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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2019
- Dr. Furlan answers a question about what are the predisposing and precipitating factors for nociplastic pain (fibromyalgia). In this video she explains that adverse childhood adversities (ACEs) are important risk factors to develop health issues, including chronic pain and fibromyalgia. She also discusses some strategies to mitigate the negative effects of ACEs in children, so they do not become adults with chronic pain.
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Thanks Miss Dr Furlan for such a good explanation.
Glad it was helpful! I have other videos in my channel about pain and treatments ua-cam.com/users/DrAndreaFurlan
I totally believe my childhood trauma and adult stress caused my fibromyalgia. Those stressors were a huge factor, then add a health issue from early on not being able to digest cane sugar, the final was a pulled ligament in my lower back damaged ( I am hyper Mobil so I never healed wells). I totally agree chromic stress caused my fibromyalgia.
Me too I wholeheartedly agree with you
It is so nice that after having this disease for thirty years with no explanation for it and no real help, doctors are finally making some end roads into it and learning more and sharing more with the public.
That is great to hear. Please share this video with your friends. I have lots of videos about chronic pain on my channel ua-cam.com/users/DrAndreaFurlan And don't forget to turn on the notifications 🔔
Thank-you for this video.
It explains what I have been researching for years due to Fibromyalgia and PTSD, OCD, anxiety and depression.
I had parents die in my childhood, mother to a horrific suicide and had to be raised by extended family who didn't want me, very bitter and political. It all caused health problems from bullying and sexual abuse within the home, school,
bullying, never fitting in anywhere, relationship issues, self sabotage.
I have had a very traumatic childhood, mother was an alcoholic, my father, who I actually was very close to, worked all the time, he had to. Parents got divorced when I was 23 years old, raised my three younger sisters, one of them died in my arms 9 years ago, 47 years old. My father died in my arms, too and I held my mother, when she died, which overthread my boundries, but I couldn’t help it! I worked together with my father for 17 years as a carpainter, 15 hours a day, which was a very, very hard job for a woman. When he passed, 15 years ago, my life was in ruins, totally devastated. He was the man of my life. I miss him, his laughter, every single day. I got diagnosed with fibromyalgia at 32 years, I am now 61. I think in my case it is a combination of hard work and my childhood.
Sorry to hear about that.
Do you remember if at work?. Your very first symptom? I do. A slight muscle pull at the thoracic level. It didn't hurt . Just felt it's uniqueness. Very hot day too
I had very bad ulcerative colitis and was hospitalised five times over three years. The trauma to my gut converted to Fibromyalgia. I was 47 and had a brilliant but stressful career, together w personal challenges that precipitated this condition. This episode converted to Fibromyalgia. I have been unable to ever work again and it has been life destroying for me socially, personally and financially.
Trauma defs capable of morphing into Fibromyalgia.
Thank you again for sharing your research findings with us X
Some say it is a poor diet high in sugar and carbs . I have reduced carbs and sugars but still have pain in every muscle . As a child I experienced my dad abusing my mum . She ended up with a mental break down . When I got married I soon realised that my husband was abusive . I experienced domestic violence all my life and fibromyalgia
Hi Louisa, thank you for sharing that with us here. There are excellent mind-body therapies that work on these past traumas. Please talk to a psychologist or psychatriast who understands trauma-informed care and fibromyalgia.
@@DrAndreaFurlan Thank you
Developmental trauma may not be as apparent or extreme, but can a very major impact on the child and then the adult. It certainly can leave one predisposed to fibromyalgia and other chronic conditions.
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Dr. Furlan is an expert with very very accurate information in all her videos.
Great job Doc I'm gonna start spreading the word about the vast knowledge you have.
A big thank you from a community who needs you and appreciates you.
Excellent work bravo!
Welcome aboard!
