Stretching, Connective Tissue, Chronic Pain, and Cancer
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- Dr. Helene Langevin explains the importance of connective tissue in the body and its link to the immune system. She talks about recent findings on the effects of stretching on inflammation and fibrosis and the relevance of these findings to chronic pain and cancer. Langevin is the director of the Osher Center for Integrative Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s Hospital. [6/2016] [Show ID: 30714]
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8:15 is when the presentation begins.
thank you, the intro was torture
Been waiting 7 long minutes before I thought of checking the comments...
The Ant Hill Thanks!
Thank you!
Thanks
As a myofascial bodywork I’m inspired and amazed at these results. Comforting to know that we may be in fact helping reduce the propagation of cancer cell. Fascinating!!
Timestamp 32:55
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that this woman links Carrageenan (common food additive) to “Chronic Inflammation” and decides after her research to be more aware of what she was eating. Not to mention the crucial connections made between the immune system, cancer and the simple act of stretching.
Great comment and reference
It's not very common in any amount. I'm irish we eat carageen moss here. In much larger amounts. Carageenan which is a component of carageen is a known carcinogen as are many foods which are also of value. Many people eat it in ireland I think its also called irish moss.
This was so interesting. As someone with follicular (lymphatic) cancer that was diagnosed AFTER a car accident that left me very stiff, I will be starting yoga and stretching ASAP. Thank you!
I think my tsoas muscle along back and abdominal was pulled or out of alignment? Takes stretch, rest, and healthy foods and thoughts. rehabilitation yoga, and finding the spot where the entrapment is?
How are you now
Yes blood flow does amazing things go figure. Also experiment with timed eating. 95% of cancers survive on glycogen alone so starving yourself for extended times kills them very easily
This is so incredibly brilliant, if doctors only applied this information to their patients, there would be a lot less chronic pain conditions.
There are...Osteopathic Manipulative / NeuroMusculoSkeletal Medicine specialists have been integrating fascial and neuromusculoskeletal dysfunctions in pathophysiology for decades and it began in the 1800s. Fascia has been seen as essential for treatment models and its truly a model of taking the biochemical to the biomechanical. There is more and more research on the mechanotransduction on cell cycling and oncogenesis along with transcription of DNA which has greater implications for manual medicine. And it’s actually the MINE (Musculoskeletal, Immunologic, Neurologic, and Endocrinologic) Supersystem that integrates inflammation and stress response systems with pain responses, especially chronic. This specialty had been in practice for decades.
@@djn1822 That's nice. Not all Osteopathic docs or ANY docs pass on this info to their patients. Some folks can't afford a doctor (me for the past 11 years, thank goodness I now qualify for Medicare). I find what I can on the internet about Natural Healing. Too many docs answer to problems are Pills that help us in the short run and Big Pharma forever.
Also, what happens to those folks whose doc takes an instant Dislike to them. We all have to listen to our gut reaction to people. Never going back to that osteopath again, he was no help, wasted my $$$.
@@djn1822 Happy to hear it has, but where and how are patients to know they are even there? Meanwhile we are doped chronically to the best Docs can to address our concerns. Pity that Insurrance companies cannot help us ffind this and we have to on our own..even while living thru a haze of antidepressants or other mind fogging Pharma deluxes.
Stretching is an instinct for humans and animals to get ready for moving. Babies stretch and animals stretch. But as we get older we forget to stretch when we get up in the morning. Lets stretch whenever you feel stiff. 😅
As someone who has fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue this is very interesting stuff. Thank you.
