little better in Synapse.
Love your take on things man! The most honest on here. All the others might as well be 5 second videos saying its amazing, buy it. You're always the video that makes my decision. I got the kiyo Pro through your link a few weeks ago. Thank you for the content. Cheers 🍻
An awesome video and review as per usual, Adam 😆👍👍 If I were in the market for a new webcam this offering from Elgato would definitely make my buying shortlist alongside Avermedia's PW513. ☺👌📷 Cheers to you, my man! 🍻
I don't recommend the PW513. Tried it against the BRIO and the BRIO was better. Go for Elgato Facecam instead (or maybe the Dell Ultrasharp, still waiting for proper reviews tho).
This is honestly one of the nicest webcams I've ever seen, crazy how it's their first one, way better than anything logitech ever made, I'm torn between this and the avermedia 513
Take this, the AverMedia PW513 is not that good. The focus range is waaay too far and there is a wierd color saturation on pink/reds (lisp are way more red than in reality). I tested both BRIO and PW513 and BRIO had overall better image quality (and face recognition for Windows Hello, at lower price).
I think that flicker looks a little inconsistent unlike most flicker, so hopefully it's just something in the software that can be changed. Otherwise I am convinced that this is well worth the price when you consider most mirrorless + cam link solutions are basically never below $400, and that this is basically the closest to mirrorless in a webcam you can get I think. Not to mention, this is the first public iteration, so maybe we will see much better versions in the future, even possibly with 4K60 maybe?
Elgato nailed this on the first try - finally a Webcam I actually am excited about, and I feel the price is fair (and hope other manufacturers take notice). Hopefully we can get can get a camera hub equivalent on Linux in the near future.
I feel like I can't completely agree. With all the 4-way tests, the Kiyo Pro looks the most natural to me (if we take away the dodgy focus-hunting that pops up now and then)
I like how everyone always says "The fisheye effect" like it's a bad thing, imo it looks cool af, it gives a sense of nostalgia, everyone used to have fisheye effects in the old skate videos and those look sick af to this day
I ordered myself 2 Facecams to replace my current ones. (Logitech C920 & C930e) As an Disclaimer: I had the Logitech Brio before, but I didn’t like the „beauty cam effect“ it had on me. That’s why I switched to the C920. Now, I was curious about using the Facecam. After testing it for two days, I can definitely agree to the Reviews. This cam - while image noise is still there, due to a bigger, but still small sensor - lived up to my expectations. That being said, I can confirm your experience of this cameras flickering issue. Luckily I can mask it with the right lighting choices, but still, I hope it can be fixed.
Bit misleading that they don't convert the aperture to full frame, only the focal length. Was surpriced to hear a F/2.4 having a fixed focal point. Don't know the sensor size so can't do my calculations, but f/2.4 (on full frame) gives about around 6cm (so around 2,5 inch I guess) of focus range. Would be interested to see what the converted aperture is, because this is just misleading if they also don't mention real focal length and / or sensor size. One of the first comments in Linus video was that they were disappointed in the bokeh for an 2.4 lens. And I think people will buy it with an expectation that they will get more background blur
ahh man, this ticks a good amount of boxes, only thing it really is missing is ability to set a focus. Having Locked to desk distance is all fine, but means you can never use it for distance shots if you were doing say a cooking stream or if you wanted to have your background in focus if you have guests on a sofa. What would of been smart was to add in physical wide focus ring to manually do focus with, or of course built in focus, and then you could have the benefit of linking that to Steamdesk to button press to go to a set focus range for Close up product reviews, and one for in chair streaming, and then one for background focus when with multiple people. Let's hope they come out with a Pro version that has benefit of focus and a nice Mic.
Is it just me or was the image on the FaceCam blown out quite a bit compared to the Kiyo Pro and AV? Seemed to fix with software though, I feel like the Kiyo FOV and HDR meet my needs more, Kiyo Pro is going for $100 right now on Amazon too!
Idk The Razer Kiyo pro does have less color accuracy but to my eyes it's much sharper than the Elgato Facecam, it really just looks like the Elgato is just a cooler tone webcam in general, hense why it looks better on your skin but not the shirt. Tbf I think the slight color difference is worth the more detail on the Kiyo Pro and that's weird because I hate Razer stuff.