I had a good childhood and no one in the family has a history of pain. I had a wonderful family and could confide in them. I had no tramatic events. My grandfather was an accomplished doctor and known worldwide. I was physically fit and always ate the correct food. I had a bad slip and fall due to someones negligence. My Landmark Case was the biggest in the country. Lawyers advertised on tv due to my court case. I was 38 and now I'm 73.
What is your point? You just shared a bunch of seemingly pointless information.
@@ponzo1967 It wasn’t pointless. She is saying what this person is talking about doesn’t ring true in her case.. she had no childhood trauma
wow, I'm so sorry. I'm sure you are so strong now and have many amazing stories.
Are you bragging, or did you just need emotional hugs?
Thanks again. This video was easy to understand. I've been in pain since at least age 12. I've always felt guilty that I wasn't like the rest of the kids in my area. I still feel guilty a lot of the time. I've made it to 68. The symptoms have gotten worse over the years. Still managing though. I do love watching your videos. Thank you for rays of sunshine.
I'm glad you like this video. I have enabled "Super Thanks" in all of my videos.
Why do you feel guilty for being in pain * not being normal in that regard???
Of all the experts on FM I do believe you are on top of the list.
Your words mean a lot to me.
Thank you for all your great videos about Fibromyalgia 👍🏻
my life has been non stop difficulty, and every trauma I've experienced has worsened my condition, it's reassuring to know I haven't imagined it.
Thank you, Dr Andrea 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for being a subscriber Maribel
Your awesome. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I appreciate that!
Dr. Furlan, after watching a couple of your videos I've encouraged myself to write this post. I'm a 57years old male from New Delhi. I was diagnosed with Mixed Connective Tissue Disorder with symptoms of SLE and SS in 2010. I was given Endoxan (Cytoxan) and Cilamin (Cupramin) for a little over 1year. To keep this conversation short, since August 2023 I'm suffering from terrible pain in my both legs - between the knees and hips, including them as well, to be precise. I was very active and was on toes for the entire day, suddenly when this pain literally has crippled me. As of now I mostly stay in bed and use a walker to go to the bathroom, never left the house since August this year. I did have pain in the past, but it vanished on it's own without taking any special medicines. Now it seems this pain is going stay here forever. All pain killers are ineffective. I want to know is, should I increase my mobility despite the pain? I need to be back on tracks, already I've missed a lot. Thank you, Chanchal Pal.
Thanks a lot Andrea. From Buenos Aires. Perla Velardo
Thank you SO much.....you’ve definitely diagnosed my issues.
You are welcome.
Thank you for these videos. Helping a lot. Wondering about shyness and if there is a root cause and/or if/how would it be related to fibromyalgia. As a child and up until my early 30's I was extremely shy- debilitating at times. Now as an adult, learning about my fibromyalgia and myofascial pain syndrome, and stress/anxiety... wondering how or if the social anxiety/shyness I had as a child is where my journey with fibro began. I also had "growing pains" and sore bones and joints (likely not actually bones or joints now I know more) as a kid. I was actually given a psych evaluation around 11 as the Dr.s thought I was making stuff up. After watching your video on myofascial pain syndrome and fibro and why people get it... light bulbs are going off everywhere for me. Curiouser and curiouser :)
Interesting comments. I hope you can find a solution for your pain.
Light bulbs here too since a child to adult but, I am diagnosed with this too as of few years ago, but on no meds as meds don’t do well for me unfortunately 😑
Thank you. Could you give advice how ca you help... or what needs to be done if you have it. Thank you.