I have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome for around 15 years, pain can be so crippling and I feel exhausted no matter how much rest I have, I got so sick and tired of feeling sick and tired. Three months ago, I came across David Goggins videos about him thinking he was dying and had a lump on the back of his head. While being bed ridden and thinking he was dying, he recalled that he was told his muscles were extremely stiff while in navy seal, and needed a lot of stretching, like many people, he didn't believe in stretching. He thought he might as well stretch since all his medications didn't help him. through hours of stretching a day, consistently for months, his health condition started to improve and his lump gotten smaller. Years later, he's still stretching and gotten healthier and stronger than he's ever been. So, I took up stretching but with severe pain and chronic fatique syndrome it was very challenging just to stretch a little, I felt extremely stiff at all time and needed breaks between brief stretches . Three months later, I am now stretching 2 to 3 hours a day( with many breaks in between), my chronic fatique syndromes improved, pain is way less chronic, and I feel less stiff. I still watch David goggin's videos, the ones about how stretching saved his life repeatedly to inspire myself to stretch everyday. In truth, when no one around me understand my pain and suffering, having people putting me down because they think I am inventing illness to not work for 15 years, watching David goggins videos really helps me.
How are you now ime in the same boat for decades in fact I was born with fatigue sleotv23 hrs a day as baby ime hypomobile to.i believe all the bad chemicals cortisol adrenaline are held in the fascia
@@goldprospector751 Thank you for this tip.
I had severe debilitating fibromyalgia for 11 (nearly 12) miserable years until I met a friend who owned a Neubie (aka “the machine”) by Neufit and trained me about 3x in a week and a half period and my fibromyalgia was 💨 gone. I was so scared I would jinx it so I didn’t tell my friend, not any other soul) for a month and a half until I was sure it was real.
That was May 2020 and I’m still fibro free today December 27, 2023 🙏🏼
Gluten free, dairy free, soy free, sugar free, lectin (fruits & veggies) free (except romaine and strawberries)… totally worth it.
@goldprospector751 I got those diagnosis a few years ago. Turned out I needed magnesium. I was having heart arythmias by the end two days of magnesium the heart arythmias stopped a few months and the tight muscles eased and I also had anemia and the iron was hurting my body so I stopped taking iron and I figured my body would make blood if I used my blood more so I started forcing myself to walk every day and do some excercises after that had warmed me up and it made a huge difference ..im basically normal now although some days I am just exhausted for nor eason. But those days are less and less often. I also haven't felt cold for a whole year..I have noticed its cold but I haven't felt that deep bone cold I had. Cold is really bad I think for our muscles. ..I started doing cold showers alla wim hoff technique and that was amazing for pain and for warming up the blood flow ..I started just doing hands and feet and it was excruciating painful but then I could go up to my knees and elbows and eventually the whole body ..it was amaaxjng pain relief and energy giving and also relaxing at the same time. not relaxing when youre doing it but afterwards a warm relaxing buzz fills the body for the day.
35:12 cute mice!
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I am so envious of Dr Langevin's technicians ; they have my dream job - to work for a truly intelligent and curious scientist who respects both people and animals (and they get to live in Vermont!).
As a Therapist id been sharing this video to my clients to better understand the fascia (connective tissue) I have seen a lot of chronic pain resolved and clients that had been told to have surgery ( hip and knee replacement) saved from having surgery. I am doing more research about the fascia and with the knowledge Im equipped with I am able to help more and more client set free from pain. Thank you Dr this video is highly informative.
I have chronic pain ime going for fascia release shortly I've had hypomobility OCD from birth si to me stress tightens fascia?
I am just introducing such results of this approach into my long Island massage clinic, Wellnexx. I'd love to collaborate with others!
@@Truerealism747yes stress contributes to stiffness. You will need a continous fascia release technique, it will really help your condition.
Beautiful presentation, very thorough, easy to digest and informative, thank you so much! One very important factor that in my personal experience adds to the thickening of the tissue is painkillers. As it was mentioned people who might have shoveled the snow and tore some tissue will not only rest and avoid using that part of the lumbar spine for a few days or weeks after the injury, but also, when the pain does not subside or even becomes chronic - many will reach for pain killing medicine, which thins out the blood and makes you more prone to injury and bleeding, which in turn sends a signal to your brain for your body to produce more and more protective tissue, or thicker tissue around the injury adding to the tightness and immobility of fascia. I have had numerous surgeries including c-sections and breast implants, both resulted in thickening of the tissue around the injury and laporascopy was needed after my first c section to cut the tissue around all of my organs. My implant developed a thick capsule around it and would not drop. Many post surgeries were necessary. Also after my epidural I started having chronic lower back pain, and a chiropractor told me that my connective tissue at the site of the injection is very thick. One common denominator in all of this was me consuming prescribed painkillers immediately after every injury. Observing others who chose to avoid pain medication recover naturally without such complications, I see a clear pattern of painkillers affecting connective tissue production at the site of injury.
