Congrats, looks great! I’ve been following this company since I first saw it on The Build show like 3 years ago and am finally ready getting around to redoing our floors and am trying to get feedback on how they’ve held up over time? Any squeaks? Any shrinking and swelling issues? Everything still tight and sturdy? Thanks in advance for any input!
My wife and I are completing plans for a new build. Im curious how this flooring has held up? We are looking at gluing the true hard wood down but this is intriguing to us. How have they’ve held up over time? Any squeaks, shrinking, swelling or issues with the flooring coming off the rails they sit on? Any creaks when walking on it.
THis is a greta product, and if you insist on real wood in basement,. Thsi is arguably your best choice (floating, sealed on all sides, even moisture take up and release, can take up quickly in event of a flood, and can inspect underneath for mold water condensation etc )BUT so few basements are really vapor sealed and why take the risk on this expensive product ? Go with luxury vinyl and stellar on above ground floors
@ 6:20 - No you do not damage the boards around a tongue and groove plank when replacing one plank. If you know what you are doing only the damaged piece gets ruined.
I am going to build a school bus out into a tiny home/office on wheels and this seems really amazing for that. My only concern would be the weight. What is the weight range of these floors?
Yes, it is important to be thoughtful about the weight! Solid wood floors run 3.5lbs per sqft on average. White oak is on the higher end with 4 lbs/sqft!
Luckily, most of the floor will be taken up by installed cabinetry, so it might not be prohibitive. I’ll have to see. I just love the system and it’s versatility!
Yes indeed! We have several blog posts about concrete slabs on our site and the basics are: flat and sealed/moisture barrier. Always reel free to give us a call if you have questions :)
We just prices out 500 sq. ft for just or living room and they cost was $8300. Hardly affordable for any middle-class family. See the quote below Hello Sir! The pricing of the product is by the square foot not by bundle size. So your 480 square feet @ $15.48/ sq. ft. would be $7,430.40, plus an additional shipping charge to Indiana of $800. Grand total would be approximately $8300. Any other questions, please let me know! Ray Linsky--Hardwood Information Specialist
Stellar guys: Can you refinish in the traditional way? Sand + poly on top? Or does refinishing require removing the boards to refinish in some other way?
I ordered samples of every kind of wood they offer bc I saw this a while ago on Matt’s channel. Now I see they have used polyurethane on the boards, does that mean you can’t stain them? Basically, as far as color and finish, should people view these samples as a finished product? Thanks for this video btw.
The samples are of our standard offerings and we also offer custom options including naked boards that you can stain yourself! Just give us a call and we can discuss how to make your project perfect 😊
concepts cool been laying floors over 12 years laying some now as we speak not a huge fan for installers if you take a job like this charge double what normally charge if the job is cut up square rooms ok but cut up house with a million door jams definetly a challenge and time consumming
Noticed a lot of sapwood (the light stripes at edge of flooring) in this quarter sawn white oak floor. At the price charged this would be unacceptable to me.
I would be concerned about end-to-end gaps over time. Solid wood is notorious for expanding and contracting, potentially creating gaps and/or buckling. A good idea but the jury is still out on the potential problems, as it always is with a new innovative product. Couldn’t the same idea be implemented in an engineered wood floor? That would likely mitigate the problem. There's no real advantage to using solid wood, as long as the "wear layer" is adequate. Another problem is, if water gets on a floor like this, there’s nothing to prevent the water from getting between the pieces and getting trapped below the floor. I had this happen to my floor, which was a solid wood floating floor in my kitchen (Junkers) and it created a disaster. The advantage of this floor is, you can pull the pieces and shop vac the moisture under the pieces. But, will homeowners actually take the time to do that?
Expansion and contraction- are mostly radial, not linear. End to end gaps don't typically manifest. Couldn't this be done for engineered- it already is. The basis of many engineered models is locking and floating. This replicates. No advantage to solid over engineered- Not correct. There is no risk of delamination, ever. Engineered, no matter how well made, always has that risk. Water- obviously this has a method to evacuate water, a major advantage. As is having a system where abnormal swelling won't noticeably harm an install as in nail down. Even clever engineered doesn't have a method for removing sections of boards easily. Will homeowners take the time- that's a separate issue. But you're begging the question. Who is considering a floor like this, at these prices, without wanting such a feature? It's a prime reason to get it. Not to defend the product, I'm neutral. As the cost isn't cheap. But your comments don't strike me as well reasoned.
As a Physical Therapist, I would recommend getting good medical insurance for those workers having to install this on a regular basis. So hard on the hips, knees, feet, and back by kicking to install
Consider the ease of installation. No glue, no gluing hassles. No nails, nail gun, etc. Smart installers will charge this at the same rate as other click lock. Greedy installers will charge at the same rate as other solid hardwood.
