@@vcasella1989 Spirit has been bad since the start of 2024. OG had a decent Dreamleague performance and then turned to shit when EUW teams started exposing Tomato 2 heroes pool and Ceb laning phase.
Man, I miss when BZM wasent a dog shit mid, I remember even just a few months ago he was always killing it, now that first game he lets the pos4 batrider get more networth then the pos2 OD. Embarrassing. Looks like he’s just given up
Or like these casters said "Shadow Demon is a good counter to PL because of Disseminate". Joke aside, PL can be hard countered if you know how to draft
@@rac8153 Get off his D, it's quite ovbious Ceb is the one asking those heros. Misha and Kitrak never asked garbage pos 5 heros because they don't have ego problems like Ceb
Ceb used to get away with his arrogance riding on his excellence. I am not afraid to say that, he is one of the worse pos 5 I have ever seen in pro dota. Maybe on level of kuro. And somehow BZM has lost his form instead of improvement. Sad to see his downfall.
@abhishekanand8577 Him being an excellent player while being an ass pos 5 isn't mutually exclusive, like no one will disagree if you said ATF is a shit pos 1
@@xaxaxaxaax Can't agree more. Just like ammar and yuragi, find better teammates where he can reach his full potential. Sometimes, stagnation kills your talent.
@@mrsquadbot I think there is a small overlap but being good at a particular position does not make your good at all others. He can be great pos 5 in pub games in immortal rank maybe, but in pro dota, current supports are miles ahead of him. I mean, the guy does not even ward half the time.
2:40 lol wtf is this play. Zero enemies on map, right in front of enemy t2, zero backup nearby, alch charges stun right in front of morph and he just stays on agi. Why lol
Kicking yuragi when the issue is the coach is the problem. Considering bzm is like the only one left from the original iteration of young OG, i can see why it would mess with his performance
Dying 10 times as a support is suboptimal but whatever, dying 10 times as a support with Alchemist is the equivalent of giving away a divine rapier to the enemy.
I'd be curious to know Mishas input, I think everyone is performing pretty well. BZM is out of form unfortunately, hopefully gets back to his prime. Ceb is doing well at 5, still learning his craft but trust he can get there.
I think his approach is not good for pos 5. Forget his wacky greedy picks, lets talk about his warding. A lot of laning phase disasters can be stopped by a good warding/positioning of pos 5. But cebs warding is mediocre at best.
@@upgemynd I mean the guy is right. Wisper has an unconventional pos3 hero pool (puck, kotl etc) which OG never utilizes. They could at least use it in a drafting strategy but no, they keep picking boring meta shit
OG need changes. From Misha draft, Ceb feeding in lane to afk farming Tomato just to get solokilled by pos 5 Fishman.... Bzm/whisper had some moments but not enough to even compete with Entity. Ari hoodwink didnt fit with the draft, they seems to pick it just based on comfort rather than planned ahead Entity however were pretty clean, watson and No One are a good core combo. Off topic but these casters were meh. No hype, focus on superficial things and then talking 5 min about SD's Disseminate as a PL counter .... Disseminate is as much as PL's counter as Mirana's arrow or Doom's Doom. Hopefully mainstage gets better
I don't get it. They have poor results after poor results. Somehow fail to consider whether the problem is with this coach guy and keep changing the players instead. If a coach can't help team with good results, why he gets to stay this long with the team. Boggles my mind.
anybody know why noobfromua not uploading boom's matches? I feel like it's quite big since they never lose in this tournament yet. Oh nvm, I bet they will only if they match against nigma, tundra or OG.
Thankfully, there is alternate DotA highlight channel like LeagueofDota and Dota 2 Rapier which often uploaded a game between a lower tier team with a low fanbases. I'd go with those channel instead
Ceb is giving a lot of opportunities to enemy team like this dude's draft was meant for enemy team to own it in the first 5 minutes. His laning phase and warding is so bad it hurts to watch, wtf is that game 1 dude? Entity playstyle/draft is not something new or mind blowing either but OG seems to struggle to even stay in lane. Imagine your rival is pos 5 Bane in 2024.
