Schumann: Violinkonzert ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Sayaka Shoji ∙ Constantinos Carydis

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  • Robert Schumann:
    Violinkonzert d-Moll ∙
    I. In kräftigem, nicht zu schnellem Tempo 00:00 ∙
    II. Langsam 15:13 ∙
    III. Lebhaft, doch nicht schnell 20:53 ∙
    hr-Sinfonieorchester - Frankfurt Radio Symphony ∙
    Sayaka Shoji, Violine ∙
    Constantinos Carydis, Dirigent ∙
    hr-Sinfoniekonzert ∙
    Alte Oper Frankfurt, 26. Januar 2024 ∙
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 85

  • @lugo196234
    @lugo196234 Місяць тому +9

    This violinist is one of those who transmit something. He has such a warm, high-flying sound that is the best there is today.

  • @markovelikonja5399
    @markovelikonja5399 2 місяці тому +28

    She's a wonderful violinist and her UA-cam videos have millions of views. I'm surprised that she never seems to have played with the local orchestra anywhere I've lived. Hats off to the Frankfurt Radio Symphony for engaging her.

    • @belmarmom
      @belmarmom 2 місяці тому +7

      Sayaka is a first class violinist.

    • @yawenliu6648
      @yawenliu6648 2 місяці тому +3

      I live in NYC, we have A LOT of violinists coming here to perform. She came many years ago to perform with the NYPhil and on a small stage at Carnegie Hall. In 2019, I went to Washington DC to attend her recital at a private mansion. I would never forget that night, in fact i got to tell her how amazing she was after the concert. It seems the biggest myth to me that she doesn't get invited to NYC these days. She is phenomenal musician!

  • @h-mh93
    @h-mh93 2 місяці тому +28

    Truly extraordinary - I am delighted by the sound of the violin - clear, crisp, emotional - without once being sentimental, virtuoso without grand-standing. Perfect tempi for the 3rd set - the bow string dances the polonoaise and the legs wan to follow. I heard so many recordings were they want to take this too fast! I hope we see more of this great violinist in Frankfurt. The orchestra performs flawless as ever - the conductor is superb - I will have to save this to my favorites right away! BRAVO

  • @user-jm8km3hq5l
    @user-jm8km3hq5l 2 місяці тому +22

    I personally consider this recording is my reference recording of this piece from now on. The best I've ever heard.

    • @yawenliu6648
      @yawenliu6648 Місяць тому +1

      Her other recordings of major violin concertos and sonatas are also spectacular, Brahms, Prokofiev, Paganini, Shostakovich, Sibelius, Ligeti ...

    • @user-jm8km3hq5l
      @user-jm8km3hq5l Місяць тому +1

      @@yawenliu6648 Indeed, I love her Shostakovich 1&2 album from 2012. I see her program this year she will play No.1 with Esa-Pekka Salonen / SF Symphony, very well deserved.

  • @user-ux6cj9yj5u
    @user-ux6cj9yj5u 28 днів тому +4

    色んな方の演奏を聞いていつも第三楽章のところでなにか物足りなさを感じていたのですが、今回、こんなに明るく、キレが良くて美しい曲だったんだと実感しました。第二楽章の美しさは本当に心に染み入ります。素敵な演奏に感謝。

  • @shin-i-chikozima
    @shin-i-chikozima 2 місяці тому +10

    Just listening to her wonderful and graceful performance makes I forget about the trouble and annoyances of this transient world

  • @rafaelernestorosabal8734
    @rafaelernestorosabal8734 2 місяці тому +13

    The pleasure of discovering an unknown piece from a known and beloved composer is increasingly rare as you become older!!

  • @DanielKRui
    @DanielKRui 4 дні тому +1

    The opening of the 3rd movement is very memorable. It got stuck in my head and I didn't remember the piece, but I knew I had listened to this piece recently and remembered liking it, so I guessed. And I got it right!

