Moon Knight's ult is probably faster because there are 4 more hands that have to drop down in the same amount of time as before, therefore speeding up the rate of hands falling.
they're nerfing spidey techs meanwhile spidey mains are working harder than a single mom of 4 just to do the same damage a hawkeye and hela can do in like 1-3 shots 💀
To be fair he was wrong too. It looks like it will now target barriers like deployables so she will use slashes on shields the same way she will attack loki clones or namor turrets while before she would ignore them.
Sounds like the "counterplay" to her ult will be that it will target the barriers, and a bigger variety of them, as opposed to actually targeting people
@@HDGaminTutorials Wdym tanks are the most miserable role in this game. 80% of my games me solo tanking, and Hawkeye deletes me in 2 seconds or Wolverine chases me for the entire game I bet you've never even played as a tank once
For context, Hawkeye could have no seasonal bonus, and they could have also nerfed his base arrow from 80 down to 70 and he would still be able to oneshot 275hp heroes
The reason Psylocke ult, doesn't only hit the shield when Strange or Magneto have it up, is because Psylocke Ult now counts Shields/Bubbles as targets. So if you solo ult Strange, it will got Hit Strange>Hit Shield>Hit Strange>Hit Shield. Because it dilutes its damage amongst ALL targets, which now includes Shields. You don't have to track anything it's just the Ult's logic, that's also how it works on Enemies, it hits everyone in range once and then restarts from the 1st, in a loop
@@Vzaj- because that combo doesnt kill. With the new no animation cancel, theres no extra hit and you stay in the air longer too because you cant cancel uppercut animation. Basically its both damage and movement nerf.
@Kinster69 average level ult 😂 she can get in without being seen ult back line which is atleast 1 or 2 guaranteed kills and get out for free after ult….it’s literally one of the strongest ult in the game
@@ewhitey18 its really not , mantis and luna hard counter , same with cloak and dagger , not to mention its only guaranteed kills if you can catch people in it properly. Also with adam warlock and an external healer its an easy counter , literally any character with movement thats further than a few meters gets out. Its an easy avoidable ult. EVEN PSYLOCKE COUNTERS PSYLOCKE ULT
Yeah honestly that what I would have nerf if I was a dev. I have played a few ranks game as hulk with strange banned and no one on my team went iornman. Those game I never felt practical strong or weak but now we will see
This patch note is kind of concerning. Apart from magik and dr strange changes, not a single other change was what the character needed. Its like they dont pay attention to competitive at all.
Hulk is still underrated, good players are unkillable with the character. Hulk can easily carry with gamma shield and his ult. Fantastic team up with Iron man and top 5 mobility hero in the game. The shield breaking faster is literally the smallest slap on the wrist.
If they were gonna nerf the animation cancel for Spider-Man they needed to buff him at the same time. He truly has no damage outside of his Web Dash anymore because of this. They should’ve gave him a dash reset on kill as well as some extra web shots or have 2 web shots refill on kill along with the dash reset. There’s no reason to have a 5 star difficulty character if he’s also trash.
I'm usually against weird bugs like spidey jump uppercut being in games personally. I do still think spiderman does need a buff though. Honestly he could probably get away with like 25 more hp and a faster recharge on right click. He does actually get indirectly nerfed even harder though with the namor buffs haha
Зачем сравнивать стрелка с бойцом ближнего боя. Росомахе подарили 50 дополнительного здоровья. Но в командных играх он намного лучше будет, особенно против танком со щитами. Но мне кажется всё дело в монетизации, на кого выходят скины, тех усиливают, на кого нет, тех либо ослабляют, либо не трогают.
After all the streams I watched today it is SO refreshing to watch someone break these down with very good reading comprehension. He correctly interpreted every single change, and I don’t think I can say that for any of the like 4 streamers I saw break these down
@@thebukojoeplays but tbf the fact that there's also a delay time for raising the shield again makes that one confusing, I haven't seen anyone not think that meant the cd for raising again. It's kind of a minor thing rather than a "yelling at my screen, how could you be so stupid" type thing
15:15 chat is trying to say the circle is bigger since the radius of the explosions increased. The ult circle indicator had to be updated to show where you could still be damaged.
Makes sense. It looks to me that they are falling in the same places. It does look faster than before though. Or maybe I’m remembering wrong since it’s not in a match.
Wym, how in the mutiverse is a spidey able to kill a winter soldier now? The best you can be is an annoying fly, that is if you don't get cc'd and nuked.
Or they could nerf her damage like the freeze thing, so that she becomes good at one thing and thats healing, thus justifying her ult being strong, but then again shes gonna be too lopsided and easy to kill (shes got low survivability anyway). So think nerfing her ult to 9 seconds would be more valid.
Honestly yeah, she seems like she would be shit based on playing her in practice mode, but in game I was able to get some pretty good matches with her while I was achievement hunting for her achievements.
I HOPE SPIDERMAN USERS GETS JUSTICE.. Feels bad, man..u guys cannot one combo a healer. The character also have a terrible web recharge and small health.. Petition: BUFF SPIDEY
The Magneto Team-up buff is just good overall since it removes Magneto's range cap. His basic attack is limited to mid range but with the team-up is suddenly becomes long range. So the small damage buff to it is appreciated.
In my opinion I think the best things devs could do for Spidey is re-work his webshooters into ammobased/reload i think how how consistent you’ll be providing offence when your other abilities are on cooldowns and you don’t have to re-treat away from the battle for your abilities to be ready Or give him another E charge so he can have re-positioning or more of a chance to kill confirm these are fair and balanced changes that I Would have as they don’t make him completely unfair
TRUE, amazing combo is self cc and has a cooldown, so giving another charge helps for mobility use. He could do with another charge of web swing and faster recharge of tracers or becoming ammo based. Spidey is too demanding to pay attention to his resources, as he is a weak hero that needs them to go in, damage, AND get out. Bhopping is a must on Spidey, so you're always out of tracers.