Refinishing outside or off-site is the worst thing about these floors. Hardwood floors have to be re-coated periodically to maintain the finish, that's just a fact. These floors can't be re-coated on-site like a traditional wood floor because the finish would go in between the seams and ruin the clip system. These floors definitely can't be sanded on site with a traditional drum sander because the floors are floating and that would cause deflection, in other words the sander would bounce as you're walking behind it and it would end up looking very wavy (and as I already mentioned you couldn't finish them on-site anyways). And absolutely no home owner is going to attempt to remove their wood floor to re-coat it outside because that would be extremely tedious, extremely time consuming and very expensive compared to a traditional buff & coat that can be done in one day. As we all know there are 100 year old homes that still have the original (nailed down) hardwood floors and they've probably been sanded several times over the years. So what's the point of having 3/4 inch solid wood floors if they can't be sanded or re-coated on-site ? The fact that these floors can't be coated on-site makes them just as disposable as any cheap Chinese engineered wood floors. It's just kind of funny to me because everything that they're promoting as a positive is actually a negative in the long run, but because this is a relatively new product nobody has had to deal with maintaining the finish yet.
You can most definitely sand and recoat a floating floor. So long and it has a thick enough wear layer.. I know this because I had it done in my old house.
@@frogmanpipes9561I've sanded and finished Junckers which is also a floating clip system wood floor, but my point is you're not going to un-clip it after it's been sanded and finished. And perhaps you were lucky and your sub floor was level but if you're sub floor is not level then your flooring can bounce which will affect the sanding process. I'm not saying it can't be done but if I do it you'll be signing a disclaimer..
@@RNicolasRuvalcaba actually that is exactly what you said. You went on and on about how it can't be done. I'm here to say that every thing you claim is a bunch of B.S.. Not myself. But my father has owned his own flooring business for close to 40 years.
@@frogmanpipes9561 Do I really have to repeat myself again ? Try to pay attention this time. The question isn't whether or not it can be sanded and finished, the question is can it be sanded and finished then removed ? which is the selling point of this product. Did you sand and finish one of these floating floors then come back and remove and replace pieces ? of course you didn't. Also, you're implying that just because you've sanded one before that means that they can all be sanded successfully, which simply isn't true. The fact is, if an installer lays a floating floor over a fucked up un-even sub floor with hollow spots the flooring will flex where those hollow spots are and that will cause the drum-sander to vibrate causing irreversible chatter marks in the sanding. Then if you apply three coats of finish the finish will drip between the gaps compromising the clip system. And if you apply three coats of water based finish the water content can cause the boards to swell which can cause side bonding. So it would make it very unlikely that anybody could replace boards without damaging them. BTW, I only have 33 years experience and over ten years of 5 star reviews..
The mid-range line at $10/ft is in line with any decent solid hardwood. The $20 luxe line is spendy, but there does exist high end $50/ft hardwood elsewhere.
I am kind of wondering how well this is holding up after two years.
Gorgeous floors! I’d love to have floors like these in my old home!
just watching this flooring on Matt's channel in this same room HAHA
Wow beautiful!
Nice system 👍👍👍👍👍
Congrats, looks great! I’ve been following this company since I first saw it on The Build show like 3 years ago and am finally ready getting around to redoing our floors and am trying to get feedback on how they’ve held up over time? Any squeaks? Any shrinking and swelling issues? Everything still tight and sturdy? Thanks in advance for any input!
I just ordered a sample for our remodel! Thanks for the video, Kim!
Absolutely stunning
It really is! we are so happy with the selection. Thank you!!!
My wife and I are completing plans for a new build. Im curious how this flooring has held up? We are looking at gluing the true hard wood down but this is intriguing to us. How have they’ve held up over time? Any squeaks, shrinking, swelling or issues with the flooring coming off the rails they sit on? Any creaks when walking on it.
Genius. I have wanted to invent something like this forever, now its done for me
No matter what you come up with, some one did it forty years ago!
Great video. Looks like a good product.
Love this product! Going to use it in my basement.
THis is a greta product, and if you insist on real wood in basement,. Thsi is arguably your best choice (floating, sealed on all sides, even moisture take up and release, can take up quickly in event of a flood, and can inspect underneath for mold water condensation etc )BUT so few basements are really vapor sealed and why take the risk on this expensive product ? Go with luxury vinyl and stellar on above ground floors
Isn’t that stuff like $12-16 a square foot though?
