Having been to Northwestern @ Maryland football a few years back it seems like Maryland fans would like to reassemble some of their basketball rivalries so UNC would be a popular add. I still talk up your stadium concessions -- Crab Tots, Chick fil A, and Flying Dog craft beer. No other B1G school has decent concessions.
Many Maryland fans are resentful of their time in the ACC. They feel like they were treated poorly, like an outcast. Also many are still bitter about the things that were said when Maryland left the ACC. So I think that some of what you say is true, but also I think many Maryland fans are more than happy to watch the ACC teams twisting in the wind right now. I personally don't carry that grudge. I do think that adding UNC and UVA in particular would be very good for Maryland and the Big Ten (though if you saw my previous realignment video, you'll see that I predict they both end up in the SEC). FSU, Clemson and Miami would be good as well for football and TV money, though none of those three were ever really "rivals" of Maryland. I don't think any of the other schools make sense for the Big Ten.
@@InsideMarylandSports Talking to the people from other "new" B1G schools at their stadiums: PSU - they were independent and the B1G seemed like a good place to be especially with Michigan and tOSU Nebraska - they HATE Texas and would've stayed in the Big 8 forever had Texas not ruined everything Rutgers - just happy to be wanted by anyone Maryland - basketball fans were disappointed with the departure, but understood the money, but football fans seemed happy to get into a football focused conference Do Maryland alums/fans feel like they are accepted as B1G members? Having no natural rivalries must be strange. As a private school my Northwestern is little strange, but we still have 128 years of history with the original members. 18 teams is crazy, but I think once we get 20 maybe we can break back into 2 sub-conferences that are manageable and retain rivalries.
@@fecat93 I think there is a range of opinions amongst the Maryland fan base. A small portion are still pining for the old days of the 8 or 9 team ACC. I think a large portion of the fan base were upset when the announcement was first made, but most of them have moved on. I don't think there's anyone left who views it as a bad move anymore. I personally was very happy about it immediately. I had been calling for it to happen for years. Overall I think everyone is really happy to be in the league now, and hoping the recent run of solid football will continue, and possibly move even higher. And clearly everyone is unhappy with basketball at the moment. Maryland has the potential to be a top 10 team every year. There weren't really any rivals in the ACC either to be honest. Sort of UVA, but their main rival is Virginia Tech. Sort of UNC and Duke, but just because they were so good, and obviously they view each other as their primary rival. In football, Penn State has kind of replaced Duke as the hated team because they've dominated Maryland so much. Rutgers is somewhat of a rival but only really because they're the closest team and both entered at the same time. I wouldn't call it a true rivalry though.
@@tarheel7406 The reason Maryland fans have been apathetic about basketball is not because of the Big Ten. It's because they had a basketball coach for ten years who was perfectly stuck in a spot that was just barely good enough not to get fired, but could never reach levels that would truly excite anyone. And it wore down the fanbase. He was nicknamed Mediocre Mark. The hope is that Kevin Willard can get the team back into national relevance once he gets his own players into the program (which will be the case starting next year, so we will see). I don't think UNC would have any issues with apathy. If they're still top 10 every year, then they'll have no issues.
Here's how I would do it: (Ditch the Domers because they're never coming) 1. Florida State 2. Miami 3. North Carolina 4. Georgia Tech 5. Clemson 6. Utah 7. Kansas 8. Stanford 9. Colorado 10. South Florida 11. Arizona State 12. Arizona 13. Virginia 14. Pitt 15. Cal
Nice list. My list would have been very similar without using the data. I might have Virginia higher, maybe up to 10. And I do think Notre Dame will eventually cave. If they do, they're #1.
I think it will be more than 4 if you're talking SEC, Big Ten and Big 12. FSU, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia are all candidates for the SEC and Big Ten. Louisville, Pitt, Virginia Tech, NC State strong candidates for the Big 12.
Re: Baylor - "They're in Texas" They are 90 minutes from any major airport, located in a metropolitan area with under 300k people (smaller than Iowa City MSA), would immediately become the smallest school in the Big Ten, and have 100k fewer living alumni than Northwestern (the current smallest school in the Big Ten). Using state population is a very poor metric. Baylor is farther from the largest city in Texas (Houston) than College Park is from Philadelphia and Richmond. Also Baylor isn't among the top 10 largest schools in Texas. Utah is the flagship, basically tied for most popular school in a MSA of over 1million people. And Colorado is only 40 minutes away from Denver and Boulder is bigger than Waco.
