Surprisingly, I got a lot less backlash for saying Edgeworth is boring than I thought I would get. I actually got some people agreeing with me. Also to give the fandom credit, the majority of the people who disagreed with me were really nice about it. I am getting comment like why I didn't choose Winston Payne or Nahyuta or any prosecutor like that, well I didn't think of it and I personally don't find those two prosecutors that boring. Neither are fantastic characters, but I don't find them that boring. My first choice for the "boring prosecutor" was actually Sir Zacharias Barnham. If any of you were like "who the hell is that?" my answer is "exactly!" I ended up not going with him because I wasn't confident I would find a code for him and I wanted to be bold. There are also some people who are like "how is Edgeworth more boring than Klaiver?" Here's the thing, I don't think Klavier is boring, he's just mishandled. They could've done a lot more with him being a rockstar prosecutor and with him dealing with his brother just being sent to prison for murder. However, I still overall like Klavier. Edgeworth on the other hand, is overused. You face him at least once in every main series game with the exception of Apollo Justice, he got two spin off games, and he even hijacked Franziska's plot because the writers wanted to write him more. He is one of the most pushed characters in the entire franchise; however, despite all this attention, he has barely left an impression on me as a character. Seriously, I only use him in my Objection Lols when I have to for the most part. It's not out of malicious intent, but really out of apathy. Even in my fan case scripts (Link: archiveofourown.org/users/TheMellowFilmmaker/works), I included Klavier because I wanted to and I only included Edgeworth because of his importance to Franziska's story. I think I did end up doing something interesting Edgeworth in story regardless, but for the most part I don't find him very interesting. I know I'm a minority on this, but I don't care. You can't really convince me to find this guy compelling. The only defense of Edgeworth that I got that made some sense to me was that he was hot.
i just think the video is funny :p i mostly agree on Edgeworth tho but its mostly because he's in so many cases than when the prosecutor is NOT edgeworth its a breath of fresh air
@@starlite5154 right? I was so excited when I got a new Von karma and then EDGEWORTH is just like "my loves I've returned 😏" (I did that cause he gets a funny lil smirking sprite in the second game) I also loved facing Godot, which it also gave franziska a chance to show up again, (but then Edgeworth was the defense so he kinda outshines her as "oh my God! Edgeworth is in Phoenix's roll!"
You know how I feel about your view of Edgeworth. It's kinda like today, when I could barely walk w/o complaints from my blood pressure. Anyhow............ Imayhavesaidhaonce.
Edgeworth may be less conceptionally interesting and less interesting personality-wise as Klavier, but Edgeworth is more popular since he has a great role in the plots of the trilogy. His story in the first game is really well executed and compelling, him coming back as a more wise person in JFA who actually needs to teach Phoenix something is likewise great, and playing as him in T&T is similarly great fan service. Because of this he is one of the most important and deep characters in Ace Attorney. Klavier should be great. Both his personality and concept are far more interesting than Edgy, but Apollo Justice is just not a very well written game. So despite how he really should have a character arc, with him being Kristoph's brother and all, he just doesn't. His relationship with the core cast members of Apollo Justice is also stagnant, so we don't see him change. (this is a problem with the whole cast of AJ:AA - all of the characters act basically identical from 5 minutes after their introduction to the end of the game. This gives Klavier no part of the plot for the audience to see into him through. And so he becomes boring as a result. This is also why Klavier barely returns, he wasn't used in a compelling enough way in his debut game for people to want to see him in later entries.
I really don't think Edgeworth is a boring character. Maybe boring in-universe, but that's likely because he's a workaholic. But what makes him interesting is what he does do, not what he doesn't.
@@coreyhorlacher3460Which ironically, Winston is also slightly interessting but for the exact opposite reason. He is all about what he doesn't do, for example rigging the trial.
Apollo's backstory doesn't even change. He just got stuff added onto it. I'll even simplify it. Apollo's parents were traveling entertainers but his dad died so he was raised in a foreign country for his childhood until he placed into the care of the "United States". He eventually had a best friend obsessed with space. The magician thing is more of a side note since it doesn't define his character.
AA7: Jove is revealed to be an alien from a planet of warriors who originally arrived on Earth to conquer it, but ended up falling in love and having a son. Apollo must now use his newly discovered superpowers, inherited from his father, to protect Earth from evil.
@@petruciosxd1374 and a monster comes down to earth to fight him every week, and he gets a convenient power that he only ever uses like once or twice in that same day.
@@MeeMeeCandy777 I saw that you left a kudos. Thanks. If you have any feedback on it I’d love to hear it (ether here in this reply section or on AO3 is fine)
edgeworth isn't boring, he's just overworked. he enjoys tokusatsu, he has a ninja phantom thief follow him around, he has at least three characters which are canonically attracted to him (granted one is like 80), but he works so much he's lost the ability to keep up with those around him.
I think the main reason I find Edgeworth boring is that he’s everything you’d expect the character to be. He’s got his tragic backstory, he’s super serious and broody, and whenever he does something morally questionable it turns out everything is fine and he’s practically an angel. The only thing you need to describe him is that he’s “the rival”.
