Office Hours with Victor Davis Hanson: Themistocles

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  • Опубліковано 20 вер 2024

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  • @babyboomer_butbetter
    @babyboomer_butbetter 10 місяців тому +22

    I'm 84 & have concluded that VDH is someone who acknowledges his feelings but "Thinks" BEYOND his feelings & does so objectively & brilliantly. He is a most unusual "blend" of human characteristics!

  • @elishevajones6730
    @elishevajones6730 11 місяців тому +143

    Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure.

  • @danoconnor3720
    @danoconnor3720 11 місяців тому +147

    In history, Victor doesn't just know what happened, he knows what motivated the players.

    • @coachmen8508
      @coachmen8508 10 місяців тому +6

      And that's a huge difference, anybody can recite dates and places

    • @christorpher84
      @christorpher84 5 місяців тому +1

      So What

  • @margielinn5409
    @margielinn5409 11 місяців тому +141

    Whenever you show on TV, UTube I drop everything and listen. Your brilliance is over my head at times but I love being stretched and learn so much!! I love your unassuming humility and your character. Thank you so so much for sharing your precious time and knowledge with us. You are appreciated and loved. I'm in my 80s but still love to learn.

    • @rdekemper
      @rdekemper 11 місяців тому +7

      Inspiring! Thank you….

    • @denvergearhart3138
      @denvergearhart3138 11 місяців тому +13

      Thank you for saying exactly my own thoughts on Dr. Hanson.

    • @jamesdonald7485
      @jamesdonald7485 10 місяців тому +8

      Very well said.......

    • @theresacoffman8133
      @theresacoffman8133 10 місяців тому +8

      Same! VDH is an intellectual phenomenon!

    • @What_did_u_say
      @What_did_u_say 10 місяців тому +8

      Just another big Thank You to VDH.

  • @livefreeordie3149
    @livefreeordie3149 11 місяців тому +83

    Some much you can say about VDH.... simply, he's a great American.

  • @milandragojlovich5500
    @milandragojlovich5500 11 місяців тому +92

    What a never-ending joy to listen to a broadly educated and confident man; talking and explaining…we need more, much more; may God bless them all…!

    • @kennyc388
      @kennyc388 11 місяців тому +8

      A glorious replacement for the likes of Joe Biden !!

  • @rlmarett
    @rlmarett 10 місяців тому +28

    Simply put: Dr. Hanson is a Gift, indeed, a Blessing

  • @rostamr4096
    @rostamr4096 11 місяців тому +43

    Loved it. I can listen to Mr. Hanson for hours It's a great story and an amazing mind of our time.

    • @TTFN55
      @TTFN55 10 місяців тому +3

      Dr. VDH is so brilliant.

  • @johnhughes2043
    @johnhughes2043 11 місяців тому +49

    I’m always awestruck at the depth of knowledge this man has to share for those that will listen. A true American icon and educator. VDH for president? Man is WAY too smart and has much more integrity than that. Talk about “draining the swamp” , would have the majority of the legislative branch realizing what pompous and corrupt fools they really are in a very short time!

    • @ronjon7942
      @ronjon7942 10 місяців тому +6

      Dr. Hanson is much more valuable just as he is, as opposed to being a president. Now, an adviser to an effective, responsive president…I could wrap my mind around this.

  • @What_did_u_say
    @What_did_u_say 10 місяців тому +59

    You can learn more in one hour listening to VDH than most high school kids learn in 4 years of history class!

    • @christinerussell1132
      @christinerussell1132 10 місяців тому +5

      Amen!!!

    • @MariaPerez-uv8mm
      @MariaPerez-uv8mm 10 місяців тому +5

      Ain’t that the truth!😮

    • @WinkLinkletter
      @WinkLinkletter 10 місяців тому +3

      Iko Iko!

    • @What_did_u_say
      @What_did_u_say 10 місяців тому +4

      @@WinkLinkletter chakimo fina a na nae!