I have used 'DroidCam' for my Android phone the LG Stylo 6 smart phone. With the droidcam can I can select which camera in the rear I can use or switch to the front cam. For a microphone I use a lapel mic connected to the phone. I only stream online at Twitch for about 1 hour 1/2 and it works fine. I have my battery saver on in the phone settings and never had an issue. It works over Wifi but I did find if you have a older laptop and it has only a older wifi card then it won't work. However with my wifi being AX it works great. I can use it in OBS and the colors look fine. Maybe a review is possible EposVox?
There was a Stream Deck integration in the time code but it was just an ad for Nebula. Was that a subtle way of saying if you want to see what the Stream Deck integration is to watch the extended cut on Nebula?
The price kills it for me and I wonder just who exactly is the target audience. I would not recommend this camera to a beginner streamer who is still getting their feet wet. Someone who is established and making some decent money could use this as a side cam or whatnot like you mentioned but they're heavily marketing this as a main camera solution. Someone who has money to burn would also benefit more from a solid mic setup over this camera.
This is perfect for multi cam setups who have an interactive streaming experience instead of the typical 1-2cam setup. Other live multi cam setups can go as high as 1.5k just on cameras alone. This camera can work well as a satellite camera for video podcast/interviews.
cam girls. i want a clear HD stream but not the sort of HD level that a DSLR would give. no one needs to see my imperfections THAT HD. but a forgiving webcam, which is still super clear quality is right up my street.
Too bad it crashes every time no matter if it’s updated, even after I tried different cables including c to c, using 3.0 ports it’s just always crashing after like 30 seconds it’s so bad
I had both BRIO and PW513 and I preferred the BRIO. AverMedia focus range is way too far and it has a wierd pink/red saturation issue. If you can send the PW513 back, do it and take this (or maybe the Dell Ultrasharp, still waiting for proper reviews on it).
I kinda think the Kiyo Pro still looks the best keeping a lot of detail. I have all of these cameras except the facecam which I think I'm going to get otherwise. :D
Yeah watched this in 4K on my 50" TV and the Kiyo Pro was markedly more sharp and less over-exposed than the Elgato. They also largely fixed that autofocus issue in a firmware update. Along with saving settings to camera it's actually the better buy right now because it can be had for like £145 in the UK whereas the Elgato is £190. Although I can see Elgato having more software updates as time goes on.
I would love to see some company try to use a Micro 4/3 sensor for a webcam, not sure why no one has tried it even if it means a higher cost. But imagine the quality from a sensor of that size with a Panasonic processor
Lens size is proportional to sensor size, bigger sensor, bigger lens, more weight, bigger and more sturdy mount required, much higher cost. If you're going to do that, then why not make it self contained just like any mirrorless or DSLR camera that'll double as a webcam. People who want a better webcam, usually end up using a camera.
I wish the LX100 line had clean HDMI ... or they would bring out an LX100 stream edition with a fixed 24mm 1.7, without zoom, VF, screen it could be quite small.
@@magottyk if they strip out many of the "camera" features then you can reduce cost but retain the quality you would get from an actual camera, but it's limited to being a webcam. Micro 4/3 is a versatile platform and way better than 1 inch and sub 1 inch sensors, no matter if you have a Sony cmos sensor
It seems all the competition in webcams is at the $200 price point. A few years ago a $100 webcam was considered high end with the C920 in the $40-50 category.
Not really. Nothing worthwhile launched at $100 for almost a decade. The C920 was over $80 at launch, the C922 was a big disappointment at like $100 launch, the Brio came in even higher at $250 launch and the StreamCam was $200 at launch.
@@EposVox While the C920/22 may have been disappointments, they were high end in the consumer space at the time. I don't remember anything better, but your knowledge is superior in this area. I still have an old quick cam pro, which was a laptop webcam. I also had (it broke) a Logitech Oribit. Both were top of the line at the time and around $100 or so. However, you have to agree that the focus is at the $200 price point. Dell is also launching (or launched) a $200 webcam. BTW, I bought that cheap webcam you demonstrated on Amazon Live to play with.
For flicker, I set my shutter speed to 1/100 on my DSLR. This has eliminated the flicker from my Philips Hue lights completely. I discovered that the flicker frequency of these lights was around 1 KHz via Reddit. This is the same for a lot of dimmable smart bulbs.
Can you make the camera settings whilst attached to a computer and then disconnect it from the computer and attach directly to a capture card? Will the settings be retained??