His webshooters still do no damage and are almost impossible to hit Just watch Necros streams and videos and you'll see him missing tracers 24/7 You people always provide the most shitty ideas for buffs when none of them affect the core issues of his kit at all
I’m so confused why they didn’t make the web shooters reloadable. It would increase dps and immensely without adding extra burst, and that’s literally how it works in the lore
@@exodia_right_leg So freaking true, it's replacing the web shooters! I feel it's a change that will eventually come when the seasons hit double digits. But Spider-Man has less poke than Bruce Banner. 5 reloadable tracers is still like a 1000% increase to Spider-Man's activity and consistency of value.
Something to note with storm is while she was buffed herself, she also gives a damage boost to others, so characters like hela post nerf will still retain their 1 head 1 body 2 taps in her presence potentially.
every shot psylocke switches targets. she hits mags bubble twice because it is the only target in her thing. it hits stange's shield then strange then his shield again because they are the only two targets.
also i believe in moonnights ult each talon has its own, non-overlapping cylinder in the ult circle. so if you make each cylinder bigger you make the overall circle bigger
@@Astro_OBlol hes just saying necros literally got him good at the character. Youre reading it like "you got me good" as if he thinks necros is joking about the spidey nerf
So Hawkeye used to do (80 + 80) * 1.2 = 192 (384 critical) damage on max charge, and now does (80 + 70) * 1.15 = 172.5 (345 critical) damage. Actually quite a decent nerf to his damage, especially when combined with the passive range nerf. Similarly Hela used to do 70 * 1.2 = 84 (168 critical) damage, and now does 70 * 1.15 = 80.5 (161 critical) damage. Not as significant, unfortunately. Also, with Scarlet Witch, essentially if the target has less than 500 health, she will be doing marginally more damage to them than before, and if they have more than 500 health, she will be doing marginally less damage to them than before. This does make her slightly better at killing squishies, but one important thing is this makes her MUCH worse at killing enemies with huge health pools, such as Hulk or Hela in their ults.
You didn't watch the video as he explained. Hela is more squishy and needs more hits and needs to be more accurate. She also has hidden nerf to her range, she's not widow anymore and needs to get closer to deal significant damage
Oh wow hawkeye went from 2-tapping tanks to 2-tapping tanks There might be a 3-tap in there somewhere if you can find it Oh and lets not forget hawkeye still 1shotting any and all squishies in the game - but it's fine! If you have 350 hp and have not lost 5 health points at all before he hits you, you'll live! Live to get bodyshot and killed instantly, that is...
The reason why his shield pull up shows 1 second is because it starts the moment you put it down, so the shield still shows as active but the cool down is going
Hey Necros, do you think you could request the devs swap Spiderman and Venom's passives to START on wall run instead of crawl, so you toggle to crawl instead of losing all your momentum doing the minimum required animations to toggle to run? It would be nice if manually aimed slings at a wall with no movement input would also automatically transition you into your passive on contact with the wall, at least as a hero specific option. Combined with the above change, I would feel more like Spiderman and Venom's traversal options as better representative of how they move in comics/movies/games.
This ! With all the thoughts they put into the settings of web swinging I was suprised to find out that there's no way to change the default behavior on walls. Also love the idea of dashing straight to the wall if no movement input. Sometimes I just want to get to a higher ground straight above me but spidey just wants to swing without actually gaining altitude.
when games start nerfing tech that makes a character fun its downhill from there. High skill ceilings with games is what makes things fun to watch, learn and play.
Vernom and Cap America getting buffed kind of indirectly buffs Spidey by making dive better in general. Maybe that's why they are holding on buffing him
@@erikrulez17 then don't you think instead of wasting time watching someone else play games, you should be earning some money to get yourself a good pc so you can play it.
So the psylocke change was that shields and barries now count as individual targets for her ult. Meaning if a character deploys a shield like say Invisble Woman, or Strange, that shield will be added to the target list making Psylocke waste slashes on the barriers, you cannot block her full ult with a shield, you will just get hit every other slash. But at the same time it is a slight buff because now the Ult will actually hit people inside orb barriers instead of wiffing.
wolverine went from 600 with undying will to 583 with undying will, i wished they just gave him a all round hit box for his leap instead of just behind and infornt but also the side of wolverine
bp's overhealth is the least important aspect of his character imo, as long as u have proper positioning and good execution, you will escape. messing up your escape will get you killed regardless of shields or not
@@cernos7230 it was stupid overhealth for bp when u cant hit him and drop this overhealth. Storm hard to hit him with dmg 50 and his overhealth was 40 (like 80% of her dmg was for nothing to protect backline :D).
I like that they're doing smaller, incremental buffs/nerfs rather than sweeping redesigns and massive changes. They don't want to overshoot goals. I do want a Wolverine redesign though. He should be a tank with a constant regeneration rate. I think his claw base damage should be low, but have a bleed effect, and his regen should scale with the number of bleeds he's inflicted. This would focus on his actual super-power (healing factor) and play into his aggression. My philosophy on good character design is that if I swap the visuals for someone else, the moves shouldn't make sense. They should be intrinsic to the character. If they swapped Wolverine for Sabertooth or even Juggernaut but kept the same mechanics (bonus damage to tanky people, a dash/jump that drags someone with you) the kit would make just as much sense. What DEFINES Wolverine and distinguishes him from others? Regeneration.
Ain’t no way they let magik keep that bullshit but took spiders away… the hell? Yeah let’s nerf the 5 star difficulty character who already gets completely shut down by multiple heroes 🫠
How to change spiderman: if you hit someone with 2 spider tracers then you do abit more damage, if you hit someone 3 times when you web them up like his ult does but do damage as if they had 1 spider tracer attached. Ultimate should stun luna snows ult atleast
I'm not sure this is the case? Usually the anchor is the hero that doesn't directly benefit from the team up, but with the storm/torch combo it sounded like they both just make eachother's ults even stronger when used together
Bro they need to give Spidey an extra web swing and 30 extra dmg on his uppercut. He's going to go through hell tryna deal with Namor and Winter Soldier.
