@omardemedina6300There's No Such thing as Foundational Black Americans.So Called Black Americans are The Original Peoples Of America and Aborigine American Indians.
@omardemedina6300 RECIEPTS/physical evidence bring It !? Your blood🩸quantum is between 70-87% infected with you colonizer daddy’s, which makes them their bastardized babies, the ones tht fleed here identification states ✋🏻! Their racist against the True INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of the CARRIBEANS, the play Cast System supremacy on them, in their OWN country, 🙏🏾TMH 🙏🏾
@omardemedina6300 NO.... IM NOT TALKING ABOUT NATIVE AMERICAN, I SAID BLACK INDIGENOUS.... THATS 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.... EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT.... BUT THE BLACK INDIGENOUS WAS DEFINITELY ALLIES WITH THE SEMINOLES, BRASS ANKLES & CHEROKEE NATIONS ..... RESEARCH THE WORD INDIGENOUS... NOT NATIVE AMERICAN.... PUERTO RICANS CAME TO NYC IN 1945 ..... Y'ALL WASN'T AROUND IN THE 1500s, 1600s & 1700s WHEN THE BLVCKS WAS WARRING WITH THE COLONIZERS.... DO YOU SPEAK THE ARAWAK OR TAINO LANGUAGE ???? NO PUERTO RICAN DOES....
so the immigrants elders are telling the truth about they were imitating FBA CULTURE now to show their children who really influenced their fore fathers culture so they can show some respect to the trend setters of the world who are FBA!
Not ONLY THT… But,! They reteaching something they should Never Loss… RESPECT! (IRee), for the,the ones Who cut the path from the wicked jungle & bush, tht the way Will made clear! To be known as …HONORABLE MEN..!
The Foundation and the DNA of Hip Hop go way back to every other form of music created by African Americans, Field holler, negro spirituals, Ragtime, gospel, the blues, Soul, funk, rock, R&B. End of story.
Busta has always been a clown... He has been cosplaying as FBA (Foundational BLK Americans) ... A lot of NYC ninjas are tethers cosplaying as FBA and We should have checked their B.S. years ago. ... Nuff said. FBA 💯.
yet the originator of hip hop is Jamaican, the two turn tables is a Jamaican thing and the art of emceeing comes from Jamaica, yet it's a Black American thing that started in the Bronx which has the largest community of Jamaicans outside of Jamaica somebody explain to me how that works
Then why did it not happen on Jamaican shores? The cultural movement is FBA. The fact remains that they had to be here under our musical and cultural influences for any of this to happen. Otherwise, it should have begun off shore, but it did not. Stop trying to steal.
Who cares? Who actually cares who invented hip hop the entire black diaspora sat back and let hip-hop turn into what we have now. As far as I'm concerned if Jamaicans wanna claim rap NOW??? let em.
A lot of Famous Rappers know better. They just play peekaboo with this shit. Open your mouth and say what it is Man!!!. Hiphop is BLACK CULTURE and EVERYBODY else a guest!!!
so the people who started this said they got their influence from Jamaica yet you argue against that first the knowledge hip hop started in the Bronx late 60s early 70s by a Jamaican in the Bronx which had the largest percentage of Jamaicans outside of Jamaica at the time also the Bronx is puerto rico in new york yet you think to two largest groups in the Bronx had nothing to do with the origin of a genre that came out of the Bronx your stupid.
Nope.. black and puerto Ricans in the Bronx. We used to say if you're not from the BX, now I just say if you're not from NYC, YOU ARE A GUEST IN HIP HOP..
dlmarh76 Deflection we talking music😂 Booker T Washington inspired Garvey, also Jamaican sold Garvey out...now yall wanna claim him when Black Americans made him😂 yall some sad ppl, crying and rolling on the floor when the Queen died😂😂
@dlmarh76 I got love 4 Garvey but his goofy ass would of never convinced me to take no trip to Africa especially if he couldn't convince you Jamaicans to do it. We gave Garvey money and he fumbled the bag and died in Africa. Don't ever compare him to James Brown. Black Americans live James Brown and he was Richer than Garvey and ain't have to beg for it
Reggae got it's sound cause the American broadcast would be choppy coming over the airwave, also most of rap was an off shoot of the conscious spoken word raps going on during the Black Revolution of the 60's and 70's, the rhythmic dissin' aspect of it came from the dozens an integral part of FBA culture aka da art of Snappin' Plus Busta was buggin' on the cadence deal, we had cadence from da church to da chain gang that originated in slavery, so what the hell he's talking bout Jamaican's teaching FBA's cadence🤦🏿♂
Burh definitely on point he doesn't realize that hip hop music came outta slave shout songs, we singing these song from the cotton fields alway to the Civil Right movement.
Now why Busta gone sit up there and tell a bold-face lie like that?? Smh… 🤯 And you see they can’t go back and change the video documentation of the “ole skool” paying homage to US blacks.
Spirituals, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements or ingredients of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above? Yet then, all of a sudden--and out of nowhere, lying latinos and jamaicans slither along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans and jamaicans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---which are claims that latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos, puerto ricans and jamaicans.
When you have a rep of Not creating anything, and all you known was the 5 finga discount growing up… wht you gonna do, everybody wants to be known for something. Dam shame thou, now they go into the books with the same M.O. BREAKING ( and I don’t mean breakdancing) & ENTERING! The Community finds them GUILTY! Sentence to a (*)Asterik next to any mention of their claims or presences near lil HIPHOP OUR babyboy!! Kidnapping is a serious crime 🐝itches !!
Their elders is telling the truth, they had no agenda back then, like they do now. Toasting ain't rhyming, even raegae was inspired by black American music.
@@boepaynepill318NOBODY in the US not from Jamaica knew wtf Jamaican toasting was when hip hop started. You seem confused that Jamaicans were even practicing Jamaican culture anywhere near hip hop in the 70’s. You didn’t live that era so you make doofy statements about it. There was no hatred between FBA and Jamaican then. Just two very distinct cultures that did things their own way. Very few in early hip hop and they acted American if so
Like I tell people if Busta rhymes is keeping it real why in 2022 that we're finding out your Jamaican now so if you created hip hop why wasn't you proud of your Jamaican heritage in the early 90s when you was first coming out you was acting like a black American so that's one riddle right there where is your Jamaican Tupac Jamaican LL Cool j Jamaican rakim
@@conradmurry You wish you was a runner. Probably got a felony and cant leave your state. You people was singing nursery rhymes on batty boy disco music and then the jamaicans brought the bass and swagger. Therefore they heavily influenced it
@@sasherful how did y'all bring base to music when James Brown already had the Baseline covered and that's before civil rights so how did y'all influence anything even your biggest stars like Bob Marley says American blacks influenced him
@@sasherful and I'm going to give you some more toughener why was Busta Rhyme pretending to believe a black American this whole time we're not finding out he's Jamaican until 2021 so if he so proud in there made stuff in that culture why he's pretending to be something else
They are use to slum culture. Our women created twerking, but it was far more classy than the nonsense of today. The Caribbeans brought gutter culture with them.
Puerto Ricans contribution to Hip Hop began and ended with breakdancing, Foundational Black Americans kept evolving the music and as the music changed so must the dances too go with that music and Puerto Ricans didn't keep up, why? Because this is what we do every generation, the kids don't want to listen to their parents old music and dances and they make their own, which is what we are good at, and that is why Puerto Ricans got stuck at breakdancing.
Its like YOUR son coming to me telling me HIS people created this phenomenon of entertainment. Then i listen to YOUR elders tell me that THEY actually got this from MY culture (with proof}
Not really reggae kind of been out since maybe the mid to late 60's since I recollect hearing it (Not much) in the mid to late 60's growing up in the Neck in the Bronx It just took off more under Marley and others that came out in the 70's as far as in the USA But as far as the music itself, it's been around for as long as Jamaica had access to American airwaves, choppy airwaves initiated it's style
Americans did not like Jamaican or foreign music in the past, so the American Music Industry did not promote it. Bob Marley was the only one who made the top 10 here. Reggae was not widely accepted here in the 30s to mid 90s.
