OMG yes, Shannon Smith is insufferable. I will say that I lived in MI for a while and the women there all kind of have that nasally, obnoxious voice where the A vowels are over-pronounced. But Smith is so far beyond just the irritating audio of her voice 😂 her personality is wretched. I don't understand how she made it this far in her career
It's NOT the fact that she was having an affair. It's the fact that she could go romp in the hay during work hours BUT couldn't take time off work and take her child for help with his mental state. She left that child at the school WHEN HE NEEDED HER THE MOST. In Jennifer's life Jennifer comes FIRST........romps in the hay, horse's and alcohol were more important than her son END OFF!!!
The more I learn about this sorry excuse for a mother, the more I am inclined to believe Ethan did this horrible thing to get some attention from his parents. Not excusing or justifying it, just trying to understand why......
True inadvertently created a monster, I think we acting on emotions here though . It’s something people would always agree with but it’s not the law . I’d rather see a new law for these travesty than something out of the ordinary. Keeping things fair , mostly for victims
If you watch the Ethan Crumbley trial and Miller hearing you would see that he was mentally ill to the extent he thought he saw demons and thought ghosts were moving things around in the house, he had drawings of demon faces in his journal, and he had a very negative world view along with repetitive thoughts to shoot people at the school. He knew he was not right in the head and kept asking to go to the dr. He asked his dad to take him and the parents gave him Xanax instead. He even said if he should maybe call 911 so he can go to the doctor but his parents will get mad. He knew he was mentally ill. I don't think the parents just never gave him any attention but they ignored mental health signs until it was too late and gave him a gun as a gift thinking they could bond over that.
Why don't they charge every parent of murderers. I am all for charging bad parents but this case is going to set the precedent for prosucuters to start charging parents and grandparents of every murderer for raising violent children, not paying attention to them, giving them money and they use it to buy guns, etc. Uvalde comes to mind.
Everybody can agree that the defense lawyer is terrible but what about the judge? I’m astonished of all of the backtalk & unprofessionalism that she’s allowed.
@@novascotiaskater1868the judge knows the state has overcharged and overreached and even if the jury comes back with a guilty finding the judge is going to throw it out.
@@novascotiaskater1868I’m in no favor of the defense but both prosecuting attorneys are doing the same thing. They just don’t have Shannon’s irritating voice.
What is defense thinking? How does this help the defense? This makes her look like a liar and a cheater in addition to being an ineffective parent. What is happening?
That doesn’t make mom criminally responsible for her son’s actions!!! Is it criminal to cheat on your husband? Is it criminal to lie to your Husband ? Is it criminal not to be a perfect parent ???
@@reagan3078Michigan courts must be very different because I rarely hear the word " Objection ". They just talk it out with the Judge. Also rare to see the Prosecution help out the defense by letting her use the graphics on the prosecutors PC. Normally that does not happen.
HERE IS THE THING, in simplicity. If you bring home a dog then either by neglect, abuse, or training, you create a vicious animal. You then allow that vicious animal to run rampant in society, you are fully responsible for the actions and damage created by that animal. Parental responsibility over children is no different. Today more and more parents turn children into vicious animals then let them run rampant. If you allow the government to raise your children the government will. However, you already do not like how that is being done, so step up be parents.
So come on .. last of people have affairs, lots of parents are horrible parents, and their kids don’t turn out to be mass murders. So that has nothing to do with it ! Her son was 15 years old , perfectly capable, to know right from wrong! You can’t convict parents for the action of a grown ass 15 years old ! Besides, they have nothing on mom! Yeah, dad bought the gun ( to use it when they go shooting at the gun range ) , but Jennifer I see NOTHING on her!!!
By a court, Ethan was found to have no mental issue and capable to stand trial !! And at mom‘s trial they’re making him mentally ill ?!!! no, no that doesn’t work like that !! Thats messed up !!
I like how the defense attorney asked the witness how to pronounce the word “cache”, he tells her, and she proceeds by saying “well I’m going to say caché because I’m not sure how to pronounce it” is this as bonkers to everyone else, as it is to me???
If “the poor excuse for a mother” was smart (which we know she is NOT) she wouldn’t have said that cuz she can’t go back and say that she had incompetent defense counsel.
@@Sonworshipper. Completely agree with both of you! JC’s attorney is behaving like a “mean girl” just out of school. I can’t believe how/why this Judge isn’t pulling her up on her behaviour 🤷♀️
Omg Shannon doesn’t even “question” the witnesses. She’s all “I’m going to say things and you just need to agree”… if I hear “is that correct?” One more time 😩😩😩
Deplorable humans ACT like the Crumbly parents pre-orchestrated this horrible event and wanted mass murder...! People haters need the love of God in in their lives, not punishing courts based on retaliation, anger and hate! (NOT GUILTY)...!
Ughhhhhhh defense attorney SHANNON SMITH is HORRIBLE at her job!! Pouts like a big baby if she doesn’t get her way! Want to watch a clown show…………watch this Michigan case!!!! 🥴🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
does she think saying CORRECT over and over make her a perfect attorney? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄... Keep in mind if you need a lawyer, walk out of the room as soon as you hear the word CORRECT to save yourself from failure 😁😁😁😁😁
It’s exhausting listening to this defense attorney ramble on. She’s disorganized, an absolute mess. The judge lacks control and this is one of the worst trials I’ve watched.