Many people have criticized how much boost I gave to the Texas schools. So you're probably right about that. State population does matter though in terms of cable fees for the Big Ten Network. There's discussion of this lower in one of the other comments.
Also I do agree that Utah seems like a really great candidate. If I were doing rankings just based on my own perception and not based on the formula, I'd have them much higher.
Political borders don't define markets. That's we we call them markets and not states. Footprint is the second factor that isn't (correct)data driven. All time AP is too long. No one cares if you were good in the whenevers.
It matters for The Big Ten Network. In states where the Big Ten has teams they charge about a dollar more per cable customer a month, which there are still about 70 million cable TV households in the US still. The metro area market also matters.
@@InsideMarylandSports The cable companies don't measure markets based on state boundaries. Example: LA vs Bay Area. They are noth in california. Your numbers are wrong. Search for top 100 TV markets in the USA to improve your analysis
@@InsideMarylandSports PS You should include sports market saturation with an emphasis on the NFL. Example...BAMA Who is the Big dawg in town? The Steelers or PITT? Bama or...
@@frictionhitch This is a good article to explains the cable fees. Adding schools in a state increases the fees for BTN for the entire state. It does say that California may be split into North and South in one sentence. But that is the first I've ever heard that. We've had Dave Revsine on our show before explaining this as well. Once you add a team from the state, the cable fees for the entire state go up. awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/adding-usc-and-ucla-could-be-huge-for-big-ten-network.html
@@frictionhitch As for pro competition it is a factor, but I think that's already mostly factored into the school's TV ratings. If there were no Steelers in Pittsburgh than Pitt would obviously draw a lot better. You do have some schools with great ratings despite being in NFL markets, Michigan for example. So it's not a tried and true rule.
@@InsideMarylandSports it's not technically hard, but it might be politically tricky... if the biggest university goes to 4 down football, that's a problem for 3 down football Canada wide
@@christopherhooter1937 Yeah I could see that. What happens to the rest of the schools in Canada? McGill University is also an AAU school which also has a history with football. Maybe you add both, and maybe also one in British Columbia which is near Washington and Oregon.
@InsideMarylandSports It's an intrigung idea, but Canadian college football, even at the big schools, is very "minor league". They're no match for Rutgers, much less Ohio State. You would have to give em time to get up to speed, fast ... as there's an ocean of difference in talent as of now
@InsideMarylandSports also, Canadian universities are not the "spectacle " of big time American universities (w the band, Greek life, devoted fall Saturdays etc). More of a European School vibe. It would be quite a cultural pivot.
Yeah, Like I said in the video, that was a surprise to me also. It's because of the value of getting Texas and also the value of getting an AAU school, which is very important to the Big Ten. The academic consortium makes more money for the schools than the football programs do. It's not 100% required but it would have to be an FSU level team for them to ignore that. But I agree with you, Rice is not happening. You're right, it is an anomaly in the data. Arizona was actually pretty close to the making the top 15 but just missed. The market and footprint hurt them as compared to Texas. NC State doesn't have a very good football history despite being decent right now, and their academics aren't great either. They're certainly not good enough for the Big Ten to take them. Even if UNC tried to force them into a 2 for 1 situation because of their state politics, it wouldn't work. I think the Big Ten would say, "UNC alone or none of you." Virginia Tech is not the program it once was. They basically have a 20 year window of being elite, and then are really poor for their entire history outside of that, including recently. They're also not an AAU school. I view all three of these schools as Big 12 schools eventually, once the ACC implodes.
Remnant conference: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Pitt (or Georgia Tech), Duke, Wake Forest, USF, Tulane, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.
Having been to Northwestern @ Maryland football a few years back it seems like Maryland fans would like to reassemble some of their basketball rivalries so UNC would be a popular add.
I still talk up your stadium concessions -- Crab Tots, Chick fil A, and Flying Dog craft beer. No other B1G school has decent concessions.