Blk Americans created hip hop , rap, jazz, country, pop, gospel, rock, r&b etc.... blues= in which is wear reggae come from 😅 but we don't try to claim it as our own. Hip hop was already in America even tho hip hop first showed itself in the 40s in America, James Brown should get most of the credit he was the one who really pushed that type of sound and made it a sign of blk empowerment. Funk music is the base of what hip-hop derived from . The beats, the rhyming over a up tempo Kool beat, the style the jewelry, the flashiness, the dancing, speaking and rhyming about social issues. James Brown literally the g.o.a.t of 3 different genres almost, soul music, funk music, hip hop= James Brown was a mc before anyone made that term popular, he was the 1 rockin the crowd, selling out shows, being played at block party's and cookouts!! All Kool herc did was come to america assimilated himself to the culture that was already here and rode the bandwagon of something that was already the wave/the movement. They'res nothing based in Jamaican culture that show itself in the start of hip hop. But blk American based music like funk music, blues and soul shows itself in hip hop from the start!! And Kool herc got his name and identity in America, while playing basketball an American sport,while playing with blk Americans!! Literally America made Kool herc, he was literally playing American music, James Brown music. Not Jamaican music
@@dlmarh76Yet he is on your mind in matters not involving him and you think about him sexually when his name has nothing to do with things. Pac’s lil gay bird is what you are.
Hip Hop was Created by the Foundational Black American 's Period. Suggestions of Movies: Wild Style, Breakin, and Beat Street( produced by the honorable, and late, and great Mr. Harry Belafonte).
Its bad enough the Democrats have taken all the Civil Rights we marched and fought and died for and given it away to everyone else today, but they had to take Hip Hop as well. Damn !!!!
Another thing I would like to add is the fact that DJing and DJ culture was started by white people yet nobody credits white people for any of the elements of Hip Hop. This is a double standard and it proves that you cannot keep that tracing to only give credit to the ones who inspired the creation of something in order to discredit the creators of something why do FBA promoters consistently do this where they see that somebody was inspired by another group of people using their slang Etc to completely discredit and take them out of the picture altogether. When we want to talk about slang why is it Italian Americans which are very influential in streets playing in New York when it comes to for example nah instead of no cuz instead of cousin what's up things like that all come from Italian slang. Yet you're coming for a Jamaican man for using American slang when in reality this topic all together is irrelevant. It doesn't really help your argument considering the fact that we're talking about hip hop culture which is a culture that started in the Bronx where the majority of black people are afro Caribbean or Latino this is a fact that's proven by demographics this has nothing to do with opinion this doesn't mean that I believe Hip Hop was started in Jamaica hip hop started here in America by afro-caribbean Latinos and it's just Google like there's no wayI. Remember about the point of a question we're asking a specific question who started hip hop not who inspired Hip Hop. Hip Hop was started by a Jamaican born DJ that's a fact the participants were of African Latino and FBA backgrounds that's also a fact a culture is created by a community that's also a fact the community of the South Bronx is the community where it started another fact.
@MainCPUwon The funny thing is that your response is exactly the same kind of response. I would've got even if you provided information. Just a bunch of Baboonery
@@juxx8889 Flash didn't bring nothing from the Caribbean to Hip-hop he was copying what Black Americans were already doing bruh. That style of music was not from the Caribbean it's all mixed Funk and Soul breaks and Disco DJs like Grandmaster Flowers and Disco King Mario were doing that before him and herc. A matter of fact flash was an infant when his parents immigrated from the Caribbean to NYC. Everything about him from the music he was Mixing the slang he was using and the style of dress he was wearing was Black American lol.
Damn y’all even The Great DJ Herc said that he took Black American music instrumentals or breaks which is what he got the people on the dance floor with while the FIRST HIP HOP MC was Coke LaRock and so so if you wanna say Jamaican and Black American Cultures started hip hop then that’s is more correct
My friend as a Jamaican I always saw HIP HOP as a shared experience and a huge collaboration between Black Jamaicans and Black Americans... That was already established and a done deal on the East Coast. I really don't understand how people could doubt huge weight of influence Jamaicans carried in NYC when dominant was so pronounced in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Most of these people who are talk so far away from NEW YORK LIFEand really don't understand the inner workings of this thing called HIP HOP. All I see happening is a REWRITE of HISTORY by Black intellectuals from the South, spread the divided mindset about FBA. Stop that, Black Jamaicans and Black Americans have been collaborating from before the 1920s. Hail to the Honourable MARCUS GARVEY.... Bless Up 🙏🏾
@@123kjaahAs a Black American, Black southerners have a right to enter this conversation because several of the most important elements of hip hop originated with Black Southerners, not folks from NYC. It's called protecting our cultural musical traditions. Many of you Caribbeans are flat out ignorant of Black American musical cultural traditions. You know very little of our traditions. Black Americans have an extensive poetic oral folklore tradition, a signifying culture, and a rap culture spanning centuries before that damn hip hop in NYC. We didn't need any of you Jamaicans to know how to rhyme over a beat. Ok. Also, James Brown was from South Carolina and invented the breakbeat. James Brown was heavily played and sampled in early hip hop. He was from the South! No way in heck you Jamaican folks in NYC going to tell Black folks in the South to not say anything about the origins of hip hop when it has the South written all over it. You sound crazy as 😺 💩.
@@123kjaahAnd no! We haven't been collaborative with you Jamaicans since the 1920's. You were never a significant population in the USA prior to 1965. You were limited to certain cities in the USA and were an extreme minority prior to 1965. Most of us never knew a Jamaican nor lived around a Jamaican prior to 1965 because you didn't exist or live where most of us lived! You weren't in the Midwest. You weren't in Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc ...we didn't live around y'all or know any of y'all. So, stop lying about your presence when there is actually statistics showing proof that you were not in the USA in great numbers prior to 1965 and were not around most Black Americans either prior. In fact, I know Black Americans today who have never met or lived around any Africans or Caribbeans. Because we live all over the USA including the South in places you folks never travel or live. So, stop. All of the USA isn't NYC.😂😂😂
The fba did nothing with breakdancing.You stopped in the late 70s. They quit and stopped now want more recognition because its going to olympics i guess. now after 50 years. Now they come out of no where. We been throwing jams still repping the culture all these years. We didn't give up on it.we didn't create hip hop but breakdancing is Latinos Puerto Rican's contribition to hip hop. We still have reuinion events. 50 years.
Saying Jamaicans created hip hop. Is like saying Puerto Ricans created reggaeton. 😂😂 Since when are Africans, Jamaicans, Haitians, and Blacks different? We are all Black!
I believe an American born with a Jamaican parent has a claim on Hip Hop, as they are also part of the culture. If we're going to play that game we can't claim Malcolm X or Louis Farrakhan as they are both American-Caribbean.
Okay. Jamaican American here. Born in Sound View. Moved to Jamaica as a kid. Came back in '76. Lived on the Grand Concourse till '92. I don't know what da fuck Busta talking about. Hip-hop did not come out of Jamaica. I don't know why he's saying that. I watched as this thing we call Hip-hop evolved. I disagree with the whole 50th anniversary thing for several reasons. #1: we never called it Hip-hop till it became commercialized in the 80's. #2: It evolved over a period of time from the mid 70's to the late 70's. Some people want to push it back to '73..... I'll say this. It wasn't till the late 70's 78, or '79 that all the pieces came together meaning, you had extending the beats as well as the role of the MC which became rapping. I don't remember if scratching came in in 79 or the early 80's though. You know what, I'm gonna say that was the 80's because I remember all those songs on Sugar Hill label, Enjoy, Curtis Blow. I don't remember scratching. But one thing is for sure, rapping was a late addition. The DJ was the most important person, not the MC. It wasn't till things really got commercial that it flipped and the rapper was front and center. Reason being, they were a lot easier to market. Now. What the Jamaican contribution is isn't in any music from Jamaica, it's not from Toasting. Kool Herc didn't put curry goat and rice and peas in the music. He was spinning AMERICAN music for American and Americanized kids in The Bronx. Americanized meaning American born West Indians or immigrants who came here when they were young who assimilated to living in the urban environment of the Bronx. Puerto Ricans who were born here sometimes already been here 3 generations, as well as kids who came up from PR and assimilated to an Urban environment. And of course, African Americans who either moved up here from the south or their parents or grand parents moved here from the south and they assimilated to the urban environment of The Bronx. What Herc did was he took old American music, Funk, Soul, Jazz, Rock and Roll, anything that sounded good and recycled it. What was different was what he did with the music. He didn't play songs straight through. He cut sections up and stitched them together to make a new sound. He looked particularly for songs that had percussion brakes for the dancers to get down to. This was something new and created a divergence from typical DJ style and that evolved into something new. He took the American music he played in a different creating music OUT OF MUSIC. It's this principle that set this new music apart. Just consider how revolutionary scratching was. They literally took records and turned them into a musical instrument. That's WILD and was such a game changer t made people's heads explode! So that's the Jamaican element.It's not in any culture from Jamaica. It's that a Jamaican took American party music in a different direction that evolved into something that later came to be called Hip-hop. PUERTO RICANS: They were there from the beginning. There were Puerto Rican DJs, dancers, graffiti writers, event promoters the whole 9. So, yes.They're a part of it. Not always the most visible in terms of large numbers of DJs or MCs. But they did a lot behind the scenes helping to push that music out there and get it national attention. A lot of the brake beats used AfroCuban percussions and even Puerto Rican percussionists. That has more to do with the over all influences that Puerto Ricans and Cubans had on American music in general. So yes. Hip-hop was born out of the collaborative efforts of AfroAmericans, West Indians, (because Flash perfected what Herc started and added other Dj innovations) and Puerto Ricans. Call it Black culture if you want to, I don't care really.The fact of the matter is that all 3 groups had a hand in creating something new that rocked the World forever! That's powerful when you consider the fact that the powers that be considered all of us garbage with no value. But those ni&&rs and spike did something that changed the World and that is the message we need to be passing on to the younger generation. Hip-hop is a testament to the fact that even when the whole world tells you you ain't shit, you still have the most powerful tool on the planet. The human mind and spirit. Being born in a ghetto don't change that. We need to be helping our kids tap into the power they have inside of them that created something like Hip-hop. Okay. Imma land the plane now. With regards to Jamaican popular music. Yes. Back in the 50's we listened to American music tough. But guess what. So did the whole damn World. The English, the French, the Russians, everyone. The whole World was listening to American music from back in the 1900's and 20's. We weren't any different than anyone else. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that we didn't have our own popular and folk music. We did and we still do. Our music is Mento. It's a Jamaican form of Calypso for want of a better term. Ska is not an imitation of American music. It's a modernization of traditional Jamaican music. Instead of playing traditional acoustic instruments, we played electric guitar etc which was borrowed from Americans. But that steady back beat 1 and 2 and 3 and 4. That's a Mento guitar pattern. All they did was slow it down a bit. Then by the late 60's they slowed it down a little more and it became Rock Steady. And when they slowed it down even further, it became Reggae. I remember when I got to Jamaica as a kid the song that was burning up the radio was Cherry O Baby. ua-cam.com/video/EXr2RhdVF3Q/v-deo.html This is Jamaican through and through. That's our native spirit and feeling. There's nothing American about it. Now did we also listen to American music? Of course we did. We can pick up radio stations from Cuba and the USA. But we still have our own music and it continued to evolve into Dance Hall. But in addition to that, we still have our folk music with the raw pure African roots. And just like with Ska, this is the backbone for a lot of Dance Hall music. This was long, but hope it cleared things up for a lot f folks.