Very interesting comment. I avoid painkillers as it is but that's a really important reason to do so whenever possible.
Have you found tissue goes back to normal after oaunkillers
That' s sounds interesting & true
@@ghislainedamboise6151 think we need magnesium potassium to and b12
Thank you for your information. I am a cancer thriver/surviver and struggle with inflammation and was blown off with you have "idiopathic Angioedema"
because they can't figure out what causes my inflammation (thinking allergies). The more I work out to strengthen my body the more the pain. But the more I learn, the more I am connecting the dots... S T R E T C H I N G!!! I will give stretching DAILY a try to see if helps the constant pain in my thighs and lower back. My goal for 2024 is to continue to get stronger, improve my strength and reduce fatigue, pain. This is so valuable because I work with cancer survivors (LiveStrong Program at the YMCA). Thank you for your inspiration!
How are you doing ??
This talk is crazy good.
Awesome lecture Doc
Thank you so much from France for that speech. Finally, after years of research about chronic back pain (+back surgery L5S1), I just understood why my intuition about Yoga's practice may be a solution or almost decrease my back pain, sometimes make me disabled. Great amazing research; thank you again!
tell us more please
Wow. Amazing talk. Thanks for your hardwork and research
This is a very interesting talk, fascinating. Thank you
Very well explained
Thank you so much for this video 🙏🙏🙏
This is five years ago? I’m so sad. My best friend was diagnosed with large B cell lymphoma three years ago, they did a biopsy and gave him 10 rounds of chemo and 10 rounds of radiation. After many months later his tumor had gone down to 2“ x 2“. A few months later it started to grow back. It got to 3“ x 4“ and they did a biopsy again. Now that biopsy had made it larger and it’s solid as a rock. Why didn’t they take it out or do something when it was 2 x 2 and soft and flimsy? I feel as if they just simply wanted to do more experiments just to see what that IF might happen and now he’s dealing with the IF. He has chronic inflammation. I do constant massages to him but it’s hard. So sad.
8:15 intro
24:50 cancer cells need a base, the connected tissue - tissue stroma
27:50 stretching
I agree and would gladly share that cupping is a manual stretching technique that helps alot with pain, immune system and cancer.
Would love to be part of similar research project.
Wow! I love her outfit! I am in pt right now for adhesions in my low back
Really fascinating!! I wonder if she has published any papers since... now I need to check.
Next step is to look at people who have connective tissue disorders like EDS, where the tissue is overly stretchy. These people tend to have chronic pain too, as some can hardly move without getting hurt. Many will get injured on any attempt at yoga. What is the solution? One young, overly-stretchy woman is getting needling done on a badly injured knee and is seeing real progress for the first time after 3 or 4 years of attempts at tissue replacement.
Manganese is good for tightening the joints. A chirppractoor told me because I was always very stretchy good at yoga but also my vertebrea in my neck would just slip out of place paralysing my neck or my back. Once I toon manganese I stopped being so flexible but also stopped having my joints just flop out of place and only recently I had a neck go out after a dyaay of hard work and bad sleep and it went back quickly into position. Maybe that would help. Worth a try.
I have a connective tissue disorder, and for a time it did help to stretch. Until some joints started coming out of the sockets. 😬
I'm hoping soon to have a specialized physical therapist that can help me strengthen the muscles around the hyperflexible joints and stretch/strengthen the stiff muscles that come from being in pain 24/7.
