Why Does Robin Love Liquid Screed? - Capel #12
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- It's time for the screed to go down on the Capel Build now and Robin couldn't be more excited. He's been using liquid screed from for around 10 years and in this video, you'll find out why he thinks it's the perfect solution, especially for screeding over underfloor heating.
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Great job everyone involved, and what a brilliant presenter Robin is. Could easily host a TV show, top drawer. I contacted Southern Screed for my job off the back of this, but sadly they were just a few miles too far away. They were happy to recommend Screed IT who are national and use the same tech. Thanks for making the vid
I've never seen Robin that excited - almost screeding with joy!! ;)
Love watching Robin's videos. Seems an ideal bloke to work with and learn from. A far cry from a lot of experienced builders I've met on sites who are complete a-holes. Looking through the comments it seems some of them have been on here.
Thank you Jon
It’s really looking fantastic Robin it will be beautiful when it’s finished well done
A great insight to the process thanks Robin.
That was really interesting. A great job done by all. Never knew there was further prep to do after it cured.
really interesting a very well put together video, well done
Looks Awesome! Well done to all concerned.
I have been on Hundreds of tons of screed in 16years,,,and 100% agree liquid screed if done properly is brilliant!!!
No matter how good you are you will never get it that flat with a dry mix
done it for the first time a few weeks ago... was a joy over the old method
Lovely stuff to fit wood floors, furniture, kitchens etc to. The houses we used to build always had liquid screed, much nicer to work on.
Catching up on this build when I can... this is the most interesting video so far. Thanks Robin!!
To Rob and the skilled builder family, this is the best series ever. I enjoy this much more than Grand design because it’s real trade life. I am a builder here in Australia and I can relate with you guys so much. Keep the videos coming as I look forward to watching them everyday.
Commercial builder from across the pod. That’s a beautiful home. Great videos as always!
I've been a time served carpenter for over 30 years, and rarely come across fellow tradesmen that are as knowledgeable and competent as this fellow and have a genuine passion for their work. There is genuinely not many guys about like this. (or if there is I haven't met many of them).
Thanks for your kind words, I will take that from a fellow carpenter with your experience, all the best and good health Robin
Product installed on this particular project was the Gypsol Rapide, which is typically dry after 14 days, then allowing floor coverings! 👍🏼😁
Ive been laying screeds for over 30 years.......the old fashion, hard way for most of them, ive been on the liquids for 10 years now......definitely saved me from hard work in my latter years of like :) i'm not too sure about the volumetric truck delivering here in west Wales, it wouldn't get anywhere near most of the jobs i do, and must have a higher per m2 rate for it........although i still lay anhydrite screed (6.8m3 on today) i used Cemfloor cement based liquid screed 80% of the time now......needs no sanding or sealing and can use any adhesives that can be used cement based screeds for floor coverings ...........great video, especially on the preparation part..........still lots get the prep wrong.....as you state....get the floor in as early as you can. Geoff www.westwalesscreeding.com
What a brilliant method. Best possible mix, constant flow.
Great to see proper professional trades people doing a great job. And what a piece of kit that truck is. Well done to the company for seeing the value in investing in that (presumably) expensive piece of kit.
You look so pleased with that,and so you should be.great build done with thought.👍
I’m impressed with the fixing, preparation and density of the pipework. It looks great. The DPM looks very clean, free from debris and well anchored, it’s all about preparation. Well done. Interested to hear the pipes were filled with water beforehand, so helps with allowing for micro expansion but above all tested for leaks. So often builders seem to ignore the finicky bits, that later emerge as problematic. The devil is always in the detail.
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evanofelipe filling with water also stops them trying to float
We used this on a big job outside London, bloody amazing stuff!
Looks awesome, great stuff!
Great episode. Love Robin’s enthusiasm for new technology and good products. Great channel guys 👍🏻👌🏼
Thanks Luke
That was a cool episode, thanks
Booked these guys in after seeing this video. They did a great job really nice company you cant ask for more. Southern screeds use them.
Next time Anhydrite screed is laid it would be great to see how professionals take off the latence/ dust layer - I've seen anhydrite screeds popping tiles even after using specialist compounds for laying the tiles and its usually down to how well that layer was removed (or not). Great videos
This video is being used at my university, great content! As always!
Really good rob. Interesting video and promoting products and companies doing good work. 👍🏼
Your house is amazing !
Bloody enjoyed that 👍
definitely the way to go, well done
Excellent as usual 👍👍👏👏
Great video, it's important your installers give you all the pertinent information about drying out, use of UFH and preparation for any cementious finishes you may propose. Correct sanding, priming and choice of adhesive are crucial if you are to avoid problems. Don't forget this is essentially plaster, so don't get it wet!