Edgeworth's 'edge' was also sanded off in Rise From the Ashes. In the first few games, the most interesting thing about Edgeworth is his morally grey side. He used to use fraudulent evidence to get convictions for his perfect record, he didn't care if Adrian Andrews killed himself. But I think Capcom saw how popular his character was and decided that he should be made into a generally good guy as to not offend any of his fangirls. Like when RftA makes it clear that he wasn't a corrupt prosecutor (which basically ruins the whole point of the plot of the first game)
@@jameskowanko7574i don't see it that way considering it is actually VERY vague on whether or not edgeworth actually DID use forged evidence ever plus edgeworth may be a bit morally grey in the first game but he begins to lean more towards being a good guy with his actions by the end of turnabout samurai with helping phoenix take down dee vasquez rise from the ashes only really expands more on edgeworths character and technically he DOES use forged evidence once in the SL-9 incident but he didn't know it was forged its part of his arc in the stupidly long ass and irritatingly tedious case that edgeworth comes to terms with the facts that damon gants final words were kinda true he COULD have ended up just like damon gant himself and well probably also to edgeworth manfred von karma as well if he kept going on as he currently was then by the time farewell my turnabout comes around edgeworth has come the conclusion that fighting for the TRUTH above all else is what matters most to him now his character does kinda follow a natural progression in turnabout sisters his first reunion with phoenix he brushes off phoenix as insignificant but over the case he gets bested over and over again until by the time the end of turnabout samurai he starts changing slightly starting to show signs of his new outlook already of wanting to fight for the truth then turnabout goodbyes probably was the original turning point for edgeworth then rfta came around and decided to add more onto edgeworths character while also technically making phoenix hating edgeworth throughout most of jfa mostly come off now as if hes a damn jaded ex or some shit like that but regardless edgeworths whole arc built up him changing into acting more like a good guy now from the story i don't think it was because of fangirls or anything it was because of the story fitting well with him changing for the better
Alita: So what got you into watching paint dry? Edgeworth: Its sort of a long story, but ever since that day in the courtroom elevator, when I used to beleive I had killed my own father accidentally by throwing a gun, I would punish myself by spending any time I wasn't working by sitting and watching Paint dry. Sometimes I would do this overnight if there wasn't a trial the next morning, but I think that was moreso to stay the nightmares. ... Nowadays, i suppose ive gotten used to it. It's comfortable, in a sort of cruel way... It always left me time to think about life, my work, and the people I affect every day. I suppose that's why I like listening to BPR. Sure, sometimes I hear about something new, but I can always ignore it and think. ... Alita: Quit trying to guilt trip me. You didn't actually have to kill someone like I did. Edgeworth: This relationship can't work, I HATE criminals.
I like Edgeworth because of the commentary on mental health, but you know, fair shake, I can see why you might think he's too uptight to be interesting. I think he falls more into the comically serious as a trope because funny stuff is always happening to him and his non-reaction makes it funnier, but that kind of humor is a case by case thing. Admittedly I don't know that I think Klavier has much going on besides being friendly and nice and maybe a bit of a playboy, he's like if the evil family member/mentor only messed with him on occasion so he didn't become mean and felt free to choose a different job and life path from what he was told he was supposed to do. So I might actually switch how I'd rate the prosecutors from how you do it.
Thank you for being civil. Edgeworth is technically better written than Klavier. Klavier would probably be considered cooler in universe mostly due to Edgeworth's stoicism. Like he probably would enjoy watching paint dry. I'm personally not a fan of the character, but I probably wouldn't mind him so much if he wasn't a screen time glutton that was benefitting from favoritism on the part of the developers. Though that's a story for another video.
@@TheMellowFilmmaker I think it might be even worse than watching paint dry tbh, I think Edgeworth's only interests outside tea, cars, and Steel Samurai are probably whatever helps him with his cases or investigations. There's a scene in the movie credits where he demonstrates that he learned to play guitar *just* to make a point in a trial to fight Phoenix about. Like the dude really needs to get some permanent hobbies.
@@rebellemuria in his defense, he calls it 'logic chess' so I doubt it'd play by the same rules. He probably knows how to play regular chess but that's just my guess. He does know of things like castling at least, dunno ab the more advanced 'en passant' rule
I forgive the Edgeworth slander only because the "Hmmm. It turns out I'm bisexual." bit made me laugh very hard. And yes, even as a fan of Edgey, he is a boring af person.