Can’t believe they would nerf spiderman, whilst virtually keeping Hela the same. Were they on the Galaxy gas coming up with patches? Also Hawkeye still looks rlly oppressive. Edit: the new increased size of the moonknight ult reflects the splash damage. If u look at the talons they don’t go to the edges.
each individual talon does damage over the entire circle meaning that the circle's radius went from 4 to 5 meters. It also lands faster because there are more talons and it didn't change duration but it does feel like theres less start up as well as a faster tick
There seem to be A LOT of stealth changes, from the Venom and Cap buffs to some hidden nerfs such as Hela’s falloff range. Weird as fuck. Did the intern write the patch notes?
Maybe it's to do more with the fps and optimization fixes that might come with ss1 patch? since we still don't have the full patch notes other than hero adjustments
What it looked like was happening with psylocke on strange shield was that it was registering the shield has a separate hit box, so it would dash between them trying to attack both as if there were 2 characters in her ult
Nah man… our boi Spider-Man needs faster cooldowns for his web clusters. 4 web swings or have it the same but faster cooldowns. 2 uppercuts that you can do back to back instead of waiting 2-3 seconds. The “get over here” web shot has to have a 5 sec cooldown instead of 8 💀💀💀
2 uppercuts in a row would be too much area CC, but hear me out: if you are swinging, and you swing again without touching the floor, the first cost is refunded and its repeatable, that way you get rewarded for mastering his movement.
The devs really had to do him like that? He’s hard enough to play as it is. Why take it away? Unnecessary imo. Just dismissing all the hard work and time spidey mains put into learning his tech. L move Devs.
Hot take, I think they should remove animation cancel move combos and just tweak the character moves. I don't think it's good game design to allow that because you'll have to either spend countless hours into playing the game to learn all that stuff or watch a bunch of guides. I think everything you need to know about the character should be found in game. To me, animation cancels feel like bug exploiting. Beating someone else playing Spiderman by doing that stuff when they aren't aware it's even a thing to animation cancel feels cheap. Maybe it's just me, but I honestly feel like you should be animation locked and have to commit. If it makes them too weak, then buff the character.
The psylock ability actually distributes 1 hit per target in range and from what it looked like it was now going to treat a shield or a barrier as a separate target check within. So in the footage you see her go from shield to strange to shield to strange. You can do the same by adding namor squids or Loki clones. It just checks for targets and now that it’ll check for shields and barriers it gives people one more chance to survive
Bro Magik used to have an animation that was removed from Open Beta, I'm sad they're removing animation cancels, I practiced the Spiderman combos too and it just feels lame playing him, just braindead when the execution ceiling is removed.
I really dont think spiderman needs a buff, as he would def become the best dps with even slight changes, the same way black widow would be broken if her headshot did 10 more dmg, but i also dont think that nerf was deserved
spidey is the squishiest character ever. He still needs skill to play even if he got a bit more damage... He is unusable if you play a team with any skill at all.
@@itsRobbie_i think ppl are really feeding their delusions with how weak spider man is, i dont think he is the strongest but he also isnt as weak as you guys say. He has the most mobility, same hp as most dps, higher damage burst output, and his combos are pretty ez to do other than the animation resets. The E is like magiks E, just auto aim, and the upper cut has like the biggest hit box on any melee character move, whils most melee dps have to waste their whole move set to kill, all spiderman needs is 2 right clicks, an e, uppercut and spme clicks, and u still have ur swings to escape, since they arnt necesary for his damage output, unlike other melee characters, whos mobily moves are OBLIGATORY for combos
@@carlota5658 Most spideys use their swings to close gaps in fights instead of using their E or if their E is on cooldown so you very rarely have spare webs to use. All those fancy combos are not very viable in real games outside of the practice range aside from a handful. "Same hp as most dps" but most dps have kill potential from range and/or have healing or damage reduction built in, especially the other melee heroes. Any amount of healing or DR applied to someone mid fight means that you are forced to back out of that fight. I mean, shit, when one of the top spidey players, Necros, says he is weak I don't think it's just people being delusional. I have probably around 80 hours on spidey now at this point and can also say he needs help. Just SOMETHING. Having a big hitbox for his upppercut or having an E that "auto aims" doesn't instantly put him in a good spot balance wise if his kit is still weak and riddled with cooldowns. And, uh, spidey is like the biggest offender for " wasting their whole move set to get a kill"
Spider man needs some sort of buff. Either 1 more web swing, more web shots, or like 15% damage boost or even a bit more health. It's not that it doesn't make sense as a hero to have buffs like that, he is super strong, durable etc. They just don't wanna buff him for some reason
missing that cloak and dagger can switch forms dramatically faster was criminal what was Necros doing... that has huge ult shutdown potential and survivability
Animation cancels are bad, they should and need to be removed for proper balancing of abilities and damage. Hopefully however after that has been fixed they can buff the characters that need it to compensate.
Yea it's so awesome to watch my characters arms snap backwards instantaneously. Why would they remove something that was so fluid and not a mechanically broken gimmick that wasn't intended?@@Astro_OB
Zutomayo's instrumental layering is so complex you could hear it 100 times and still notice a new instrument on the 101th time. The lyrics are also extremely creative as well. For example the bridge "shinpai senyo" means "(for) palpitations" in the first, but it's written differently which changes the meaning to "do worries". This is all while containing the same phonetic sound, so you'd only notice it if you read the lyrics.