Having an affair doesn't make you responsible for your kid killing people, but being irresponsible and letting your husband buy him a gun and by leaving him in school after all the disturbing pictures that he drew amd the things he said does make you responsible.
Didn't Jennifer take Ethan to the shooting range too ! So the pistol purchase had to be discussed as parents. So he draws disturbing pictures in class she texts him " next time don't get caught " ! Then goes to the meeting with the counselor & BOTH OF THEM never tell the school counselor they bought a gun / he's having psychotic episodes at home hearing & seeing a Demon. To me its very hard to get over the fact she texted back to her husband - after work I'm riding my horse & getting drunk ! Was her horse named " Fire Chief " ? 🐎 🔥
Shannon Smith thinks that Jennifer's tainted character as a married woman won't register with a Jury of her peers ! Lets see - BAD Mother / BAD Wife / Self Centered - checks all the Boxes .
@@Fromtheburg I don't see a win the this defense. Shannon " opening the door " was a Huge mistake. The Jury will not like her for cheating on her marriage & not taking care of Ethan. Not a sympathetic person at all !
The defense attorney is the most unprofessional person I’ve ever seen! She’s whiny, rude, bombastic and foolish. Does anyone actually think she’s good?
Wholeheartedly agree. This judge seems like she has no idea what's happening in her courtroom, seems dense and completely checked out. What a disgrace. And don't get me started on the defense attorney 🤦🙄.
I’m not hearing any” sustained “ or “ overruled “ by the judge. How is this OK? She seems to makes comments but not rule on anything. Not to mention the defense being all over the place AND talking back to the judge.
100% agree!!! Both need to be reported and reviewed by their state bar assoc. Complete lack of professional decorum and making a mockery of the judicial system!
Says a lot about her character, no family cohesiveness and probably wildly distracted, not parenting ++esp since she wanted kid walk home after not looking in his bookbag.
@@Whiskey77921 well he admitted to the affair to the police. So they know he doesn't care about his marriage already. Same as Jennifer. I guess they used that as leverage to get him to talk if he was hiding things from them. Which I don't know if that's the case. He screwed up his life for his affair partner. I don't really feel that bad for him. And the police are allowed to lie and everybody knows that. There was a supreme court ruling on that. I'm just not sure where the defense is going.
If you watch his whole testimony @@Whiskey77921 you would see that at the very end the judge asked him flat out if he was threatened and his response was "no" that he believes when the detectives were asking about his job they were just trying to build a rapport with them. Shannon Smith is just grasping at straws..
@@camillelong2093Have they established that this witness was married himself or are you assuming this? I am sure he didn't want to tell the police that but it was all over the text messages between he and Jennifer so he could not have lied his way out of it better to confess immediately. It's not proof he didn't care if his wife found out.
I have seen some pretty bad defense attorneys but not someone this belligerent and incompetent, in recent memory. How is this judge putting up with this nutcase defense laywer
What is going on in our judicial system?! One insane case after another.. not because of the crimes or the suspected criminal… but because the Judge, attorney or clerk has gone completely rogue!! It’s scary honestly!!
Judge doesn't know how to control the courtroom ie the attorneys. Witnesses I've seen have decorum. Appears defense atty has no trial experience, unprepared, anxious and the prosecutor knows this
I actually think it's on purpose by those who act out of control. Kind of like "I'm going to make sure I come out of this even more notorious and famous than people in the last high profile trial did." Everyone wants their 15 minutes. It's pathetic.
She may be the worst trial attorney I have ever witnessed. I feel sorry for Crumbley to be represented by such an unprofessional, unorganized and bumbling attorney. Everyone deserves competent representation.
The judge is a joke. She laughs with witnesses and today when she interjected “you have a beater car” to the witness and laughed…I was shocked! This is a case that could be made precedent…and the judge is acting ridiculous
The defense attorney is so utterly objectionable. I feel that poor boy didn’t stand a chance with parents like James and Jennifer Crumbly. They are equally if not more responsible for that boy’s actions. 😢
Why file a motion to keep evidence out, then go against your own motion on the fly? It's just wasting court time and making defence look all over the place.
As a Michigander, I can assure you, the Oakland County Judges and attorneys are NEVER this unprofessional! The Judges are strict and in complete control of their courtroom! The attorneys are usually top notch, prepared and professional. Oakland county courtrooms are on the list of places you want to avoid! This case is very serious, Michigan deeply mourns the victims, the trickle effect of this has changed everyone. Watching this defense attorneys tantrums and trying desperately to hear this Judge makes it nearly impossible to watch. It’s unbelievable. It’s shameful.