    • @lynnhauenstein4136
      @lynnhauenstein4136 10 місяців тому +3

      So true...kids today are used to screen...They will learn more, depending on age and maturity. Listen to 30min...then call up 5 kids. random. To answer questions on blackboard...re VDH LECTURE..
      BUT OF course never will happen. Someone might get embarrassed...
      Just generating more losers..Sad but So

  • @randypandolini6506
    @randypandolini6506 10 місяців тому +9

    I have never been the kind of person that has been star struck with movie stars and never been impressed with many people, but I am always impressed with Mr. Victor Davi Hanson. What a smart, brilliant intelligent man. Alway makes so much sense. I would definitely would be star struck with Mr. Hanson. I could probably set and talk with him and have so many questions about life in general. Why couldn't Mr. Hanson run for President. What a mind he has...

  • @davidwalker1793
    @davidwalker1793 11 місяців тому +30

    How I wish I had been able to learn from such a person as VDH during my youth. His breadth of knowledge, wisdom and delivery keep me enthralled every time he discusses each area of his expertise.

    • @juliemunoz2762
      @juliemunoz2762 11 місяців тому +6

      Even better. You may learn from him now, older, wiser and able to appreciate the experience!

    • @davidwalker1793
      @davidwalker1793 11 місяців тому

      @@juliemunoz2762 it’s never too late to learn new facts and appreciate wise views and I certainly do from both his video talks and his books.

    • @davidwalker1793
      @davidwalker1793 8 місяців тому

      @@juliemunoz2762 That was actually the reason for my comment. His lectures, talks supported by his books make all these topics he explores so much more interesting that I learn and appreciate so much more from the different perspectives he introduces to history and current affairs.

  • @viramandybur
    @viramandybur 10 місяців тому +20

    The depth and breath of his knowledge cannot be matched …ok, by Thomas Sowell, but can’t think of anyone else…❤

  • @August84118
    @August84118 10 місяців тому +11

    I am deeply appreciative to Pepperdine University for sharing this Victor Davis Hanson series with us. His knowledge, humility and calm demeanor are character traits to be emulated in our society.

  • @rosaesle3340
    @rosaesle3340 10 місяців тому +6

    This CUBAN-BORN would like to congratulate you not only for part1 of this series, but especially for chosing Victor Davis Hanson, a historian, whom I greatly admire

  • @ladylyonteeth3952
    @ladylyonteeth3952 11 місяців тому +42

    It’s imperative, when teaching history to bring in the practical lessons which can be applied in the here and now. Then, it’s exciting and an enjoyable adventure.

  • @norichesney
    @norichesney 10 місяців тому +12

    Having graduated from Seaver BA History and School of Business MBA, followed by 5 yrs working there before moving the Europe, I am very sorry that VDH wasn't there then. Simply brilliant. Very glad Pepperdine is making his voice heard around the world.

    • @maggiealbritton8741
      @maggiealbritton8741 10 місяців тому

      Yes indeed! America desperately needs more emphasis on History in our schools! For if we don’t know where we have been, we do NOT know where we are going!

  • @mattd6086
    @mattd6086 9 місяців тому +4

    Check out the comment section for any VDH video and you will see him called a national treasure. I think people independently arrive at this conclusion. When people leave comments, they think of the highest compliment they can pay him, and it just comes to mind. It's not how he is introduced, it's just how people feel about this man, and he lives up to it every day.

  • @trishcote229
    @trishcote229 11 місяців тому +15

    Dearest Pepperdine University, Please note that, I absolutely love, love, love Dr.Victor Hansen. It's so refreshing and, gives me a renewed sense of HOPE, when he speaks. Not only is his intelligence, and, how he articulates, very important issues, much appreciated, his whole being is welcomed and, correct. Bravo, dear sir, for having this outstanding individual, as a guest speaker. Respectfully, THE QUEEN.👑🤩

  • @minutebooks3245
    @minutebooks3245 10 місяців тому +6

    VDH is a remarkable man. Broadly educated, profound insights. This man is sought after everywhere yet he seems unaware that he is VDH. As much as his wisdom I love the humility I see in this man. What a role model.

  • @bethb6568
    @bethb6568 10 місяців тому +7

    Ive been out of college for 40yrs. Listening to the calm, astute brilliance of Mr Hanson transports me to those wonderful years of learning. His students will always remembr him.

  • @Politicallyhomeless957
    @Politicallyhomeless957 10 місяців тому +6

    Wish I could be in that class. VDH is my favorite historian and intellectual these days.