What do you mean 'Bane'? Bane is lethal in the hands of a good player. The hero can trade, can disable, can reduce your damage and has a bkb piercing ult. Don't forget his enhanced night vision.
@@abhishekanand8577 not saying bane is bad or anything he also my main for years but it easily countered by many things and OG have many thing they’re very versatile in draft but they just don’t choose the comfortable thing always experimenting shits. Fishman is a good player and so is everyone in this tournament, OG seems to forget that and balls to play alchemist as pos 5 is just dumb, first game full of error that shouldn’t be there if they draft better.
After watching a lot of tournaments, I believe OG has the largest amount of haters of all the teams, mainly due to them being toxic in every single game.
I meant back then some so called “OG fans” be spreading hates everywhere, same case with old liquid too (Ti7); making folks kinda annoyed by em. While Ceb himself is quite toxic too so ye lol
I'd rather have Notail as pos5 instead of Ceb. Drafting is as bad as Nigma. If you watch true sight notail had accurate ideas. Kick misha, move ceb to coach then notail to pos 5
the things is... pos 1 players know what a good pos 5 is. Thats why it was so easy for notail to transition. He knew what heroes to pick, where to place wards, when to use skills correctly. Ceb is playing as a pos 4.5 he is likes using item dependent heroes, warding is sht, makes me appreciate notail even more.
Kuro: Why cant you play like ceb?
Ceb: look at me i can play like kuro ez
Outside of talking shit about lose team's performance, i simply find swiss stage is actually pretty fun to watch
Yes. It's pretty common in counterstrike tournaments. Dota 2 should use it more often
OG is such a polarizing team. Some games, they look like one of the best and others they look like div 3 team.
Which is why they are not the best, inconsistencies
They look good when playing vs NA, look shit vs other EUW and top teams. Not hard to understand the reason
@@rac8153 just in the previous tournament they were beating teams like Spirit and other European teams.
@@rac8153 You look very desperate to drop your daily hate towards NA as if you were european, when it's 99% likely you're a third world coper
@@vcasella1989 Spirit has been bad since the start of 2024. OG had a decent Dreamleague performance and then turned to shit when EUW teams started exposing Tomato 2 heroes pool and Ceb laning phase.
OG fans back to watching true sight TI 8 & 9 😂
Ceb is kuroky 2.0 making their carries lives harder than it’s supposed to be.
Man, I miss when BZM wasent a dog shit mid, I remember even just a few months ago he was always killing it, now that first game he lets the pos4 batrider get more networth then the pos2 OD. Embarrassing. Looks like he’s just given up
Toxic Ceb got rekt again
Dude ceb why did you have to die right at the start I wanted to hear kryptics theory about OD
Entity outplaying completely OG as a team. Gangs everywhere, heroes caught alone left and right while OG just farming and then its too late.
How to counter PL:
1: ban him
2: hope he is a terrible pl
3: end the game before 20 min
Or like these casters said "Shadow Demon is a good counter to PL because of Disseminate". Joke aside, PL can be hard countered if you know how to draft
entity looking scary rn
when wisper and ari gets tired of loosing and find a proper team. og is done for.
ari, you mean the one trick pony ?he's just as bad as the rest
That first blood in the first game is Trolled? 🧐
That Luna game 1 has no highlight. Just running around lmao.
good job Ceb, lmao
Kataomi destroyed enemies momentum
What the fuck is Alch 5?
Misha's draft. Its also difficult for OG to draft with Tomato being a morph one trick poney and Ceb heropuddle
it's the result of ceb's ego telling him ''i am 2x TI Winner i don't need to play actual pos 5 heros because i am just that good'' same as Topson
@@rac8153 Get off his D, it's quite ovbious Ceb is the one asking those heros. Misha and Kitrak never asked garbage pos 5 heros because they don't have ego problems like Ceb
Karma never fucking fails to deliver you gotta love it - 7fckinbad
Ceb used to get away with his arrogance riding on his excellence. I am not afraid to say that, he is one of the worse pos 5 I have ever seen in pro dota. Maybe on level of kuro. And somehow BZM has lost his form instead of improvement. Sad to see his downfall.