@ 6:20 - No you do not damage the boards around a tongue and groove plank when replacing one plank. If you know what you are doing only the damaged piece gets ruined.
I am going to build a school bus out into a tiny home/office on wheels and this seems really amazing for that. My only concern would be the weight. What is the weight range of these floors?
Yes, it is important to be thoughtful about the weight! Solid wood floors run 3.5lbs per sqft on average. White oak is on the higher end with 4 lbs/sqft!
Wow. What sort of flooring would you suggest for a home that has the weight limitation, and is like living in a daily earthquake?😁
Luckily, most of the floor will be taken up by installed cabinetry, so it might not be prohibitive. I’ll have to see. I just love the system and it’s versatility!
@@StellerFloors I have been following you in China for more than two years.
This looks amazing. Can it be installed in a basement over old tile laminate?
What really blows my mind is wondering how to install this material without taking the door jambs out of the house. Not a video in sight about that.
This is incredible! Is it applicable on a concrete slab?
Yes indeed! We have several blog posts about concrete slabs on our site and the basics are: flat and sealed/moisture barrier. Always reel free to give us a call if you have questions :)
We just prices out 500 sq. ft for just or living room and they cost was $8300. Hardly affordable for any middle-class family. See the quote below
Hello Sir!
The pricing of the product is by the square foot not by bundle size. So your 480 square feet @ $15.48/ sq. ft. would be $7,430.40, plus an additional shipping charge to Indiana of $800. Grand total would be approximately $8300.
Any other questions, please let me know!
Ray Linsky--Hardwood Information Specialist
Stellar guys: Can you refinish in the traditional way? Sand + poly on top? Or does refinishing require removing the boards to refinish in some other way?
You can do it either way! Folks generally prefer doing small sections at a time because people walk on less than 10% of the total area of the floor.
@StellerFloors what tools would I use for refinishing those areas? Assuming I remove the small sections as recommended? 😊
Wish you could get this system in the UK
Maybe one day!
@@StellerFloors Want to cooperate very much, but Chinese floor factory does not pay attention to, be afraid of meeting imitate.
I ordered samples of every kind of wood they offer bc I saw this a while ago on Matt’s channel. Now I see they have used polyurethane on the boards, does that mean you can’t stain them? Basically, as far as color and finish, should people view these samples as a finished product?
Thanks for this video btw.
The samples are of our standard offerings and we also offer custom options including naked boards that you can stain yourself! Just give us a call and we can discuss how to make your project perfect 😊
@@StellerFloors3:41
concepts cool been laying floors over 12 years laying some now as we speak not a huge fan for installers if you take a job like this charge double what normally charge if the job is cut up square rooms ok but cut up house with a million door jams definetly a challenge and time consumming
Just wondering if this type of flooring would work in a house built on a concrete slab?
Yes it would.
Emmett Caldwell if your concrete slab is in good level condition, then yes sir.
Really interesting flooring system. Never seen this type before and am impressed. Is it available worldwide or only in the states?
Right now we are US only, but we are working on expanding our shipping radius. Stay in touch!
@@StellerFloors do you have it available in Canada?
In wet areas, I would pre-finish the ends as well.
Great point! We seal the planks on all sides and send a sample of sealant with the floor (water based) for fresh cut ends!
@@StellerFloors I didn't find this exact info on your web site. Thanks for posting here.
Noticed a lot of sapwood (the light stripes at edge of flooring) in this quarter sawn white oak floor. At the price charged this would be unacceptable to me.
What is the finish and finish warranty?
What is the acclamation time?
I would be concerned about end-to-end gaps over time. Solid wood is notorious for expanding and contracting, potentially creating gaps and/or buckling. A good idea but the jury is still out on the potential problems, as it always is with a new innovative product. Couldn’t the same idea be implemented in an engineered wood floor? That would likely mitigate the problem. There's no real advantage to using solid wood, as long as the "wear layer" is adequate.
Another problem is, if water gets on a floor like this, there’s nothing to prevent the water from getting between the pieces and getting trapped below the floor. I had this happen to my floor, which was a solid wood floating floor in my kitchen (Junkers) and it created a disaster. The advantage of this floor is, you can pull the pieces and shop vac the moisture under the pieces. But, will homeowners actually take the time to do that?
Expansion and contraction- are mostly radial, not linear. End to end gaps don't typically manifest.
Couldn't this be done for engineered- it already is. The basis of many engineered models is locking and floating. This replicates.
No advantage to solid over engineered- Not correct. There is no risk of delamination, ever. Engineered, no matter how well made, always has that risk.