  • @NotSoAlarmed
    @NotSoAlarmed 10 місяців тому +12

    His students are so lucky. Grateful for this interview/discussion 🙏

  • @thesmallnotesduo
    @thesmallnotesduo 11 місяців тому +10

    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If we all accept this truth. we ALL benefit.

    • @darbyohara
      @darbyohara 11 місяців тому

      Most people accept that. But they are too weak and dumb to do anything to prevent it

    • @michaelwolfe8888
      @michaelwolfe8888 11 місяців тому

      That old adage sounds profound but is false. Actually, power does not corrupt.
      The Lord Jesus Christ has absolute power, and He is absolutely righteous.
      The extent of a person's pre-existing corruption becomes more evident, and likely more cultivated, as that person has more power to wield. But it was not the power itself that caused the corruption. Rather, greater power enables a greater display of pre-existing corruption.

  • @harryaarrestad583
    @harryaarrestad583 11 місяців тому +24

    VDH , history in your face , love it !

  • @robertwilkinson8421
    @robertwilkinson8421 11 місяців тому +23

    I always make time to listen to VDH. He always has something Important to say and I value that highly.

  • @SusanH4626
    @SusanH4626 10 місяців тому +10

    I have learned so much listening to Victor David Hanson. I wish I had a teacher or professor like him when I was in school. !

  • @TheAlly04
    @TheAlly04 10 місяців тому +3

    I'm so impressed that Pepperdine had this brilliant man on campus. I hope those grad students know how fortunate they are to have studied under him.

  • @mode-e75
    @mode-e75 11 місяців тому +29

    What a joy. I'm so glad there are three more episodes to listen to.

  • @barb8255
    @barb8255 11 місяців тому +202

    If we were to go and compel/convince/beg a man to be president like they basically did with George Washington, I'd say let's pick VDH.

  • @stephensangalli
    @stephensangalli 10 місяців тому +7

    Thank you Victor, again!

  • @juanamora9513
    @juanamora9513 11 місяців тому +9

    A country needs to have the most intelligent best educated people. If you have mediocres and incompetence you regress. And you need loyal citizens who really love and will be willing to protect what they have!

  • @RickClifton
    @RickClifton 10 місяців тому +4

    Dr. Victor Davis Hanson is in the same class as Dr. Thomas Sowell. I don't have great admiration for many, but these two are at the top of my list.

  • @saltburner2
    @saltburner2 10 місяців тому +4

    VDH and Tom Sowell are the wisest men in America.

  • @richardfox2865
    @richardfox2865 11 місяців тому +8

    I'm from England; I can tell you that when VDH has any exposure on the net, thinking men and women stop and listen and consider his words.

  • @xldogg
    @xldogg 11 місяців тому +5

    A wise and brilliant man. Dr. Hansen is a national treasure.

  • @Ethan-bu2zy
    @Ethan-bu2zy 10 місяців тому +4

    Dr. Hanson is a National Treasure! So much to learn from listening to this man.

  • @joemccormick9109
    @joemccormick9109 10 місяців тому +3

    I’m always amazed at how esteemed orators like Obama and Churchill read carefully prepared scripts, Dr Hanson just rolls off an avalanche of learned knowledge as if he’s reading a script. I think I’ve learned more from his musings than from any book

  • @michellebaeza4618
    @michellebaeza4618 10 місяців тому +10

    VDH is a true gem. Priceless!

  • @andrewsibanda8550
    @andrewsibanda8550 11 місяців тому +10

    Great intellectual historic mind... a national treasure....

  • @williamturner01
    @williamturner01 10 місяців тому +3

    I grew up having a great dislike for school, even dare I say a hatred for it. This man made me like learning through the way he explains it. God bless V.D.H.

  • @jillgreen5288
    @jillgreen5288 10 місяців тому +8

    I love Victor. He is a brilliant historian. I look forward to Part 2

  • @hammerain93
    @hammerain93 10 місяців тому +2

    This talk reminds me of a quote, I think from Schopenhaur: "Talent hits a target nobody else can hit, genius hits a target nobody else can *see*".

  • @ainslie187
    @ainslie187 10 місяців тому +5

    This may be the best VDH interview/lecture I’ve heard, having a listened to him for probably dozens of hours in total.

  • @carlharmeling512
    @carlharmeling512 Місяць тому

    Prof Hansen has a perfect cadence for understanding and maintaining interest in his students. Easy to follow without stagnating over details or digressing endlessly. Having a theme and pursuing it with a depth of understanding and knowledge.