I kinda hate when Alita is compared to the freaking Dahlia. Like, COME ON! Dahlia was set to be "the big bad" from the beginning of the third game. She was in three out of five cases, plus had a background one! She is demon in the flesh! And Alita? Get serious, guys! She's one-time villain in one, mostly filler case. Give her some slack!!! I would even argue that she's actually refreshingly grounded villain. She has a set-in-reality motive, she's put up a decent fight for a case 2 villain, there was a few good twists in her(like the irony of her taking us as a defence attorney or that she was also attacked), there was at least some sympathetic parts to her, but she was extremely realistic anyway. Plus, i personally find her design kinda pretty. Yea, she isn't that flashy, but... Let's be honest. When was the last time our killer had actually realistic motives, more or less calm design and wasn't a total psyco or a joke caracter? You would be surprised, BUT THE LAST TIME WE HAD A VILLAIN LIKE THAT WAS NOT EVEN IN T&T, BUT IN *JFA*! You can argue which character exactly fits the bill, but you can't deny that. Because T&T just mostly forgot about what a "realistic villain" even is! Dahlia is, ofc, out of the question. Luke Atmey was a whack. And Furio was an extremely comedic villain. Even Kristoph had a veil of misteriousness around him. Alita was the first grounded and set in reality villain *in quite a while*. But after the whole third game, which was outstanding despite its "unseriousness", people were just a bit spoiled with flashy, in all aspects, villains. Be honest with yourself, people. You just bashing her after she failed your expectations to be "as unique as T&T characters, or at least to live up to Dahlia's legacy of «inocent outside, mean inside» shtick to a T". And after that you were disappointed. Because of your own and VERY hight expectations. Which WOULD be ruined sooner or later anyway! Because it's impossible to always go bigger and louder than before. One day, you would have to turn it down a notch. It's just so happens that it happened with Alita, of all people. Let us not ridicule her as someone she had the potential to be, but appreciate her as someone she already is. And who is she? She's a young woman that desired some thrills in her life and a fat wallet filled with money(as .any people would like). Who was intelligent enough to manipulate not only her "husband", but his parents as well. Who can be imagined as a real person in our world unlike T&T cast of villains. And finally, who's perfectly played her past as a bit of the game's overall theme of "betrayal". Let us just enjoy the game as is. #Respect_Alita
I respect the essay on why she's a good character, however, I don't think anyone in the ace attorney fandom cares about a reasonable/grounded/realistic villain, because an unrealistic villain is entertaining. You brought up good points, but the large basis of your argument is kinda flawed imo, I think if people cared about realistic villains, they wouldn't be in the AA fandom to begin with. Although I do agree that a realistic villain is somewhat refreshing
Objection! The one interesting thing about Edgeworth is his despising of murderers due to the death of his father. He’d never be attracted to one, or at least attracted enough to ignore a 10+ year age gap with someone who is younger than his sister and his assistant that he gets in the Investigations games. Let him look over the court record one more time and go “Oh my, literally the only thing interesting about you is that you are just barely old enough to not count as a bratty teenager. Never mind.” But yeah, everything else is spot-on, or at least I’ll give it a pass because it’s funny, and this is hilarious.
Just because you didn’t find it entertaining when he found himself pathologically incapable of backing down from a staring contest with his reflection doesn’t mean you need to climb a hill with a bayonet.
Not just in Ace Attorney either. Aside from like, twice in the first game, once in the second game, and then once in the third game, I ended up either loving every killer in the Danganronpa series, or at least loving their murder plan.
Edgeworth doing a long eye-to-eye and then going "I have just discovered that I'm bi and am dropping all charges" had me cracking up enough that I instantly fully forgive you calling him the most overrated character. XD ...That said, if you still do wanna die on that hill, I'm sure someone else in this comment section's gonna need to hire Phoenix Wright to defend them by the end of the day, lol.
Apollo's grandfather could be a clairvoyant, and his grandmother a space alien with hair antennae, and it wouldn't make Apollo more interesting. He could've been born inside a volcano and have a talent for stunt biking, and maybe Klavier would give a small nod to him.
I can agree with the Apollo thing lol, my order of defense attorneys goes: Athena, Phoenix, Apollo. The reason being is I love Athena's story and personality, same with Phoenix but he's just being overwritten at this point, and Apollo just has like nine different backstories, Capcom just didn't give him a set backstory or something.
Now I would take Apollo over Athena any day. I basically had to force myself to get through DD and I'm kind of feeling the same with SoJ. It might just be that Shu Takumi wasn't the one who directed those ones and so it has a different feel to it, but like it just has a different vibe and I can't really get into those like I can the trilogy and AJAA. I sped through AJAA in like a weekend and I'm kind of sad that I did that as he isn't really relevant in DD and I'm still on the first trial for SoJ but I know you play as him and his back story comes into play a lot in that game.
I haven’t finished spirits of justice so no spoilers but Dual destinies is honestly way too overhated. I think Athena’s character/backstory is actually interesting whereas there’s not much to say about Phoenix and Apollo’s. But in the last SoJ case (the one I’m on) they’re starting to explore his backstory a bit more so I’m excited to see what they do with it Honestly apollo is pretty relevant in dual destinies or Spirits of Justice. You get more cases with him than Athena and an equal amount of cases with Phoenix But yeah I miss the trilogy and AJ vibes A LOT. But I love the new games too. I adore all three of our defence attorneys equally and it’s so fun to watch Athena and Apollo’s dynamic together
I was just thinking about it and Apollo gets quite a bit of backstory from Apollo justice to Dual Destinies to spirits of justice. Idk but he’s definitely NOT irrelevant 😭 Plus you get a lot of cases with him
Dual Destinies is the worst game without question. Athena’s backstory is literally just Edgeworth and Ema Skye’s backstories mashed together. Don’t even get me started on the abomination that was Turnabout Academy.
What about Nahyuta Sahdmahdi? He effectively said and did the exact same thing three cases in a row and didn't deviate from his little list of quotes until you're near the end of the last case. I feel like Nahyuta is definitely in the running for most boring.
@@joshuawillis602 I thought the whole point of Winston Payne was to be the most boring, unmemorable person in the game. Phoenix outright forgets who the guy is at one point, and Edgeworth once thought he was a janitor.