Many Maryland fans are resentful of their time in the ACC. They feel like they were treated poorly, like an outcast. Also many are still bitter about the things that were said when Maryland left the ACC. So I think that some of what you say is true, but also I think many Maryland fans are more than happy to watch the ACC teams twisting in the wind right now. I personally don't carry that grudge. I do think that adding UNC and UVA in particular would be very good for Maryland and the Big Ten (though if you saw my previous realignment video, you'll see that I predict they both end up in the SEC). FSU, Clemson and Miami would be good as well for football and TV money, though none of those three were ever really "rivals" of Maryland. I don't think any of the other schools make sense for the Big Ten.
@@InsideMarylandSports Talking to the people from other "new" B1G schools at their stadiums:
PSU - they were independent and the B1G seemed like a good place to be especially with Michigan and tOSU
Nebraska - they HATE Texas and would've stayed in the Big 8 forever had Texas not ruined everything
Rutgers - just happy to be wanted by anyone
Maryland - basketball fans were disappointed with the departure, but understood the money, but football fans seemed happy to get into a football focused conference
Do Maryland alums/fans feel like they are accepted as B1G members? Having no natural rivalries must be strange. As a private school my Northwestern is little strange, but we still have 128 years of history with the original members.
18 teams is crazy, but I think once we get 20 maybe we can break back into 2 sub-conferences that are manageable and retain rivalries.
@@InsideMarylandSports The MD board reeks of apathy in the B1G. No thanks.
@@fecat93 I think there is a range of opinions amongst the Maryland fan base. A small portion are still pining for the old days of the 8 or 9 team ACC. I think a large portion of the fan base were upset when the announcement was first made, but most of them have moved on. I don't think there's anyone left who views it as a bad move anymore. I personally was very happy about it immediately. I had been calling for it to happen for years. Overall I think everyone is really happy to be in the league now, and hoping the recent run of solid football will continue, and possibly move even higher. And clearly everyone is unhappy with basketball at the moment. Maryland has the potential to be a top 10 team every year.
There weren't really any rivals in the ACC either to be honest. Sort of UVA, but their main rival is Virginia Tech. Sort of UNC and Duke, but just because they were so good, and obviously they view each other as their primary rival. In football, Penn State has kind of replaced Duke as the hated team because they've dominated Maryland so much. Rutgers is somewhat of a rival but only really because they're the closest team and both entered at the same time. I wouldn't call it a true rivalry though.
@@tarheel7406 The reason Maryland fans have been apathetic about basketball is not because of the Big Ten. It's because they had a basketball coach for ten years who was perfectly stuck in a spot that was just barely good enough not to get fired, but could never reach levels that would truly excite anyone. And it wore down the fanbase. He was nicknamed Mediocre Mark. The hope is that Kevin Willard can get the team back into national relevance once he gets his own players into the program (which will be the case starting next year, so we will see). I don't think UNC would have any issues with apathy. If they're still top 10 every year, then they'll have no issues.
6. Virginia
5. Miami
4. Texas A&M
3. North Carolina
2. Florida State
1. Notre Dame
Very interesting! Would love to play around with your spreadsheet and see how some other schools graded out.
I can share it with you. Can you share your email?
Here's how I would do it:
(Ditch the Domers because they're never coming)
1. Florida State
2. Miami
3. North Carolina
4. Georgia Tech
5. Clemson
6. Utah
7. Kansas
8. Stanford
9. Colorado
10. South Florida
11. Arizona State
12. Arizona
13. Virginia
14. Pitt
15. Cal
Nice list. My list would have been very similar without using the data. I might have Virginia higher, maybe up to 10. And I do think Notre Dame will eventually cave. If they do, they're #1.
Big 12 will take Louisville & Pitt. North Carolina & Miami if their available. Outside of that, we’re not taking any more teams 🏈
4 teams out of the ACC will find homes in the Big 3 Conferences. The ACC as a Conference is 💀 Dead 💀
I think it will be more than 4 if you're talking SEC, Big Ten and Big 12. FSU, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia are all candidates for the SEC and Big Ten. Louisville, Pitt, Virginia Tech, NC State strong candidates for the Big 12.
There will be no "Big 3". In context, the BIG12 is already dead.
I really love the theme song of this show!! It's one of the best I've ever heard!! Also, great data analytics here... the wildcard was wild indeed!!
Great show guys! Not sure I am convinced on all your picks this time around, but great coverage!
Well it's just based on a formula so I didn't really "pick" them. Some of them were surprising to me also, but that's how the numbers came out.
