This welder is a very knowledgeable person, he clearly knows his stuff!! All of the questions that I thought of he answered effortlessly. What a genius. I love following your journey and I have learned so much. We have bought a wide beam and are taking copious notes from you, thank you for sharing your experience . We are moored on the river Soar and are total Newbies at this. All the best from the Snow Goose.
A friend who is a steel fabricator ( his own business ) building heavy plant stuff / trailers - bulk tankers, he can't believe seeing this. Stress fractures will happen along the welds as the plates have no formed bend / angle in them, the plates will try to spring back flat away from the edges ( stress fractures ) either through the weld or along the edge of the heat zone from the welding on the old thin side steel.
@@npo1297 truth hurts. I mearley stated I thought that was the root weld, and it was going to be capped off. But my comments and others are deleted because we christmas tree and stack dimes all day long.
That welding and plasma work is no joke, especially with such little ground clearance and in the summer months. Work hard, party hard. You’re going to miss those boys, James.
You are going to miss those guys so much when its time for Sloe Patrol to leave , great memories though and I am sure repeat visits for a barbecue and jam session
I've been a shipyard plater for 40 years and have never seen anything like that.why would doublers be overlapped like that? Plates should always be chamfered and set up as a butt joint. Occasional plug welds should also be made on the bottom flat sections to stop the doublers sagging.if the horrible welding on the Chines start to fracture the whole bottom will start to come away.very lazy work.
On the inland boatyards you often find welders that are totally unqualified, its pretty shocking and there are no standards for repairs at all, most surveyors have no clue about welding and will pass anything that looks OK.
Lots of interesting welding info there James ~ hats 🎩 off to Richard and his tactical tips on a hot summer’s day. The tunnel escapade cracked me up - Boys Overheating - give ‘em a beer, a boat and a tunnel who knows where they’ll end up !🍺🍺🍺 Lazy Days indeed… Love to you All from us down here in Oz
Hi James just a word of caution I have a friend whose main job is overplating boats he's had boats in where the new plates have not been fixed to the Old Hull in enough places this causes the new plates to vibrate when the boat is moving and can fracture the welds along the outside thus causing the plates to detach
For welding outside in a situation like this I'd use a dual shield wire with an Ar/Co2 mix. I don't know why he lapped the plates. He should have ground a bevel and butted them together then welded. Also odd how he fitted the steel... A lot of internal stress in those plates.
Hi James. this was certainly an awe inspiring , informative vlog . I had seen spot welding , on cars etc. but never understood what would be involved with the preparation and work involved in welding Sloe 'P'. Great to watch , even in the early hours !! I am looking forward to seeing Sloe 'P' , in the cut , with you preparing to move down towards London . Keep up the great work !!! Carol x
Hi James ,this blog was so interesting I’m not going to get in any argument do this do that the guy doing the welding should know what he is doing bit scary nothing on his legs or eyes silly man ,what does something like that cost but if it’s needed it has to be done ,was the hole in the bottom just rust on has it sat on something over the years ,,thoroughly enjoyed this blog so till next time take care keep safe,John 🇬🇧🥵🌹👀✅✅🍺🍺🍺🍺
Theoretically, rust needs water and oxygen. Any water getting between the plates would never see any air. Personally, I'd be tempted to screw a few greasing nipples into the inside plate and pressure feed waxoil or similar into the whole sandwich.
James, speaking of plugging the old hole - did a stick of leak stop putty ever make it to you? The Amazon tracking page still says "running late" and nothing more useful. It's not really immediately useful anymore, but it would be nice that they didn't totally lose it in shipping.
You need more welding to do on the side that's welded 10mm min of weld and to me as a welder myself you need to constantly weld as much at once not 100mm / 200mm at a time as I see it now your going to have a leak between the two plates the new one and your floor under it.
With a new shell, they weld both interior and exterior of the floor pan, and use a dye test. You can see the little gaps in this. It will leak, maybe not much but it will leak.
@@terencejay8845 there’s only so much you can do, I suppose. If it were more critical, you could grind 45 degree angles onto the plates and build it back up with weld, bottom up. That’s what they do with industrial stuff when there’s no access from the rear - or sometimes even when there is access, only then it’s 45 degrees from the middle toward both sides. But let’s be real, this is a narrowboat. Firstly, pinhole leaks are pretty well sorted by an automated bilge pump (I assume there’s a system that logs how often it turns on, so you know if there’s a real problem vs just a little condensation here or there). Secondly, as James here has just practically demonstrated, a small progressive leak will usually give you enough time to put the boat on the side for repairs. And thirdly, even if a narrowboat does sink, it typically sinks, like, 2-3 feet or less. *highly* unlikely to kill you, which is always a more important criterion than a boat sinking. Even if it is your home. All in all I suspect this kind of overplating process is good enough for the purpose.