@@abhishekanand8577 It feels like bzm just accepted that this team is going nowhere and stopped trying. He must leave asap while he is still young!
@abhishekanand8577 Him being an excellent player while being an ass pos 5 isn't mutually exclusive, like no one will disagree if you said ATF is a shit pos 1
@@xaxaxaxaax Can't agree more. Just like ammar and yuragi, find better teammates where he can reach his full potential. Sometimes, stagnation kills your talent.
@@mrsquadbot I think there is a small overlap but being good at a particular position does not make your good at all others. He can be great pos 5 in pub games in immortal rank maybe, but in pro dota, current supports are miles ahead of him. I mean, the guy does not even ward half the time.
2:40 lol wtf is this play. Zero enemies on map, right in front of enemy t2, zero backup nearby, alch charges stun right in front of morph and he just stays on agi. Why lol
Overconfidence
what happen to bzm? after yuragi kick he was not playing well
Kicking yuragi when the issue is the coach is the problem. Considering bzm is like the only one left from the original iteration of young OG, i can see why it would mess with his performance
NIGMA = KUROKY
OG = CEB
Exactly!
haha, feed more
Back to root ceb, you can go as a coach , and build the perfec team
Dying 10 times as a support is suboptimal but whatever, dying 10 times as a support with Alchemist is the equivalent of giving away a divine rapier to the enemy.
Ceb does not fit support role. Why not give him the offlane
exactly hes one of the best pos 3 player
@@bojii3703 agreed. He was a beast as an offlaner. But as a support hes making alot of mistakes
Miss the old OG, now are just T.ASH comparing to them 😢
Typical Ceb... Tip the enemy, then, proceed to be bashed to death.
Nobody care anymore his "mental games".
He suckss.. He just lucky got carried by ana, topson and jerax on TI8&TI9
Why are they picking OD in Game 1, I face palmed that.
It's so underwhelming
for morph
its not about the hero. its ceb chain feeding from min 0
Alche pos 5 is the problem
Kick DM for this?
DM was really bad in OG.
That wont do it. The Team ist Just bot good atm.
And then losing to DM stack 😂
Bruh DM in OG only spam venomancer
I'd be curious to know Mishas input, I think everyone is performing pretty well. BZM is out of form unfortunately, hopefully gets back to his prime. Ceb is doing well at 5, still learning his craft but trust he can get there.
I think his approach is not good for pos 5. Forget his wacky greedy picks, lets talk about his warding. A lot of laning phase disasters can be stopped by a good warding/positioning of pos 5. But cebs warding is mediocre at best.
wisper's heropool needs to be used, stop defaulting to picking him mars
Well then tell Wisper to quit Dota if he can't even play one of the most versatile and powerful offlane heroes atm.
AmMars: And I took that personally
@@upgemynd I mean the guy is right. Wisper has an unconventional pos3 hero pool (puck, kotl etc) which OG never utilizes. They could at least use it in a drafting strategy but no, they keep picking boring meta shit
It's pretty epic to make a thumbnail with alche who was very useless and went 1-10
OG need changes. From Misha draft, Ceb feeding in lane to afk farming Tomato just to get solokilled by pos 5 Fishman.... Bzm/whisper had some moments but not enough to even compete with Entity. Ari hoodwink didnt fit with the draft, they seems to pick it just based on comfort rather than planned ahead
Entity however were pretty clean, watson and No One are a good core combo.
Off topic but these casters were meh. No hype, focus on superficial things and then talking 5 min about SD's Disseminate as a PL counter .... Disseminate is as much as PL's counter as Mirana's arrow or Doom's Doom. Hopefully mainstage gets better
I don't get it. They have poor results after poor results. Somehow fail to consider whether the problem is with this coach guy and keep changing the players instead. If a coach can't help team with good results, why he gets to stay this long with the team. Boggles my mind.
better switch misha and ceb, ceb have really good understanding about dota but his laning phase is just so bad
@@socrates1796 Kick misha, replace him with Ceb. Get a real pos 1 and 5 then OG could crack TI top 10
I don't understand why OG chose ceb as their pos 5 rather than looking for real pos 5 player
Advice from herald rank HAHA feeling coach amp
At least Cep is ok to quit 😂 unlike kky 😅
anybody know why noobfromua not uploading boom's matches? I feel like it's quite big since they never lose in this tournament yet. Oh nvm, I bet they will only if they match against nigma, tundra or OG.