Re: Baylor - "They're in Texas" They are 90 minutes from any major airport, located in a metropolitan area with under 300k people (smaller than Iowa City MSA), would immediately become the smallest school in the Big Ten, and have 100k fewer living alumni than Northwestern (the current smallest school in the Big Ten).
Using state population is a very poor metric. Baylor is farther from the largest city in Texas (Houston) than College Park is from Philadelphia and Richmond. Also Baylor isn't among the top 10 largest schools in Texas. Utah is the flagship, basically tied for most popular school in a MSA of over 1million people. And Colorado is only 40 minutes away from Denver and Boulder is bigger than Waco.
Many people have criticized how much boost I gave to the Texas schools. So you're probably right about that. State population does matter though in terms of cable fees for the Big Ten Network. There's discussion of this lower in one of the other comments.
Also I do agree that Utah seems like a really great candidate. If I were doing rankings just based on my own perception and not based on the formula, I'd have them much higher.
Political borders don't define markets. That's we we call them markets and not states.
Footprint is the second factor that isn't (correct)data driven.
All time AP is too long. No one cares if you were good in the whenevers.
It matters for The Big Ten Network. In states where the Big Ten has teams they charge about a dollar more per cable customer a month, which there are still about 70 million cable TV households in the US still. The metro area market also matters.
@@InsideMarylandSports The cable companies don't measure markets based on state boundaries.
Example: LA vs Bay Area. They are noth in california.
Your numbers are wrong.
Search for top 100 TV markets in the USA to improve your analysis
@@InsideMarylandSports PS You should include sports market saturation with an emphasis on the NFL.
Example...BAMA
Who is the Big dawg in town? The Steelers or PITT?
Bama or...
@@frictionhitch This is a good article to explains the cable fees. Adding schools in a state increases the fees for BTN for the entire state. It does say that California may be split into North and South in one sentence. But that is the first I've ever heard that. We've had Dave Revsine on our show before explaining this as well. Once you add a team from the state, the cable fees for the entire state go up. awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/adding-usc-and-ucla-could-be-huge-for-big-ten-network.html
@@frictionhitch As for pro competition it is a factor, but I think that's already mostly factored into the school's TV ratings. If there were no Steelers in Pittsburgh than Pitt would obviously draw a lot better. You do have some schools with great ratings despite being in NFL markets, Michigan for example. So it's not a tried and true rule.
The Toronto Wildcard is interesting. Hadn't thought of that
They would have to convert from 3 down football
I don't think converting would be that hard.
@@InsideMarylandSports it's not technically hard, but it might be politically tricky... if the biggest university goes to 4 down football, that's a problem for 3 down football Canada wide
@@christopherhooter1937 Yeah I could see that. What happens to the rest of the schools in Canada? McGill University is also an AAU school which also has a history with football. Maybe you add both, and maybe also one in British Columbia which is near Washington and Oregon.
@InsideMarylandSports It's an intrigung idea, but Canadian college football, even at the big schools, is very "minor league". They're no match for Rutgers, much less Ohio State. You would have to give em time to get up to speed, fast ... as there's an ocean of difference in talent as of now
@InsideMarylandSports also, Canadian universities are not the "spectacle " of big time American universities (w the band, Greek life, devoted fall Saturdays etc). More of a European School vibe.
It would be quite a cultural pivot.
Great take!! Thanks for posting this!! Long live the turtle 🐢 (and protector)...
If you have Rice above Arizona, Virginia Tech, NC State, and Kansas your rubric might be off.
Yeah, Like I said in the video, that was a surprise to me also. It's because of the value of getting Texas and also the value of getting an AAU school, which is very important to the Big Ten. The academic consortium makes more money for the schools than the football programs do. It's not 100% required but it would have to be an FSU level team for them to ignore that. But I agree with you, Rice is not happening. You're right, it is an anomaly in the data.
Arizona was actually pretty close to the making the top 15 but just missed. The market and footprint hurt them as compared to Texas. NC State doesn't have a very good football history despite being decent right now, and their academics aren't great either. They're certainly not good enough for the Big Ten to take them. Even if UNC tried to force them into a 2 for 1 situation because of their state politics, it wouldn't work. I think the Big Ten would say, "UNC alone or none of you." Virginia Tech is not the program it once was. They basically have a 20 year window of being elite, and then are really poor for their entire history outside of that, including recently. They're also not an AAU school. I view all three of these schools as Big 12 schools eventually, once the ACC implodes.