Why don’t they cut away the old hull before welding the new one on? Sorry I’m a aluminum and fiberglass boat guy who only uses runabouts and not houseboats. Also, American, so you know.
This welder is a very knowledgeable person, he clearly knows his stuff!! All of the questions that I thought of he answered effortlessly. What a genius. I love following your journey and I have learned so much. We have bought a wide beam and are taking copious notes from you, thank you for sharing your experience . We are moored on the river Soar and are total Newbies at this. All the best from the Snow Goose.
Really. See the comments that get deleted.
😂
@@markdixon5714 he's acme not asme certified for sure.
I love welding. It's so hot and he's got to wear a mask and hoody. Any spatter goes on his legs. Fair play to him man.
Plasma cutting with no eye protection? I used to be old school too until I lost the sight in one eye.
Uncomfortable to watch.
Thanks that was educational ive been a gonguzaler for yrs and still learning about narrowboats and the welds too 👍👍👍👍
I'm a little bit concerned about this over plating job, normally baseplates are butt welded,never ever have I seen a overlap joint on a baseplate.
A friend who is a steel fabricator ( his own business ) building heavy plant stuff / trailers - bulk tankers, he can't believe seeing this.
Stress fractures will happen along the welds as the plates have no formed bend / angle in them, the plates will try to spring back flat away from the edges ( stress fractures ) either through the weld or along the edge of the heat zone from the welding on the old thin side steel.
My and other comments regarding welding practices have been deleted, why is that.
@@garychamley3095
Oh really, wonder who's done that and why 🤔
Put the boat in a normalisation oven 🤣 and the mig also looks rather small, amps wise !
@@npo1297 truth hurts. I mearley stated I thought that was the root weld, and it was going to be capped off. But my comments and others are deleted because we christmas tree and stack dimes all day long.
@@npo1297 these comments will be purged unlike the welds. 🤔
That welding and plasma work is no joke, especially with such little ground clearance and in the summer months. Work hard, party hard. You’re going to miss those boys, James.
You are going to miss those guys so much when its time for Sloe Patrol to leave , great memories though and I am sure repeat visits for a barbecue and jam session
That’s the beauty of a boat they move. So you can go back for weekend to see your mates 🙂
Nice fire works .
I've been a shipyard plater for 40 years and have never seen anything like that.why would doublers be overlapped like that? Plates should always be chamfered and set up as a butt joint. Occasional plug welds should also be made on the bottom flat sections to stop the doublers sagging.if the horrible welding on the Chines start to fracture the whole bottom will start to come away.very lazy work.
That's how I would do it too!
On the inland boatyards you often find welders that are totally unqualified, its pretty shocking and there are no standards for repairs at all, most surveyors have no clue about welding and will pass anything that looks OK.
Lots of interesting welding info there James ~ hats 🎩 off to Richard and his tactical tips on a hot summer’s day. The tunnel escapade cracked me up - Boys Overheating - give ‘em a beer, a boat and a tunnel who knows where they’ll end up !🍺🍺🍺 Lazy Days indeed… Love to you All from us down here in Oz
Lovely work on your new steel bottom.
And then, middle-aged men misbehaving! Very funny.
Hi James just a word of caution I have a friend whose main job is overplating boats he's had boats in where the new plates have not been fixed to the Old Hull in enough places this causes the new plates to vibrate when the boat is moving and can fracture the welds along the outside thus causing the plates to detach
I'm a little curious about the overlap joints normally you would bevel the plates and route and cap the joints tying the old baseplate to the new one,
Also those plate should have been folded as well as now they will be constantly under pressure.
For welding outside in a situation like this I'd use a dual shield wire with an Ar/Co2 mix.
I don't know why he lapped the plates. He should have ground a bevel and butted them together then welded.
Also odd how he fitted the steel... A lot of internal stress in those plates.
Hi James. this was certainly an awe inspiring , informative vlog . I had seen spot welding , on cars etc. but never understood what would be involved with the preparation and work involved in welding Sloe 'P'. Great to watch , even in the early hours !! I am looking forward to seeing Sloe 'P' , in the cut , with you preparing to move down towards London . Keep up the great work !!! Carol x
Looking forward to seeing Sloe Patrol back in the water!
Quick Q: is the pitting along the bottom edge of the sides not a problem, given all the effort on the base plate?
Also those plates should have been folded at 10 or 15 degrees then offered up, so they would not be under tension.