The parents 🙆🏻♀️ absolutely FAILED their son. He was not a priority at all. They were too busy being selfish…MY LORD. 😢💔🤦🏻♀️ This is a tragedy…oh man the defense attorney didn’t meet with the witness prior to the trial. Jennifer’s attorney saying he has a bad memory…then she turns around and wants him to confirm his conversations with the police? That’s a mixed message about the changing or adding to his statement. I definitely agree and support that the parents need to suffer the consequences for not taking the mental health seriously and still bought him a gun. 🤔⚖️🇺🇸.
This is like a play being rehearsed! WTH kind of court room is this? This judge seems to be clearly siding with the defense attorney, and has done so many times! I think she needs to step down from this case!
I really want to watch this trial. However, the defense attorney is one of THE most annoying people I have ever been exposed to! (CORRECT?) It is literally ALL she can stand to allow the witness to answer questions. I just can't stand the fact that the judge is being such a wimp, by allowing the way she phrases her questions. (Correct?) I guess I will wait until the jury reaches a verdict. (Correct?)
You're talking about people overusing words in an annoying way, correct? Maybe you should 🤪 L I T E R A L L Y 🤪 have a look at your own vocabulary, correct?
As CTV viewers, we’ve (unfairly) attacked many defence attys for their awful clients. But we’re in agreement- this atty is _horrendous_ . When your clients son killed a heap of kids, & your client didn’t give a flying fart in space, it’s difficult to make them likeable to a jury. But now I’m introducing the new theory of relativity, ladies & gentleman; Relative to this defence atty, Jennifer crumbly is a little less detestable. That’s quite an extraordinary feat. Jokes aside, one really ought to take stock upon receiving such a consistent wave of horrified responses to your work- particularly when being liked by a jury is critical.
one of the worst judges i've ever seen running the court in the crumbly case. she said the police is threatening him IN FRONT of the jury. shes so bad, and having to be told proper procedure by prosecution.. shes pathetic tbh.
Watching this defense attorney turn the courtroom into a circus is a level of cringe I'm not sure I can even wrap my brain around. But aside from that, I think my least favourite person in this courtroom is honestly the Judge, why is she being so lenient and sympathetic toward all the chaos in her courtroom??
Jennifer Crumbleys lawyer is highly emotional , unprofessional & way too animated for a lawyer .. all in front of the jury! She’s disrespectful yelling / speaking over the judge! Yelling/interrupting “IDONT CARE”
I looked her up. Shannon Smith has her own private practice and she specializes in criminal sexual cases. Sixteen years of trying cases. Her voice makes me cringe.
Why didn't the prosecution shut the defense down, they're not even listening? She's just accused them of getting the witness to lie and SHE'S RUNNING THE COURT ROOM with her big mouth.
As a clinical psychologist who has evaluated dozens of emotionally distressed students who may have posed a danger to their fellow students, I find the story of Oxford High School administrators allowing Ethan Crumbley back into the classroom profoundly disturbing.
The judge seems wishy washy and should be taking a firm line with the advocates especially defence council. She is bending over backwards to assist the defence attorney instead of slapping her down.
This is a precedent setting case that might finally shine the light on parental responsibility for their children's mental health and gun ownership. That doesn't necessarily mean an affair led her to neglecting her kid. We need to wait for all of the evidence. The attorney's heightened affect didn't help.
Not terrible but too busy with lovers and horses to pay sufficient attention to her child...you know negligent. Mrs Crumbley seems very selfish to me. The state of the house freaked me out.
This Defense Attorney is all over the place!!! Seems extremely unprofessional to help Prove her client is a liar and a cheat while NOT being a parent to her mentally unstable child at home!! WOW 😅
Marie's first statement hit the nail on the head. As an emotional woman myself, she's definitely way too emotional and her constant whining and lack of respect for the judge is so unprofessional.
The speaking objections and even 3-party full-on discussions about objections that come very close to mentioning facts not in evidence in the presence of the jury is kind of yikes 😬
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It's exhausting to listen to the defense attorney.
She exhausted my last nerve on day one!
agreed. She's tough to follow and I can't imagine the jury trying to follow her as well.
@@Daysfreak57332 I’m guessing that the jury is as disgusted with her as we are.
@@TheOtherBoleynGirl336I hope so
OMG yes, Shannon Smith is insufferable. I will say that I lived in MI for a while and the women there all kind of have that nasally, obnoxious voice where the A vowels are over-pronounced. But Smith is so far beyond just the irritating audio of her voice 😂 her personality is wretched. I don't understand how she made it this far in her career
It's NOT the fact that she was having an affair. It's the fact that she could go romp in the hay during work hours BUT couldn't take time off work and take her child for help with his mental state. She left that child at the school WHEN HE NEEDED HER THE MOST. In Jennifer's life Jennifer comes FIRST........romps in the hay, horse's and alcohol were more important than her son END OFF!!!
Genau, so sehe ich das auch, schuldig.. Das ist keine mutter😢
Agreed
Those other kids in that school needed her the most on that day. Jennifer simply didnt feel like it. Those kids are now dead, injured, or traumatized.
Uh yeah I'm not sure who you think you're arguing with lol weirdo
Bam well said 👍
The more I learn about this sorry excuse for a mother, the more I am inclined to believe Ethan did this horrible thing to get some attention from his parents. Not excusing or justifying it, just trying to understand why......