There are no elements in hip hop originating with Jamaicans or Latinos culturally at all. Furthermore, Black Americans already had a drumming culture. We didn't need Afro Cubans teaching us drumming culture. Next, those breakbeats came from James Brown and his drummer Clyde. And it doesn't have an Afro Cuban feel at all. It's funk drumming. Sit down somewhere please.
@@jacklyneverage3881 I know my post is long, but if you carefully re-read it, it answered the statement of your first sentence in great detail. Now, #1: "Furthermore, Black Americans already had a drumming culture. We didn't need Afro Cubans teaching us drumming culture. " No one is denying that African Americans have a culture or that they brought anything to the table. Once again, a careful read of my comment addresses this fact. However, you have to understand that all of the cultures on this side of the Atlantic were born out of cross cultural diffusion. American, Caribbean and Latin American. All are the result of a blending of Native, European and African contributions. For example, Negro Spirituals are a combination of European Protestant gyms and African intonations. Jazz was born in New Orleans out of European marching band music and an AfroAmerican /Creole interpretation that's African in origin. New Orleans has a long history of cultural connection to Haiti and Cuba because it kept changing hands between Spain and France. This is why certain percussion patterns survived there, which brings me to the issue of the drums. AfroAmericans lost the tradition of the drums because they were prohibited. This is well documented fact any musician can tell you this. However, in New Orleans, they channeled their rhythms in the way they played musical chords and with the introduction of marching band drums, they were able to put their own twist on it. But the tradition of the drums didn't survive like it did in the Caribbean. In the 40's and 50's AfroAmericans and Cubans and Puerto Ricans in New York started collaborating with each other. This led to the Mambo craze that became a World Wide phenomenon. Quincy Jones and other AfroAmericans were regulars at clubs like The Palladium and it's in the 60's that we see congas and bongos introduced into AfroAmerican music. ua-cam.com/video/rcGnaiXcsaA/v-deo.html #2: "Next, those breakbeats came from James Brown and his drummer Clyde. And it doesn't have an Afro Cuban feel at all. It's funk drumming. Sit down somewhere please." What you don't know, because you're too young, is that James Brown, while important, was not the only musician they sampled. Most of the brake beats isn't come from James Brown. For example Apache was from a white band that did a remake of a song by a British band in the 50's called The Shadows. They added the percussion to it and the drummer was a Bahamian. The Mexican is from a Rock Band, not James Brown. All American bands starting from the 60's had incorporated congas and Cuban and Puerto Rican rhythms. It's now just a standard part of most bands World wide. But to return to James Brown, he did incorporate Latin percussions in several of his songs. He was an artist, not a racist and he moved like an artist and had the mentality of an artist. ua-cam.com/video/pxuYxeAguB4/v-deo.html Now, one of the James Brown songs containing a brake beat where he used an Afro Cuban rhythm: First 47 second are pure Cuban percussion: ua-cam.com/video/oL4UUN7wPi0/v-deo.html We got to change, First 27 seconds is pure Cuban percussion:ua-cam.com/video/oL4UUN7wPi0/v-deo.html There you have it facts backed up with evidence
@TRUTHTEACHER2007. That was complete and thorough. I hope others take the time to read your text, take in your words and digest it. As a Jamerican who came here in 1972 at the age of 8 and grew up in the Northeast Bronx went to H.S ( Truman) with Rahiem from Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. I was down since day one. Got my first taste of the culture in '76 initially from breakers and the DJ. Grew up near P.S. 78 where DJ Breakout used to spin. MCs weren't even out yet. They came later. I respect and agree with all you said. This whole culture is organic with contributions from American and West Indian Blacks. If you grew up in the Bronx you know Puerto Ricans contributed to this culture. In my area their strengths were graffiti , breaking and DJing because that's what I saw with my own eyes. We all grew up around each other so of course we're gonna share the same passion for what's around us and bond.
@@firsteyebeats2617 Because other things were starting there. Do you know how creations with a local environment work? Why didn't the Canadian who invented basketball not invent it in Canada as opposed to the USA?
You have to learn the difference between a Creator and an inspiration these are two different things. Every Creator was inspired by people or elements outside his or her own culture to create something new this doesn't negate the fact that the creator has an origin that's identifiable that's different than that of the origin of the person who inspired him. One of the most notable elements of jazz is the use of the saxophone which was an instrument invented by a white person but it does not mean that white people invented jazz. Jazz has a lot of European derived musical elements as well but that does not mean that Europeans started Jazz because it started in america. With the exception of jazz every other black American genre like rock Disco country Blues Etc are derivatives of European music yet Europeans did not start all those genres black African Americans did didn't they so that means that just because the elements of Hip Hop we're heavily inspired by African Americans does not mean that it was solely an African-American creation considering that a lot of the Pioneers were not African-American.
Vlad is still telling them lies too, he has a new video out with ares spears. He tried to pull ares spears into his lies but ares didn't go with his lies. Ares spears is cool
White folks as a collective are a bunch of insidious manipulative compulsive liars, that's how they survive and most of what they gained is through distorting the truth, along with Liberal White's being the most deceptive of the group
The stooges join the "Women Haters" club and vow to have nothing to do with the fair sex. Larry marries a girl anyway and attempts to hide the fact from Moe and Curly as they take a train trip. 1934, straight bars! 🔥 The Three Stooges are real pioneers of rap!
If youre not from NYC, shhhhhhhhh, husshhhhhh... not from NYC youre a guest in the culture. Why the slaves on the foundation fighting, arguing, dividing, about who put in the most work or who planted the 1st cotton seed on the plantation instead of talking about how to get the plantation back and OWN IT... sad
There are several things to tackle here. First of all you mentioned a lot of facts in this video that do not help your argument at all while they may be true it does not change the fact of the matter. You have selective information gathering which shows that your biased and you are only accommodating what you prefer to believe. For instance there are many videos of people mentioning that there were Latinos participating in hip hop from the very beginning from Panamanian to Puerto Rican Etc. Just because somebody is black does not mean they are not Latino and just because they don't speak Spanish also does not mean that they are not Latino Latino simply means you're from a Latin American country or any country in the Americas where one of the three romance languages is spoken. Which means one of the main components of Hip Hop witches breakdancing is inherently Latino within 90% of its movements being from capoeira which is a Brazilian martial arts which predates FBA culture altogether. Wild thought is modern graffiti cornbread did not influence wild style and no graffiti artist emulated cornbread therefore we have to look at the beginning of wild style in New York City which had many Latino graffiti artists. One guy in this video said that there were no Latinos in the beginning because he had one experience but there are many others who had a different experience especially the ghetto Brothers one of the most feared gangs in New York City. A strange fact that most people don't bring up is the fact that Bronx game culture is the father of Hip Hop culture in the sense that one has to stop for the other to be dominant. All of the gang leaders of the Bronx became hip-hop dancers DJ's promoters graffiti artists etc. And if you look at all the footage you'll realize that the majority of the Bronx games were Latino so how could the statement that there were no Latinos be possibly true? It would make absolutely no sense because the end of Bronx gang culture means the beginning of Hip Hop culture because hip hop culture started to provide an alternative to gang violence in the Bronx. This does not mean that the elements of Hip Hop started because Bronx and culture was ending that's not what I'm saying I'm only saying that the culture itself was called cultivated and made popular as a better alternative to the violent ways of the Bronx gangs which again worth majority Latino and afro-caribbean. Don't believe me then why is Africa Bamba who used to be the leader of the black Spades who is a founding father of Hip Hop and afro Caribbean himself.