  • @yoneshima123
    @yoneshima123 Місяць тому +13

    Anyone who can say whether this work is good or bad is probably someone who doesn't know the beauty and spiritual dynamism of the composer's portrayal of his own life in musical notes, and the musician's reproduction of it in the sound of the notes. This record, in which Schumann's emotional pain and suffering are so beautifully expressed in his work and beautifully reproduced through his performances, is a treasure to us.

  • @robertmanno5749
    @robertmanno5749 2 місяці тому +12

    A very difficult concerto to successfully make congeal, for soloist, conductor and orchestra.This is a superb performance.The Langsam is one of my very favorite slow movements in the entire concerto repertoire.

  • @tomo-cx2ek
    @tomo-cx2ek Місяць тому +6

    Extremely perfect Schumann. Precious.

  • @Dwchidwchi
    @Dwchidwchi 2 місяці тому +18

    World-class violin playing, gorgeous sound and noble musicianship

  • @washingtonferreirateles9451
    @washingtonferreirateles9451 2 місяці тому +21

    It's such a shame that this work is so neglegted. It should stand on the same level as Bruch and Mendelsohn.
    The fact that Schumann was able to compose such a beautiful and profound piece while being deeply troubled by his disease is almost a miracle.
    Also, this is the best recording since Menuhin's in 1938.

  • @theoldar
    @theoldar 2 місяці тому +50

    This is a mysteriously neglected work. It speaks very deeply to Schumann's pain.

    • @aysaraktimur2064
      @aysaraktimur2064 2 місяці тому +4

      It is not misterious! Both Joachim and Clara heavily suppressed the work, stating that the work reflects Schumann’s deepening psychosis. Although this assessment is true to a certain extend, since the music’s dark tone and obsessive repetitions can attest that, the concerto in fact masterfully constructed and thematic material, flow of music, and orchestration are not so different from Schuman’s other major works, especially Symphony No.2 can be seen as closely related. Unfortunately, both Joachim and Clara were so influential that their negative opinions and heavy suppression took very long time to be neutralized. Therefore, this wonderful piece of music with philosophical depths has started to receive performances and recordings more and more often only lately. One other good point is that the performers quit performing the cut version, and today it is almost always played in uncut version.
      Isn’t the second movement one of the most beautiful and touching slow movements in violin concerto literature. Although it is both melodically and structurally quite different, it still reminds me the slow movement of Tchaikovsky’s violin concerto. Probably the difference is that, while Tchaikovsky’s slow movement is more elegiac, like an elegy, Schumann’s slow movement infused heavily with desolation and sadness, sorrow.

    • @theoldar
      @theoldar 2 місяці тому

      @@aysaraktimur2064 I understand why it was suppressed at the time. What I don't understand is why it hasn't become more popular in the century since it was first performed.

    • @resorcinolamide
      @resorcinolamide 2 місяці тому +1

      From what I’ve read this concerto is getting more recognition recently. It’s been performed more by orchestras, but due to the piece being incomplete it is not met with positive opinions.

    • @aysaraktimur2064
      @aysaraktimur2064 2 місяці тому +1

      @@resorcinolamide No! The piece was complete! It was Joachim’s and Clara’s negative opinions and suppression of the piece that caused it. It is in the history, now; we are lucky enough for being able to listen to this beautiful piece of music in full. 😇

    • @morisoba2550
      @morisoba2550 Місяць тому +2

      I guess Paradise and the Peri is more neglected than this work.

  • @TAKIN-kn5rh
    @TAKIN-kn5rh 2 місяці тому +7

    The most convincing version of this concerto. Great.

  • @sbphotography3751
    @sbphotography3751 Місяць тому +4

    What a lovely performance of this underrated concerto - so nice to see a soloist who doesn't have to rely on a score!

    • @user-jm8km3hq5l
      @user-jm8km3hq5l 21 день тому

      I don't think she's not on the score. Simply her best execution beyond other violinists ever performed.