Thats exactly what happened. He wanted the attention he never got at home
@@dihe1392 😢😢😢
True inadvertently created a monster, I think we acting on emotions here though . It’s something people would always agree with but it’s not the law . I’d rather see a new law for these travesty than something out of the ordinary. Keeping things fair , mostly for victims
If you watch the Ethan Crumbley trial and Miller hearing you would see that he was mentally ill to the extent he thought he saw demons and thought ghosts were moving things around in the house, he had drawings of demon faces in his journal, and he had a very negative world view along with repetitive thoughts to shoot people at the school. He knew he was not right in the head and kept asking to go to the dr. He asked his dad to take him and the parents gave him Xanax instead. He even said if he should maybe call 911 so he can go to the doctor but his parents will get mad. He knew he was mentally ill. I don't think the parents just never gave him any attention but they ignored mental health signs until it was too late and gave him a gun as a gift thinking they could bond over that.
Why don't they charge every parent of murderers. I am all for charging bad parents but this case is going to set the precedent for prosucuters to start charging parents and grandparents of every murderer for raising violent children, not paying attention to them, giving them money and they use it to buy guns, etc. Uvalde comes to mind.
Terrible parents, terrible defence lawyer, terrible judge.
Yep!
And horrible kid
Absolutely agree!!
Agreed. And I don’t like the prosecutors in this case, either.
@@brandybiscoff9685so you side with the defense? I mean you can't not like anyone otherwise wtf is the point? Hahaha
Everybody can agree that the defense lawyer is terrible but what about the judge? I’m astonished of all of the backtalk & unprofessionalism that she’s allowed.
Not to mention how she speaks to the State and belittles them in front of the jury…. She’s absolutely terrible …
I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes a mistrial or something along the lines.
@@novascotiaskater1868the judge knows the state has overcharged and overreached and even if the jury comes back with a guilty finding the judge is going to throw it out.
@@novascotiaskater1868I’m in no favor of the defense but both prosecuting attorneys are doing the same thing. They just don’t have Shannon’s irritating voice.
Every judge is different.
What is defense thinking? How does this help the defense? This makes her look like a liar and a cheater in addition to being an ineffective parent. What is happening?
Shannon Smith must hate Jennifer Crumbley is how I figure it !
The state is doing everything but proving manslaughter...that's whats going on here
Trial has entered post logic phase?
That doesn’t make mom criminally responsible for her son’s actions!!!
Is it criminal to cheat on your husband? Is it criminal to lie to your Husband ? Is it criminal not to be a perfect parent ???
How come jennifer didn't tell her lawyer to leave the affair out.
Are both of them dummies?
The defense attorney is sooooooo disorganized
Is this her first case?! The only excuse I’d buy..
@@Jennifermcintyre she represented Larry Nassar.
You got that right. She is exhausting to watch.
I could barely stand to watch another second of it! Her style of questioning is horrible! I can’t believe there weren’t more objections.
@@reagan3078Michigan courts must be very different because I rarely hear the word " Objection ". They just talk it out with the Judge. Also rare to see the Prosecution help out the defense by letting her use the graphics on the prosecutors PC. Normally that does not happen.
Any mom should be convicted when her son ASKED + TOLD her in April he was felling weird + wanted to see a Dr Yet Mom said NO!!! WHAT??
Mom laughed at him and dad said sick it up and gave him some pills when he asked them to see a doctor.
Yes 🙌
Yeah, I think it was the father who said. Suck it up and mom who laughed at him
Sorry son, my horse is too expensive. No medical or mental health care for you!!!
Parents should have gone to "good parenting school".
This judge is really bad. Doesn’t have any control of the court. You tell me? I guess the defense is in control. Judge should just go home.
She is.. She's like a tantrumming two year old that inexperienced parents let run the household.
It's clear there was a point made against police threatening witnesses.
HERE IS THE THING, in simplicity. If you bring home a dog then either by neglect, abuse, or training, you create a vicious animal. You then allow that vicious animal to run rampant in society, you are fully responsible for the actions and damage created by that animal. Parental responsibility over children is no different. Today more and more parents turn children into vicious animals then let them run rampant. If you allow the government to raise your children the government will. However, you already do not like how that is being done, so step up be parents.
How meany kids the state has raised and the have turned murders ?? Plenty of them!! Are they in prison?! Nope !
I have to agree with you!
So come on .. last of people have affairs, lots of parents are horrible parents, and their kids don’t turn out to be mass murders. So that has nothing to do with it ! Her son was 15 years old , perfectly capable, to know right from wrong! You can’t convict parents for the action of a grown ass 15 years old ! Besides, they have nothing on mom! Yeah, dad bought the gun ( to use it when they go shooting at the gun range ) , but Jennifer I see NOTHING on her!!!
By a court, Ethan was found to have no mental issue and capable to stand trial !! And at mom‘s trial they’re making him mentally ill ?!!! no, no that doesn’t work like that !! Thats messed up !!
I'm sorry, i cant " whitewash" affairs.