@@litebeingimmortal7375 as well as the immigrants there, so keep coping. Meanwhile, the Nigerians have showed you that it's possible to be educated in the USA as a black person and not having to reply on hooping and hip-hopping. :)
You shouldn’t broadcast things you don’t understand. The examples of Jamaican saying they were influenced by American music was obviously not hip hop. That was Jamaican blues or jazz from 50-70 era where they were re singing American jazz and blues song. That wasn’t a secret there was a specific demographic of people who liked listening to American songs remixed with a Jamaican sound. That’s not where reggae and hip hop came from. It’s not even a similar time era. Hip hop was created in New York by Jamaicans.
Bullshit! All that are came much later. Jamaicans copied our blues, jazz, rock, soul, funk, disco, gospel and country. Jamaica didn't have it's first international recording artist until the mid 60s. She had a song called " My guy lollipop " and it was actually a cover song of an American artist. Jamaica didn't get it's first music based radio station until the mid 1950s. They didn't have their first recording studios until the 1950s. The only music they has of their own prior to the 50s was called Mento and no one but them listened to it. Jamaicans had been listening to Black American artists being broadcast into their country for 25 or 30 years before they got their own station. Ska, reggae, rock steady, dancehall and dub step didn't exist until the late 50s if you're talking about Ska and the rest came in the 60s. How can a people with no genres, no artists, no facilities to make music influence a people who had international stars 40 years before they had the capacity to do so?
@@castortroy5205 So am I! All of the elements it took to make hip hop are from Black Americans. All of the music being sampled came from Black American genres. Black Americans invented rapping/toasting, break dancing, scratching, beat box, the slang and all of the fashions regarded as hip hop. If Jamaicans had invented hip hop/rap then why were there no Jamaican artists being sampled? Who invents something then leave out their own culture?
@@TheGuest954 Jamaica was a poor country with talent people. They didn't live in a country like yours where those in power gave you something to work with. Nigerians are showing you guys who to make use of opportunities in your own land. They have SURPASSED you in wealth and education. Given the same opportunities as other black people, FBAs have quickly found out that they are not 'a superior race'.
@dlmarh76 What in the hell are you talking about, gave us? Our people worked almost 260 years without pay. Out women were raped and our family members sold and tortured. Our communities that we built after slavery were bombed, burned, and flooded by racist Whites called the Ku Klux Klan. Our people were lynched and suffered a genocide. Unlike like your people, we were a minority in our country and fought to make the changes that not only benefited us but also opened the doors for you to come here. We didn't lay down like your people did and allow a small group of Europeans and Asians to take over our country. Your people were free long before ours and again were the majority and still couldn't accomplish what ours did here. We are the most successful Black people on the planet because we fought to change our situation and didn't flee.
They tried to copy soul and blues and created some new. That new thing they created they also used to create something else hip hop. They created hip hop. The first to start it was Jamaican. The video saying that lol.
There's A Difference between R&B influencing Ska. And Jamaican Dancehall influencing Hip Hop. Hip Hop Originated from Jamaicans, Don't Hate We're All The Same Black People
If hip hop started out 50/50 with Puerto Ricans and black, where is room for Jamaicans? Another question, If hip hop started out 50/50 Rican and blacks, how did blacks end up dominating the culture?? How, please answer. 😅😅😅
Hip Hop was absolutely created by Black American Freedmen
Cope.
@@dlmarh76 wutchu mean cope. He didn't tell no lies. They are the culture.
hip hop was created by Jamaicans and puerto ricans in the bronx
@@lockellegend5507Stop Trolling teather.
@@lockellegend5507what did they create 🤣
😂 man everyone want to be a black American until it’s time to speak up for black Americans
Facts!! Jamaican artist saying they copied Americans.
the influence was rnb n jazz from the 30s n 40s
💎💎💎💎💎💎💎 #WARLORD: #IRONSHEIKH: **INDIGENOUS FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICANS GOTTA GATE KEEP ALL OF OUR CREATIONS !!!**
BULLshit bro, stop tring to steal
@omardemedina6300There's No Such thing as Foundational Black Americans.So Called Black Americans are The Original Peoples Of America and Aborigine American Indians.
@omardemedina6300 RECIEPTS/physical evidence bring It !? Your blood🩸quantum is between 70-87% infected with you colonizer daddy’s, which makes them their bastardized babies, the ones tht fleed here identification states ✋🏻! Their racist against the True INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of the CARRIBEANS, the play Cast System supremacy on them, in their OWN country, 🙏🏾TMH 🙏🏾
@omardemedina6300no one is claiming native culture hell peurto Ricans don't even have a culture 😂😂😂😂
@omardemedina6300 NO.... IM NOT TALKING ABOUT NATIVE AMERICAN, I SAID BLACK INDIGENOUS.... THATS 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.... EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT.... BUT THE BLACK INDIGENOUS WAS DEFINITELY ALLIES WITH THE SEMINOLES, BRASS ANKLES & CHEROKEE NATIONS ..... RESEARCH THE WORD INDIGENOUS... NOT NATIVE AMERICAN.... PUERTO RICANS CAME TO NYC IN 1945 ..... Y'ALL WASN'T AROUND IN THE 1500s, 1600s & 1700s WHEN THE BLVCKS WAS WARRING WITH THE COLONIZERS.... DO YOU SPEAK THE ARAWAK OR TAINO LANGUAGE ???? NO PUERTO RICAN DOES....
so the immigrants elders are
telling the truth about they were
imitating FBA CULTURE now to
show their children who really
influenced their fore fathers
culture so they can show some
respect to the trend setters of
the world who are FBA!
Not ONLY THT… But,! They reteaching something they should Never Loss… RESPECT! (IRee), for the,the ones Who cut the path from the wicked jungle & bush, tht the way Will made clear! To be known as …HONORABLE MEN..!
The Foundation and the DNA of Hip Hop go way back to every other form of music created by African Americans, Field holler, negro spirituals, Ragtime, gospel, the blues, Soul, funk, rock, R&B. End of story.
If Caribbean people never came to New Orleans you would have no jazz. Prove me wrong
@@roylle6346Jazz is derived from Ragtime. Prove me wrong!
Jazz comes from Blues, Gospel & Negro Spirituals@@roylle6346
Don't forget signifying
@@roylle6346Jellyroll Morton and Louis Armstrong are not Jamaican.
Busta has always been a clown... He has been cosplaying as FBA (Foundational BLK Americans) ... A lot of NYC ninjas are tethers cosplaying as FBA and We should have checked their B.S. years ago. ... Nuff said. FBA 💯.
Yea like Talib Kweli
HIPHOP IS FBA, BLACK AMERICANS STARTED IT ALL, STOP THE CAP.
yet the originator of hip hop is Jamaican, the two turn tables is a Jamaican thing and the art of emceeing comes from Jamaica, yet it's a Black American thing that started in the Bronx which has the largest community of Jamaicans outside of Jamaica somebody explain to me how that works
Brooklyn has the largest community of Jamaicans not the Bronx. loud abd wrong just like the rest of your comment.
Then why did it not happen on Jamaican shores?
The cultural movement is FBA.
The fact remains that they had to be here under our musical and cultural influences for any of this to happen. Otherwise, it should have begun off shore, but it did not.
Stop trying to steal.
Who cares? Who actually cares who invented hip hop the entire black diaspora sat back and let hip-hop turn into what we have now. As far as I'm concerned if Jamaicans wanna claim rap NOW??? let em.
It happened in america because of white ppl.
Pete Rock is a true definition of a tether.
B1 FBA ALL Day Family great content
Brother, I can’t thank you enough for this.
Nicely put together. You've killed all the other arguments.