There’s no such thing for webcams. You’d need a whole computer (or raspberry pi) sitting between webcam and hdmi input to take the *already digital USB video* and output it back out to HDMI. Which would be completely pointless to just put it back in a capture card. Webcams have that built in lol
Does the Facecam's "uncompressed video" put a greater strain on bandwidth, compared to other webcams that use compression? Like, if you are in a group meeting where bandwidth might already be compromised or limited by the number of webcams in the meeting, or other factors. Just wondering if "uncompressed" is a "good" thing in all scenarios.
The amount of extremely bright lights blinding you to make the facecam look good is almost not even worth going blind and getting headaches , and this is ISO 150 range
They’re not blinding and they’re the exact same lights “to make” my full frame and micro four thirds real cameras “look good” so this isn’t remotely a critique of the Facecam specifically lol
@@EposVox problem is most new computer's have only 2 type C ports. With the new camera and the XLR interface both being C, you can not have anything else. Poor planning. No second camera.
This webcam definitely will help bring up the stream quality of someone's stream while keeping costs low. Should be a very good solution for most, however I wouldn't get rid of my DSLR for this.
@@39zack Why not? I wouldn't buy a new DSLR as a webcam now, but if you still have one with clean output, then it should not impact the quality. Also if you can pick up a second cheaper than a mirrorless it also still can be a great option. Or if you bought a new camera but you old one is still more than capable as a webcam. As long if the autofocus works good enough (or you use manual focus). I don't see why you need an dslr should fail as a webcam. That being said, I think people indeed just use dslr for mirrorless camera's.
As I keep looking to check for image quality the webcam, I can't stop seeing your eyes moving back and forth to the teleprompter. Maybe I am more conscious as image quality is better but it's so distracting!
I use to love Droidcam OBS (as opposed to standard droidcam). It's lightweight, it HAD pretty great clarity and color (a lot more accurate than epoc cam as far as I'm concerned), and it was totally fine other than having to setup my phone anytime I wanted to record or stream. But for some reason, it won't let me connect over USB anymore (hence the HAD great clarity). Now I'm trying to get into streaming and UA-cam again, and it will only let me connect over wifi. At this point I might as well have a c920. At least that would stay setup and ready to go 24/7.
other webcams at 200 or more are not as good as this at all, 200 USD or (189 GBP) in my case is worth it because everything else is kinda ass besides a mirrorless camera.
I am confused about the hype around this camera. It looks like overprocessed upscaled 480p... To be more precise, the softness I see reaaally reminds me of how Canon used to make 1080p video in their DSLR's by pixelbinning (essentially only reading every 5 pixels or so) the sensor and taking that resulting image that was closer to 720p and upscaling it to 1080p before encoding it to h264. Yes, the 7D and the 5DMII was the start of the DSLR revolution for video, but they also had that very soft look. It kind of looked out of focus even when in focus. Especially when I got a GH4 and could source 4K and downres to 2K it was like when you need glasses and put them on for the first time. That's why I'm describing the FaceCam as upscaled 480p. Because outside the moire, it still feels like there should be WAAAAY more detail in the 1080p video stream. I mean. I do like that they included the controls, but it doesn't really matter when it has less detailed image than my years old c920.
this or logi streamcam? lol i still reject webcams, despite needing one thru corona pandemie. thanks gopro for patching my useless hero8 to be a damn expensive webcam.
Nothing but problems with it so far, cable it came with is causing problems for a lot of people(Camera freezing), after replacing that the video now slowly gets input lag as stream/recording goes on.
People keep saying this doesn’t offer an upgrade path. Buy this and use it as your main camera and if/when you upgrade use your Mirrorless for your main and use this for top-down deskshots and stuff to add some interactivity to your streams. This is a brilliant looking camera.
I totally agree with that sentiment. It’s a perfect path to take with it.
This isn't an upgrade. This is just a different use for the FaceCam.
I could see a lot of scenes where this would be great to use and probably a lot easier to relocate than a DSLR.
I think it could be argued that for many the upgrade path value isn't value they will take advantage of, so spending a little less on something that can do a decent job VS a camera body/lens kit/ capture card wouldn't be the best selection for them anyways.
Anything that moves the market of webcams into a less logitech owned market is a good thing. The whole space has been hungry for competition for at least 5 years.