Necros the change to Cap shield is talking about when the enemy breaks his shield. It is then down 3 seconds. Now the change makes it restore a bit faster. There can be “dead times” playing him where your shield is not up
I’m convinced J. Jonah Jameson is the lead dev in this game.
Fr
Spider-Man: “Mr. Stark, I don’t feel so good.”
@@BSJINTHEHOUSE420 Exactly bro 😭
Moon Knight's ult is probably faster because there are 4 more hands that have to drop down in the same amount of time as before, therefore speeding up the rate of hands falling.
Yeah. If the duration remains the same but theres more throws then it means it shows faster.
As a moon knight main i PRAY that it goes live like that
they could just overlap the time of each hand dropping, no need to make them go faster. either way similar result.
they're nerfing spidey techs meanwhile spidey mains are working harder than a single mom of 4 just to do the same damage a hawkeye and hela can do in like 1-3 shots 💀
Fucking preach!!!
Nah I swear bro
THIS!!
I almost learned this combo yesterday as I pulled it off twice in my last game today then I watch this video. back to bread and butter I guess GG.
Lmao spidey autolock oneshot is insanely easy
Watching him lose his mind over his chat being wrong about the Psylocke change was comedy gold. Good breakdown Necros!
Well hello there marvel rivals guides nice seeing you here
baited him for sure lol
Ik for a fact his chat genuinely thought it was a buff lmao even though the patch clearly said it was nerf
To be fair he was wrong too. It looks like it will now target barriers like deployables so she will use slashes on shields the same way she will attack loki clones or namor turrets while before she would ignore them.
Sounds like the "counterplay" to her ult will be that it will target the barriers, and a bigger variety of them, as opposed to actually targeting people
who hates Spider-Man more: the rivals devs, or the people that write Spider-Man comics?
Nerf a barely use character when the game is just healer and tank meta....it's almost laughable how bad that is.
@@HDGaminTutorialsyeah fr us spidey mains are hurting out here
Aye aye 2024 ultimate Spider-Man run is peak tho
@@Link_triforce3so the devs?
@@HDGaminTutorials Wdym tanks are the most miserable role in this game. 80% of my games me solo tanking, and Hawkeye deletes me in 2 seconds or Wolverine chases me for the entire game I bet you've never even played as a tank once
For context, Hawkeye could have no seasonal bonus, and they could have also nerfed his base arrow from 80 down to 70 and he would still be able to oneshot 275hp heroes
That cap shield change isn’t being able to put it back up faster it’s how fast it restores after being destroyed.
literally the first change he read he got it wrong
Are you sure? It says "after releasing". And he also just displays a corresponding change directly in the range.
@@LackingClover After cap puts his shield down i will begin to regen after 2sinstead of 3s, but Necros though it was the shield deploy cooldown
@@bodilston9336Oh well I'm the video it logs like the shield recharge for just putting it down its still decreased though
I dunno why Necros got confused with that, Cap shield is literally same as Reinhardt shield
The reason Psylocke ult, doesn't only hit the shield when Strange or Magneto have it up, is because Psylocke Ult now counts Shields/Bubbles as targets.
So if you solo ult Strange, it will got Hit Strange>Hit Shield>Hit Strange>Hit Shield. Because it dilutes its damage amongst ALL targets, which now includes Shields.
You don't have to track anything it's just the Ult's logic, that's also how it works on Enemies, it hits everyone in range once and then restarts from the 1st, in a loop
yeah, but Necros is having a mental breakdown for no reason lmao
@@Vzaj- because that combo doesnt kill. With the new no animation cancel, theres no extra hit and you stay in the air longer too because you cant cancel uppercut animation. Basically its both damage and movement nerf.
Pisses me off that her average level ult that literally could be countered by so much gets nerfed bro
@Kinster69 average level ult 😂 she can get in without being seen ult back line which is atleast 1 or 2 guaranteed kills and get out for free after ult….it’s literally one of the strongest ult in the game
@@ewhitey18 its really not , mantis and luna hard counter , same with cloak and dagger , not to mention its only guaranteed kills if you can catch people in it properly.
Also with adam warlock and an external healer its an easy counter , literally any character with movement thats further than a few meters gets out. Its an easy avoidable ult.
EVEN PSYLOCKE COUNTERS PSYLOCKE ULT
day 18 of Asking for a 1vs1 with Necros on Spidey
Bro that 1v1 would be crazy
Guess you will meet Necros in Doom match
You wanna settle if you deserve rank 1 title or rank 2? Lol
pipe down lil bro ur not him
Cringe
They may have technically nerfed Spiderman, but Hulk direct nerf is really weird, we all know his high ban rate and pick because of the team-up
Yeah honestly that what I would have nerf if I was a dev. I have played a few ranks game as hulk with strange banned and no one on my team went iornman. Those game I never felt practical strong or weak but now we will see
This patch note is kind of concerning. Apart from magik and dr strange changes, not a single other change was what the character needed. Its like they dont pay attention to competitive at all.
@@olofacosta3192Squirrel Girl? Hawkeye? Storm? All these characters needed what they got
Hulk is still underrated, good players are unkillable with the character. Hulk can easily carry with gamma shield and his ult. Fantastic team up with Iron man and top 5 mobility hero in the game. The shield breaking faster is literally the smallest slap on the wrist.
@mrsanguini5819 squirrel girl? Cool
Hawkeye? Not enough really
Storm? Doesn't address her actual problem(being a sitting duck)
If they were gonna nerf the animation cancel for Spider-Man they needed to buff him at the same time. He truly has no damage outside of his Web Dash anymore because of this. They should’ve gave him a dash reset on kill as well as some extra web shots or have 2 web shots refill on kill along with the dash reset. There’s no reason to have a 5 star difficulty character if he’s also trash.