So fun to watch :)
Interesting to see them use a send and receive laser. We just use a normal laser lever set it to the height and make sure it shines on the bottom edge of the plate on the tripods. definitely a good development using a truck with a pump attached. Only ever used a volumetric truck and separate pump! Don't forget to use the correct primer and adhesive !
Saves a lot of graft. Like it.
Something about a liquid screed pour being very therapeutic. I think Robin and for us chippies having a flat floor is something to get excited about maybe that’s why you were haha 👍🏻
You are spot on, it is great running skirting and joinery over this, great observation, chippies rule!!!
Amazing video guys. So excited to start my own huge project in Camberley/Frimley. Will give these guys a call.
How did it go?
@@george4vIogging exactly a year later, £250,000 (£100k over budget) I’m finally finished and you would be correct in assuming I’m not excited anymore. So glad it’s over. Never again.
@@ahmedshah1
Wow.
My journey has just started in Worcester Park. I am completing contracts on the house soon and have 101 different ideas.
Double Storey Protruding extension with lofts is my plan. Let's see what happens.
I hope you enjoy your newly found peace.
I am grateful for your reply after all this time.
If I may ask, did you end up using these guys in the end? How much did they cost?
What a pukka job! Didn't know this even existed. Learning a lot from this channel.
You've got to admire Robins passion for building
Thanks Blake
I concreted our house floors using a product called Agilia. It is a self levelling and self compacting concrete so has aggregate in it giving superior strength. It went down as fast as this and gave a finish much like liquid screed as the aggregate sinks from the surface. I'm not sure whether its ok for underfloor heating pipes tho. It was walkable the next day.
Thanks Steve we will check it out
Just been quoted £976 per cubic metre!!!
Floor area is 20 m2 and we wanted it 75mm deep, so 1.5 cu mtrs...£1,464 for a little extension!
Insane.
We did screeds a couple of months ago in our self build. (Liquid screed, product was called “Hiflow”.) Agree, such a milestone feeling. Very brave of you not to cover up those sliding doors :) We had traditional pump and separate mixer lorry, volumetric would have been so much better. Can I ask, what sliding door system did you go with, and did you install yourself?
Hi Mat, thanks for your comment, I used Smarts systems for all my fenestration, it's good value and really nicely made, I did fit every window and door!!!
Hi, I used this system in the winter, we had the new ceiling plastered a week before. The screed was pumped in and finished by 12 o’clock. By 3 o’clock the customer phoned me to say the entire ceiling had come down in one pice. All the drywall screw were still in the joists. Just need to be aware the moisture content of this method 26m2 of ceiling dropping in one go could kill someone.
They did say there is a lot of moisture given off in curing, so sounds like the ceiling was premature.
Hello of a truck, we supply cement based liquid screeds that dry in 2 weeks and require no sanding! Burton Liquid screed based in Warwickshire.
I have heard good reports of cement based flow screeds. Tilers prefer them
I’ve just had 180m2 poured in Cheshire very very impressive no borrowing over pipes etc I will never go back to mixed and trowelled screed
Hi robin you I use self levelling concrete as good a finish but only one operation much more cost affective
Thank you for the video Robin, in the footage it is mentioned that a colour (pigment) can be added to the screed, can you please share what type/brand of pigment is compatible with this type of screed? Thank you for your time Robin, the very best to you and yours. Kind regards Luke.
I did enjoy that.
You absolutely need the right kit and the right people for this job. Any leaks would be a nightmare to sort after the screed is laid.
Not enough Robin videos!
Agreed!
I prefer a few high-quality videos over more low substance videos.
There are more on their way
Unfortunately he’s too busy dying his hair and eyebrows
@@isyt1 His wife is a beautician, there have to be some perks.
My liquid screed going in on Thursday. Soooo looking forward to it
Film the process and put it on UA-cam 🙂
@@ashrevlution3456 I'm not much of a UA-camr I'm afraid.
Hope your screed went well, thanks for the comment
@@ukconstruction thanks Robin, but didn't happen. Plumber needed more time to lay the UFH. So next week now!!! Love your videos.
How much did they charge per m2
Loves it cos of the discount 😂
all very impressive. If only 25mm of PIR could be fitted underneath this screed how would the efficiency and value in underfloor heating be affected ?
Really good detail in these videos guys, they are a massive help to us. Robin, did you say you bond the DPM down to the PIR?
No need to bond it is just there to protect the foil face and, in the case of liquid screeds, to prevent it leaking out so joints are corners have to be overlapped and taped.
It would have been nice to see the finished screed floor!
The only problem with anahidrate screed for flooring purposes you have to use special glues and primers and cannot have any moisture left in the screed as it softens over time if moisture is seald in the screed
Hi, out of curiosity why did you choose an a hydrate screed over a cement based product?