  • @tropics8407
    @tropics8407 10 місяців тому +4

    Fascinating ! 🙌 good to have VH speaking up…we need it 👍

  • @patriciakimball8150
    @patriciakimball8150 10 місяців тому +2

    I love that the arc of VDH’s memory and understanding reaches far back in history to the present. As a Jew, that’s exactly how it is for me. He makes me less alone. 🙏❤️

  • @keithehrman5490
    @keithehrman5490 6 місяців тому +2

    Speaker of the house.

  • @allenhamm1231
    @allenhamm1231 10 місяців тому +2

    VDH has mastered a thinking skill known as Integrative Complexity: the knowledge and ability to zoom out and see the workings and patterns that can impact the outcome of particular situations. This rare ability would make him a great President.

  • @dougmoore5252
    @dougmoore5252 10 місяців тому +2

    He is brilliant. I never had a professor like him. They thought themselves smart. But this gentleman is indeed.

  • @biserkabrito2582
    @biserkabrito2582 10 місяців тому +4

    I much admire the unassuming brilliance of VDH. I listen to all his inputs and learn very much.
    I follow and honor this immense scholar and teacher.
    I want to listen to his-Office Hours- series and all his teachings.
    It's a genuine privilege.

  • @AlexFillios
    @AlexFillios 10 місяців тому +3

    i am almost 80 years old and i stilll want to learn

    • @bluebirdgramma6317
      @bluebirdgramma6317 10 місяців тому +1

      Amen. I am too and love learning. It's a Great Day when I learn something new!

  • @Christopher-iu6kq
    @Christopher-iu6kq 11 місяців тому +8

    It would be interesting to hear a talk between VDH and Noam Chomsky. Thank you always VDH and Pepperdine University.

    • @TC-cd5fh
      @TC-cd5fh 11 місяців тому +5

      Hear Noam Chomsky! A pompous, self-congratulatory chunter-merchant. OK, might be good sport to see VDH expose him. Think VDH is the real deal. (The lack of smiling's noticeable. But I think I know why after the recent Uncommon Knowledge interviews with him.) Admiration & respect - for VDH (for the removal of doubt).

    • @lv4077
      @lv4077 11 місяців тому

      Chomsky? Listening to an anarcho communist, who’s known for his work as a linguist ,hypothesize about his hobby,self promotion and the destruction of capitalism,wouldn’t be my first choice.

    • @lv4077
      @lv4077 10 місяців тому

      @googlenazicompany5935 Coming from an apparent expert as you obviously are,VDH wouldn’t want to intrude on your specialty.

  • @jazerlights8870
    @jazerlights8870 10 місяців тому +6

    This is Brilliant!

  • @royolstad8532
    @royolstad8532 7 місяців тому +2

    Victor Davis Hanson. I am so glad he is around, he's paying attention, and he's a bulwark in the center of the flood. I'd love to take him fishing up in the mountains.

  • @graemedicks6938
    @graemedicks6938 9 місяців тому +1

    Absolutely Brilliant 👏

  • @toddtheisen8386
    @toddtheisen8386 10 місяців тому +3

    VDH is the archetype advisor every President, Senator or CEO should have in his circle. Reflective, methodical in speech and based on facts/history...all good qualities in an intellectual confidant. Too bad our leaders of the recent past seem to be swayed by social media and pollsters.

  • @chrismiles8822
    @chrismiles8822 10 місяців тому +3

    Love the NEW CRITERION article by VDH entitled Popular song as popular revolt about the Anthony song "Rich Men North of Richmond".❤❤❤

  • @Fivepointcalv
    @Fivepointcalv 10 місяців тому +2

    I NEVER miss a VDH interview/recording

  • @janesmith599
    @janesmith599 11 місяців тому +26

    We wouldn't be in this current mess if Prof. Hansen taught these cornerstones at our overcrowded public colleges.

    • @Breca
      @Breca 11 місяців тому +2

      Hear hear !

    • @pattyhansen7563
      @pattyhansen7563 10 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, but they would just shout him down & never let anyone attend his lectures...so he'd have to do them online anyway🤣

  • @freethinker1056
    @freethinker1056 10 місяців тому +4

    Thank you. It’s so refreshing to be actually learning from a real scholar who has no agenda except to enhance his students.