  • @jameschicken1008
    @jameschicken1008 2 місяці тому +4

    so lovely to hear one of my favourite violinists playing one of my favourite but also under rated concertos in the repertoire

  • @notarbolz926
    @notarbolz926 2 місяці тому +9

    Bewegende und wunderschöne Aufführung dieses romantisch doch meisterhaft komponierten Violinkonzerts mit seidigem und fabelhaftem Klang der virtuosen Soloviolinistin und perfekt entsprechenden Tönen des hr-Sinfonieorchesters. Der kluge Maestro leitet das erfahrene Orchester im gut phrasierten Tempo und mit geschickt analysierter Dynamik und Agogik. Wahrlich wunderbar!

    • @peterparsifal1687
      @peterparsifal1687 2 місяці тому +3

      Ein Tempo gut zu phrasieren, das ist wirkliche Kunst. Wenn das Herr Riemann gewusst hätte.

  • @sergioalves5278
    @sergioalves5278 2 місяці тому +4

    Good morning, thanks. From Brasil.

  • @teresadombek30
    @teresadombek30 22 дні тому

    That is a beautiful, crispy and so sensual interpretation of this stunning concerto.

  • @notaire2
    @notaire2 2 місяці тому +6

    Wunderschöne und lebhafte Aufführung dieses romantischen und perfekt komponierten Konzerts mit seidigem doch gut phrasiertem Ton der genialen Solovioline sowie gut harmonisierten und perfekt entsprechenden Tönen der anderen Instrumente. Der zweite Satz klingt besonders schön und echt melodisch. Im Kontrast klingt der dritte Satz echt lebhaft und auch überzeugend. Der intelligente und ebenso geniale Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im veränderlichen Tempo und mit möglichst effektiver Dynamik. Alles ist wunderbar!

  • @tubule22857
    @tubule22857 2 місяці тому +6

    I've never heard of Schumann’s violin concerto before.

    • @felipeeduardodelarosabocan2356
      @felipeeduardodelarosabocan2356 2 місяці тому +9

      It has a very sad history. It was one of the last compositions by Schumann, and Joachim to whom it was dedicated considered to keep the work without publishing when 4 months later Schumann attempted suicide. Later, Schumann said that the melody of the slow movement (a very sweet one) was dictated to him by the spirits of Mendelssohn and Schubert. In his will, Joachim stated that it shouldn't be published nor played until after 100 years of Schumann death. However, relatives of the violinst 30 years before the expected date said that the spirit of Schumann told them to publish and play it. So at that time it was for the first time played for an audience.

  • @aysaraktimur2064
    @aysaraktimur2064 2 місяці тому +4

    Isn’t the second movement one of the most beautiful and touching slow movements in violin concerto literature. Although it is both melodically and structurally quite different, it still reminds me the slow movement of Tchaikovsky’s violin concerto. Probably the difference is that, while Tchaikovsky’s slow movement is more elegiac, like an elegy, Schumann’s slow movement infused heavily with desolation and sadness, sorrow.

  • @MH-jg1ef
    @MH-jg1ef 2 місяці тому +1

    love❤

  • @user-ur1ke5zc3j
    @user-ur1ke5zc3j Місяць тому +1

    シューマンのバイオリン協奏曲なかなかいいですね。

  • @Discovery_and_Change
    @Discovery_and_Change 3 дні тому +1

    1st movement
    0:04 begins | 1:46 build up | 9:09 build up |
    15:10
    2nd movement |

  • @changchp
    @changchp 2 місяці тому +3

    How much idia did Brahms take from this concerto when he wrote his world peak D Major?

  • @khlee9071
    @khlee9071 2 місяці тому +4

    I would think Ms. Shoji is playing a viola if I just look at a picture, It seems quite big.

    • @palladin331
      @palladin331 2 місяці тому

      It's a standard size Strad. Her frame is quite small.

  • @kiyusu2140
    @kiyusu2140 2 місяці тому +1

    🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌❤❤

  • @user-jm8km3hq5l
    @user-jm8km3hq5l 2 місяці тому +1

    21.40 the oboe lady 😊

  • @marcelouz1
    @marcelouz1 2 місяці тому +2

    This is an extraordinary masterpiece for violin and orchestra, I've never heard it i, s noticed that Schubert open the way for the future violin concertos between the romanticism and post romanticism, Beethoven had reason to say that this young composer has the " Devine spark "

    • @h-mh93
      @h-mh93 2 місяці тому +5

      Robert Schuhmann - not Franz Schubert! Schubert has not written a Violin concerto sadly - to my knowledge.