Agreed, as a spiderman main I think if his web clusters recharged faster or having 1 extra thay would be fine
I'm usually against weird bugs like spidey jump uppercut being in games personally. I do still think spiderman does need a buff though. Honestly he could probably get away with like 25 more hp and a faster recharge on right click. He does actually get indirectly nerfed even harder though with the namor buffs haha
Зачем сравнивать стрелка с бойцом ближнего боя. Росомахе подарили 50 дополнительного здоровья. Но в командных играх он намного лучше будет, особенно против танком со щитами.
Но мне кажется всё дело в монетизации, на кого выходят скины, тех усиливают, на кого нет, тех либо ослабляют, либо не трогают.
Namor is so niche tho he's only relevant in higher ranked matches low ranks nobody uses namor
@@HDGaminTutorials they should be, he’s already so powerful don’t know why then buffed him
Its crazy, cuz even with the jump uppercut it doesn't = an instant oneshot, just gets them low and pray a teammate finishes the job
spidey needs an hp and dmg increase to become viable to average players. most people just cant use him effectively.
*Jarvis, remove Spider-Man nerfs from the game code
After all the streams I watched today it is SO refreshing to watch someone break these down with very good reading comprehension. He correctly interpreted every single change, and I don’t think I can say that for any of the like 4 streamers I saw break these down
Watching flats interpret gave me brain damage legit
Pronouncing adjudicator as adjunction made me wanna kms
Is this sarcasm? I haven't watched the whole video but the very first hero he reviewed, he already got the notes wrong.
@ captain america? How was any of that wrong?
@@thebukojoeplays but tbf the fact that there's also a delay time for raising the shield again makes that one confusing, I haven't seen anyone not think that meant the cd for raising again. It's kind of a minor thing rather than a "yelling at my screen, how could you be so stupid" type thing
15:15 chat is trying to say the circle is bigger since the radius of the explosions increased. The ult circle indicator had to be updated to show where you could still be damaged.
Makes sense. It looks to me that they are falling in the same places. It does look faster than before though. Or maybe I’m remembering wrong since it’s not in a match.
This.
@@ElfireIIthere are 14 now but same duration. They need fall faster to fit the 14 in the same duration.
I understand the double uppercut wasnt intentional but if they're going to get rid of it, they needed to replace it with something else.
Give me 8 web shooters to replace it
Swings back on kill web shooters back on kill and melee range increase and maybe a bit of damage on melee
Just give me 275 health
@@HDGaminTutorials As that's like his main thing they really should
@c1ro702this would be absolutely perfect.
Basically psylock ult treats shield as a separate entity meaning it will attk it once then an enemy then shield like she would if 2 enemy.
DANNY! Give us our TECH BACK!
It’s not fair
The thor buff is huge for me... As a thor Main it was almost impossible to get a ult down without getting CC'd !!
Believe it or not, Spiderman's health was 300 in the alpha. Sigh...
It was?! DUDE I can only imagine how much more fun he was with that health buff.
No buffs on spidey but a nerf instead is fucking criminal
Hes kinda cracked
@@6darren6nah bro how does Namor get a buff but spider man gets a nerf with no benefits at all, dude already mad hard to play 😭
Wym, how in the mutiverse is a spidey able to kill a winter soldier now? The best you can be is an annoying fly, that is if you don't get cc'd and nuked.
@@6darren6u don’t play high Elo than😭✌🏻
@@6darren6are you okay?
Holy shit, Necro's chat is actually single-digit IQ
I feel like they should give spidey another “get over here” like his uppercut. Along with more web shooters
Spider man getting a NERF is f crazy bro they gotta b trolling
Necros : Spiderman is so weak here's the reason why
Dev : Aight bet
Cant believe Lunas ult didn't get the nerf it deserved. Her ult needs to be 6 seconds max.
True. Another season of Luna mantis meta
should just be the same as Mantis Ult (8 seconds), 12 is stupid.
whoever made it 12 seconds isn't seeing the pearly gates
Just make it not cc immune lmao
Or they could nerf her damage like the freeze thing, so that she becomes good at one thing and thats healing, thus justifying her ult being strong, but then again shes gonna be too lopsided and easy to kill (shes got low survivability anyway). So think nerfing her ult to 9 seconds would be more valid.
Dude i was living and dying by that animation cancel tech, that cuts out so much complexity and disables the only squishy true combo without venom
Shout out to all the storm mains we already knew she was good
Honestly yeah, she seems like she would be shit based on playing her in practice mode, but in game I was able to get some pretty good matches with her while I was achievement hunting for her achievements.
@ she constantly buffs herself and the whole team she’s not as bad as everyone was saying
she was decent people just didnt position her near her team enough and try to play her like iron man
@ exactly she’s way better now
I think a good buff for rocket would be an increased fire rate with his ult for the team
maybe buff reload times for his teammates primaries.
I HOPE SPIDERMAN USERS GETS JUSTICE.. Feels bad, man..u guys cannot one combo a healer. The character also have a terrible web recharge and small health..
Petition: BUFF SPIDEY
The Magneto Team-up buff is just good overall since it removes Magneto's range cap. His basic attack is limited to mid range but with the team-up is suddenly becomes long range. So the small damage buff to it is appreciated.
In my opinion I think the best things devs could do for Spidey is re-work his webshooters into ammobased/reload i think how how consistent you’ll be providing offence when your other abilities are on cooldowns and you don’t have to re-treat away from the battle for your abilities to be ready
Or give him another E charge so he can have re-positioning or more of a chance to kill confirm these are fair and balanced changes that I Would have as they don’t make him completely unfair
TRUE, amazing combo is self cc and has a cooldown, so giving another charge helps for mobility use. He could do with another charge of web swing and faster recharge of tracers or becoming ammo based. Spidey is too demanding to pay attention to his resources, as he is a weak hero that needs them to go in, damage, AND get out. Bhopping is a must on Spidey, so you're always out of tracers.