Ayyyy Andrew nice to see you here!! I'm so close to pulling the trigger on this, currently streaming with two Canon DSLRs and the combo of Canon EOS (which is limited to 540p) and using NDI (has such bad delay) is anything but smooth for stream, need a dedicated webcam software that doesn't interrupt the Canon. Plan to use this for the top down shots like you mention lol
Glad I’m not the only one with the flickering, I couldn’t get rid of it either
Thanks for bringing up the coloring issues! I had noticed the differences between the webcams in your video and in other people's videos.
Will there be a video on optimizing the settings on facecam? I would be really interested in learning that from you, I easily fall into wrong decisions given my lack of expertise!
I was hype for the duration of this review, but when you said the price I made the sound of a rapidly deflating pufferfish.
It's less than half the price of a sony a6100 mirrorless cam
One big problem is this doesn't have PAL framerates, people outside of the US are screwed if they are trying to mix footage from this in with their other cameras at the same time. I thought this could be my new face camera to go with my top-down camera but sadly it won't work
Oof, thanks for this comment! I almost went in with this before seeing it. Feels like a big oversight though. Isn't Europe a market? :/
So you had Linus come down to unscrew the camera? 5:08
In terms of color accuracy, it seems the elgato wins. This is one of the most important things for me as I'm in the market for a color accurate webcam for my creation needs. Thanks brother, I appreciate this review. Perfect timing too as I was about to get the kiyo pro.
Great review! I come from a more traditional production space, so I wan't super impressed with this camera based on the announcement stream, but you did a great job articulating its use for streamers. Curious to see if this leads to more streamer focused cams.
Regarding the color issue with the shirt. Was your your hair at the time of recording a blue-cyan, or a blue-violet?
Comparing the color sample cards between cameras, it seems that the Red component of the Elgato is slightly weaker. It's simply less intense. Maybe this is something that can be adjusted for in settings? I'm not sure.
As I understand it, most common color digital cameras use an array of sensors that each may detect only one of Red, Green, or Blue light. Regardless of the video format being used to transmit from camera to wherever. So perhaps there is something slightly off with the Red sensors. Maybe the size of each sensor isn't *quite* as large as it should be. Or some subtle detail of density or packing threw the Red off. Or there's something not quite right with the circuitry and processors responsible for converting from RAW sensor data, to uncompressed YUV. It could even be an error with the coatings on the lenses, causing less Red light to make it to the sensor.
I'm no camera engineer, but I figure there's a lot of things that need to go right for a camera to be good.
From your review though, I think the Elgato got more things more right, in just the right way, to have a viable and competitive product. If I get the money after paying for a bunch of other things, I'll strongly consider the Elgato webcam. (It's pretty non-essential for me, but would still be nice to have.)
Really appreciate a solid, honest look at this camera.
Nice, my Dell Ultrasharp just arrived today so you should be getting yours soon!
Unrelated, but what mic are you using? ☺️
Would you choose this over the Avermedia PW513? And if you already have the Avermedia PW513 is it worth purchasing the Elgato Facecam?
I have the same question
Hi. Would you now recommend this camera over the PW513? I am a disabled creator and I’m finally getting a new computer built within a week or so I picked up the PW513 because I need a camera that just stays on all the time so regular cameras don’t really work for me physically. I didn’t open it yet because there was no point until my computer was ready so I can still send it back and I’m just really torn now and I’m not sure what to do. I’m going to be recording video as well so that’s why I was leaning toward 4K but the quality on this even though it’s only 1080 60 it does look more slightly natural.
so the problem i have is when the capture card already used for nintendo switch, then cannot use it for camcorder, and need a second capture card or alternate cam.
If not for that awful deal-breaking autofocus issue, I like the Razer's image quality the most.
I mean you could just turn it off.
After recently upgrading, I am finding this very punchy with very little dynamic range for my tastes. Not sure if your settings, or just the camera..
This webcam is actually way neater than I initially thought, GG elgato
I could be wrong but a $200 webcam with no mic and only 1080P is only good for people have no concern with money that wanted to buy something. Or if someone got it for free, then yeah, the image quality is not bad, why wouldn't, it's $200 cam. But then, it's still not there yet.
Dude did you upgrade the firmware on the Kiyo Pro as they claim to have fixed the autofocus issue. I upgraded mine and get nowhere near as much AF searching as you get there. Also dunno if this is new too but the Kiyo Pro saves settings to the camera as well, although their preset management needs to be a little better in Synapse.