This video gets me thinking ,retracing events of life some as I recall and others as my parents convey to me ....when I was 3 or 4 I was diagnosed with petite mal seizures. It lasted til age 11,then by age 12 with no seizures for a year my neurologist said I was free of epilepsy. I was on Gabapentin ,it was the last medicine I took before the seizures disappeared. Soon after I developed scoliosis, not related to Gabapentin because others in my family had the condition. Mine was mild ,I did not receive treatment when it was found. I did have aches and pains, stabbing ,burning sensations in my shoulder,chest pains when at rest...no heart issues all muscle pains, .Eventually leading to back pain. I had many "growing pains" as a child and into my teens and 20's. Always thought that was normal part of life. My grandparents and my mom said she experienced the same...they did not have epilepsy, others in the family did like cousins. So I think its true, to some extent these conditions are familial . However; I wonder if the Epilepsy was the start of the pain cycle in my life? and maybe what caused me to be predisposed to other things? Just connecting the dots would help.Now I have CRPS after a surgery which was needed after breaking my foot. And a 2nd surgery in the same foot due to the nickel allergy caused an allergic reaction and the beginning of a rejection of the hardware in my feet. I question now in hindsight if I really should have agreed to the surgery. Could epilepsy as a child be the reason for the CRPS today? Are there studies open looking for participants for research? This video prompted more questions for me and topics I need to research. Thanks for providing the insight !
Just another realization, I believe that is why when Gabapentin was offered as an option for treatment of pain that I decided to try to use that medicine , I do not want to switch ,even though I have side effects from it ,I still believe its the best choice with the least side effects .Currently my dose is 400mg 3x daily.But a side effect is not sleeping because of that medicine. How common a side effect is lack of sleep with Gabapentin because the bottle says it will make you drowsy and I don't get that way and I wonder why?
Hi Linda, I have never heard that epilepsy is linked to fibromyalgia. And I do a lot of research and read hundreds of studies in this area.
@@DrAndreaFurlan Thank you that makes me feel better....I thought having epilepsy as a child may have made me prone to CRPS later in life. It is just a coincidence that I had the same medication twice in life for different conditions, since my body handled Gabapentin as a child I felt better choosing it from the ones my ortho offered for relief of CRPSnow as an adult.
Thank you for these utube I have it and feel there is not a lot of help to manage also to understand it
Your videos are very informatike.
Tks
Glad you like them!
I use Cannabis and it really helps
Makes a lot of sense.
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Wow you described my life and childhood. No wonder I have fibromyalgia.
Sorry to hear that
Good evening Dr Andrea Furlan i like to see you vidio thank you so much giving to good emp
It's my pleasure
I worked havy job with mononucleosis. My doc send me to work he thout i was making thing up .that i had a fever for 4 months.my muscle are puled and dammage .myofacial pain all over my body .pain all over my body .i have no balance .still 7 year after no doctor yet in my country belive me im in pain. 2 year I have pain in my right eye...ringing in my ears..
Thank you,
You are welcome!
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Now we're talking
I have the worst case of Fibromyalgia in the world. I saw Dr. Robert Bennett at Oregon Health and Sciences University in Portland, Oregon for 11 years until he retired. I have him on tape with Maria Shriver. I set up the interview on TV. The first half hour is explaining what causes fibromyalgia and the second half is showing a surgeon getting brain surgery for fibromyalgia. It's very risky and he didn't want to live if he couldn't do surgery. It is extra bone in the neck that does not bother most people. However if there is a fall, a blow or something traumatic happens it can cause it. The bone presses on the brain stem and spinal cord. I have had Fibromyalgia for 35 years.
This struck me so funny as many, many years ago I read about a physician who did surgery and helped so many with Fibromyalgia and so I called this number * do not have it now* and this woman answered * thought it to ba secretary?* and she told me how the Dr does surgery on the back of the neck and into the brain. I thought she was crazy. I listened to it all but decided against it. NowIsaw this printed out and could not help but just think how it must be similar or connected in some way to the person I spoke to and that was not so fraud s I thought? lol Am glad you posted as thought I had the wrong number.
Dr. Thank you very much for your help and clarity. I’ve been seeing many doctors without answers to my condition. They’ve told that I have fibromyalgia. I feel pain in my articulations and sensation of needles and tingling in my hands and feet. Is neuropathy associated to fibromyalgia?
Yes, my rheumatologist said it is.