He doesnt need another web swing, if he has too much of that he will be unkillable@@skarloeythomas5172
His webshooters still do no damage and are almost impossible to hit
Just watch Necros streams and videos and you'll see him missing tracers 24/7
You people always provide the most shitty ideas for buffs when none of them affect the core issues of his kit at all
I’m so confused why they didn’t make the web shooters reloadable. It would increase dps and immensely without adding extra burst, and that’s literally how it works in the lore
@@exodia_right_leg So freaking true, it's replacing the web shooters! I feel it's a change that will eventually come when the seasons hit double digits. But Spider-Man has less poke than Bruce Banner. 5 reloadable tracers is still like a 1000% increase to Spider-Man's activity and consistency of value.
I don't like to use spiderman but i do agree that must suck for people that main him 😔💔
you have no idea
imagine training that shit for a whole hour in practice to be removed by a bronze 1 strategist dev or smth
@nalced7682I was just about to comment the same thing lmao
for cap its not time for the shield to lift. they altered the delay before it starts regenerating the health
Something to note with storm is while she was buffed herself, she also gives a damage boost to others, so characters like hela post nerf will still retain their 1 head 1 body 2 taps in her presence potentially.
every shot psylocke switches targets. she hits mags bubble twice because it is the only target in her thing. it hits stange's shield then strange then his shield again because they are the only two targets.
also i believe in moonnights ult each talon has its own, non-overlapping cylinder in the ult circle. so if you make each cylinder bigger you make the overall circle bigger
W Patch note review. Glad you did this on the test server so you could actually show the changes
just wanna say you got me pretty good at spidey
It wasn’t a joke it’s been removed
@ what
@@Pickles_the_cat he thinks "you got me good" like "i was tricked" and not "i play the game better"
@@Astro_OBlol hes just saying necros literally got him good at the character. Youre reading it like "you got me good" as if he thinks necros is joking about the spidey nerf
The wolv definetly better hitbox, wonder if they fixed panther dash Bug.
So Hawkeye used to do (80 + 80) * 1.2 = 192 (384 critical) damage on max charge, and now does (80 + 70) * 1.15 = 172.5 (345 critical) damage. Actually quite a decent nerf to his damage, especially when combined with the passive range nerf.
Similarly Hela used to do 70 * 1.2 = 84 (168 critical) damage, and now does 70 * 1.15 = 80.5 (161 critical) damage. Not as significant, unfortunately.
Also, with Scarlet Witch, essentially if the target has less than 500 health, she will be doing marginally more damage to them than before, and if they have more than 500 health, she will be doing marginally less damage to them than before. This does make her slightly better at killing squishies, but one important thing is this makes her MUCH worse at killing enemies with huge health pools, such as Hulk or Hela in their ults.
You didn't watch the video as he explained. Hela is more squishy and needs more hits and needs to be more accurate. She also has hidden nerf to her range, she's not widow anymore and needs to get closer to deal significant damage
@@Viewahhhe’s talking about Hela during her ult though. Strange or groot would be a better example though
Hela can only 2 tap with headshots now, huge nerf. Body shots require 4 hits to land.
Hawkeye still a oneshotting beast
Scarlet did not need that buff. She has auto aim for God sake
Oh wow hawkeye went from 2-tapping tanks to 2-tapping tanks
There might be a 3-tap in there somewhere if you can find it
Oh and lets not forget hawkeye still 1shotting any and all squishies in the game - but it's fine! If you have 350 hp and have not lost 5 health points at all before he hits you, you'll live! Live to get bodyshot and killed instantly, that is...
Super surprised they missed the mark with spider they were really on point with the other roaster
As a rocke main I think that he needs a grenade that heals his team on impact and gives enemies anti-heal like ana
Yeah Grenade for rocket would be cool
The reason why his shield pull up shows 1 second is because it starts the moment you put it down, so the shield still shows as active but the cool down is going
Dude I just wish magiks ults ending animation got decreased its takes forever and feels HORRIBLE
Hey Necros, do you think you could request the devs swap Spiderman and Venom's passives to START on wall run instead of crawl, so you toggle to crawl instead of losing all your momentum doing the minimum required animations to toggle to run?
It would be nice if manually aimed slings at a wall with no movement input would also automatically transition you into your passive on contact with the wall, at least as a hero specific option. Combined with the above change, I would feel more like Spiderman and Venom's traversal options as better representative of how they move in comics/movies/games.
This ! With all the thoughts they put into the settings of web swinging I was suprised to find out that there's no way to change the default behavior on walls.
Also love the idea of dashing straight to the wall if no movement input. Sometimes I just want to get to a higher ground straight above me but spidey just wants to swing without actually gaining altitude.
2:56 your shield goes down before the cooldown timer stars to about two seconds
Was just gonna say that
The timer starts a lil after animation ends
Cooldown starts
1 sec passes
2 secs irl
when games start nerfing tech that makes a character fun its downhill from there. High skill ceilings with games is what makes things fun to watch, learn and play.
Vernom and Cap America getting buffed kind of indirectly buffs Spidey by making dive better in general. Maybe that's why they are holding on buffing him
Spidey is becoming one of my favorite heroes to play! I look forward to more vids man! :)
My computer can't even run this game, and I watch Marvel Rivals content almost dare I say religiously
How is that possible
@@SpectreMkTwo If you saw my set up....
@@erikrulez17 then don't you think instead of wasting time watching someone else play games, you should be earning some money to get yourself a good pc so you can play it.
So the psylocke change was that shields and barries now count as individual targets for her ult. Meaning if a character deploys a shield like say Invisble Woman, or Strange, that shield will be added to the target list making Psylocke waste slashes on the barriers, you cannot block her full ult with a shield, you will just get hit every other slash. But at the same time it is a slight buff because now the Ult will actually hit people inside orb barriers instead of wiffing.
wolverine went from 600 with undying will to 583 with undying will, i wished they just gave him a all round hit box for his leap instead of just behind and infornt but also the side of wolverine
that would be too op
Wolverine makes vanguard so frustrating to play. I honestly believe they need to keep him weak until we see a triple tank meta emerge.