My ex had an affair and it blew the family up.
I DESPISE CHEATERS.
I like how the defense attorney asked the witness how to pronounce the word “cache”, he tells her, and she proceeds by saying “well I’m going to say caché because I’m not sure how to pronounce it” is this as bonkers to everyone else, as it is to me???
I thought the same thing! She’s so strange.
There are several ways to pronounce the word. People often question how they use words with multiple pronunciations. You're just overthinking it.
Yes this part was bizarre!! It made me mad haha
It's pretty telling of her inability to hear anyone other than herself
bonkers is an understatement
This defense attorney is a mess. I can't believe the defendant said, " I trust her," ON THE RECORD!
Yeah either she really doesn’t care or is much stupider than I thought….
If “the poor excuse for a mother” was smart (which we know she is NOT) she wouldn’t have said that cuz she can’t go back and say that she had incompetent defense counsel.
Totally agree. Her courtroom behavior is awful.
Larry Nassar trusted her too.🤣
My daughter who is 20 asked me “Does Disneyland have a law school “ referring to the Crumbleys Attorney 😂
Ms. Crumbley looks like she's aged 10-15 years in the past 2.
I can't believe she's 45 😮
I thought it was just my eyes
She quickly turned into a granny somehow. Wild
Big Jens put on the weight
Jen was really shuffling those papers when those saucy texts were being read.
This defense attorney is terrible!
Omg. I cannot with her or that “Judge”
@@Sonworshipper. Completely agree with both of you! JC’s attorney is behaving like a “mean girl” just out of school. I can’t believe how/why this Judge isn’t pulling her up on her behaviour 🤷♀️
@@pamcollins1651 OMG Yes! I feel like she set the tone for the whole trial.
I think she trying to ruin the case.
@@shuckydarn2856 agree, I think she is opening the door for appeal
Omg Shannon doesn’t even “question” the witnesses. She’s all “I’m going to say things and you just need to agree”… if I hear “is that correct?” One more time 😩😩😩
Is that a true statement🤔 would you agree🤔correct? 🤔
Correct.
The Fire Chief is Shannon's sock puppet ! Is that correct ? Yes !
@@ag4allgood😂😂😂😂
I came to see if I was the only one seeing that. It’s annoying and I am done! Is that a correct?!
First time I’ve EVER seen a defense attorney say they WANT the door opened. WTF?!
Is she on stimulants? Like gorl are you ok? You good???
@@Ashley__Rose I was thinking the same, she has to be on something
@@Ashley__RoseHer drug of choice is narcissistic supply.
DA no likey.
@@schwubs but also maybe some crushed up adderall/booger sugar. 😳
All allegedly of course.
This defense attorney is insufferable
Absolutely!!!
AMEN
Deplorable humans ACT like the Crumbly parents pre-orchestrated this horrible event and wanted mass murder...! People haters need the love of God in in their lives, not punishing courts based on retaliation, anger and hate! (NOT GUILTY)...!
Ughhhhhhh defense attorney SHANNON SMITH is HORRIBLE at her job!! Pouts like a big baby if she doesn’t get her way! Want to watch a clown show…………watch this Michigan case!!!! 🥴🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
lmaooo right! how embarassing!
I have been waiting for this but I can’t watch her
DA is a jerk and defense is working hard. She is very amusing.
Please keep our State name out of this lol. This woman is batshit crazy in all 50 states.
does she think saying CORRECT over and over make her a perfect attorney? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄...
Keep in mind if you need a lawyer, walk out of the room as soon as you hear the word CORRECT to save yourself from failure 😁😁😁😁😁
It’s exhausting listening to this defense attorney ramble on. She’s disorganized, an absolute mess. The judge lacks control and this is one of the worst trials I’ve watched.
Exactly!!! I really wanted to watch it but I can't....the defense attorney is ridiculous and the judge lets her do and act however she wants 😮😮
Having an affair doesn't make you responsible for your kid killing people, but being irresponsible and letting your husband buy him a gun and by leaving him in school after all the disturbing pictures that he drew amd the things he said does make you responsible.
Not to mention that she blew off school appointments with her kid to hop in the sack with her lover
That’s why I don’t get why the defense is blowing this up when she had so much more the prosecuting team is going to throw at her to worry about
If she wasn’t focussed on her child but participated in an affair, that’s not good for her.
She went riding alright but it wasn't on her horse.
Didn't Jennifer take Ethan to the shooting range too ! So the pistol purchase had to be discussed as parents. So he draws disturbing pictures in class she texts him " next time don't get caught " ! Then goes to the meeting with the counselor & BOTH OF THEM never tell the school counselor they bought a gun / he's having psychotic episodes at home hearing & seeing a Demon. To me its very hard to get over the fact she texted back to her husband - after work I'm riding my horse & getting drunk ! Was her horse named " Fire Chief " ?
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Does this judge understand the definition of SUSTAINED and OVERRULED??????????????????
I was thinking the same thing. She uses no courtroom language to control the proceedings. If this is Michigan's best, they are in trouble!
Jfc lay off the psychotic punctuation please
So the defense fought to keep the affair out. Won. And is ready to blow it all up IN trial? This is insanity!!