I'm glad we are doing more then just saying oh, it's all in your head deal with it. Do you realize how much that pain that statement has caused so much pain for people I have had to take care of. I wish Dr.s would stop and think before saying you need to see a sycoligist. They may not have the money for the vist. At 200 a visit.
Hi Patricia, Yes, I agree with you
I was physically and mentally abused by my boyfriend when I was 16 till the time that he was killed when he was 23 and I was 21 we were also in a bad car wreck when I was 18 and I went through the windshield I've often thought this was the reason for my fibromyalgia pain could I be right
Hi Brenda, sorry to hear that.
Hi..I also have fibro after researching for a few years thought I had lost my mind after years of abuse then 10 yrs ago a car smashed into me then more mental and physical abuse feels like my head isn't fixed to my body..now I have no life I can barely walk sometimes so feel your pain
I got my FM from my grandfather I had growing pains as a young person it all stop & came back when I was 45Years old. my son has it & daughter has it but not as a young person I was told it is a gean we are born whit
I am a male and I have fibro as if that was not enough I got small nerve fiber neuropathy, debilitating all times 😁
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Hi Tousif. It’s Sejal Shah. I believe I also have small fiber neuropathy with the fibro!! I am trying some new things which I will let you know how it goes!!💕💜🙏
I also an a male 70 years old, Developed fibromyalgia at 56. I also have small nerve fiber neuropathy and in pain a lot. I’m on 3 Loratabs and muscle relaxers daily. So wish they would take fibromyalgia more seriously.
Its all guesswork really. I've had anxiety/depression/pain/tiredness all my life. The first significant episode I was 5 years old. I was diagnosed as an adult. Speaking with my mother as an adult she had the same symptoms as long as she can remember, she was diagnosed in her 50's about 40 years ago. Is there a genetic predisposition? As for diet, I was brought up in the time of proper meals there certainly not much sugar and pre prepared food around, yes we got occasional treats and home baking. What do I think? A predisposition, and an overload of stress. And need to be honest with patients and tell them this can't be cured but treated - my mind broke
yes there are genetic factors which predispose a person to have anxiety...
Can diplopia (strabismus) be a symptom of fibromyalgia?
No, diplopia is NOT a symptom of fibromyalgia.
I wonder if none of the predisposing factors (except maybe age) and none of the precipitating factors are present, could personality type or lifestyle be the cause?
There are a lot of of people who develop fibromyalgia and we will never find any obvious predisposing factor. This disase can actually affect any person.
@@DrAndreaFurlan is not a disease Dr! A symptom of other issues, one of them could be a very deficiency of thiamine B1, or could be maguinesium deficiency, if leaky gut is present ( bad digestion, acid reflux, bloating etc...) the leek gut could be caused from a injury in the vergus nerve and with that injury many issues will arise. A person many not remember if she or he had in the past any trauma, but mostly like they did, even during birth and symptoms present many years later
Read my comment please, if apparently the person say they dont have any trauma before and symptoms appear in adults life, still the main reason are always the trauma, even at birth it can happen
@@ranicefreire2611 is there any way to treat it
Nothink to do with childhood what rubbiah
In many cases yes. But it is not in all cases.
Leaky gut is the cause of it, the digestive tract became so compromised that you cant produce enough gastric fluid, with that you cant absorb nutrients, with that you end up having all the symptoms on earth.....solution 1: fix the gut, cutting out inflammatory foods, and fixing the damage, Solution 2: hoponopono for several months, work on self love, self acceptance, forgiveness, self worth, and work on distractions of the pain a book by Dr Samos explains the process, you can be totally free from the pain. Maguinesium malate 1200mg a day, vitamin D3 10.000ui a day will great help you while working on the healing process. I'm not a Dr nor nutritionist, but I have read enough about traumas, psychological issues caused by trauma, ONE trauma can cause so many health issues for many people.