Best patch note video I’ve ever seen!!!
Bro the cap shield just means it now regenerates over 2s instead of 3s when damaged, not the cooldown when you lower it 😂
Respect to ur editor, great vid SuperStickyGuy!
bp's overhealth is the least important aspect of his character imo, as long as u have proper positioning and good execution, you will escape. messing up your escape will get you killed regardless of shields or not
yup, BP relies on his dashes and moving too fast as a defensive option
yeah but with namor buff to his frozen spawn will make us feel that nerf
@@cernos7230 it was stupid overhealth for bp when u cant hit him and drop this overhealth. Storm hard to hit him with dmg 50 and his overhealth was 40 (like 80% of her dmg was for nothing to protect backline :D).
@@bit-sb5bvStorm has auto-aim area damage and her team up with Thor also just auto-aims to the nearest character.
It's mostly a nerf to bad players.
I like that they're doing smaller, incremental buffs/nerfs rather than sweeping redesigns and massive changes. They don't want to overshoot goals.
I do want a Wolverine redesign though. He should be a tank with a constant regeneration rate. I think his claw base damage should be low, but have a bleed effect, and his regen should scale with the number of bleeds he's inflicted. This would focus on his actual super-power (healing factor) and play into his aggression.
My philosophy on good character design is that if I swap the visuals for someone else, the moves shouldn't make sense. They should be intrinsic to the character. If they swapped Wolverine for Sabertooth or even Juggernaut but kept the same mechanics (bonus damage to tanky people, a dash/jump that drags someone with you) the kit would make just as much sense. What DEFINES Wolverine and distinguishes him from others? Regeneration.
removing spidey animation cancel but letting magik keep her stacking damage animation cancel is lowkey insane
Ain’t no way they let magik keep that bullshit but took spiders away… the hell? Yeah let’s nerf the 5 star difficulty character who already gets completely shut down by multiple heroes 🫠
I’m saying the same thing. All this change does is give him less options.
nice Black Panther play dude
Squirrel S TIER !!!!!!! what a jump
She already was s tier
How to change spiderman: if you hit someone with 2 spider tracers then you do abit more damage, if you hit someone 3 times when you web them up like his ult does but do damage as if they had 1 spider tracer attached. Ultimate should stun luna snows ult atleast
Storm is an anchor to Johnny when he comes mid season
I'm not sure this is the case? Usually the anchor is the hero that doesn't directly benefit from the team up, but with the storm/torch combo it sounded like they both just make eachother's ults even stronger when used together
I would assume to Thor as well.
@@bookoo995Thor is the anchor for her
Does the anchor get the benefit always or only when the team up hero is in your team?
@@bradleyscott6304 oh gotcha.
Your correck for the venom right click buff. Slow went from 20 percent to 30 percent i believe
She’s an anchor for Torch 21:55
Pretty sure Storm is an anchor for her team up with Johnny storm and possibly Jean Grey/Emma frost in season 2
As a Vanguard main, I am scared of Wolverine now. He is now a lore accurate Logan 💀
Ironfist Shift or 6th hit also used to knock Thor's ult and stop it haha
Bro they need to give Spidey an extra web swing and 30 extra dmg on his uppercut. He's going to go through hell tryna deal with Namor and Winter Soldier.
18:37 the damage is alternating to strange and the shield. I think psylocke ult count shields as another entity. so it takes slash when it was up
they should make it so racoon can heal and damage at the same time, kinda like baptiste in ow
Chat just trolling Necros whenever I watch´his YT videos lmaooo
that nerf actually hurts.... really bad. Nerf a b tier character while buffing his best counters and you have a nice unplayable character. Well done.
This was so good went over everything and showed us this was legendary thank you
Can’t believe they would nerf spiderman, whilst virtually keeping Hela the same. Were they on the Galaxy gas coming up with patches? Also Hawkeye still looks rlly oppressive.
Edit: the new increased size of the moonknight ult reflects the splash damage. If u look at the talons they don’t go to the edges.
Spiderman nerf but hawkeye and hela can still 2 tap you across the map 😭😭
Hela is not at all the same, Hawkeye is also slower
that was super well put, i am ready for my losing stream once the patch hits
Man they fix the overhead-uppercut 😢 that shit was fun and add spidy a lot of skill expresion
each individual talon does damage over the entire circle meaning that the circle's radius went from 4 to 5 meters. It also lands faster because there are more talons and it didn't change duration but it does feel like theres less start up as well as a faster tick
There seem to be A LOT of stealth changes, from the Venom and Cap buffs to some hidden nerfs such as Hela’s falloff range.
Weird as fuck. Did the intern write the patch notes?
Bro it’s all being translated to English and these are devs which already had issues with information being too hidden
Maybe it's to do more with the fps and optimization fixes that might come with ss1 patch? since we still don't have the full patch notes other than hero adjustments
36:24 black panther, magik, spiderman, and iron fist players watching this like how homelander was in the watching that one video
If no venom buff patch is cucked
Venom did get a buff
@@UltLuigi1 based
What it looked like was happening with psylocke on strange shield was that it was registering the shield has a separate hit box, so it would dash between them trying to attack both as if there were 2 characters in her ult
Nah man… our boi Spider-Man needs faster cooldowns for his web clusters.
4 web swings or have it the same but faster cooldowns.
2 uppercuts that you can do back to back instead of waiting 2-3 seconds.
The “get over here” web shot has to have a 5 sec cooldown instead of 8 💀💀💀
2 uppercuts in a row would be too much area CC, but hear me out: if you are swinging, and you swing again without touching the floor, the first cost is refunded and its repeatable, that way you get rewarded for mastering his movement.