They left out the fact that the SKY music was stolen from Rosco Gordon and his song, "No mo Doggin"
@@GuyRBrewer109 Not familiar with this. I'll have to check it out. Thanks
Not true. U can show them all this and they will still say Jamaicans created hip hop. The problem is we too nice
No Mo Mr. Niceguy !!⛔️🫡 ⛔️
@@GuyRBrewer109 Sky music? LOL. The education system over there is in the pits. Ska developed from Mento.
A lot of Famous Rappers know better. They just play peekaboo with this shit. Open your mouth and say what it is Man!!!. Hiphop is BLACK CULTURE and EVERYBODY else a guest!!!
THANK YOU yes bro
….and if they open their mouths against the powers tht be, tht tell them how to move, They lose everything, Not only their Boochie !🤣🤣🤣
so the people who started this said they got their influence from Jamaica yet you argue against that first the knowledge hip hop started in the Bronx late 60s early 70s by a Jamaican in the Bronx which had the largest percentage of Jamaicans outside of Jamaica at the time also the Bronx is puerto rico in new york yet you think to two largest groups in the Bronx had nothing to do with the origin of a genre that came out of the Bronx your stupid.
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Nope.. black and puerto Ricans in the Bronx. We used to say if you're not from the BX, now I just say if you're not from NYC, YOU ARE A GUEST IN HIP HOP..
James Brown: *_"SAY IT LOUD !!!"_*
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James Brown? Was he a student of Garvey?
dlmarh76 Deflection we talking music😂
Booker T Washington inspired Garvey, also Jamaican sold Garvey out...now yall wanna claim him when Black Americans made him😂 yall some sad ppl, crying and rolling on the floor when the Queen died😂😂
@@dlmarh76NO!
@dlmarh76 I got love 4 Garvey but his goofy ass would of never convinced me to take no trip to Africa especially if he couldn't convince you Jamaicans to do it. We gave Garvey money and he fumbled the bag and died in Africa. Don't ever compare him to James Brown. Black Americans live James Brown and he was Richer than Garvey and ain't have to beg for it
@@timharris1675 He died in the UK I believe
Reggae got it's sound cause the American broadcast would be choppy coming over the airwave, also most of rap was an off shoot of the conscious spoken word raps going on during the Black Revolution of the 60's and 70's, the rhythmic dissin' aspect of it came from the dozens an integral part of FBA culture aka da art of Snappin'
Plus Busta was buggin' on the cadence deal, we had cadence from da church to da chain gang that originated in slavery, so what the hell he's talking bout Jamaican's teaching FBA's cadence🤦🏿♂
Burh definitely on point he doesn't realize that hip hop music came outta slave shout songs, we singing these song from the cotton fields alway to the Civil Right movement.
Now why Busta gone sit up there and tell a bold-face lie like that?? Smh… 🤯 And you see they can’t go back and change the video documentation of the “ole skool” paying homage to US blacks.
The bag
This is thanx WE get for all WE done for him… TURN OUR BACKS TO HIM, (we have the music he left behind) but WE Don’t Know Tht Dude… nomo!
@@garyrich2053 Real talk… I dunno why ppl get selective memory once they hit 50 and beyond.
This is the funniest video ever with the thumbnail and the buzzer.
Hip-hop is a black thing nobody else our shit we started that.
Spirituals, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements or ingredients of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above? Yet then, all of a sudden--and out of nowhere, lying latinos and jamaicans slither along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans and jamaicans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---which are claims that latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos, puerto ricans and jamaicans.
Busta blow up after he let diddy have his way with him .
2Pac got bailed by Suge KNight who tapped the that Ballerina Booty.
No Respect.
He wasn’t talking that back in the day. He is about to be embarrassed.
SHUT UP HIM DOWN FOR HIPHOP! What a way to treat your adopted parents, as he 😱💩on OUR SON, lil HIPHOP🤬🤯
Yo, you funny for this video! Excellent, well done, TRUE and funny as heck! I'm subscribing....
Pete rock bumped his head on a Rock😂
Haha and hes arguably the greatest pure hip hop producer of all time
@@b6pabloDJ Premier is much greater! Hands down!
He certainly did, these Jamaicans hate black Americans trust me! Jamaicans are jealous of black Americans, especially the teathers.
Busta rhymes was borne in the United States 🇺🇸, he's more American than Jamaican no matter what he says
@@FBA_AllTHEWAY Pull your pants up and stop the nonsense. Premier is not MUCH greater. Hyperbole!
Lol 😂. People was rhyming over a beat before the scratch. And I don’t know what to say about Puerto Ricans because they had nothing to do with it. Lol
When you have a rep of Not creating anything, and all you known was the 5 finga discount growing up… wht you gonna do, everybody wants to be known for something. Dam shame thou, now they go into the books with the same M.O. BREAKING ( and I don’t mean breakdancing) & ENTERING! The Community finds them GUILTY! Sentence to a (*)Asterik next to any mention of their claims or presences near lil HIPHOP OUR babyboy!! Kidnapping is a serious crime 🐝itches !!
Their elders is telling the truth, they had no agenda back then, like they do now. Toasting ain't rhyming, even raegae was inspired by black American music.
Y'all be making up stuff 😂
Omg toasting is rhyming bro
Tf🤦
@@boepaynepill318NOBODY in the US not from Jamaica knew wtf Jamaican toasting was when hip hop started. You seem confused that Jamaicans were even practicing Jamaican culture anywhere near hip hop in the 70’s. You didn’t live that era so you make doofy statements about it. There was no hatred between FBA and Jamaican then. Just two very distinct cultures that did things their own way. Very few in early hip hop and they acted American if so
@@alstone5005 hip hop starting from word play from people like Rudy Ray Moore and Muhammad Ali not in Jamaica y'all be lying y'all ass off
@@alstone5005 you seem confused.😅 ua-cam.com/video/Xij0RcW6FTA/v-deo.htmlsi=m7cu5SjggIRomCJB
The lies
Damn shame
Like I tell people if Busta rhymes is keeping it real why in 2022 that we're finding out your Jamaican now so if you created hip hop why wasn't you proud of your Jamaican heritage in the early 90s when you was first coming out you was acting like a black American so that's one riddle right there where is your Jamaican Tupac Jamaican LL Cool j Jamaican rakim
His energy is totally jamaican. You Americans are to narcisstic to notice. Because most of you aint ever left your state.
@@sasherful because I'm not a runner y'all should stay in your country and fix it instead of running and trying to steal other people cultures
@@conradmurry You wish you was a runner. Probably got a felony and cant leave your state. You people was singing nursery rhymes on batty boy disco music and then the jamaicans brought the bass and swagger. Therefore they heavily influenced it
@@sasherful how did y'all bring base to music when James Brown already had the Baseline covered and that's before civil rights so how did y'all influence anything even your biggest stars like Bob Marley says American blacks influenced him
@@sasherful and I'm going to give you some more toughener why was Busta Rhyme pretending to believe a black American this whole time we're not finding out he's Jamaican until 2021 so if he so proud in there made stuff in that culture why he's pretending to be something else
🤔Can't give em' Hip Hop but I can give em' credit for their women creating Thot Culture 🤣🤣🤣🤣☠☠☠☠ ain't no mistake about that🤦🏿♂😅
Yeah lil kim
They are use to slum culture. Our women created twerking, but it was far more classy than the nonsense of today. The Caribbeans brought gutter culture with them.
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And you guys copied it as usual 😅
Thot Culture is definitely American culture. Foxy Brown and all that.
Puerto Ricans contribution to Hip Hop began and ended with breakdancing, Foundational Black Americans kept evolving the music and as the music changed so must the dances too go with that music and Puerto Ricans didn't keep up, why? Because this is what we do every generation, the kids don't want to listen to their parents old music and dances and they make their own, which is what we are good at, and that is why Puerto Ricans got stuck at breakdancing.
Its like YOUR son coming to me telling me HIS people created this phenomenon of entertainment. Then i listen to YOUR elders tell me that THEY actually got this from MY culture (with proof}
A culture that was established decades before either one of them showed up?
Everyone lookup the documentary entitled Microphone Check
Every body what to be us into it's time to be us lol kool & the gang
Stop the cap people. Hip hop was created in Nigeria in the 1920s
Hip Hop predates....reggae music by at least 50 years....
Not really reggae kind of been out since maybe the mid to late 60's since I recollect hearing it (Not much) in the mid to late 60's growing up in the Neck in the Bronx
It just took off more under Marley and others that came out in the 70's as far as in the USA
But as far as the music itself, it's been around for as long as Jamaica had access to American airwaves, choppy airwaves initiated it's style
That is as much of a lie as these Jamaicans telling
According to those elders Jamaicans copied Black American music.