Shannon Smith thinks that Jennifer's tainted character as a married woman won't register with a Jury of her peers ! Lets see - BAD Mother / BAD Wife / Self Centered - checks all the Boxes .
It’s a bit crazy but it’s also like you want it you got it. Unfortunately it makes things more confusing soooo I get it. Win defense 😮😮🤮🤮
@@Fromtheburg I don't see a win the this defense. Shannon " opening the door " was a Huge mistake. The Jury will not like her for cheating on her marriage & not taking care of Ethan. Not a sympathetic person at all !
@@ag4allgood having an affair isn’t criminal, and does not fall under child neglect, either
The defense attorney is the most unprofessional person I’ve ever seen! She’s whiny, rude, bombastic and foolish. Does anyone actually think she’s good?
the defense ‘attorney’ and the ‘judge’ are both ridiculously, absurdly, pretty close to criminally incompetent…
Thank God you came along. I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading on these videos.
It's quite the 🤡 show.
Wholeheartedly agree. This judge seems like she has no idea what's happening in her courtroom, seems dense and completely checked out. What a disgrace. And don't get me started on the defense attorney 🤦🙄.
I’m not hearing any” sustained “ or “ overruled “ by the judge. How is this OK? She seems to makes comments but not rule on anything.
Not to mention the defense being all over the place AND talking back to the judge.
100% agree!!! Both need to be reported and reviewed by their state bar assoc. Complete lack of professional decorum and making a mockery of the judicial system!
Wait so she was cheating on her husbnd? Lol this is all going down hill...
And her husband was cheating on her, but the last time I checked having affairs aren’t illegal and they’re not criminally charged either
Says a lot about her character, no family cohesiveness and probably wildly distracted, not parenting ++esp since she wanted kid walk home after not looking in his bookbag.
Husband wasnt cheating.
Where did you get that??
Maga Dad is CU cK like most male maga supporters 😂
@@tammyirwin703 you're 100% correct!
What is going on? Defense doesn't know who interviewed this witness but wants to accuse them of threatening? This is so weird.
He admitted on the stand they were threatening him. Soooo
@@Whiskey77921 well he admitted to the affair to the police. So they know he doesn't care about his marriage already. Same as Jennifer. I guess they used that as leverage to get him to talk if he was hiding things from them. Which I don't know if that's the case. He screwed up his life for his affair partner. I don't really feel that bad for him. And the police are allowed to lie and everybody knows that. There was a supreme court ruling on that. I'm just not sure where the defense is going.
@@camillelong2093 there’s a difference between police lying to you to get information and police and or detectives threatening you
If you watch his whole testimony @@Whiskey77921 you would see that at the very end the judge asked him flat out if he was threatened and his response was "no" that he believes when the detectives were asking about his job they were just trying to build a rapport with them. Shannon Smith is just grasping at straws..
@@camillelong2093Have they established that this witness was married himself or are you assuming this? I am sure he didn't want to tell the police that but it was all over the text messages between he and Jennifer so he could not have lied his way out of it better to confess immediately. It's not proof he didn't care if his wife found out.
Shannon Smith " Opened the door " to her client looking really BAD in front of that Jury ! Fire Chief putting out Jennifer's fire 🔥🚒 !
I have seen some pretty bad defense attorneys but not someone this belligerent and incompetent, in recent memory. How is this judge putting up with this nutcase defense laywer
What is going on in our judicial system?! One insane case after another.. not because of the crimes or the suspected criminal… but because the Judge, attorney or clerk has gone completely rogue!! It’s scary honestly!!
Judge doesn't know how to control the courtroom ie the attorneys. Witnesses I've seen have decorum. Appears defense atty has no trial experience, unprepared, anxious and the prosecutor knows this
I actually think it's on purpose by those who act out of control. Kind of like "I'm going to make sure I come out of this even more notorious and famous than people in the last high profile trial did." Everyone wants their 15 minutes. It's pathetic.
OMG this defense lawyer is absolutely unprofessional and is nerve wracking to watch
She may be the worst trial attorney I have ever witnessed. I feel sorry for Crumbley to be represented by such an unprofessional, unorganized and bumbling attorney. Everyone deserves competent representation.
She wanted this. This isn't a public defender.
Last thing I feel is sorry for JC! Justice for the victims families and loved ones
“I trust her” ……famous last words
If convicted... those famous last words will disappear into the ineffective representation black hole.
I was just thinking the same thing.
"I guess?.... I trust her."
The judge is a joke. She laughs with witnesses and today when she interjected “you have a beater car” to the witness and laughed…I was shocked! This is a case that could be made precedent…and the judge is acting ridiculous
and you wonder why the kid made the statement and or writing "my family is a mistake"
Wow sad
The defense attorney is so utterly objectionable. I feel that poor boy didn’t stand a chance with parents like James and Jennifer Crumbly. They are equally if not more responsible for that boy’s actions. 😢
Huh?
The defense atty gives me anxiety & a headache. I don’t understand her when she asks a question cause she also leading the witness at the same time.