  • @aysaraktimur2064
    @aysaraktimur2064 2 місяці тому +1

    It is not misterious! Both Joachim and Clara heavily suppressed the work, stating that the work reflects Schumann’s deepening psychosis. Although this assessment is true to a certain extend, since the music’s dark tone and obsessive repetitions can attest that, the concerto in fact masterfully constructed and thematic material, flow of music, and orchestration are not so different from Schuman’s other major works, especially Symphony No.2 can be seen as closely related. Unfortunately, both Joachim and Clara were so influential that their negative opinions and heavy suppression took very long time to be neutralized. Therefore, this wonderful piece of music with philosophical depths has started to receive performances and recordings more and more often only lately. One other good point is that the performers quit performing the cut version, and today it is almost always played in uncut version.

  • @paralucent3653
    @paralucent3653 2 місяці тому +1

    This violin concerto must have one of the longest lead-ins to the soloist's debut. It takes nerves of steel to stand in front of an orchestra for 2 minutes with nothing to do!

    • @user-jm8km3hq5l
      @user-jm8km3hq5l 2 місяці тому +1

      Probably Beethoven Violin Concerto is a little bit longer at the start.

  • @judithnelson1665
    @judithnelson1665 2 місяці тому +3

    It was Clara and Brahmns (and none knew or revered Schumann's music more) who first had doubts about this concerto. Strickly musically, I think they are right; the work is repetitive, somewhat ponderous and lacks R.S'.s usual inventiveness. But...philosophically/aesthically, the concerto has power and beauty. So there- a mixed bag. Good we have it.

  • @brkahn
    @brkahn 2 місяці тому +2

    It is horribly faithful. Probably inspired by Harnoncourt's performance with Kremer. Masterful technically and conceptually.

    • @user-jm8km3hq5l
      @user-jm8km3hq5l 21 день тому +1

      She doesn't need to be inspired by them at all.

  • @sergioalves5278
    @sergioalves5278 2 місяці тому +6

    She is talentous and beautiful.

    • @hipolit2200
      @hipolit2200 2 місяці тому +1

      incel alert!

    • @chtidede
      @chtidede 2 місяці тому

      Le talent et la beauté, ça s'appelle " la classe ! "

    • @sergioalves5278
      @sergioalves5278 2 місяці тому

      @@chtidede Perfect !

    • @edbane1656
      @edbane1656 Місяць тому

      ​@@hipolit2200Thank you for pointing yourself out.

    • @hipolit2200
      @hipolit2200 Місяць тому

      @@edbane1656 You are dull

  • @felipeeduardodelarosabocan2356
    @felipeeduardodelarosabocan2356 2 місяці тому +4

    A very moving work with a sad history. 15:39 This is the melody Schumann told was dictated to him by the spirits of Mendelssohn and Schubert after attempting suicide in 1854.

  • @palladin331
    @palladin331 2 місяці тому +2

    Ms. Shoji is marvelous, as always. As noted, it is a problematic piece with an odd history (suppression of it by Clara Schumann and Joseph Joachim). Joachim had a rough reading of it (he was distracted and unprepared, as the story goes). He never had the chance to revise it with the composer. While we can now appreciate this great concerto thanks to recordings since the late 1930s (Szeryng championed it and his recording is, predictably, wonderful), much of the solo part is in the middle register (and very little in the upper register), and the repetitions seem excessive at times. I feel Joachim simply didn't like it (it is quite awkward) and regretted not being able to make changes with Schumann himself. Be that as it may, it is a concerto that justifiably gives the performer the rare opportunity to make suble changes, as most do.

  • @TheMajortanner
    @TheMajortanner Місяць тому +1

    Very robust orchestra.

  • @papagen00
    @papagen00 2 місяці тому +3

    Not Robert's best work, but a good performance nonetheless.