@makiba9461 Yeah but that's not what he said. He said Hip-hop predates Reggae by 50 years and that's just not true.
Americans did not like Jamaican or foreign music in the past, so the American Music Industry did not promote it. Bob Marley was the only one who made the top 10 here. Reggae was not widely accepted here in the 30s to mid 90s.
Jamicans didn't mess with black Americans like that and why didnt they create hip hop in jamica ?
Busta Rhymes set was wack at Essence Fest no one in the seats. On UA-cam.
Ain't no hip hop culture in Jamaica now
yes it is its called dancehall
@@lockellegend5507Lls that ain’t no damn hip hop. And we started Dancehall. Foundational black Americans
Thats not the same yhing and dancehall never sound like hip hop music ever not even tbe earliest 80s dancehall @lockellegend5507
@@Jaycran22we did not start dancehall music foh 😅
@@Abstract.Noir414 Lls 😂😂😂
SHOW ME THE JAMAICAN AND LIETINO ARTISTS WHO STARTED HIP HOP. I’ll wait…
They study us 😮😮😮😮😮
Blk Americans created hip hop , rap, jazz, country, pop, gospel, rock, r&b etc.... blues= in which is wear reggae come from 😅 but we don't try to claim it as our own. Hip hop was already in America even tho hip hop first showed itself in the 40s in America, James Brown should get most of the credit he was the one who really pushed that type of sound and made it a sign of blk empowerment. Funk music is the base of what hip-hop derived from . The beats, the rhyming over a up tempo Kool beat, the style the jewelry, the flashiness, the dancing, speaking and rhyming about social issues. James Brown literally the g.o.a.t of 3 different genres almost, soul music, funk music, hip hop= James Brown was a mc before anyone made that term popular, he was the 1 rockin the crowd, selling out shows, being played at block party's and cookouts!! All Kool herc did was come to america assimilated himself to the culture that was already here and rode the bandwagon of something that was already the wave/the movement. They'res nothing based in Jamaican culture that show itself in the start of hip hop. But blk American based music like funk music, blues and soul shows itself in hip hop from the start!! And Kool herc got his name and identity in America, while playing basketball an American sport,while playing with blk Americans!! Literally America made Kool herc, he was literally playing American music, James Brown music. Not Jamaican music
Hip Hop music was created by BLACK AMERICANS!! End of stoy!
Broke Back Rhymes (Busta Rhymes) needs to be permanently canceled for his vehement, exaggerated LIES.
Broke Back Tupac is more apt. The Ballerina Gangsta who bust it open in prison.
@@dlmarh76Yet he is on your mind in matters not involving him and you think about him sexually when his name has nothing to do with things. Pac’s lil gay bird is what you are.
Pete Rock smoking to many of the them rasclot cigarettes from over there in Jamaica!!! That Sandford & Son scene tho😅😅😅😅
Sad !
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I can't believe Pete Rocks said this.
Hip Hop was Created by the Foundational Black American 's Period. Suggestions of Movies: Wild Style, Breakin, and Beat Street( produced by the honorable, and late, and great Mr. Harry Belafonte).
There were at least a couple of Puerto Rican characters in beat street. The get down also had Puerto Rican characters.
Its bad enough the Democrats have taken all the Civil Rights we marched and fought and died for and given it away to everyone else today, but they had to take Hip Hop as well. Damn !!!!
Dolemite started it all
No Latino Bboys in 73? WRONG, Dancing Doug, DXT, Johnny Cool just to name a few
Another thing I would like to add is the fact that DJing and DJ culture was started by white people yet nobody credits white people for any of the elements of Hip Hop. This is a double standard and it proves that you cannot keep that tracing to only give credit to the ones who inspired the creation of something in order to discredit the creators of something why do FBA promoters consistently do this where they see that somebody was inspired by another group of people using their slang Etc to completely discredit and take them out of the picture altogether. When we want to talk about slang why is it Italian Americans which are very influential in streets playing in New York when it comes to for example nah instead of no cuz instead of cousin what's up things like that all come from Italian slang. Yet you're coming for a Jamaican man for using American slang when in reality this topic all together is irrelevant. It doesn't really help your argument considering the fact that we're talking about hip hop culture which is a culture that started in the Bronx where the majority of black people are afro Caribbean or Latino this is a fact that's proven by demographics this has nothing to do with opinion this doesn't mean that I believe Hip Hop was started in Jamaica hip hop started here in America by afro-caribbean Latinos and it's just Google like there's no wayI. Remember about the point of a question we're asking a specific question who started hip hop not who inspired Hip Hop. Hip Hop was started by a Jamaican born DJ that's a fact the participants were of African Latino and FBA backgrounds that's also a fact a culture is created by a community that's also a fact the community of the South Bronx is the community where it started another fact.
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@MainCPUwon The funny thing is that your response is exactly the same kind of response. I would've got even if you provided information. Just a bunch of Baboonery
Sure they were cutting records like flash hilarious these fools don't have a culture it's about imitating us that's not culture it's called imitation
Flash copied Grandmaster Flowers and Grand Wizard Theodore
GM flowers didn't cut he was a great blender
Flash didn't copy gw Theodore flash was before theodore
@@juxx8889 Flash didn't bring nothing from the Caribbean to Hip-hop he was copying what Black Americans were already doing bruh. That style of music was not from the Caribbean it's all mixed Funk and Soul breaks and Disco DJs like Grandmaster Flowers and Disco King Mario were doing that before him and herc. A matter of fact flash was an infant when his parents immigrated from the Caribbean to NYC. Everything about him from the music he was Mixing the slang he was using and the style of dress he was wearing was Black American lol.
Bro calm down when did I say flash brought anything from the Caribbean?
Jamaicans imitated Black American R&B,Soul but Hip Hop is different story .
Damn y’all even The Great DJ Herc said that he took Black American music instrumentals or breaks which is what he got the people on the dance floor with while the FIRST HIP HOP MC was Coke LaRock and so so if you wanna say Jamaican and Black American Cultures started hip hop then that’s is more correct
My friend as a Jamaican I always saw HIP HOP as a shared experience and a huge collaboration between Black Jamaicans and Black Americans... That was already established and a done deal on the East Coast. I really don't understand how people could doubt huge weight of influence Jamaicans carried in NYC when dominant was so pronounced in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Most of these people who are talk so far away from NEW YORK LIFEand really don't understand the inner workings of this thing called HIP HOP. All I see happening is a REWRITE of HISTORY by Black intellectuals from the South, spread the divided mindset about FBA. Stop that, Black Jamaicans and Black Americans have been collaborating from before the 1920s. Hail to the Honourable MARCUS GARVEY.... Bless Up 🙏🏾
@@123kjaahAs a Black American, Black southerners have a right to enter this conversation because several of the most important elements of hip hop originated with Black Southerners, not folks from NYC. It's called protecting our cultural musical traditions. Many of you Caribbeans are flat out ignorant of Black American musical cultural traditions. You know very little of our traditions. Black Americans have an extensive poetic oral folklore tradition, a signifying culture, and a rap culture spanning centuries before that damn hip hop in NYC. We didn't need any of you Jamaicans to know how to rhyme over a beat. Ok. Also, James Brown was from South Carolina and invented the breakbeat. James Brown was heavily played and sampled in early hip hop. He was from the South! No way in heck you Jamaican folks in NYC going to tell Black folks in the South to not say anything about the origins of hip hop when it has the South written all over it. You sound crazy as 😺 💩.
@@123kjaahAnd no! We haven't been collaborative with you Jamaicans since the 1920's. You were never a significant population in the USA prior to 1965. You were limited to certain cities in the USA and were an extreme minority prior to 1965. Most of us never knew a Jamaican nor lived around a Jamaican prior to 1965 because you didn't exist or live where most of us lived! You weren't in the Midwest. You weren't in Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc ...we didn't live around y'all or know any of y'all. So, stop lying about your presence when there is actually statistics showing proof that you were not in the USA in great numbers prior to 1965 and were not around most Black Americans either prior. In fact, I know Black Americans today who have never met or lived around any Africans or Caribbeans. Because we live all over the USA including the South in places you folks never travel or live. So, stop. All of the USA isn't NYC.😂😂😂
Dope video but,..."Knee-grow" Nation?? 😐😐😐
The fba did nothing with breakdancing.You stopped in the late 70s. They quit and stopped now want more recognition because its going to olympics i guess. now after 50 years. Now they come out of no where. We been throwing jams still repping the culture all these years. We didn't give up on it.we didn't create hip hop but breakdancing is Latinos Puerto Rican's contribition to hip hop. We still have reuinion events. 50 years.
Saying Jamaicans created hip hop. Is like saying Puerto Ricans created reggaeton. 😂😂 Since when are Africans, Jamaicans, Haitians, and Blacks different? We are all Black!