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So it's TMS can be reversed in time
The sooner it is diagnosed, the higher the chances that it can be reversed completely.
I have Polymyalgia .
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Purtroppo questo video nn ha sottotitoli in italiano, cercherò traduzione di Google. Buon lavoro e cari saluti dall'Italia 🇮🇹🤗🙋🏼
I just added Italian subtitles for you.
@@DrAndreaFurlan La ringrazio per la sua gentilezza ♥️🤗🙋🏼🇮🇹🥰
Thank you 🙏 for cc in Portuguese
You're welcome 😊
What about CFS.
Hi Lucy, have you seen my video about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? ua-cam.com/video/OCubrMAzEVo/v-deo.html
I don’t relate to any of what you’re talking about, could the drs be wrong about my fibromyalgia?
Hi Marcy Landon. It is not because you can't relate to this information that the information is wrong. There are hundreds , maybe thousands of scientists who did research in this topic and they came to these conclusions, not just me. What you are saying is that all these scientists are wrong, or are laying? Are you really trying to say that?
Why discuss only associated factors instead of toxic build up, calcium crystal deposits r/t nutrition, glycated proteins and other things that hamper joint movement and the hampering smooth movement of fascia against muscle in everyday movement? Fasting to autophagy and the use of whole body enzymes, massage techniques, and eliminating plant-based proteins (lectins, oxalates, etc., that are helping so much?
Regardless etiology a sacral bilateral dorsal root ganglion nerve block first month. Next blocking bilateral epidural steroid injection of the brachial plexus. C5 - T1. Makes for 4 shots additionally bilateral injection in the sacrum of the miracle drug nerve block. Six shots one office visit. Fibromyalgia pain is over.
Thank you for sharing with us.
@@DrAndreaFurlan it can't be like this? It is. Freedom from the demon pain in a single paragraph. Thanks for replying. I hope this message finds you. And somehow makes sense. The #1 CSF leak blood patch expert claims epidural steroid injection can only mask symptoms. Regional anesthesia is on the map now. Blood patches might require 17 attempts. Correct placement of drainage shunts might require 100 surgery's. These experts don't accept Medicaid.
Where do you live? And what kind of physician would treat it in this way? Is this your own personal experience that you are referring to ? I would love a bit more info. Thanks.
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I'm male and none of them issues so why have I got it .
In some people we have no idea what predisposed them to this.
My bloodwork at 18 on entrance physical to nursing program showed a MARKER by Rhematology Research scientist. It was called FIBROITIS 1964 ... MY MATERNAL GRAMMA had severe RA. .....I suppose yes I was always emotional.. ... No abuse or neglect here by parents At my age now of course I have had traumas.
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Same here. I was Dxd in the 80s and that's what the rheumatologist called it.
I just released a video about exercises for rheumatoid arthritis (RA) of the hands.
So what you are saying is I was doomed at birth to get fibromyalgia. Childhood was 100% emotional abuse. Adulthood, it carries on to this day. Work situation is just as bad for abuse
Hi Jeanette, I'm sorry to hear that. The first step to improve from fibromyalgia is to make the connection that those problems might have an influence on pain. There is treatment for childhood trauma, anxiety and stress. Many patients do not make that connection and they keep looking for another pill, or an injection or even surgery that will treat their pain, and these things do not work well for emotional trauma.
@@DrAndreaFurlan I learned early on, before i was 10, to wall myself off from the abuse thrown my way, well most if it. I didn't start getting sick, and progressively worse, after I came back from a cruise sick with Zika virus. It all started with neuropathy, ability to power walk, and balance. Neurologists I saw were useless cuz it was discovered I'm diabetic and they lazy diagnosis of diabetic neuropathy, one suggested CIDP, but the one doing NCV never did EMG and just said DN, but i didn't agree. Rheumatologist wasn't very good, made me feel like I was wasting her time. Neurologist dumped me and GP won't refer me for second opinion or to do EMG
Dr.Furlan what is fibromyalgia?