Love your take on things man! The most honest on here. All the others might as well be 5 second videos saying its amazing, buy it. You're always the video that makes my decision. I got the kiyo Pro through your link a few weeks ago. Thank you for the content. Cheers 🍻
An awesome video and review as per usual, Adam 😆👍👍
If I were in the market for a new webcam this offering from Elgato would definitely make my buying shortlist alongside Avermedia's PW513. ☺👌📷
Cheers to you, my man! 🍻
I don't recommend the PW513. Tried it against the BRIO and the BRIO was better.
Go for Elgato Facecam instead (or maybe the Dell Ultrasharp, still waiting for proper reviews tho).
I just want to say thank God we have you cause the short circuit review was insanely bad lol.
It was really bad indeed. They didn't even show the software. Maybe they made the video weeks ago, before the software was ready.
@@Jmartinezvega I love where on short circuit he's like "the auto focus is really good!" 🤣
This is honestly one of the nicest webcams I've ever seen, crazy how it's their first one, way better than anything logitech ever made, I'm torn between this and the avermedia 513
Take this, the AverMedia PW513 is not that good.
The focus range is waaay too far and there is a wierd color saturation on pink/reds (lisp are way more red than in reality).
I tested both BRIO and PW513 and BRIO had overall better image quality (and face recognition for Windows Hello, at lower price).
I'm upgrading my webcam. At the end of the day, would you recommend this or the Avermedia camera?
I think that flicker looks a little inconsistent unlike most flicker, so hopefully it's just something in the software that can be changed.
Otherwise I am convinced that this is well worth the price when you consider most mirrorless + cam link solutions are basically never below $400, and that this is basically the closest to mirrorless in a webcam you can get I think.
Not to mention, this is the first public iteration, so maybe we will see much better versions in the future, even possibly with 4K60 maybe?
Elgato nailed this on the first try - finally a Webcam I actually am excited about, and I feel the price is fair (and hope other manufacturers take notice). Hopefully we can get can get a camera hub equivalent on Linux in the near future.
Same. Kind of excited about it, but I'm expect Linux support to be nonexistent outside of UVC.
I feel like I can't completely agree. With all the 4-way tests, the Kiyo Pro looks the most natural to me (if we take away the dodgy focus-hunting that pops up now and then)
Cool! It’s a great option that I also reviewed favorably and has gone on multiple sales for like $99 making it an extremely good value
I like how everyone always says "The fisheye effect" like it's a bad thing, imo it looks cool af, it gives a sense of nostalgia, everyone used to have fisheye effects in the old skate videos and those look sick af to this day
Putting the Kiyo Pro in auto focus mode is just mean.
I ordered myself 2 Facecams to replace my current ones. (Logitech C920 & C930e) As an Disclaimer: I had the Logitech Brio before, but I didn’t like the „beauty cam effect“ it had on me. That’s why I switched to the C920. Now, I was curious about using the Facecam.
After testing it for two days, I can definitely agree to the Reviews. This cam - while image noise is still there, due to a bigger, but still small sensor - lived up to my expectations.
That being said, I can confirm your experience of this cameras flickering issue. Luckily I can mask it with the right lighting choices, but still, I hope it can be fixed.
This is an amazing video that might actually make me upgrade!
A fantastic review as always!
Bit misleading that they don't convert the aperture to full frame, only the focal length. Was surpriced to hear a F/2.4 having a fixed focal point. Don't know the sensor size so can't do my calculations, but f/2.4 (on full frame) gives about around 6cm (so around 2,5 inch I guess) of focus range.
Would be interested to see what the converted aperture is, because this is just misleading if they also don't mention real focal length and / or sensor size.
One of the first comments in Linus video was that they were disappointed in the bokeh for an 2.4 lens. And I think people will buy it with an expectation that they will get more background blur
Good thing there’s no end of sample footage they could look at before buying
ahh man, this ticks a good amount of boxes, only thing it really is missing is ability to set a focus. Having Locked to desk distance is all fine, but means you can never use it for distance shots if you were doing say a cooking stream or if you wanted to have your background in focus if you have guests on a sofa. What would of been smart was to add in physical wide focus ring to manually do focus with, or of course built in focus, and then you could have the benefit of linking that to Steamdesk to button press to go to a set focus range for Close up product reviews, and one for in chair streaming, and then one for background focus when with multiple people. Let's hope they come out with a Pro version that has benefit of focus and a nice Mic.
I'll wait for the next improved version. At $200 it has to be no less than perfect.