Good luck to anyone else out there dealing with their own health issues 💪🏼💪🏼
I've read palate not yoga for hypomobility else it goes to slack very hard getting pain free
@@Truerealism747 I believe that's hypermobility rather than hypo.
@@hyacinth1320 yeah lol
@@Truerealism747 :)
Have you tried having a regular therapeutic massage aside from stretching?
Awesome scientists!
Very interesting research! Yet another reason to practice yoga and avoid processed even yogurt. Thank you for sharing this.
Yoga no good if hypomobilty but palate is
Dairy is scary.
@@Truerealism747hypo or hyper?
@@andreawisner7358 hypo
this lady really speaks well, and she loves her science
@@stacer1962 why do u say fake?
@@stacer1962 well she did use the same methods as the one science, im pretty sure its called alternative because it researches topics not researched by the mainstream, you will would if you go through the whole video and heard her research, but it doesnt seem like youre into that
wenjingsaf By extension, Stacy knows more than the silly doctors and illiterate scientists at Harvard Medical School then. Check this out:
ua-cam.com/video/ygUvpADY0jo/v-deo.html
There’s a vid on YT about the science of internet trolls. Advice is to resist feeding them.✌️
@@aremedyproject9569
Thank you for the additional link - fascinating information! Now going to look into the science of internet trolling 🤔
Always like to stretch like a cat 👉🐈🥰 Thank you for sharing this important information,knowledge 🤗💞
Any know of any more information about this topic . Anything about where they are now, 6 years later with their studies . If you can offer any readings or videos i would be very interested and thankful . Be well
Interesting
Yoga asana and pranayama is the answer! Namaste!
2 words. LIFE. CHANGING. 🙏🏽
Yoga is a religion!
@@John-ek5bq No hits not, its a philosophy. Hinduism is a religion!
It was wonderful just stucked my attention..
The fascia appears to contain a neural network of sensory fibers and it is densely populated with specialized receptors, as well and CB2 receptors integrating the neural immune systems.
Are high LDH (Lactate Dehydrogenase) levels associated with stiffer musculoskeletal systems? Do lower LDH levels indicate healthy (long and strong) musculoskeletal system? I've observed this anecdotally in labs and wondered if any research on this is being conducted. Is a stiff body out of calibration/unhealthy? Is it possible bloodwork can provide a window to more than damaged organs, rather also the musculoskeletal heatlh?
one thing l can debate is to stretch first thing you wake up in the morning without adjusting your energy and muscle
So based on these mice experiments, if a person has a cancerous tumor stretching will either help shrink it or cause metastasis, if I'm understanding this correctly, as shown on graft at around @49:47.
I've never had acupuncturist twist the needle once it's in
I have. Some do, some may not. I don't think they're stretching tissue when they do. I think it's a mild irritant that increases circulation through the point/channel.
After the natural delivery of my child at age 32 my lower back was never the same. I’m hypothesizing that my fascia is messed up. 😢
the more you do the better result... plus the angle and posture and feet position influence more than the stretch itself.... this is a 3 dimensional body and you rolfers and scientists forget it and forget that only the patient himself can experience ... cant get anymore subjective and the patients lacks the self knowledge and self confidence plus has a simplistic view of the 3d body that any rehab requires total devotion specially if one wants to reach movement at 90 or 100 or more as natural as being a child... it is called roadmap to structure very clearly explaines by Ida...
I assume when Dr.Langevin says physical therapy can help with 'stretching' for folks with scleroderma, she means active stretching and not passive stretching, yes? May I ask your thoughts on using splinting in these patients with connective tissue/inflammatory diseases to maintain muscle and tendon length; even though splinting is not active stretching, it does help to maintain range of motion.
is stretching the right term or maybe untwisting and unglueing as in a rope
Yes that's it
Interesting. So how much stretching one should do ? I am practising yog and other stretching from 1982.i am 65 now.