Why file a motion to keep evidence out, then go against your own motion on the fly? It's just wasting court time and making defence look all over the place.
Please be easy with the guy she had an affair with. Hes been through a lot. He had to see her naked in person.
🤦🏻♀️
I'm certain that this dude will ask his next mistress if she's married or if her son has a gun. LOL
This defense attorney is going to end up getting this lady a new trial....
Yep. Ineffective representation
Her saying cachet instead of cache and not knowing the difference is killing me.
As a Michigander, I can assure you, the Oakland County Judges and attorneys are NEVER this unprofessional! The Judges are strict and in complete control of their courtroom! The attorneys are usually top notch, prepared and professional. Oakland county courtrooms are on the list of places you want to avoid! This case is very serious, Michigan deeply mourns the victims, the trickle effect of this has changed everyone. Watching this defense attorneys tantrums and trying desperately to hear this Judge makes it nearly impossible to watch. It’s unbelievable. It’s shameful.
Well said. I feel very much like you about all this.
Amen!!!
100% agreement from a fellow Michigander, 9 min drive from Oxford .
Will this same judge preside over James Crumbley’s case?
This defence attorney is awful.
I agree. She is immature and crass
She's a joke.
Insufferable
I am not for the defense at all
That is correct!
Thank God for this defense attorney. I have not been this entertained since Darell Brooks.
😂
Truth!!
Correct? Is that a yes?
Is this “Lawful Law”🤣
@@Type1MomRN oh no, did she say that?
This trial needs Justice Toal from the Murdagh hearing She would pull these attorneys into line
Could you imagine? She’d have that defence attorney on track in quick order or she’d be in contempt. Judge Toal has no patience for fools!
Too late for couples therapy.
This made me bust out laughing in this convenience store 😂
Lol
Guess Maga Dad Crumbly mistook the cck chair as therapy watching his wife with red lives lover boy
Apparently James was also having an 'affair'
The parents 🙆🏻♀️ absolutely FAILED their son. He was not a priority at all. They were too busy being selfish…MY LORD. 😢💔🤦🏻♀️ This is a tragedy…oh man the defense attorney didn’t meet with the witness prior to the trial. Jennifer’s attorney saying he has a bad memory…then she turns around and wants him to confirm his conversations with the police? That’s a mixed message about the changing or adding to his statement.
I definitely agree and support that the parents need to suffer the consequences for not taking the mental health seriously and still bought him a gun. 🤔⚖️🇺🇸.
That's republicans for you
Like I feel so bad for this mother this is insanity for real this has nothing to do with anything that boy did
I really feel bad for them they probably didn't think their son was going crazy
That's not right at all
@@ricardosalazar1150whaaat?
Why make this about yourself and why make this political. These are rotten apples through and through
She is the worst attorney I’ve seen on live streamed court proceedings 🤮
He HAS MEMORY PROBLEMS THAT SHE ESTABLISHED AND ASKING QUESTIONS TO HIM LOL
this JUDGE IS SO poor at controlling the court
“Cash-aye” 😂😂 I love that
Wish the judge would take control of her courtroom.
At least defense attorney didn't say she wants to kill herself on record today.
This attorney is terrible. who thought she’d be the best?
I looked her up, she’s known as an expert defence attorney in sex crimes, not murder.
@@patriciagallace5065 Defendant isn't being tried for murder.
@@patriciagallace5065 she didn’t do nassar any favors
The wise & attentive Mzzz Jennifer Crumbley, obviously did.
This defense attorney is giving sassy teenager energy! She’s hard to watch 😅
I know she is not good at all!! She looks like she on training sessions lol
This is like a play being rehearsed! WTH kind of court room is this? This judge seems to be clearly siding with the defense attorney, and has done so many times! I think she needs to step down from this case!
I really want to watch this trial. However, the defense attorney is one of THE most annoying people I have ever been exposed to! (CORRECT?) It is literally ALL she can stand to allow the witness to answer questions. I just can't stand the fact that the judge is being such a wimp, by allowing the way she phrases her questions. (Correct?) I guess I will wait until the jury reaches a verdict. (Correct?)
You're talking about people overusing words in an annoying way, correct? Maybe you should 🤪 L I T E R A L L Y 🤪 have a look at your own vocabulary, correct?
As CTV viewers, we’ve (unfairly) attacked many defence attys for their awful clients. But we’re in agreement- this atty is _horrendous_ .
When your clients son killed a heap of kids, & your client didn’t give a flying fart in space, it’s difficult to make them likeable to a jury.
But now I’m introducing the new theory of relativity, ladies & gentleman; Relative to this defence atty, Jennifer crumbly is a little less detestable.
That’s quite an extraordinary feat. Jokes aside, one really ought to take stock upon receiving such a consistent wave of horrified responses to your work- particularly when being liked by a jury is critical.
She defended Larry Nassar and was horrific for many reasons.
Can't stand the defence lawyer's voice! Why is she so loud and aggressive! My ears are bleeding!
She is a one lawyer firm. Her husband is her assistant. The only negative feedback she ever gets is losing cases.