Is it just me or was the image on the FaceCam blown out quite a bit compared to the Kiyo Pro and AV? Seemed to fix with software though, I feel like the Kiyo FOV and HDR meet my needs more, Kiyo Pro is going for $100 right now on Amazon too!
Still me goto channel for streaming. And he DOES get back to you when he can. Top bloke. Thanks for your hard work buddy. 👍👊💯
Thank you :)
What about this vs the huddle cam. The huddle cam seemed so cool
Great video, love all the details, thank you!
Idk The Razer Kiyo pro does have less color accuracy but to my eyes it's much sharper than the Elgato Facecam, it really just looks like the Elgato is just a cooler tone webcam in general, hense why it looks better on your skin but not the shirt.
Tbf I think the slight color difference is worth the more detail on the Kiyo Pro and that's weird because I hate Razer stuff.
I have used 'DroidCam' for my Android phone the LG Stylo 6 smart phone. With the droidcam can I can select which camera in the rear I can use or switch to the front cam. For a microphone I use a lapel mic connected to the phone. I only stream online at Twitch for about 1 hour 1/2 and it works fine. I have my battery saver on in the phone settings and never had an issue. It works over Wifi but I did find if you have a older laptop and it has only a older wifi card then it won't work. However with my wifi being AX it works great. I can use it in OBS and the colors look fine. Maybe a review is possible EposVox?
There was a Stream Deck integration in the time code but it was just an ad for Nebula. Was that a subtle way of saying if you want to see what the Stream Deck integration is to watch the extended cut on Nebula?
Not super subtle given I quite literally say that :P
Elgato Shirt Cam coming next week
The price kills it for me and I wonder just who exactly is the target audience. I would not recommend this camera to a beginner streamer who is still getting their feet wet. Someone who is established and making some decent money could use this as a side cam or whatnot like you mentioned but they're heavily marketing this as a main camera solution. Someone who has money to burn would also benefit more from a solid mic setup over this camera.
This is perfect for multi cam setups who have an interactive streaming experience instead of the typical 1-2cam setup. Other live multi cam setups can go as high as 1.5k just on cameras alone. This camera can work well as a satellite camera for video podcast/interviews.
cam girls. i want a clear HD stream but not the sort of HD level that a DSLR would give. no one needs to see my imperfections THAT HD. but a forgiving webcam, which is still super clear quality is right up my street.
Did Elgato disclose what SOC they are using? Obviously if you signed an NDA don’t tell me 😅 but I’m very curious.
Wow the contrast is actually a proper contrast slider without it turning you into a cartoony mess.
I have a logitech brio, should i switch to facecam?
Too bad it crashes every time no matter if it’s updated, even after I tried different cables including c to c, using 3.0 ports it’s just always crashing after like 30 seconds it’s so bad
got the cam based off your vid here, if ya fix that flicker issue pls post an update or vid on fix, its buggin me too
Compare Elgate to the new Dell ultrasharp Webcam. Currently it is even cheaper ant it is 4k one. Would be interesting to see the diff
Thoughts on this versus the Dell UltraSharp? Seems like the ultrasharp offers a lot more for the same price.
Still waiting on mine to ship. looked meh tho
I have the Avermedia PW513 - Do think it's a good idea to switch to this Webcam or should I keep the PW513?
I'd just keep the PW513
@@EposVox thank you for reply, next question is how do I get the software working... :(
I had both BRIO and PW513 and I preferred the BRIO. AverMedia focus range is way too far and it has a wierd pink/red saturation issue.
If you can send the PW513 back, do it and take this (or maybe the Dell Ultrasharp, still waiting for proper reviews on it).
Thinking of changing my Logitech c922 to the elgato but idk if it’s a good idea
Me being horribly colorblind “wait…. The shirt is obviously pink?”
Video: what is better 2nd hand DSLR from eBay or new Elgato facecam?
I feel like the Razer Kiyo Pro still managed to capture a great image, given that you need to adjust the auto focus manually.
It's solid for sure!
Is your keylight on the other side??
FINALLY a cam withouth mic !
A playstation shirt with a super famicom type of art?
Did they resolve the gain flicker issue?
Is this better than the kiyo pro?
every review ive seen on the facecam has mentioned the flicker.maybe a software update can fix it
The product links don't work fyi
Is it better than the Avermedia PW513? Don`t think so...
For 60fps use, it absolutely is. Versus the 4k30 mode, less so.