True they only upload matches from famous teams for viewership
Nobody cares about Boom. They don't have a fanbase or legacy so why bother upload let dem win a Major or something
Thankfully, there is alternate DotA highlight channel like LeagueofDota and Dota 2 Rapier which often uploaded a game between a lower tier team with a low fanbases. I'd go with those channel instead
Boom esport literally too strong yet no videos about them
Nobody cares for some random yeller squad
OG❤
So DM just trashing his former team.
lmao (d) OG nice drafts
What happened to BZM he sooo stump
Ceeeeeeebb
Noone boss
What you expect from EU team that have 2 SA core and 1 hero pool support ari ? Lmao
Use me as spoiler block
Ceb is giving a lot of opportunities to enemy team like this dude's draft was meant for enemy team to own it in the first 5 minutes. His laning phase and warding is so bad it hurts to watch, wtf is that game 1 dude?
Entity playstyle/draft is not something new or mind blowing either but OG seems to struggle to even stay in lane. Imagine your rival is pos 5 Bane in 2024.
but it's Fishman"s Bane, his signature hero
What do you mean 'Bane'? Bane is lethal in the hands of a good player. The hero can trade, can disable, can reduce your damage and has a bkb piercing ult. Don't forget his enhanced night vision.
@@abhishekanand8577 not saying bane is bad or anything he also my main for years but it easily countered by many things and OG have many thing they’re very versatile in draft but they just don’t choose the comfortable thing always experimenting shits. Fishman is a good player and so is everyone in this tournament, OG seems to forget that and balls to play alchemist as pos 5 is just dumb, first game full of error that shouldn’t be there if they draft better.
maybe i’m just salty after losing 2 immortal while writing this. my bad gang
@@LXnobia I agree. It's okay man. Dota sure fucks our mood often.
Ari 1 hero pool player, playing in a pro team, what a joke. He literally can't play any other hero, and yet they decide to get him in OG.
forreal, everytime i watch him play, its always hoodwink lol
After watching a lot of tournaments, I believe OG has the largest amount of haters of all the teams, mainly due to them being toxic in every single game.
I meant back then some so called “OG fans” be spreading hates everywhere, same case with old liquid too (Ti7); making folks kinda annoyed by em. While Ceb himself is quite toxic too so ye lol
A bigger fanbase is equal to bigger haters.
Uhh you forgot about nigma?? Literally no one in their team is toxic but the amount of hate they get is next level 😂😂
One of the biggest fanbase and 2 TI wins attract lot of hate from fans from lesser region
The more TI an org/player win the more haters you get. It's weird
wanna hear some jokes guys?
OG.
Secret.
Nigma.
You are welcome
Funnily enough, OG 2-0 stomp the best NA team and Secret 2-0 EUE 3rd best team
Let me add Nigma 2-0 stomp the best SEA team
ceb always making basic mistakes bro why
1st😊
PL totally balanced hero.
cry more
Bro doesn’t know how does BP work lol. They choose not to be ban it
lul, 1k shitter spotted. imagine thinking PL of all heroes is OP rn
OG are dogs 😂
360p gang
whats wron gwith Ari? he played hoodwink soo many time and yet he still suck ass and the draft do not need that hero . what is this ? pub game?
Spoiler Block🎉
I'd rather have Notail as pos5 instead of Ceb. Drafting is as bad as Nigma. If you watch true sight notail had accurate ideas. Kick misha, move ceb to coach then notail to pos 5
I guess notail is really done with dota. Like jerax.
the things is... pos 1 players know what a good pos 5 is. Thats why it was so easy for notail to transition. He knew what heroes to pick, where to place wards, when to use skills correctly. Ceb is playing as a pos 4.5 he is likes using item dependent heroes, warding is sht, makes me appreciate notail even more.
Notail has no enough passion and hunger to play dota competitively anymore
@@urekmazino5125 Literally shit.
og loseing to a t3 team
entity is tier 1 team just so you know.