Nothing quite like messing about on a boat !
Hi James ,this blog was so interesting I’m not going to get in any argument do this do that the guy doing the welding should know what he is doing bit scary nothing on his legs or eyes silly man ,what does something like that cost but if it’s needed it has to be done ,was the hole in the bottom just rust on has it sat on something over the years ,,thoroughly enjoyed this blog so till next time take care keep safe,John 🇬🇧🥵🌹👀✅✅🍺🍺🍺🍺
Theoretically, rust needs water and oxygen. Any water getting between the plates would never see any air.
Personally, I'd be tempted to screw a few greasing nipples into the inside plate and pressure feed waxoil or similar into the whole sandwich.
James. Great job the welders are doing. There a credit.
tell more about the short narrowboat!!!
New plates should have been plug welded at least along the centre line , now they will just be sagging off .
Hi James, I’m sure you said you’d b there today - no post tho (unusual) - hope all’s well - I may have misheard 🍄
It’s a safe bet to say that Richard doesn’t have to go looking for work…. work comes looking for Richard.😉
Lots of progress being made with the welding
Did you repair the bottom of the boat first, to prevent internal water getting between the skins?👍
Yes he welded a little patch over the hole👍
@@johnneal7832 yet you've allowed cavities between the plate's
@@johnneal7832 those plates should have been folded prior to fitting all you've done is pulled the plate's under tension.
Very interesting. Now that you have a double wall hull maybe you can carry hazardous chemicals, something from Carol maybe.
What do you have in mind ? I think that more booze would be appreciated , by all involved in making this vlog.
@@carolbennett8508 More booze is always better! Technically the boat has to be in the water to be carrying it.
@@pauliethetree8129 the order is on hold , so after your comment , I will wait until Sloe P is back on the cut . thanks Carol
The Narrowboat that James built
Hi,
How much does it cost to have a base over plated?
Also how much was the steel sheets?
James, speaking of plugging the old hole - did a stick of leak stop putty ever make it to you? The Amazon tracking page still says "running late" and nothing more useful. It's not really immediately useful anymore, but it would be nice that they didn't totally lose it in shipping.
I got I mate - I’m hoping to never use it - thanks pal
Looks good, does the inch or so over hang where the new plate has been welded on stay there ?
Yep. It’s basically a last ditch crumple zone slash bumper.
@@JasperJanssen cheers
Prayers alone.
You need more welding to do on the side that's welded 10mm min of weld and to me as a welder myself you need to constantly weld as much at once not 100mm / 200mm at a time as I see it now your going to have a leak between the two plates the new one and your floor under it.
With a new shell, they weld both interior and exterior of the floor pan, and use a dye test. You can see the little gaps in this. It will leak, maybe not much but it will leak.
Don't mention asme 6g they delete posts.
Don't mention dye pen testing.
@@terencejay8845 wtf.
@@terencejay8845 there’s only so much you can do, I suppose. If it were more critical, you could grind 45 degree angles onto the plates and build it back up with weld, bottom up. That’s what they do with industrial stuff when there’s no access from the rear - or sometimes even when there is access, only then it’s 45 degrees from the middle toward both sides. But let’s be real, this is a narrowboat. Firstly, pinhole leaks are pretty well sorted by an automated bilge pump (I assume there’s a system that logs how often it turns on, so you know if there’s a real problem vs just a little condensation here or there). Secondly, as James here has just practically demonstrated, a small progressive leak will usually give you enough time to put the boat on the side for repairs. And thirdly, even if a narrowboat does sink, it typically sinks, like, 2-3 feet or less. *highly* unlikely to kill you, which is always a more important criterion than a boat sinking. Even if it is your home.
All in all I suspect this kind of overplating process is good enough for the purpose.
Looks like y’all were having a great time lol
Why don’t they cut away the old hull before welding the new one on? Sorry I’m a aluminum and fiberglass boat guy who only uses runabouts and not houseboats. Also, American, so you know.
haha 😆 you yanks love from Oz
James has most of the interior installed, it would set the wood on fire if they cut the old hull off
Not to mention this isn't a performance hull; there's no harm in a little extra ballast.(actually James needed the extra ballast)
How much to replate..... X
Can I have your space when you move :)
good vid
have i missed something? been watching through a lot of these video but not neccersarily in the right order, i thought the hull survey was ok??
The surveyor could not access the full underside and didn't see some deep pitting.
What a pity you will get demonetised again for this video. Every little bit helps mate.
Why is he getting demonetized? Copyrighted music here or ther?
You can't weld paint, mill scale or rust.
Fact!