  • @jasuruz5525
    @jasuruz5525 2 місяці тому +2

    Men birinchi

  • @edwardweaver1467
    @edwardweaver1467 2 місяці тому +1

    Suite already.

  • @watching7650
    @watching7650 Місяць тому +1

    Flawless performance of a totally uninspiring piece that lacks a single captivating or original idea, or even a leading thread (as is too often the case with Schumann.) Or even a notable technical bravura challenge to make up for that.

    • @ZadokthePriest11
      @ZadokthePriest11 9 днів тому

      Dude was going mad and a few days away from killing himself. But yeah, i guess it's "not good" 😂

  • @user-lq1sj3oi5w
    @user-lq1sj3oi5w 2 місяці тому +1

    This is very good virtuoso violin-playing, excellent fingering and precise intonation, however Madame Shoji needs some work on bowing technique, such as playing before a mirror or watching HIMARI.

    • @ViolinfanaticOriginal
      @ViolinfanaticOriginal Місяць тому +4

      🤦🏾‍♀️ Shoji's bowing is amazing. One of the most sought-after bowing techniques. Stop.

    • @user-lq1sj3oi5w
      @user-lq1sj3oi5w Місяць тому

      @@ViolinfanaticOriginal Here you may watch a violinist with impeccable technique: ua-cam.com/video/xVpkTD5q_p8/v-deo.html

  • @drgustavbakter4735
    @drgustavbakter4735 Місяць тому +3

    The performers do a good job but the problem is that the concerto is not very good. It's very repetitive and as heavy as a ton of bricks. The whole piece sounds like a completed puzzle with multiple pieces misplaced.

  • @bobcochran2890
    @bobcochran2890 2 місяці тому +2

    Interesting that a composer who wrote marvelous string chamber music with soaring melodic lines would stumble with a violin concerto. Violinist friends tell me it’s just not a very good piece to show off the instrument. This soloist and orchestra did a marvelous job with this rather ungrateful concerto.

    • @achilles231
      @achilles231 2 місяці тому

      It’s a difficult work to understand, let alone play. It was beyond even Clara Schumann who suppressed publication after Schumann died.
      This performance is very intelligently conducted, and gets the tricky balance right. Shoji takes the first movement a little too slow, so the orchestra struggles to find the long melodic line in the tuttis I think.

  • @nigelmorley5414
    @nigelmorley5414 Місяць тому +1

    First movement too slow, lacks the drama and passionate under current necesseary to make this music really come alive

  • @Cycle-Tourer
    @Cycle-Tourer 2 місяці тому +3

    I don't like this concert. Quite bizarre. Very cold. lack of true melodies. lack of deepness. Lack of soul. Schumann far from his best.

    • @nigelmorley5414
      @nigelmorley5414 Місяць тому

      have you not listened to the slow movement ? One of the most beautiful melodies of all time, Second subject of the first movement, genuine, first rate Schumann

    • @eduardo3331
      @eduardo3331 8 днів тому

      No one cares...

    • @Cycle-Tourer
      @Cycle-Tourer 8 днів тому

      @@eduardo3331 YES, Only you care.

  • @iggyreilly2463
    @iggyreilly2463 2 місяці тому +2

    She plays with very little understanding of the music.

    • @peterwhyte-zl1kv
      @peterwhyte-zl1kv 2 місяці тому +6

      Please explain how you know this.

    • @iggyreilly2463
      @iggyreilly2463 2 місяці тому +1

      @peterwhyte-zl1kv Performers who understand what the notes on the page mean (beyond mere designations of sound and rhythm) play with feeling, something this violinist decidedly lacks. Long stretches of this performance consist of no phrasing, rubato, agogics, nothing -- just notes. This work needs as much help as possible as it is problematic; I applaud anyone who chooses to take it on because it's challenging. Sadly, the challenge is not met by this performer.

    • @morisoba2550
      @morisoba2550 Місяць тому +4

      Ssyaka Shoji sometimes plays in a restrained way, not because she doesn't understand the music, but because she intends to let the music itself sing naturally.