Edgeworth is def considered boring in universe despite to most of us, him having the most in-depth writing in the games. Which makes sense because he’s one of the few prosecutors that don’t have an over the top personality or doesn’t straight up assault the defense the attorney. I think people would’ve enjoyed his character much better if we saw more from his perspective ( which is crazy considering how often he appears in the games ) and not everyone plays his games, and I briefly remember enjoying the small snippet we got when he played defense for a bit and it turned out his thoughts are actually rather humorous.
Honestly, I’m just gonna ignore canon and accept Trucy’s alternate trial story as canon. Because it’s more interesting and kinda gives me Acro vibes (even though that trial sucked, Acro was kinda interesting at least).
Alita's Design isn't even that bland, Adrian Andrews' design is much more boring. While Adrian Andrews doesn't even have a pun, Alita's last name is just an anagram of "Alita"
Tbh I think Adrian's boring design (which it totally is I'm not even gonna argue about that) is accounted for by how complex she is of a character, the way she acts and what she's been through, I mean. Oh I just remembered literally 2 months after making this comment that her name doesn't have a pun, but it's purposefully a masculine name because that's the plot to catch de killer
;_; The Apollo Slander....I like him more than any other protagonist because of how normal he is. In AA4, he's just a guy, he doesnt survive tremendous accidents, he doesnt have a tragic backstory, he is literally as clueless as you about the trends in the world thus not knowing abt the gavinners. The future games kinda ruined him for me, turning him into this extraordinary man that lost everything and moved countries and all that. Makes him less relatable...But that's just my opinion :) Amazing video nonetheless
I don't know. I think the reason I don't like him as much as I thought I was going to is because based on his character design I assumed he was going to be this fiery justice seeking hothead semi-idiot character. But he just ended up being so normal. It's so jarring.
AJAA Apollo was a bit too much of a blank slate for me. We learned almost nothing about him aside from him being loud and not knowing who his mother is. Dual Destinies gave us some much needed Apollo backstory and personality that should have been in the previous game imo. He became my favorite of the 3 defense attorneys during DD. Spirit of Justice made everything ridiculous. I'm just gonna pretend all the Kingdom of Khura'in stuff didn't happen.
im not mad that you called edgeworth boring. thats one thing, but understandable. but how D A R E Y O U make edgey ironically cheat on phoenix, i will NOT forgive that!
After being exposed she just becomes an asshole, and being an asshole is basically her whole deal. Damn it, the doctor who strangled her was more goddamn interesting and he got barely any screen time
Not every character needs some deep backstory and character motivation. Idk why does Tumblr think those are strict requirements for a character to be good.
The fact that Jello and friends had to make up Edgeworth being a gay robot in love with both phoenix wright and a golem gumshoe just to make his games somewhat good. (They're still bad but jellopocalypse really shines) only proves the miles is boring point
Alita's not the most boring killer imo; her motive sucks but it stands to reason she had more knowledge than everyone minus the victim on the situation, and confronted him about it; even got strangled. That's a more interesting narrative throughline than "I bonked the protag on the head with a fire extinguisher so he gets amnesia and loses the case. Also I'm a con artist and the victim who found my phone is a cop, figure it out yourself". (Richard Wellington sucks. Even as a case 1 killer, that's notoriously bad, to a point where Jacques Portsman has more of a gimmick)
At first I thought I was gonna be angry because this was gonna be a hate video, but tbh it was really good and presented some good points and arguments. Most "this character is terrible" videos just mock them, so awesome job! But then you said that Edgeworth is boring, and most importantly, that Klavier is not boring, and now I'm angry again. Come on, Klavier doesn't even care about the trials unless his friend or his brother is the culprit! Apollo is not too good, but it works for the MC, and Alita is boring, but it's just a secondary villain; but Klavier should be one of the main selling points in the game and he doesn't do anything. He is not the villain, he is not the defendant, he is barely related to the main plot (besides being the brother of Kristoph, and they don't even have a sibling relationship...). I don't hate him, but imo he is the worst prosecutor (except maybe the Paynes, and even they are better if we take them as, simply, comic relief for the tutorial)
Ahem Lance Amano is clearly the most boring culprit, in fact, he's so boring he's not even in any of the main games but in the spinoff series miles edgeworth investigations, and not the second game but the very redundant and mundane first game that felt like it went on for too long near the end
SPOILERS I've played the trilogy, edgeworth investigations, and on the last episode of apollo justice, and I've realized two things: - Every dainty, innocent-looking, or vain girl turns out to be a killer or an accomplice. - Every brown guy either dies or is arrested. Edit: .... or both... in that order!
Surprisingly, I got a lot less backlash for saying Edgeworth is boring than I thought I would get. I actually got some people agreeing with me. Also to give the fandom credit, the majority of the people who disagreed with me were really nice about it.
I am getting comment like why I didn't choose Winston Payne or Nahyuta or any prosecutor like that, well I didn't think of it and I personally don't find those two prosecutors that boring. Neither are fantastic characters, but I don't find them that boring. My first choice for the "boring prosecutor" was actually Sir Zacharias Barnham. If any of you were like "who the hell is that?" my answer is "exactly!" I ended up not going with him because I wasn't confident I would find a code for him and I wanted to be bold.
