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I was shocked to hear you call ADDIE and SAM something closer to a project management model because I’ve never heard anyone else be brave enough to say it. I’ve felt the same way for many years and have found that both models don’t work as intended in the real world. What it is good for though is getting stakeholders and SME’s aligned to expectations and accountabilities. Every eLearning/curriculum project I’ve ever worked on has been iterative because of the many different “opinions” the approval process throws at you. Even with an approved storyboard you’l find the development of your course doesn’t flow as ADDIE or SAM suggest it should. Your view on this makes me feel validated since my take on it is that it’s great theory but not reality.
@DJB, I agree. It was actually seeing the descriptions of models like ADDIE that made crossover between project management and instructional design seem like a no-brainer when I first started as an ID.
Both the video and you have put into words what I have been thinking. I can't understand why the concept of "instructional design models" includes both process focused models such as ADDIE and SAM and learning focused models like Gagne, R2D2, 5 stage model etc. Both types of models are important but they are quite different things.
Isn't this all just semantics? Spending money in business is typically 'a project', the methodology providing 'assurance' of the spend. I use a prescriptive Systems Approach to Training (ADDIE - in more detail) which is assurance focused, and has checks to and from the requirement owner, the requirement delivery space and the assurance of it all. My first key observation of SAM is 'how do you assure the constant change?' (versions, decisions, integration). If designing a course that runs for 20 days (in example) each change needs to meet the requirement of the 'system assurance' needs to be effective. Training Design and Development (methods and media selection) is where the Instructional Design would sit - the bit you mention where learning theory, styles and media solutions sit (imo). It's all the same thing, just different levels of abstraction depending on the need for 'assured' outcomes.
I discovered recently the Constructive Alignment model. It is a principle used for devising teaching and learning activities, and assessment tasks, that directly address the intended learning outcomes (ILOs) in a way not typically achieved in traditional lectures, tutorial classes and examinations. Constructive alignment was devised by Professor John B. Biggs, and represents a marriage between a constructivist understanding of the nature of learning, and an aligned design for outcomes-based training. The learning designer focuses first on intended outcomes (Knowledge/Skills/Attitudes) and devises the assessment methods that are optimal to determine mastery. Then they add the content and instruction methods that are more aligned with those outcomes.
ADDIE is important when working with vendors. It instills measurable milestones. SAM is better for new in house endeavours in which the team is not just implementing a new solution but also new processes. my 2 cents. =)
I agree with your post in LinkedIn, there are situations where one is better than the other. The worst is when ADDIE is used to represent a learning principle or theory. 😭
Yes! 100% agreed! Like I said, ADDIE and SAM are more like project management models, rather than instructional design models. There's nothing about either of them that inherently results in instructionally-sound learning content.
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I was shocked to hear you call ADDIE and SAM something closer to a project management model because I’ve never heard anyone else be brave enough to say it. I’ve felt the same way for many years and have found that both models don’t work as intended in the real world. What it is good for though is getting stakeholders and SME’s aligned to expectations and accountabilities. Every eLearning/curriculum project I’ve ever worked on has been iterative because of the many different “opinions” the approval process throws at you. Even with an approved storyboard you’l find the development of your course doesn’t flow as ADDIE or SAM suggest it should. Your view on this makes me feel validated since my take on it is that it’s great theory but not reality.
Thanks! I really appreciate that! :)
Totally agree:)
@DJB, I agree. It was actually seeing the descriptions of models like ADDIE that made crossover between project management and instructional design seem like a no-brainer when I first started as an ID.
Both the video and you have put into words what I have been thinking. I can't understand why the concept of "instructional design models" includes both process focused models such as ADDIE and SAM and learning focused models like Gagne, R2D2, 5 stage model etc. Both types of models are important but they are quite different things.
Isn't this all just semantics? Spending money in business is typically 'a project', the methodology providing 'assurance' of the spend. I use a prescriptive Systems Approach to Training (ADDIE - in more detail) which is assurance focused, and has checks to and from the requirement owner, the requirement delivery space and the assurance of it all. My first key observation of SAM is 'how do you assure the constant change?' (versions, decisions, integration). If designing a course that runs for 20 days (in example) each change needs to meet the requirement of the 'system assurance' needs to be effective. Training Design and Development (methods and media selection) is where the Instructional Design would sit - the bit you mention where learning theory, styles and media solutions sit (imo). It's all the same thing, just different levels of abstraction depending on the need for 'assured' outcomes.
Yesssss! These are “frameworks” that tell you what, but not how. You said this so well!
Thanks, Tarisha! I appreciate it!
I love that you brought up that ADDIE can be iterative! I also love that you refer to them as project management models! Love your content and book!
Thanks, Jeff! I’m glad you liked it!
I discovered recently the Constructive Alignment model. It is a principle used for devising teaching and learning activities, and assessment tasks, that directly address the intended learning outcomes (ILOs) in a way not typically achieved in traditional lectures, tutorial classes and examinations. Constructive alignment was devised by Professor John B. Biggs, and represents a marriage between a constructivist understanding of the nature of learning, and an aligned design for outcomes-based training.
The learning designer focuses first on intended outcomes (Knowledge/Skills/Attitudes) and devises the assessment methods that are optimal to determine mastery. Then they add the content and instruction methods that are more aligned with those outcomes.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you!! :D After reading the comments of how neither is good in terms of e-learning, this was very helpful!!
ADDIE is important when working with vendors. It instills measurable milestones. SAM is better for new in house endeavours in which the team is not just implementing a new solution but also new processes. my 2 cents. =)
Thanks for sharing, Ingrid!
Very clear and helpful, thank you.
Thanks, Shams!
I agree with your post in LinkedIn, there are situations where one is better than the other. The worst is when ADDIE is used to represent a learning principle or theory. 😭
Yes! 100% agreed! Like I said, ADDIE and SAM are more like project management models, rather than instructional design models. There's nothing about either of them that inherently results in instructionally-sound learning content.
Correct!