Do you know if this camera is possible to use with Atem mini?
No. It's a USB webcam, not a HDMI camera
I kinda think the Kiyo Pro still looks the best keeping a lot of detail. I have all of these cameras except the facecam which I think I'm going to get otherwise. :D
Yeah watched this in 4K on my 50" TV and the Kiyo Pro was markedly more sharp and less over-exposed than the Elgato.
They also largely fixed that autofocus issue in a firmware update. Along with saving settings to camera it's actually the better buy right now because it can be had for like £145 in the UK whereas the Elgato is £190.
Although I can see Elgato having more software updates as time goes on.
I would love to see some company try to use a Micro 4/3 sensor for a webcam, not sure why no one has tried it even if it means a higher cost. But imagine the quality from a sensor of that size with a Panasonic processor
Lens size is proportional to sensor size, bigger sensor, bigger lens, more weight, bigger and more sturdy mount required, much higher cost. If you're going to do that, then why not make it self contained just like any mirrorless or DSLR camera that'll double as a webcam.
People who want a better webcam, usually end up using a camera.
I wish the LX100 line had clean HDMI ... or they would bring out an LX100 stream edition with a fixed 24mm 1.7, without zoom, VF, screen it could be quite small.
@@magottyk if they strip out many of the "camera" features then you can reduce cost but retain the quality you would get from an actual camera, but it's limited to being a webcam. Micro 4/3 is a versatile platform and way better than 1 inch and sub 1 inch sensors, no matter if you have a Sony cmos sensor
It seems all the competition in webcams is at the $200 price point. A few years ago a $100 webcam was considered high end with the C920 in the $40-50 category.
Not really. Nothing worthwhile launched at $100 for almost a decade. The C920 was over $80 at launch, the C922 was a big disappointment at like $100 launch, the Brio came in even higher at $250 launch and the StreamCam was $200 at launch.
@@EposVox While the C920/22 may have been disappointments, they were high end in the consumer space at the time. I don't remember anything better, but your knowledge is superior in this area. I still have an old quick cam pro, which was a laptop webcam. I also had (it broke) a Logitech Oribit. Both were top of the line at the time and around $100 or so. However, you have to agree that the focus is at the $200 price point. Dell is also launching (or launched) a $200 webcam. BTW, I bought that cheap webcam you demonstrated on Amazon Live to play with.
For flicker, I set my shutter speed to 1/100 on my DSLR. This has eliminated the flicker from my Philips Hue lights completely. I discovered that the flicker frequency of these lights was around 1 KHz via Reddit. This is the same for a lot of dimmable smart bulbs.
This is a flicker of the sensor, not lights. Shutter speed doesn’t change anything
@@EposVox hopefully Elgato can address this through a firmware update!
latency and low light tests?
Can you make the camera settings whilst attached to a computer and then disconnect it from the computer and attach directly to a capture card? Will the settings be retained??
Well a usb webcam cannot be used with a capture card
@@EposVox usb to hdmi converter?
There’s no such thing for webcams. You’d need a whole computer (or raspberry pi) sitting between webcam and hdmi input to take the *already digital USB video* and output it back out to HDMI. Which would be completely pointless to just put it back in a capture card. Webcams have that built in lol
@@EposVox not when your using an atem extreme to stream from….
A device for real cameras, not webcams
You ever fix the flicker thing?
Nope! :/
How does this do vs the kiyo pro in low light situations?
but does it work with Linux
Gee, I wonder if that was answered in the video, perhaps even in the clearly labeled and timecoded “Mac & Linux” section with chapter markers?
Does the Facecam's "uncompressed video" put a greater strain on bandwidth, compared to other webcams that use compression? Like, if you are in a group meeting where bandwidth might already be compromised or limited by the number of webcams in the meeting, or other factors. Just wondering if "uncompressed" is a "good" thing in all scenarios.
being able to change the ISO, Shutter speed, detachable cable, SAVED SETTINGS is worth the 200 USD (189 GBP)
The amount of extremely bright lights blinding you to make the facecam look good is almost not even worth going blind and getting headaches , and this is ISO 150 range
They’re not blinding and they’re the exact same lights “to make” my full frame and micro four thirds real cameras “look good” so this isn’t remotely a critique of the Facecam specifically lol
Got it with a 10% off code yesterday. Hope it looks better than the kiyo pro
I have the flicker issue really bad in my highlights in the background
With todays options, wish it had NDI output. NDI would solve the multi app issue
Ehhhhh not really.