@ damn I never thought of that !
@ so if you never touch the ground while swinging, does that mean you get unlimited web swings ?
Not having to watch Namor limp wrist his eggs is a huge buff to my mental. Dude can throw his spear like a rail gun but can't throw an egg 3 feet
The devs really had to do him like that? He’s hard enough to play as it is. Why take it away? Unnecessary imo.
Just dismissing all the hard work and time spidey mains put into learning his tech.
L move Devs.
What I'm understanding about Jeff's ult is that it will no longer grab you if you fly up out of it
Hot take, I think they should remove animation cancel move combos and just tweak the character moves. I don't think it's good game design to allow that because you'll have to either spend countless hours into playing the game to learn all that stuff or watch a bunch of guides. I think everything you need to know about the character should be found in game. To me, animation cancels feel like bug exploiting. Beating someone else playing Spiderman by doing that stuff when they aren't aware it's even a thing to animation cancel feels cheap. Maybe it's just me, but I honestly feel like you should be animation locked and have to commit. If it makes them too weak, then buff the character.
The psylock ability actually distributes 1 hit per target in range and from what it looked like it was now going to treat a shield or a barrier as a separate target check within. So in the footage you see her go from shield to strange to shield to strange. You can do the same by adding namor squids or Loki clones. It just checks for targets and now that it’ll check for shields and barriers it gives people one more chance to survive
Bro Magik used to have an animation that was removed from Open Beta, I'm sad they're removing animation cancels, I practiced the Spiderman combos too and it just feels lame playing him, just braindead when the execution ceiling is removed.
You HAVE to rely on bugs/cancels to be AT LEAST SOMEWHAT VIABLE as Spiderman, now you have to play PERFECT to not be reason of losing.
Lol fr, we gotta keep it up though. When they finally buff him we will be God's >=)
no shot they removed the double uppercut tech. what a tragic nerf, doesnt give me much hope of how they will balance spidey. gg
They done us dirty with that one thing that makes Spidey viable
I really dont think spiderman needs a buff, as he would def become the best dps with even slight changes, the same way black widow would be broken if her headshot did 10 more dmg, but i also dont think that nerf was deserved
spidey is the squishiest character ever. He still needs skill to play even if he got a bit more damage... He is unusable if you play a team with any skill at all.
@@itsRobbie_i think ppl are really feeding their delusions with how weak spider man is, i dont think he is the strongest but he also isnt as weak as you guys say. He has the most mobility, same hp as most dps, higher damage burst output, and his combos are pretty ez to do other than the animation resets. The E is like magiks E, just auto aim, and the upper cut has like the biggest hit box on any melee character move, whils most melee dps have to waste their whole move set to kill, all spiderman needs is 2 right clicks, an e, uppercut and spme clicks, and u still have ur swings to escape, since they arnt necesary for his damage output, unlike other melee characters, whos mobily moves are OBLIGATORY for combos
@@carlota5658 Most spideys use their swings to close gaps in fights instead of using their E or if their E is on cooldown so you very rarely have spare webs to use. All those fancy combos are not very viable in real games outside of the practice range aside from a handful. "Same hp as most dps" but most dps have kill potential from range and/or have healing or damage reduction built in, especially the other melee heroes. Any amount of healing or DR applied to someone mid fight means that you are forced to back out of that fight. I mean, shit, when one of the top spidey players, Necros, says he is weak I don't think it's just people being delusional. I have probably around 80 hours on spidey now at this point and can also say he needs help. Just SOMETHING.
Having a big hitbox for his upppercut or having an E that "auto aims" doesn't instantly put him in a good spot balance wise if his kit is still weak and riddled with cooldowns. And, uh, spidey is like the biggest offender for " wasting their whole move set to get a kill"
The buffs prayge are only to decrease his cooldowns or more web shots.
dude,do u ever played spider?plz go and try to use spider for couple days
Spider man needs some sort of buff. Either 1 more web swing, more web shots, or like 15% damage boost or even a bit more health. It's not that it doesn't make sense as a hero to have buffs like that, he is super strong, durable etc. They just don't wanna buff him for some reason
Spider-Man should be getting buffs, instead they nerf him? Doesn't give me much hope for the balance of this game
true dude
missing that cloak and dagger can switch forms dramatically faster was criminal what was Necros doing... that has huge ult shutdown potential and survivability
Animation cancels are bad, they should and need to be removed for proper balancing of abilities and damage. Hopefully however after that has been fixed they can buff the characters that need it to compensate.
Idk I prefer the animation cancels makes your combos more satisfying and cool looking to do instead of just bland punch uppercut
Yea it's so awesome to watch my characters arms snap backwards instantaneously. Why would they remove something that was so fluid and not a mechanically broken gimmick that wasn't intended?@@Astro_OB
Basically kill all mellee heroes got it. Just say you only play range heroes man.
@@Doflaminguard lol I main spiderman goofball. I'm just not bad at the game and don't need broken cheese tech to do well and have fun.
@@Cijil bro said he is not bad at the game but doesnt play mellee heroes. Thats why you are cheering for animation cancel of mellee.
Zutomayo's instrumental layering is so complex you could hear it 100 times and still notice a new instrument on the 101th time.
The lyrics are also extremely creative as well.
For example the bridge "shinpai senyo" means "(for) palpitations" in the first, but it's written differently which changes the meaning to "do worries".
This is all while containing the same phonetic sound, so you'd only notice it if you read the lyrics.
it shows 1 second, but its a 2 second cooldown
like every cooldown will show one less second after activating, example, a 8 second cooldown will show 7 seconds
Necros the change to Cap shield is talking about when the enemy breaks his shield. It is then down 3 seconds. Now the change makes it restore a bit faster. There can be “dead times” playing him where your shield is not up