There are also some people who are like "how is Edgeworth more boring than Klaiver?" Here's the thing, I don't think Klavier is boring, he's just mishandled. They could've done a lot more with him being a rockstar prosecutor and with him dealing with his brother just being sent to prison for murder. However, I still overall like Klavier.
Edgeworth on the other hand, is overused. You face him at least once in every main series game with the exception of Apollo Justice, he got two spin off games, and he even hijacked Franziska's plot because the writers wanted to write him more. He is one of the most pushed characters in the entire franchise; however, despite all this attention, he has barely left an impression on me as a character.
Seriously, I only use him in my Objection Lols when I have to for the most part. It's not out of malicious intent, but really out of apathy. Even in my fan case scripts (Link: archiveofourown.org/users/TheMellowFilmmaker/works), I included Klavier because I wanted to and I only included Edgeworth because of his importance to Franziska's story. I think I did end up doing something interesting Edgeworth in story regardless, but for the most part I don't find him very interesting. I know I'm a minority on this, but I don't care. You can't really convince me to find this guy compelling. The only defense of Edgeworth that I got that made some sense to me was that he was hot.
i just think the video is funny :p i mostly agree on Edgeworth tho but its mostly because he's in so many cases than when the prosecutor is NOT edgeworth its a breath of fresh air
@@starlite5154 right? I was so excited when I got a new Von karma and then EDGEWORTH is just like "my loves I've returned 😏" (I did that cause he gets a funny lil smirking sprite in the second game)
I also loved facing Godot, which it also gave franziska a chance to show up again, (but then Edgeworth was the defense so he kinda outshines her as "oh my God! Edgeworth is in Phoenix's roll!"
You know how I feel about your view of Edgeworth. It's kinda like today, when I could barely walk w/o complaints from my blood pressure. Anyhow............
Imayhavesaidhaonce.
Edgeworth may be less conceptionally interesting and less interesting personality-wise as Klavier, but Edgeworth is more popular since he has a great role in the plots of the trilogy. His story in the first game is really well executed and compelling, him coming back as a more wise person in JFA who actually needs to teach Phoenix something is likewise great, and playing as him in T&T is similarly great fan service.
Because of this he is one of the most important and deep characters in Ace Attorney.
Klavier should be great. Both his personality and concept are far more interesting than Edgy, but Apollo Justice is just not a very well written game. So despite how he really should have a character arc, with him being Kristoph's brother and all, he just doesn't. His relationship with the core cast members of Apollo Justice is also stagnant, so we don't see him change. (this is a problem with the whole cast of AJ:AA - all of the characters act basically identical from 5 minutes after their introduction to the end of the game. This gives Klavier no part of the plot for the audience to see into him through.
And so he becomes boring as a result.
This is also why Klavier barely returns, he wasn't used in a compelling enough way in his debut game for people to want to see him in later entries.
The primary reason for the lack disagreement was probably the lampshading along with the fact it was played for laughs
I can’t unsee that Edgeworth likes watching paint dry as a non cannon thing now.
i never wached the series, how likely is this happening?
same
Nah, he likes watching Steel Samurai and this is not my bias but Nickel Ninja is better.
@@recentmap7268 its nickel samurai
Or where you referring to the jamming ninja
"You're so boring, you weren't even included in objection Lol!"
The most devastating of insults
E M O T I O N A L. D A M A G E
I really don't think Edgeworth is a boring character. Maybe boring in-universe, but that's likely because he's a workaholic. But what makes him interesting is what he does do, not what he doesn't.
If he wants a boring prosecutor, he would have brought Winston Payne. Conpared to others, he is basic
@@coreyhorlacher3460Which ironically, Winston is also slightly interessting but for the exact opposite reason. He is all about what he doesn't do, for example rigging the trial.
Lol "Dollar Store Dahlia" is perfect
Dollar store dahlia but she doesn’t like the dollar store
@@shanellemurrey9300 haha trueee
A lot of us thought that when we saw Alita, to be fair.
Apollo's backstory doesn't even change. He just got stuff added onto it. I'll even simplify it.
Apollo's parents were traveling entertainers but his dad died so he was raised in a foreign country for his childhood until he placed into the care of the "United States". He eventually had a best friend obsessed with space.
The magician thing is more of a side note since it doesn't define his character.
AA7: Jove is revealed to be an alien from a planet of warriors who originally arrived on Earth to conquer it, but ended up falling in love and having a son.
Apollo must now use his newly discovered superpowers, inherited from his father, to protect Earth from evil.
@@SeiyaTempest He also has a funky little robot whom he combines with to bevome stronger.
@@petruciosxd1374 and a monster comes down to earth to fight him every week, and he gets a convenient power that he only ever uses like once or twice in that same day.
@@SeiyaTempest that unironically sounds kind of interesting
I love Tracy’s rewrite of Alita’s personality and story/motivation for murder. I’m going to use it
Let me know when you get it done.
@@MeeMeeCandy777 I’m actually doing it right now. The fanfics on AO3
@@Blazing_Emblem_Natsumi What is your AO3 name?
@@MeeMeeCandy777 the fanfic you’ll be looking for is three wrights and a justice.