What happens when there is a shortage of sand as recently mentioned in the press?
So how and where do you learn these skills??
nice job, can you give a ballpark cost per sq or cubic m for this product?
I onky used to do lay small screeds now and then but I dreaded it Lol
Its horrible working on your knees for a few hours in the damp.
I was subbing for a builder about 8 years ago and he came really unstuck when he tiles straight on top of gypsum screed! Would of liked to hear some costings on this, I always specify standard screed which has been great as long as I use decent guys to lay it
it needs priming before you put any tiles or floor adhesives on top, obviously once its dried out. I swear by this kind of screed its cleaner faster more efficient and more accurate.
I retired from Plastering/Screeding in 2007 - never got to see or use this system - If Only we had them back in the day? .... Especially in the 60's/70's when mixers were a REAL luxury for us when Screeding and having to knock up by hand first thing in the morning. The old back suffered and there were times when you daren't stand up straight incase you couldn't bend down again to load the wheelbarrow with even MORE torture at the end of the day :-)
It's a shame though that Screeders might need to diversify because their Mortgage payment start to dry up :-(
how much does it cost per month to heat up the floor or cost per day
thx from Canada
So when do we get the video with the straight edge on it after its fully cured?😁Haven't seen any video's on UA-cam like that for some reason???
Can you do your own liquid mix for this underfloor heating, 75m2 or is it too much, you need to get a supplier who pumps it in
Great video! Is my understanding correct that the DPM needs to be seamless? Is the UFH piping 'stapled' to the PIR via the DPM? Would that not be an issue?
It is not a damp proof membrane. The floor has one of those underneath the insulation. Never let insulation get wet. The polythene you see is to protect the foil face of the insulation from attack and, essentially to stop the liquid screed getting under the insulation and floating it up. That needs to be 100% watertight
Laymen here. If you use something like gluedown LVT as your finish, don't you need to sand the top layer of anhydrite screed off first? Otherwise, the LVT could come off with this top layer? Deciding between this and the traditional screed.
Nvm, was commenting halfway through the vid. And they mention it at 14mins
Robin, do you ever build stud walls on top of the screed or do you always put them in before?
you can build non loadbearing partitions off the screed
Cost wise, how does this compare to sand and cement and a couple of fellas with a mixer and wheelbarrows?
I swear by this kind of screed its cleaner faster more energy efficient and more accurate. The only drawback is the lorries can be huge so you need to have good access to site.
Love watching your videos but you can get cement based liquid screed much faster curing time we use arun pumps for our jobs in n the south 💪🏼
What is your opinion of running plastic central heating pipes inside conduit and then screed over the top ?
I currently have a 100mm raised timber floor (pipes underneath) on top of concrete floor. Previous owners had burst pipes so the wooden floor got wet. It’s now obviously dry but has no ventilation so smells musty. I can’t afford underfloor heating so thought about doing the above and getting rid of all the timber.
Is this a good idea ?
Put some ventilation in? There must be an external wall?
HunGrLoW yes each room has an external wall. The chipboard floor has black spots of mold in places so not sure if just adding ventilation will fix the problem.
I’ve never seen a sub floor like this before. My previous house was a new house so had suspended timber floor and obviously air bricks. This looks like it was originally a concrete floor (no air bricks) and the built this frame and chipboard floor in top to hide pipes. Question is do I replace the subfloor and add air bricks or go with the screed ?
Hi Robin. I'm getting mixed advice regarding the two liquid screed types: cement based (Cemfloor) vs anhydrite. Both have liquid properties that are well suited to UFH. Anhydrite requires sanding the latiance afterwards though which is a bit of a faff. Do you have an opinion?
The cement based flow screed is better because there is no need to sand and it is more stable especially if it gets wet.
This video is a bit more up to date ua-cam.com/video/_YwrUMp2u1o/v-deo.html
2:05 where he talks about "convection" think he meant to say "conduction", good video all the same
nomad9 I’d say infrared heat radiation.
Hot topic 🤣🤷🏼♂️
Yeah. You would want to reduce convection and only get conduction in the floor.
Could you not silicone the overlaps on the membrane as opposed to taping the joints ?
Hi Patrick, you can silicone the laps it works well too
How much do screeders charge per m2
must difficult to fix anything to floors, not much coverage above underfloor pipes?
Lovely Job Robin. You look well have you lost weight.
Anyone know how much they charge per sq metre?
That look's almost like water! How high is the volume content?
There is no shrinkage. The water is absorbed in the setting stage.
Is it 50"" PIR that you use? I have learnt a lot by watching. Thank you kindly.