  • @crwmdp9
    @crwmdp9 10 місяців тому +3

    Man would I love to be in that class!

  • @corrinnereynolds4091
    @corrinnereynolds4091 10 місяців тому +2

    VDH what an incredible blessing to have him lecturing

  • @corrinnereynolds4091
    @corrinnereynolds4091 10 місяців тому +2

    VDH what a wonderful professor. I wish I had studied under him

  • @mbtvalli
    @mbtvalli 11 місяців тому +7

    Fantastic discussion and analysis. Thank you for sharing!

  • @oO-_-_-_-Oo
    @oO-_-_-_-Oo 10 місяців тому +1

    Such a refreshing voice of clarity.

  • @ceecee6679
    @ceecee6679 11 місяців тому +7

    VDH is an amazing human.

  • @appearingweekly6199
    @appearingweekly6199 11 місяців тому +5

    This was excellent

  • @davida.gorton7175
    @davida.gorton7175 2 місяці тому +1

    Most excellent way to spend 39 minutes.

  • @rick-hm3ji
    @rick-hm3ji 11 місяців тому +3

    As always, VDH was just fascinating to listen to. In this case, Mr. Peterson was also excellent in his moderation and questions.

  • @sarahjones79
    @sarahjones79 11 місяців тому +2

    Amazing America ❤ how vast and awesome your institutions are

  • @joemccarthy709
    @joemccarthy709 11 місяців тому +5

    The first task of any thoughtful POTUS would be to hire VDH as consiglieri, thus providing historical context for important policy decisions.

  • @kennethsnyder9236
    @kennethsnyder9236 10 місяців тому +2

    Dr. Hanson:
    The first thing comes to my attention is how much common sense he has described with words and why it’s not the norm for everyone! I wonder how far we have gone to behave unlike the norm! Hate has no place in a society, but it has taken over in just about every aspect of our life. We need to stop hating.

  • @melaniegaribaldi6724
    @melaniegaribaldi6724 10 місяців тому +3

    Love VDH!

  • @CharlesWhipple-x3n
    @CharlesWhipple-x3n 3 місяці тому

    Love Vic!

  • @timothyjones74
    @timothyjones74 5 місяців тому +1

    Long live VDH

  • @jroar123
    @jroar123 10 місяців тому +2

    Informative video that everyone who wants to learn about what makes a good effective leader should watch.

  • @obsessedaddicted7629
    @obsessedaddicted7629 11 місяців тому +4

    I want more!!! I cannot help being enthralled!

  • @nyosito
    @nyosito 11 місяців тому +2

    36:06 till the end is one of the most compelling commentaries I have ever heard about leadership knowing how to effectively utilise the skills at their command.

  • @daisywu7106
    @daisywu7106 10 місяців тому +1

    I love George Patton. He is one of the greatest generals in American history. I wish there is General Patton now.

  • @HoldenMcG
    @HoldenMcG 11 місяців тому +8

    What a great series this will be! I would love to audit the classroom sessions. Hopefully, the learners will come out as better leaders and go on to produce better results.
    My corporate experience has lead me to believe there is too much 'leadership' pushed on to every role and next to nothing on the value of 'followship'. If you've got 50,000 'leaders' in your corporation, you've got the unmanageable likelihood of going in 50,000 different directions. Sadly, I found that leaders couldn't make a clear distinction between leadership and ownership (this touches on what VDH mentioned about Grant's ability to write clear and succinct orders). Also, I could relate to the notion of having an open mind, to avoid not appreciating (or possibly fearing) what a others can bring to the table. It's a real blindspot to discount thier ideas because that person isn't what is the norm/expected (not the best dressed/vocabulary; gruff, curt or just overly passionate about expressing ideas). I say that because we were often hammered with the message to be aware of inherent biases, yet many leaders will discount ideas of others because they don't like (i.e., have a bias against) the person bringing the idea.

  • @grahamcombs4752
    @grahamcombs4752 9 місяців тому +1

    Brilliant as always. It is interesting that in 2003 on the eve of the Iraq War, the Wall Street Journal reported that 40% of the U.S. Army soldiers were from the South. The Scots Irish world (and I have that strain in my life) continued in their tradition of defending the country when called to do so. Today they have been alienated by the Pentagon from serving. Defenestrating statues probably has not encouraged enlistment. It could have been handled with some respect, or at least less relish, given the deeps roots of Southern military tradition; the Citadel etc. There is a decadence in the military that is easily swayed toward everything but preparedness for war or its threat. Plato: "Only the dead know the end of war."