@@MeeMeeCandy777 I saw that you left a kudos. Thanks. If you have any feedback on it I’d love to hear it (ether here in this reply section or on AO3 is fine)
edgeworth isn't boring, he's just overworked. he enjoys tokusatsu, he has a ninja phantom thief follow him around, he has at least three characters which are canonically attracted to him (granted one is like 80), but he works so much he's lost the ability to keep up with those around him.
He's also still a little afraid of damaging his image, which is why he'll never publicly admit that he likes the Steel Samurai.
I think the main reason I find Edgeworth boring is that he’s everything you’d expect the character to be. He’s got his tragic backstory, he’s super serious and broody, and whenever he does something morally questionable it turns out everything is fine and he’s practically an angel. The only thing you need to describe him is that he’s “the rival”.
He's the rival... love interest
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Edgeworth's 'edge' was also sanded off in Rise From the Ashes. In the first few games, the most interesting thing about Edgeworth is his morally grey side. He used to use fraudulent evidence to get convictions for his perfect record, he didn't care if Adrian Andrews killed himself.
But I think Capcom saw how popular his character was and decided that he should be made into a generally good guy as to not offend any of his fangirls. Like when RftA makes it clear that he wasn't a corrupt prosecutor (which basically ruins the whole point of the plot of the first game)
@@jameskowanko7574i don't see it that way considering it is actually VERY vague on whether or not edgeworth actually DID use forged evidence ever plus edgeworth may be a bit morally grey in the first game but he begins to lean more towards being a good guy with his actions by the end of turnabout samurai with helping phoenix take down dee vasquez rise from the ashes only really expands more on edgeworths character and technically he DOES use forged evidence once in the SL-9 incident but he didn't know it was forged its part of his arc in the stupidly long ass and irritatingly tedious case that edgeworth comes to terms with the facts that damon gants final words were kinda true he COULD have ended up just like damon gant himself and well probably also to edgeworth manfred von karma as well if he kept going on as he currently was then by the time farewell my turnabout comes around edgeworth has come the conclusion that fighting for the TRUTH above all else is what matters most to him now his character does kinda follow a natural progression in turnabout sisters his first reunion with phoenix he brushes off phoenix as insignificant but over the case he gets bested over and over again until by the time the end of turnabout samurai he starts changing slightly starting to show signs of his new outlook already of wanting to fight for the truth then turnabout goodbyes probably was the original turning point for edgeworth then rfta came around and decided to add more onto edgeworths character while also technically making phoenix hating edgeworth throughout most of jfa mostly come off now as if hes a damn jaded ex or some shit like that but regardless edgeworths whole arc built up him changing into acting more like a good guy now from the story i don't think it was because of fangirls or anything it was because of the story fitting well with him changing for the better
Alita:
So what got you into watching paint dry?
Edgeworth:
Its sort of a long story, but ever since that day in the courtroom elevator,
when I used to beleive I had killed my own father accidentally by throwing a gun,
I would punish myself by spending any time I wasn't working by sitting and watching Paint dry.
Sometimes I would do this overnight if there wasn't a trial the next morning, but I think that was moreso to stay the nightmares.
...
Nowadays, i suppose ive gotten used to it. It's comfortable, in a sort of cruel way...
It always left me time to think about life, my work, and the people I affect every day.
I suppose that's why I like listening to BPR.
Sure, sometimes I hear about something new, but I can always ignore it and think.
...
Alita:
Quit trying to guilt trip me.
You didn't actually have to kill someone like I did.
Edgeworth:
This relationship can't work, I HATE criminals.
Also Edgeworth when he's with Kay: I thinl I'll let her join me in my investigation
@@lenarratorsocietyofsuperio2731 Yep having a thief with you! “Definitely “ safe.
Apollo getting even more backstory than he already does is a serious threat. Somebody has to stop him!
I like Edgeworth because of the commentary on mental health, but you know, fair shake, I can see why you might think he's too uptight to be interesting. I think he falls more into the comically serious as a trope because funny stuff is always happening to him and his non-reaction makes it funnier, but that kind of humor is a case by case thing.
Admittedly I don't know that I think Klavier has much going on besides being friendly and nice and maybe a bit of a playboy, he's like if the evil family member/mentor only messed with him on occasion so he didn't become mean and felt free to choose a different job and life path from what he was told he was supposed to do. So I might actually switch how I'd rate the prosecutors from how you do it.
Thank you for being civil. Edgeworth is technically better written than Klavier. Klavier would probably be considered cooler in universe mostly due to Edgeworth's stoicism. Like he probably would enjoy watching paint dry. I'm personally not a fan of the character, but I probably wouldn't mind him so much if he wasn't a screen time glutton that was benefitting from favoritism on the part of the developers. Though that's a story for another video.
@@TheMellowFilmmaker I think it might be even worse than watching paint dry tbh, I think Edgeworth's only interests outside tea, cars, and Steel Samurai are probably whatever helps him with his cases or investigations. There's a scene in the movie credits where he demonstrates that he learned to play guitar *just* to make a point in a trial to fight Phoenix about. Like the dude really needs to get some permanent hobbies.
@@rebellemuria chess, he likes chess.
@@zegmakker5869 True, but does he know how to play? In investigations it seems like he just throws the pieces at his opponents and hopes for the best.
@@rebellemuria in his defense, he calls it 'logic chess' so I doubt it'd play by the same rules. He probably knows how to play regular chess but that's just my guess. He does know of things like castling at least, dunno ab the more advanced 'en passant' rule
The "Wai Bother" part got me! lmao!