Thanks Jaya
Um doesn't fibromyalgia come from ebv and or lyme disease. There's actually an underlying disease for fibromyalgia
No, not really.
My dad had RA. My worse fear as a kid was getting what he got. Then I developed fibromyalgia. Life's a beach, huh?
J ai la fibro, le mal c est poche mais mon gros probleme, le pire pour moi, c est les probleme de sommeil et le fibrobrouillard !!!!! Y a til quelque chose contre le fibro brouillard, a cause de ca j ai souvent l air d un zombi, je tourne en rond, pas de memoire, pas de concentration, je ne conduit pas ....
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Absolutely Autoimmune Disease !!!
Who told you that, Marilyn?
I would like you to provide links to those studies about childhood trauma and fibromyalgia. I developed fibromyalgia after a surgical implant in my spine of a cage containing bovine recombinant RNA. I dispute your presentation.
Psychological therapies for chronic widespread pain and fibromyalgia syndrome
DOI: 10.1016/j.berh.2019.05.001
Childhood risk factors for developing fibromyalgia DOI: 10.2147/OARRR.S36086
The role of life stress in fibromyalgia DOI: 10.1007/s11926-005-0021-z
The Psychiatric Comorbidities of Migraine in Children and Adolescents DOI: 10.1007/s11916-021-00983-y
The long arm of childhood: The prolonged influence of adverse childhood experiences on depression during middle and old age in China DOI: 10.1177/13591053211037727
Greater exposure to ACEs is independently associated with higher probability of a positive dementia screen in older adulthood. link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-021-07192-8
This is not true! I had none of what she is saying! She is just another dr. Who blames on a bad childhood! I had a accident! And from that came this very painful disease
She did say that for some people a physical trauma as an adult can lead to fibro.
I think you simply made this all up!
Hi Marcy Landon, you are really offending me. This is the most offensive commentary that you can post on my channel.
Physical & emotional trauma is high on the list of probabilities of which are likely the direct causation that brings on FM / ME. I've been I'll for almost 41 years and I have been studying our illness. I was nearly killed in a duel side impact auto accident by a drunk driver. 4 years prior to the collision I lost my mom when I was 16, at 20 the accident happened, about 1 year after the accident I lost my father to cancer. 7 years later I lost my brother, 5 years after that I lost 1 of 2 sisters.
I’m so sorry to hear that.
@@DrAndreaFurlan Thank you for the kind words you made me smile.
How dare you..make that comment! The doctors talk was excellent! Us fibro fighter's face this negativity all the time! If you have nothing helpful or kind to say...don't say anything at all! Also good manners are free
I had a very happy childhood I blame the injections as a baby as I have had it since I was 3,years old and slept like a baby no abuse, was very safe none of what you say I have had was well loved fed very well rubbish.
Thank you for sharing.
Ronya, I agree with you. I developed fibromyalgia syndrome after having the MMR vaccine after having my daughter at the age of 26. My symptoms didn't come to full fruition until I was 33 years old. This has nothing to do with childhood traumas, it's to do with all the vaccines given to children. Xxxx
Pourquoi la traduction en arabe?
What do you mean?
Hiyou are very Beautiful slim Beauty
Thank you
Unfortunately, it seems, that Andrea has never suffered from it !
Hi Andrew, this is a very disturbing comment, and you offended me. Since when does a doctor need to have a disease to be an expert in it? I studied 30 years and have seen thousands of people with chronic pain. I have more than 37 million views on this channel and many comments confirming that I have helped people.
Well said
@chrisoldfield5204 I have treated hundreds of people with fibromyalgia. A doctor does not need to have a disease to know about the disease. We do need to hear and emphatic, but it is not the same thing as having the disease.
I am not sure if you’re expanding on your comment to Andrew or responding to me - when I put «
well said « I was referring to your initial response to him not his comment - sorry for the confusion.