And this is why us Black Americans have delineated
Hold up Duggie fresh also said it. Yes the one and only Duggie fresh.
Jamaica sings every hit from the usa ever since the 7os .
Now a year later Buster can’t get no one to go to his shows. Career OVER
I believe an American born with a Jamaican parent has a claim on Hip Hop, as they are also part of the culture. If we're going to play that game we can't claim Malcolm X or Louis Farrakhan as they are both American-Caribbean.
Black Americans culture started hip hop
At the end of the day, human take from each other.
Explain Bow fly rapping on Motown instrumentals in the early 60"s. Stop fronting!!!
All lies exposed in one Video.
Okay. Jamaican American here. Born in Sound View. Moved to Jamaica as a kid. Came back in '76. Lived on the Grand Concourse till '92.
I don't know what da fuck Busta talking about. Hip-hop did not come out of Jamaica. I don't know why he's saying that. I watched as this thing we call Hip-hop evolved. I disagree with the whole 50th anniversary thing for several reasons. #1: we never called it Hip-hop till it became commercialized in the 80's. #2: It evolved over a period of time from the mid 70's to the late 70's. Some people want to push it back to '73..... I'll say this. It wasn't till the late 70's 78, or '79 that all the pieces came together meaning, you had extending the beats as well as the role of the MC which became rapping. I don't remember if scratching came in in 79 or the early 80's though. You know what, I'm gonna say that was the 80's because I remember all those songs on Sugar Hill label, Enjoy, Curtis Blow. I don't remember scratching. But one thing is for sure, rapping was a late addition. The DJ was the most important person, not the MC. It wasn't till things really got commercial that it flipped and the rapper was front and center. Reason being, they were a lot easier to market.
Now. What the Jamaican contribution is isn't in any music from Jamaica, it's not from Toasting. Kool Herc didn't put curry goat and rice and peas in the music. He was spinning AMERICAN music for American and Americanized kids in The Bronx. Americanized meaning American born West Indians or immigrants who came here when they were young who assimilated to living in the urban environment of the Bronx. Puerto Ricans who were born here sometimes already been here 3 generations, as well as kids who came up from PR and assimilated to an Urban environment. And of course, African Americans who either moved up here from the south or their parents or grand parents moved here from the south and they assimilated to the urban environment of The Bronx.
What Herc did was he took old American music, Funk, Soul, Jazz, Rock and Roll, anything that sounded good and recycled it. What was different was what he did with the music. He didn't play songs straight through. He cut sections up and stitched them together to make a new sound. He looked particularly for songs that had percussion brakes for the dancers to get down to. This was something new and created a divergence from typical DJ style and that evolved into something new. He took the American music he played in a different creating music OUT OF MUSIC. It's this principle that set this new music apart. Just consider how revolutionary scratching was. They literally took records and turned them into a musical instrument. That's WILD and was such a game changer t made people's heads explode! So that's the Jamaican element.It's not in any culture from Jamaica. It's that a Jamaican took American party music in a different direction that evolved into something that later came to be called Hip-hop.
PUERTO RICANS: They were there from the beginning. There were Puerto Rican DJs, dancers, graffiti writers, event promoters the whole 9. So, yes.They're a part of it. Not always the most visible in terms of large numbers of DJs or MCs. But they did a lot behind the scenes helping to push that music out there and get it national attention. A lot of the brake beats used AfroCuban percussions and even Puerto Rican percussionists. That has more to do with the over all influences that Puerto Ricans and Cubans had on American music in general.
So yes. Hip-hop was born out of the collaborative efforts of AfroAmericans, West Indians, (because Flash perfected what Herc started and added other Dj innovations) and Puerto Ricans. Call it Black culture if you want to, I don't care really.The fact of the matter is that all 3 groups had a hand in creating something new that rocked the World forever! That's powerful when you consider the fact that the powers that be considered all of us garbage with no value. But those ni&&rs and spike did something that changed the World and that is the message we need to be passing on to the younger generation. Hip-hop is a testament to the fact that even when the whole world tells you you ain't shit, you still have the most powerful tool on the planet. The human mind and spirit. Being born in a ghetto don't change that. We need to be helping our kids tap into the power they have inside of them that created something like Hip-hop.
Okay. Imma land the plane now. With regards to Jamaican popular music. Yes. Back in the 50's we listened to American music tough. But guess what. So did the whole damn World. The English, the French, the Russians, everyone. The whole World was listening to American music from back in the 1900's and 20's. We weren't any different than anyone else. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that we didn't have our own popular and folk music. We did and we still do. Our music is Mento. It's a Jamaican form of Calypso for want of a better term. Ska is not an imitation of American music. It's a modernization of traditional Jamaican music. Instead of playing traditional acoustic instruments, we played electric guitar etc which was borrowed from Americans. But that steady back beat 1 and 2 and 3 and 4. That's a Mento guitar pattern. All they did was slow it down a bit. Then by the late 60's they slowed it down a little more and it became Rock Steady. And when they slowed it down even further, it became Reggae. I remember when I got to Jamaica as a kid the song that was burning up the radio was Cherry O Baby.
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This is Jamaican through and through. That's our native spirit and feeling. There's nothing American about it. Now did we also listen to American music? Of course we did. We can pick up radio stations from Cuba and the USA. But we still have our own music and it continued to evolve into Dance Hall. But in addition to that, we still have our folk music with the raw pure African roots. And just like with Ska, this is the backbone for a lot of Dance Hall music.
This was long, but hope it cleared things up for a lot f folks.
There are no elements in hip hop originating with Jamaicans or Latinos culturally at all. Furthermore, Black Americans already had a drumming culture. We didn't need Afro Cubans teaching us drumming culture. Next, those breakbeats came from James Brown and his drummer Clyde. And it doesn't have an Afro Cuban feel at all. It's funk drumming. Sit down somewhere please.
@@jacklyneverage3881 I know my post is long, but if you carefully re-read it, it answered the statement of your first sentence in great detail.
Now, #1: "Furthermore, Black Americans already had a drumming culture. We didn't need Afro Cubans teaching us drumming culture. "
No one is denying that African Americans have a culture or that they brought anything to the table. Once again, a careful read of my comment addresses this fact. However, you have to understand that all of the cultures on this side of the Atlantic were born out of cross cultural diffusion. American, Caribbean and Latin American. All are the result of a blending of Native, European and African contributions. For example, Negro Spirituals are a combination of European Protestant gyms and African intonations. Jazz was born in New Orleans out of European marching band music and an AfroAmerican /Creole interpretation that's African in origin. New Orleans has a long history of cultural connection to Haiti and Cuba because it kept changing hands between Spain and France. This is why certain percussion patterns survived there, which brings me to the issue of the drums.
AfroAmericans lost the tradition of the drums because they were prohibited. This is well documented fact any musician can tell you this. However, in New Orleans, they channeled their rhythms in the way they played musical chords and with the introduction of marching band drums, they were able to put their own twist on it. But the tradition of the drums didn't survive like it did in the Caribbean. In the 40's and 50's AfroAmericans and Cubans and Puerto Ricans in New York started collaborating with each other. This led to the Mambo craze that became a World Wide phenomenon. Quincy Jones and other AfroAmericans were regulars at clubs like The Palladium and it's in the 60's that we see congas and bongos introduced into AfroAmerican music.
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#2: "Next, those breakbeats came from James Brown and his drummer Clyde. And it doesn't have an Afro Cuban feel at all. It's funk drumming. Sit down somewhere please."
What you don't know, because you're too young, is that James Brown, while important, was not the only musician they sampled. Most of the brake beats isn't come from James Brown. For example Apache was from a white band that did a remake of a song by a British band in the 50's called The Shadows. They added the percussion to it and the drummer was a Bahamian. The Mexican is from a Rock Band, not James Brown. All American bands starting from the 60's had incorporated congas and Cuban and Puerto Rican rhythms. It's now just a standard part of most bands World wide. But to return to James Brown, he did incorporate Latin percussions in several of his songs. He was an artist, not a racist and he moved like an artist and had the mentality of an artist.
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Now, one of the James Brown songs containing a brake beat where he used an Afro Cuban rhythm: First 47 second are pure Cuban percussion: ua-cam.com/video/oL4UUN7wPi0/v-deo.html
We got to change, First 27 seconds is pure Cuban percussion:ua-cam.com/video/oL4UUN7wPi0/v-deo.html
There you have it facts backed up with evidence
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That was complete and thorough. I hope others take the time to read your text, take in your words and digest it. As a Jamerican who came here in 1972 at the age of 8 and grew up in the Northeast Bronx went to H.S ( Truman) with Rahiem from Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. I was down since day one. Got my first taste of the culture in '76 initially from breakers and the DJ. Grew up near P.S. 78 where DJ Breakout used to spin. MCs weren't even out yet. They came later. I respect and agree with all you said. This whole culture is organic with contributions from American and West Indian Blacks. If you grew up in the Bronx you know Puerto Ricans contributed to this culture. In my area their strengths were graffiti , breaking and DJing because that's what I saw with my own eyes. We all grew up around each other so of course we're gonna share the same passion for what's around us and bond.