A first in America a high schooler goes in a school kills 4 young kids and takes his whole family to prison with him
How are her lawyer's questions not leading?
one of the worst judges i've ever seen running the court in the crumbly case. she said the police is threatening him IN FRONT of the jury. shes so bad, and having to be told proper procedure by prosecution.. shes pathetic tbh.
Watching this defense attorney turn the courtroom into a circus is a level of cringe I'm not sure I can even wrap my brain around. But aside from that, I think my least favourite person in this courtroom is honestly the Judge, why is she being so lenient and sympathetic toward all the chaos in her courtroom??
What in the world is with this judge
Jennifer Crumbleys lawyer is highly emotional , unprofessional & way too animated for a lawyer .. all in front of the jury! She’s disrespectful yelling / speaking over the judge! Yelling/interrupting “IDONT CARE”
Shannon will be looking for a new job very soon after this traiwreck. CORRECTing exam papers maybe? 🤣🤣
I looked her up. Shannon Smith has her own private practice and she specializes in criminal sexual cases. Sixteen years of trying cases. Her voice makes me cringe.
@@KohalaLover She does indeed, represented Larry Nassar too. After this traiwreck, I think she might start thinking about alternatives 😁
Slinging burgers
@@StellaFlyikes! That says it all…
Defense attorney - how obvious it is that she cheated on her exams in college 😂
Why didn't the prosecution shut the defense down, they're not even listening? She's just accused them of getting the witness to lie and SHE'S RUNNING THE COURT ROOM with her big mouth.
As a clinical psychologist who has evaluated dozens of emotionally distressed students who may have posed a danger to their fellow students, I find the story of Oxford High School administrators allowing Ethan Crumbley back into the classroom profoundly disturbing.
It is beyond insane what the judge is letting defense attorney get away with....
The judge seems wishy washy and should be taking a firm line with the advocates especially defence council. She is bending over backwards to assist the defence attorney instead of slapping her down.
What a stupid stupid defense she has made Jennifer look worse just to show law enforcement intimidated witness. WHAT A FOOL
Judge is practically holding the defense attorneys hand unbelievable
This is a precedent setting case that might finally shine the light on parental responsibility for their children's mental health and gun ownership. That doesn't necessarily mean an affair led her to neglecting her kid. We need to wait for all of the evidence. The attorney's heightened affect didn't help.
Wow, i knew how to say cache when i was 8 years old.
Most people know the correct pronunciation, but the defense attorney is a complete fool!
"Are we gonna have another week of trial talking about how terrible Mrs Crumbley is?" Judge Cheryl Matthews
Not terrible but too busy with lovers and horses to pay sufficient attention to her child...you know negligent. Mrs Crumbley seems very selfish to me. The state of the house freaked me out.
The defense attorney has an immensely grating voice.
The judge has lost ALL control 🤦🏼♀️
The judge didn’t have full control in that courtroom. Things that were supposed to side-bared are put out before the jury to hear. Very embarrassing
Parental neglect =
Tragic consequences
Jennifer Crumbly wanted to be her sons friend and this judge wants to be the defense attorneys friend. Get a grip.
That defense attorney is not the sharpest tool in the box 😂
She's probably a court appointed attorney
This Defense Attorney is all over the place!!! Seems extremely unprofessional to help Prove her client is a liar and a cheat while NOT being a parent to her mentally unstable child at home!! WOW 😅
Jennifer Crumbly has really aged.
If I was the defendant…I would have NEVER stated that I TRUSTED this defense attorney; thereby, undermining my Appeal for Ineffective Counsel
👍🤣👍🙏
This defense attorney would be a great fit for reality TV.
🤡🤡🤡
Yes, it could be called, “Who Wants to be Convicted?”
Yeah. Totally. We don't have enough overpaid, obnoxious people in reality TV 😂
She is so whiny 😫🙄
Jennifer doesn’t look the same
crappy parents and morals destroy the minds of the young. Who knew......
The Defense Attorney has no Courtroom Etiquette. Needs some Adderall.
i’m sorry but between the evidence and the defense attorney this lady is COOKED
What is she 17 years old? She needs some professional training.
Marie's first statement hit the nail on the head. As an emotional woman myself, she's definitely way too emotional and her constant whining and lack of respect for the judge is so unprofessional.
The speaking objections and even 3-party full-on discussions about objections that come very close to mentioning facts not in evidence in the presence of the jury is kind of yikes 😬
Neither defence nor state respect this judge.
The judge isn't behaving respectably or conducting this court with any profession standards.
Her focus was not on her child. This is so sad.
There are tons of bad parents out there. Her being selfish doesn't make her responsible for the son killing his classmates.
Jail has not been kind to her.
She looks awful!
I'll say! She looks AWFUL!!!
How did she gain so much weight on prison food ?
@@pjnix5618locked up 24/7 no exercise
It seems like the prosecutor cares more about the defendant than the defense attorney does. Good grief.
Painful I can’t watch this anymore
The defense attorney is so incompetent as is this judge👿
Elle Woods is doing a great job defending Jennifer. "I can use legal jargon in everyday life......I object!"