  • @corrinnereynolds4091
    @corrinnereynolds4091 10 місяців тому +1

    Awesome thank you for this interview

  • @stephenabril7084
    @stephenabril7084 11 місяців тому +3

    Can hardly wait for the rest of the story.

  • @zacharysalazar7000
    @zacharysalazar7000 11 місяців тому +7

    The implied case for Trump without explicit call out by name.

  • @1caseyk
    @1caseyk 10 місяців тому +1

    Dr Hanson, add to your military leadership characteristics and qualities of the savior generals, the very unique and strange characteristics of the artist. During your whole talk my mind was screaming: the artist has this other-man and genius quality. I say this as a former infantry officer, and now an artist. We need artists to train our next civil leaders, and it wouldn't hurt the military leaders to train the same way. I don't mean the cultural follower artists of today, either. I mean the game changers.
    Inspiring talk and thank you for this series ahead of time.

  • @nicglau8803
    @nicglau8803 10 місяців тому +1

    I really enjoyed this lecture!

  • @katherinemahon9471
    @katherinemahon9471 10 місяців тому +3

    You can train your children to develop foresight by playing a game with them when they are as young as 3 years old. What happens next? If you do that what happens next? At bedtime, what are we planning to do tomorrow, on the weekend, for summer vacation. You can teach your children to create a future they design, by their choices. Then they see in their minds what the choices others make will cause to happen in the future.
    Military leaders have a different mindset about life and death. Some life is worse than death, and death to gain advantage is not loss.

  • @snakeolicous
    @snakeolicous 11 місяців тому +4

    Loved it very insightful thanks for bringing him on.

  • @justindominic2083
    @justindominic2083 11 місяців тому +1

    Niiice... VDH for President! ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @thomasc.champion4066
    @thomasc.champion4066 11 місяців тому +3

    Foresight seems to mean when someone has the ability to interpret a situation in the present moment with such accuracy and precision that conclusions can be derived not only about the present situation but the mistakes others will make in its analysis, thus adding a prophetic quality, but really it’s simply a very deep understanding of that present moment.

  • @bradquigley81
    @bradquigley81 9 місяців тому

    Brilliant

  • @johnclarke6647
    @johnclarke6647 10 місяців тому +1

    Leadership is boiled down to take care of my men, get the mission accomplished and bring everybody home. This is the same thing that I learned as a Marine NCO some 50 odd years ago and they are the same, today. Leadership does not change, even though people may. My favorite example is LT General Lewis B “Chesty”Puller. I once heard, great men have great sins. My late publisher hated George Patton with a passion because he said that he followed that SOB all over Europe cleaning up behind him. I met Chesty in 1966 when I was a fresh PFC out of Parris Island. My late uncle served under him in the first Marine Division during WW2 and Korea.

  • @corrinnereynolds4091
    @corrinnereynolds4091 10 місяців тому

    Wow what an incredible blessing to be taught by him

  • @cos2mer2
    @cos2mer2 7 місяців тому

    I would consider selling my soul to sit in a class with Professor VDH !!!!!

  • @MrBolshevik17
    @MrBolshevik17 10 місяців тому

    I'm waiting VERY impatiently for part two...

  • @rockymntain
    @rockymntain 10 місяців тому +4

    36:10 The development of the B-29 was a remarkable feat in itself, but the resulting plane more than likely helped end/win WWII faster than without it. It's main purpose was to be a long range heavy bomber. The plane was needed due to the lack of airbases near Japan. It needed to fly several thousand miles with its payload. The closest they could get at the time was to fly from mainland China. After several upgrades, like larger, higher horsepower engines, it proved to be a very useful plane in the war.

  • @kaisersoza7937
    @kaisersoza7937 11 місяців тому +5

    Awesome

  • @charlesmackey8179
    @charlesmackey8179 11 місяців тому +2

    Very enjoyable.

  • @erikvynckier4819
    @erikvynckier4819 6 місяців тому +1

    Mixtotesticles spoke wisely.