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It's obvious hip hop doesn't from them because they don't know the history. Lol This is so funny. Buster and Joe have lost my respect.
How comes hip-hop started where there was alot of jamaicans in nyc?
THERES MORE IN JAMAICA SO WHY DIDNT IT START THERE!!
@@firsteyebeats2617 Because other things were starting there. Do you know how creations with a local environment work? Why didn't the Canadian who invented basketball not invent it in Canada as opposed to the USA?
You have to learn the difference between a Creator and an inspiration these are two different things. Every Creator was inspired by people or elements outside his or her own culture to create something new this doesn't negate the fact that the creator has an origin that's identifiable that's different than that of the origin of the person who inspired him. One of the most notable elements of jazz is the use of the saxophone which was an instrument invented by a white person but it does not mean that white people invented jazz. Jazz has a lot of European derived musical elements as well but that does not mean that Europeans started Jazz because it started in america. With the exception of jazz every other black American genre like rock Disco country Blues Etc are derivatives of European music yet Europeans did not start all those genres black African Americans did didn't they so that means that just because the elements of Hip Hop we're heavily inspired by African Americans does not mean that it was solely an African-American creation considering that a lot of the Pioneers were not African-American.
The younger generation of Jamaicans been lying about 45 years
Yall lie. Simply put ot was never in Jamaica.
Vlad is still telling them lies too, he has a new video out with ares spears. He tried to pull ares spears into his lies but ares didn't go with his lies. Ares spears is cool
White folks as a collective are a bunch of insidious manipulative compulsive liars, that's how they survive and most of what they gained is through distorting the truth, along with Liberal White's being the most deceptive of the group
The stooges join the "Women Haters" club and vow to have nothing to do with the fair sex. Larry marries a girl anyway and attempts to hide the fact from Moe and Curly as they take a train trip. 1934, straight bars! 🔥
The Three Stooges are real pioneers of rap!
Y'all did they know the knowledge of black radio djs were jive talking and rap on the airwaves...
If youre not from NYC, shhhhhhhhh, husshhhhhh... not from NYC youre a guest in the culture. Why the slaves on the foundation fighting, arguing, dividing, about who put in the most work or who planted the 1st cotton seed on the plantation instead of talking about how to get the plantation back and OWN IT... sad
Jamaicans always had a street culture
American r&b influenced hip hop im lost
There are several things to tackle here. First of all you mentioned a lot of facts in this video that do not help your argument at all while they may be true it does not change the fact of the matter. You have selective information gathering which shows that your biased and you are only accommodating what you prefer to believe. For instance there are many videos of people mentioning that there were Latinos participating in hip hop from the very beginning from Panamanian to Puerto Rican Etc. Just because somebody is black does not mean they are not Latino and just because they don't speak Spanish also does not mean that they are not Latino Latino simply means you're from a Latin American country or any country in the Americas where one of the three romance languages is spoken. Which means one of the main components of Hip Hop witches breakdancing is inherently Latino within 90% of its movements being from capoeira which is a Brazilian martial arts which predates FBA culture altogether. Wild thought is modern graffiti cornbread did not influence wild style and no graffiti artist emulated cornbread therefore we have to look at the beginning of wild style in New York City which had many Latino graffiti artists. One guy in this video said that there were no Latinos in the beginning because he had one experience but there are many others who had a different experience especially the ghetto Brothers one of the most feared gangs in New York City. A strange fact that most people don't bring up is the fact that Bronx game culture is the father of Hip Hop culture in the sense that one has to stop for the other to be dominant. All of the gang leaders of the Bronx became hip-hop dancers DJ's promoters graffiti artists etc. And if you look at all the footage you'll realize that the majority of the Bronx games were Latino so how could the statement that there were no Latinos be possibly true? It would make absolutely no sense because the end of Bronx gang culture means the beginning of Hip Hop culture because hip hop culture started to provide an alternative to gang violence in the Bronx. This does not mean that the elements of Hip Hop started because Bronx and culture was ending that's not what I'm saying I'm only saying that the culture itself was called cultivated and made popular as a better alternative to the violent ways of the Bronx gangs which again worth majority Latino and afro-caribbean. Don't believe me then why is Africa Bamba who used to be the leader of the black Spades who is a founding father of Hip Hop and afro Caribbean himself.
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Hip hop is NY music and culture.
I agree it's black Americans culture that happens to be in New York
@@litebeingimmortal7375 as well as the immigrants there, so keep coping. Meanwhile, the Nigerians have showed you that it's possible to be educated in the USA as a black person and not having to reply on hooping and hip-hopping. :)
You shouldn’t broadcast things you don’t understand. The examples of Jamaican saying they were influenced by American music was obviously not hip hop. That was Jamaican blues or jazz from 50-70 era where they were re singing American jazz and blues song. That wasn’t a secret there was a specific demographic of people who liked listening to American songs remixed with a Jamaican sound. That’s not where reggae and hip hop came from. It’s not even a similar time era. Hip hop was created in New York by Jamaicans.
Yea ok
Jamaicans have absolutely nothing to do with hip hop.
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3/4 of ny rappers got Carribean ancestry
Bullshit! All that are came much later. Jamaicans copied our blues, jazz, rock, soul, funk, disco, gospel and country. Jamaica didn't have it's first international recording artist until the mid 60s. She had a song called " My guy lollipop " and it was actually a cover song of an American artist. Jamaica didn't get it's first music based radio station until the mid 1950s. They didn't have their first recording studios until the 1950s. The only music they has of their own prior to the 50s was called Mento and no one but them listened to it. Jamaicans had been listening to Black American artists being broadcast into their country for 25 or 30 years before they got their own station. Ska, reggae, rock steady, dancehall and dub step didn't exist until the late 50s if you're talking about Ska and the rest came in the 60s. How can a people with no genres, no artists, no facilities to make music influence a people who had international stars 40 years before they had the capacity to do so?
We talking about HipHop tho🤔🤔
@@castortroy5205 So am I! All of the elements it took to make hip hop are from Black Americans. All of the music being sampled came from Black American genres. Black Americans invented rapping/toasting, break dancing, scratching, beat box, the slang and all of the fashions regarded as hip hop. If Jamaicans had invented hip hop/rap then why were there no Jamaican artists being sampled? Who invents something then leave out their own culture?
@@TheGuest954 Jamaica was a poor country with talent people. They didn't live in a country like yours where those in power gave you something to work with. Nigerians are showing you guys who to make use of opportunities in your own land. They have SURPASSED you in wealth and education.
Given the same opportunities as other black people, FBAs have quickly found out that they are not 'a superior race'.
@dlmarh76 What in the hell are you talking about, gave us? Our people worked almost 260 years without pay. Out women were raped and our family members sold and tortured. Our communities that we built after slavery were bombed, burned, and flooded by racist Whites called the Ku Klux Klan. Our people were lynched and suffered a genocide. Unlike like your people, we were a minority in our country and fought to make the changes that not only benefited us but also opened the doors for you to come here. We didn't lay down like your people did and allow a small group of Europeans and Asians to take over our country. Your people were free long before ours and again were the majority and still couldn't accomplish what ours did here. We are the most successful Black people on the planet because we fought to change our situation and didn't flee.
They tried to copy soul and blues and created some new. That new thing they created they also used to create something else hip hop. They created hip hop. The first to start it was Jamaican. The video saying that lol.
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Just stop to he bullshit, hip-hop is black American culture driven, from every aspect of this art form. So Letz just cut it out. 🤨. SERIOUSLY!
He is talking at a Soulfrito... so you can see why he said that...
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Yeah now take that BS back to your country. Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans did NOTHING
Stop lying....just tell the truth
This video is spliced n one sided...
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There's A Difference between R&B influencing Ska. And Jamaican Dancehall influencing Hip Hop. Hip Hop Originated from Jamaicans, Don't Hate We're All The Same Black People
And you are slow. Your own elders told you toasting and their dj culture came from us. Why in the hell would we copy you when we already had it? 😂😂😂
If hip hop started out 50/50 with Puerto Ricans and black, where is room for Jamaicans? Another question, If hip hop started out 50/50 Rican and blacks, how did blacks end up dominating the culture?? How, please answer. 😅😅😅
Drop Dead Busta Slime😅Pure Bullshit!
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