I forgive the Edgeworth slander only because the "Hmmm. It turns out I'm bisexual." bit made me laugh very hard. And yes, even as a fan of Edgey, he is a boring af person.
As a fellow bisexual, I stan bisexual prosecutors. But Klavier is the hot one.
He's a boring person but he's *miles* (get it) better character than Klavier.
@@kolbayada4938 Klavier is just wasted potential. SO much wasted potential.
The chunk about Alita is pretty good and ya I agree with everything said the more I think abt it and then edgeworth came up and it kinda lost me lmao
The fact that barely any of the comments are about Alita Tiala is extemely fitting.
I kinda hate when Alita is compared to the freaking Dahlia. Like, COME ON! Dahlia was set to be "the big bad" from the beginning of the third game. She was in three out of five cases, plus had a background one! She is demon in the flesh!
And Alita? Get serious, guys! She's one-time villain in one, mostly filler case. Give her some slack!!! I would even argue that she's actually refreshingly grounded villain. She has a set-in-reality motive, she's put up a decent fight for a case 2 villain, there was a few good twists in her(like the irony of her taking us as a defence attorney or that she was also attacked), there was at least some sympathetic parts to her, but she was extremely realistic anyway. Plus, i personally find her design kinda pretty. Yea, she isn't that flashy, but... Let's be honest. When was the last time our killer had actually realistic motives, more or less calm design and wasn't a total psyco or a joke caracter? You would be surprised, BUT THE LAST TIME WE HAD A VILLAIN LIKE THAT WAS NOT EVEN IN T&T, BUT IN *JFA*! You can argue which character exactly fits the bill, but you can't deny that.
Because T&T just mostly forgot about what a "realistic villain" even is! Dahlia is, ofc, out of the question. Luke Atmey was a whack. And Furio was an extremely comedic villain. Even Kristoph had a veil of misteriousness around him. Alita was the first grounded and set in reality villain *in quite a while*. But after the whole third game, which was outstanding despite its "unseriousness", people were just a bit spoiled with flashy, in all aspects, villains.
Be honest with yourself, people. You just bashing her after she failed your expectations to be "as unique as T&T characters, or at least to live up to Dahlia's legacy of «inocent outside, mean inside» shtick to a T". And after that you were disappointed. Because of your own and VERY hight expectations. Which WOULD be ruined sooner or later anyway! Because it's impossible to always go bigger and louder than before. One day, you would have to turn it down a notch. It's just so happens that it happened with Alita, of all people.
Let us not ridicule her as someone she had the potential to be, but appreciate her as someone she already is. And who is she? She's a young woman that desired some thrills in her life and a fat wallet filled with money(as .any people would like). Who was intelligent enough to manipulate not only her "husband", but his parents as well. Who can be imagined as a real person in our world unlike T&T cast of villains. And finally, who's perfectly played her past as a bit of the game's overall theme of "betrayal".
Let us just enjoy the game as is.
#Respect_Alita
Ah yes, Phoenix Wright needs to a be a serious and grounded game where we cross examine parrots.
still boring
I respect the essay on why she's a good character, however, I don't think anyone in the ace attorney fandom cares about a reasonable/grounded/realistic villain, because an unrealistic villain is entertaining. You brought up good points, but the large basis of your argument is kinda flawed imo, I think if people cared about realistic villains, they wouldn't be in the AA fandom to begin with. Although I do agree that a realistic villain is somewhat refreshing
Pass
Alita is one of the most realistic villain
Objection! The one interesting thing about Edgeworth is his despising of murderers due to the death of his father. He’d never be attracted to one, or at least attracted enough to ignore a 10+ year age gap with someone who is younger than his sister and his assistant that he gets in the Investigations games. Let him look over the court record one more time and go “Oh my, literally the only thing interesting about you is that you are just barely old enough to not count as a bratty teenager. Never mind.”
But yeah, everything else is spot-on, or at least I’ll give it a pass because it’s funny, and this is hilarious.
Honestly Edgeworth is one of my favorite characters and yet I 100% understand why you don't like him
Love Edgeworth but can't disagree he is over-hyped.
Just because you didn’t find it entertaining when he found himself pathologically incapable of backing down from a staring contest with his reflection doesn’t mean you need to climb a hill with a bayonet.
Can you do a "When the killer is someone you actually like" Because that happens to me almost all the time!
*cough cough* like acro, he was the only character in that case I liked
I honestly wanted to like Daryan, but as soon as I saw him I was like "He's the villain, isn't he?"
The tragic clown
Woof You already mentioned him, but Luke Atmey is amazing.
Not just in Ace Attorney either. Aside from like, twice in the first game, once in the second game, and then once in the third game, I ended up either loving every killer in the Danganronpa series, or at least loving their murder plan.
Even as a person who loves alita tiala with all my heart, i have to agree :c
h o w .
@@wahtishappening790 the only good thing i think she has is how she looks, so i don't know how someone could literally love her
The breakdown was kinda fun, but otherwise yeah.