We have 150 pir under the screed
Robin Clevett Thankyou for replying mate, really appreciated as we are looking to do the same in a new extension
@@iangough7659 no problem hope it goes well
What is, PIR? 🤔
The hemihydrate screed can rehydrate after drying out.
If you get it wet. No good for flood areas.
Interesting.
No I in team
we use to use that stuff and if I recall it was a mm a day to dry up to 40 mm and 1/2 a mm a day after that. not much of a problem on big builds but could be problematic on smaller jobs. the same company now do a cement based liquid screed which only takes 21 days to be fully cured which ideal.
I think the cement based liquid screed is a good bet. The gypsum based stuff is fine in the right place. You can dry it with the underfloor heating after the curing time and there are accelerators.
This screed has an additive that speeds up the drying time, it's called Rapide
@@ukconstructionits amazing stuff. I dont know why anyone would still use traditional screeding methods.
Wow robins 50??
You’ve clearly taken good care of your self robin!
I’d believe you if you’d said you were then years younger!
Thanks to my wife looking after me!!!!!
Robin Clevett Haha, in the words of Alan Partridge,lovely stuff!
robin as come along way since is first vid on skill builder ah aha hope he see this !
Thanks mate
There is no "i" in team but there is "me" in it!
What is the warranty on the underfloor pipe work?
50 years
How did they get the tripod levels out?
They just fish them out as they retreat out of the door
Does any body know how much 150 sqm would have cost? I’m guessing they’re more expensive than other companies due to the tech they use??
I don’t know the cost but I have used them twice and I didn’t think it was bad compared to the work involved doing this in a normal manner. The joined the second pour to the first and the levels were so good that I could tile straight over. One of these rooms is really quite big but I don’t remember being concerned at cost.
I will definitely use them every time now.
Is that UFH wet filled or air?
Normally water to weigh the pipes down and stop them floating.
Could this be done at home by a DIY person with good skill?
There are plenty of bagged products that will self level up to 40mm thick. We have a video on the Weber products and they are just right for something like a kitchen extension and work well with underfloor heating ua-cam.com/video/-0O_Ldb70z0/v-deo.html
I take it you don't suffer with any expansion issues with this produc
A lorry that mixes self leveler
Had all my tools stolen out of my van this week. Anyone have a vault box that they can reccomend??. Build coming on nicely robin 👍
Sorry to hear that Danny. It seems to be that the dark evenings are bringing out the tool thieves, we have heard of a lot of van break-ins over the last few weeks. Needless to say it is not high on anyone's political agenda right now, they talk about more police but the thieves need to receive harsher penalties.
@@SkillBuilder You think so? I'm guessing that a lot of these thieves never get caught. In which case, more police would be more useful. What I mean is, I expect a thief is not really weighing up the length of jail time they might get, rather weighing up the likelihood of getting caught. If you're not expecting to be caught then knowing that there is a two year sentence as opposed to a one year (for example) probably isn't in your thoughts. In fact, unless you're going down the chopping hands off route, I don't believe sentencing could really have significant impact on this type of crime.
Edit: A fantastic video! And, also, sorry to hear about your tools Danny, that's tragic.
@@ricos1497 The police in Mitcham South London caught a bloke stealing tools from a van in the early hours and they let him go. This is a low priority crime for them and if somebody is caught there is unlikely to be a prison sentence.
I am telling you categorically that the police say "Claim on your insurance" and unless there is something like good CCTV that shows something they don't even come out to look. I had tools stolen last year and that was their response.
Nothing will change because nobody cares about us.
@@SkillBuilder That's interesting that they caught someone and let them go. I've had the "claim on your insurance" reason too (not for tools), but was given the impression that it was a resource issue that they couldn't devote time to it. In other words, if they had double the amount of officers, then resource could be given up for the cause. Is it a case that "nobody cares" or is it just that they care more about other things? My experience was of a house burglary (3 actually!) but again I got the impression that there were assualts and such like that were more of a priority and I could understand that. Frustrating as it was.
With regards wagons getting on site... i say... " are you a driver or a screwdriver? " this usually embarasses them into at least trying.. 😝
Shame there wasn’t a follow up video to actually see how level it turned out
There are lots of follow videos just look for Capel Build
10:08 Bag in too, wtf!
They always do that even on Cemex I have seen it. You won't find the bag in the pump.
@@SkillBuilder It's a fracture waiting to happen. The manual clearly says don't do that. Smh.
This is the self dissolving bag that holds the addative that makes this screed a Rapid drying solution so the bag can be popped straight in the hopper!!!
@@ukconstruction Dissolving bag, go on, pull the other one.
The bags are made from PVA and dissolve instantly when they come into contact with water. They are absolutely fine in the mix. it's what they are designed for....