Water- obviously this has a method to evacuate water, a major advantage. As is having a system where abnormal swelling won't noticeably harm an install as in nail down. Even clever engineered doesn't have a method for removing sections of boards easily.
Will homeowners take the time- that's a separate issue. But you're begging the question. Who is considering a floor like this, at these prices, without wanting such a feature? It's a prime reason to get it.
Not to defend the product, I'm neutral. As the cost isn't cheap. But your comments don't strike me as well reasoned.
How much a sqft for this system
How would u get it in jamaica mohagony
As a Physical Therapist, I would recommend getting good medical insurance for those workers having to install this on a regular basis. So hard on the hips, knees, feet, and back by kicking to install
Install instructions actually recommend a non-marring rubber mallet.
Do they ship to Canada? And how would you do stairs?
Walnut Clear - Steamed
12 sq.ft ($215.88) = $17.99 per sq.ft.
That's a lot of kicking when you too can use a rubber mallet. Raar, Tiger grain
Yeah, a mallet was our first inclination, but for some reason everyone falls back to stomping, probably because you can stand up to do it.
Steller Floors kicking them sure beats working on your knees with a mallet
BrokenWrench I rather check things from a close point of view than a far point of view. But to each his own
Very nice floors, but a bit on the higher price end of the market!
Consider the ease of installation. No glue, no gluing hassles. No nails, nail gun, etc. Smart installers will charge this at the same rate as other click lock. Greedy installers will charge at the same rate as other solid hardwood.
Is it 15$ per sq ft ?
Some species are lower, some are higher.
Refinishing outside or off-site is the worst thing about these floors. Hardwood floors have to be re-coated periodically to maintain the finish, that's just a fact. These floors can't be re-coated on-site like a traditional wood floor because the finish would go in between the seams and ruin the clip system. These floors definitely can't be sanded on site with a traditional drum sander because the floors are floating and that would cause deflection, in other words the sander would bounce as you're walking behind it and it would end up looking very wavy (and as I already mentioned you couldn't finish them on-site anyways). And absolutely no home owner is going to attempt to remove their wood floor to re-coat it outside because that would be extremely tedious, extremely time consuming and very expensive compared to a traditional buff & coat that can be done in one day. As we all know there are 100 year old homes that still have the original (nailed down) hardwood floors and they've probably been sanded several times over the years. So what's the point of having 3/4 inch solid wood floors if they can't be sanded or re-coated on-site ? The fact that these floors can't be coated on-site makes them just as disposable as any cheap Chinese engineered wood floors. It's just kind of funny to me because everything that they're promoting as a positive is actually a negative in the long run, but because this is a relatively new product nobody has had to deal with maintaining the finish yet.
You can most definitely sand and recoat a floating floor. So long and it has a thick enough wear layer.. I know this because I had it done in my old house.
@@frogmanpipes9561I've sanded and finished Junckers which is also a floating clip system wood floor, but my point is you're not going to un-clip it after it's been sanded and finished. And perhaps you were lucky and your sub floor was level but if you're sub floor is not level then your flooring can bounce which will affect the sanding process. I'm not saying it can't be done but if I do it you'll be signing a disclaimer..
@@RNicolasRuvalcaba actually that is exactly what you said. You went on and on about how it can't be done. I'm here to say that every thing you claim is a bunch of B.S.. Not myself. But my father has owned his own flooring business for close to 40 years.
@@frogmanpipes9561 Do I really have to repeat myself again ? Try to pay attention this time. The question isn't whether or not it can be sanded and finished, the question is can it be sanded and finished then removed ? which is the selling point of this product. Did you sand and finish one of these floating floors then come back and remove and replace pieces ? of course you didn't. Also, you're implying that just because you've sanded one before that means that they can all be sanded successfully, which simply isn't true. The fact is, if an installer lays a floating floor over a fucked up un-even sub floor with hollow spots the flooring will flex where those hollow spots are and that will cause the drum-sander to vibrate causing irreversible chatter marks in the sanding. Then if you apply three coats of finish the finish will drip between the gaps compromising the clip system. And if you apply three coats of water based finish the water content can cause the boards to swell which can cause side bonding. So it would make it very unlikely that anybody could replace boards without damaging them. BTW, I only have 33 years experience and over ten years of 5 star reviews..
@@RNicolasRuvalcaba you must like to hear yourself talk. Cause all you do is ramble non sense. You can't even keep track of the actual conversation.
Stupid expensive. No real reason to pay double cost of normal hardwood floors and pay for extra expensive installation
The mid-range line at $10/ft is in line with any decent solid hardwood. The $20 luxe line is spendy, but there does exist high end $50/ft hardwood elsewhere.