Are you pain free
32:00 carrogeneen , 36:42 scleroderma, 48:10 cancer
Can stretching help when the person already has chronic illness (Fibromyalgia)😣
It has helped me - but it is hard. I would not say it is painful, but extraordinarily uncomfortable. I've been doing ballet-style static stretching in the morning for 30 min for a couple of weeks now. I tried to follow along with some yoga videos, but had trouble knowing if I was doing the poses correctly. I have sciatica and plantar fasciitis, as well as what my mom called 'the aches and pains' - something like fibromyalgia, ME/CFS, or myofascial pain syndrome. I have a single copy of the gene associated with Familial Mediterranean Fever (FMF) - not enough to cause FMF, but some medical researches think having one copy of the gene might result in fibromyalgia or myofascial pain syndrome:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25604326
Magnesium has helped a lot, also, both topically ('magnesium oil' - just a concentrated solution of magnesium chloride in water) and orally. I didn't get results taking Mg in pill or capsule form, but rather taking it dissolved in water and in small doses throughout the day. I found this out after purchasing 'alkalinized water' - I don't take much stock in the alkalinization process, but in order to maintain the alkalinity and improve taste, some brands include potassium bicarbonate, calcium chloride, and magnesium chloride. Drinking too much can result in loose stools.
Here's an article on bioavailabilty of Mg, which confirms my experience - a single 'bolus' dose is not as good as many small doses for absorption; there's other interesting bits of info as well:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5652077/
I'm trying other stuff also (in addition to the usual healthy diet and regular exercise - another thing that is hard but necessary) including photobiomodulation [aka low level 'laser' therapy (LED works as well as a real laser), 'red' light therapy (near infra red light is used as well as red light)] - too soon to tell if it works, but it does feel good.
Try to watch Dr. Morse / move you Lymph at You tube.
Yes! Fibro involves superficial fascia.
@@rhyothemisprinceps1617
At times develop painful feet when under severe stress; it looks like what Dr. Darren Schmidt D.C. describes as Lactic Acidosis and Nervous System Exhaustion.
For Magnesium supplementation using NATURA Biochemic TISSUE SALTS 8 MAG PHOS (for Cramps, Spasms, Headaches - it says); dissolving 1 tablet under the tongue 3 times daily. (Can be taken every half hour in acute cases.)
How are you doing now?
Are you cured
Talk starts 9:23
Wow he produced Hoodwinked
Sarah Corey...test
Don't stretch! learn to release to lengthen tissue.
How do we release then
After the first two hour introduction I fell asleep and woke up three hours later to get the end of the second introduction and the next hour of arse kissing thank yous
Just her background, doctored, what else.
I'm having an extremely hard time listening to this, because the audio quality is so poor. You can use free software to get rid of that hum, and it would be most welcome.
Poor little sniffies. Sad.
This may be great for medical staff but not for non medical staff personnel.
I found it extremely informative...sorry you cant follow along.
I found it informative and easy to follow. I am not in the medical field.
This common knowledge for massage therapist!
Great lecture
It is great for everybod! Great for movement educators and for everybody who seeks health improvement, and specially to understand that there is science, serious science that suport what movement educators can do for people . Everybody benefits from It. I can only thank this people who are really interested in people and also thank for having the oportunity to listen to this lecture.
As an acupuncturist for over 15 years and manual therapist and movement educator for 25 years, I can promise you that acupuncture's mechanism of action has nothing to do with stretching tissue. This is really poor reasoning.
Maybe you should adapt to new scientific knowledge.. be a little more flexible.
10:25 Peter, the question is what do yoga, acupuncture, and manual therapy have in common (besides endorphins)?
...highly innervated connective tissue...
Acupuncture isn't based in science...
She said this is what was observed not what the "mechanism of action" is. She says nothing concerning what acupuncture does. There is no science to back up any of it's claims. You should be glad that a scientist is looking to see if there is anything to acupuncture. Maybe this is what really happens and you are saying it is something else happens.
Well she is a scientist your like a high scale Massage therapist , and it works soooooo? Lol