@@EposVox problem is most new computer's have only 2 type C ports. With the new camera and the XLR interface both being C, you can not have anything else. Poor planning. No second camera.
This webcam definitely will help bring up the stream quality of someone's stream while keeping costs low. Should be a very good solution for most, however I wouldn't get rid of my DSLR for this.
No webcam would ever be something you should get rid of your DSLR for, so... cool. lol
Why are people using dslrs as webcams?
I hope most who is saying dslr actually means mirrorless.
Most people are, but there are some DSLRs in use too
@@39zack Why not? I wouldn't buy a new DSLR as a webcam now, but if you still have one with clean output, then it should not impact the quality. Also if you can pick up a second cheaper than a mirrorless it also still can be a great option. Or if you bought a new camera but you old one is still more than capable as a webcam.
As long if the autofocus works good enough (or you use manual focus). I don't see why you need an dslr should fail as a webcam.
That being said, I think people indeed just use dslr for mirrorless camera's.
@@Anco well, sure if you already have one yes, but as you say, I would not buy one for Webcam new over an mirrorless because less space
How does it compare to Logitech brio 4k cam
The flicker in the highlights might be clipping, some what akin to audio peaking. Just a guess.
Unfortunately it’s not. Happens even if the highlights are way underexposed
In the clip shown at 17:52 when the highlights flicker it also seems like the entire image is also flickering with it as well.
As I keep looking to check for image quality the webcam, I can't stop seeing your eyes moving back and forth to the teleprompter. Maybe I am more conscious as image quality is better but it's so distracting!
Is it me or does it look somehow too oversharpened, like not normal webcam amounts?
I use to love Droidcam OBS (as opposed to standard droidcam). It's lightweight, it HAD pretty great clarity and color (a lot more accurate than epoc cam as far as I'm concerned), and it was totally fine other than having to setup my phone anytime I wanted to record or stream. But for some reason, it won't let me connect over USB anymore (hence the HAD great clarity). Now I'm trying to get into streaming and UA-cam again, and it will only let me connect over wifi.
At this point I might as well have a c920. At least that would stay setup and ready to go 24/7.
Update: got a C920 and downloaded G Hub. It's locked in and works well with my lighting.
We want blurred background! Well I do! f/2.4 just can't do that. Otherwise I'm sold!
No webcam can do that without software
In the test the pw513 was on 1080p? or 4k 👀
1080p60 on all cams
@@EposVox Thanks, very good video!
Love elgato but no way in hell is this worth 200 bucks
It is when you buy other Webcams, such as the razer Kiyo or the 922 and neither keep their damn settings when you restart your pc :)
other webcams at 200 or more are not as good as this at all, 200 USD or (189 GBP) in my case is worth it because everything else is kinda ass besides a mirrorless camera.
For some reason the camera freezes in obs
Anyone know why?
Is it still freezing in OBS for you? That's what I need it for so if it's still a major issue this is going to be a big no-go for me lol
I am confused about the hype around this camera. It looks like overprocessed upscaled 480p...
To be more precise, the softness I see reaaally reminds me of how Canon used to make 1080p video in their DSLR's by pixelbinning (essentially only reading every 5 pixels or so) the sensor and taking that resulting image that was closer to 720p and upscaling it to 1080p before encoding it to h264. Yes, the 7D and the 5DMII was the start of the DSLR revolution for video, but they also had that very soft look. It kind of looked out of focus even when in focus. Especially when I got a GH4 and could source 4K and downres to 2K it was like when you need glasses and put them on for the first time. That's why I'm describing the FaceCam as upscaled 480p. Because outside the moire, it still feels like there should be WAAAAY more detail in the 1080p video stream.
I mean. I do like that they included the controls, but it doesn't really matter when it has less detailed image than my years old c920.
ULTRAKILL!!!
this or logi streamcam? lol i still reject webcams, despite needing one thru corona pandemie. thanks gopro for patching my useless hero8 to be a damn expensive webcam.
This webcam guy is fast.
I just got my razer kiyo but once I have the money im gonna yeet it out my window and get this
It looks great. Now to come up with some extra money 💰
Nothing but problems with it so far, cable it came with is causing problems for a lot of people(Camera freezing), after replacing that the video now slowly gets input lag as stream/recording goes on.
oof no microphone? for 200?