I think the most disappointing is geiru.Just why
2:32 LMAO WHY DID I LAUGH SO MUCH TO THIS
Edgeworth doing a long eye-to-eye and then going "I have just discovered that I'm bi and am dropping all charges" had me cracking up enough that I instantly fully forgive you calling him the most overrated character. XD
...That said, if you still do wanna die on that hill, I'm sure someone else in this comment section's gonna need to hire Phoenix Wright to defend them by the end of the day, lol.
This is just bullying 😭 but also true
I’m going to start calling her Dollar Store Dahlia now
Waiting for more backstory on Apollo
Yeah, more like the 56th backstory
Apollo's grandfather could be a clairvoyant, and his grandmother a space alien with hair antennae, and it wouldn't make Apollo more interesting. He could've been born inside a volcano and have a talent for stunt biking, and maybe Klavier would give a small nod to him.
I can agree with the Apollo thing lol, my order of defense attorneys goes: Athena, Phoenix, Apollo. The reason being is I love Athena's story and personality, same with Phoenix but he's just being overwritten at this point, and Apollo just has like nine different backstories, Capcom just didn't give him a set backstory or something.
Now I would take Apollo over Athena any day. I basically had to force myself to get through DD and I'm kind of feeling the same with SoJ. It might just be that Shu Takumi wasn't the one who directed those ones and so it has a different feel to it, but like it just has a different vibe and I can't really get into those like I can the trilogy and AJAA. I sped through AJAA in like a weekend and I'm kind of sad that I did that as he isn't really relevant in DD and I'm still on the first trial for SoJ but I know you play as him and his back story comes into play a lot in that game.
I haven’t finished spirits of justice so no spoilers but Dual destinies is honestly way too overhated. I think Athena’s character/backstory is actually interesting whereas there’s not much to say about Phoenix and Apollo’s. But in the last SoJ case (the one I’m on) they’re starting to explore his backstory a bit more so I’m excited to see what they do with it
Honestly apollo is pretty relevant in dual destinies or Spirits of Justice. You get more cases with him than Athena and an equal amount of cases with Phoenix
But yeah I miss the trilogy and AJ vibes A LOT. But I love the new games too. I adore all three of our defence attorneys equally and it’s so fun to watch Athena and Apollo’s dynamic together
I was just thinking about it and Apollo gets quite a bit of backstory from Apollo justice to Dual Destinies to spirits of justice. Idk but he’s definitely NOT irrelevant 😭 Plus you get a lot of cases with him
Nah Apollo justice is the worst phoenix wright game hands down
Dual Destinies is the worst game without question. Athena’s backstory is literally just Edgeworth and Ema Skye’s backstories mashed together.
Don’t even get me started on the abomination that was Turnabout Academy.
@@mrfoxly6833 big top wants to throw hands rn
Edgeworth, in universe, donates to BPR yearly and is single-handedly funding them.
Boring prosecuter: edgeworth
I'm dying 😭😭 how can you think edgeworth is more boring then winston and klavier
I thought it was gonna be Payne lol
Who is Payne? Does someone like that exist? Nah, y'all lying, there isn't a character like that, totally.
@@Calisto_Yew there’s four (him, his brother, his ancestor and his weird British counterpart)
@@padriazozzriaorizifian8672 I know, I was joking
What about Nahyuta Sahdmahdi? He effectively said and did the exact same thing three cases in a row and didn't deviate from his little list of quotes until you're near the end of the last case. I feel like Nahyuta is definitely in the running for most boring.
What do you like to do for fun?
Absolutely nothing
Take me!
"We need a more boring prosecutor"
How about Winston Payne? He's really boring.
>Edgeworth
...Huh?
Winston Payne is not boring. He’s hilarious
@@joshuawillis602 I thought the whole point of Winston Payne was to be the most boring, unmemorable person in the game.
Phoenix outright forgets who the guy is at one point, and Edgeworth once thought he was a janitor.
@@TheAuNinja2 in game he may be forgettable but the fan base knows him well for his hilarious reactions and nervous outbursts
When you said boring prosecutor I was expecting Winston Payne
Same
I was expecting Nayuhta Sadmadhi
@@bandicootsmwcentral2950 I haven’t played anything past the investigations games so I have no idea who that is lol
Its the main prosecutor in Spirit of Justice
@@bandicootsmwcentral2950 Cool. Thanks
ok wai bother is actually a funny name for a bland killer in the ace attorney franchise if they ever make a bland killer
Sir this is a Wendy’s.
even though I don't find Edgeworth boring... this was funny still
Edgeworth is def considered boring in universe despite to most of us, him having the most in-depth writing in the games. Which makes sense because he’s one of the few prosecutors that don’t have an over the top personality or doesn’t straight up assault the defense the attorney.
I think people would’ve enjoyed his character much better if we saw more from his perspective ( which is crazy considering how often he appears in the games ) and not everyone plays his games, and I briefly remember enjoying the small snippet we got when he played defense for a bit and it turned out his thoughts are actually rather humorous.
“Edgeworth is boring”
No, he’s hot.
Gosh, we could've almost had like a Peko Pekoyama trial if she actually loved Wocky.
Apollo may or may not be the least interesting lawyer but imo he has the best Objection! BGM 🤓
Calling Edgeworth boring while payne exists is just insulting.
Actually Payne is not boring. He’s hilarious with his expressions
For a person who is actually really boring af, this hurts me in a very personal way 😔
At least the video shows you that there are other boring people out there for you.
@@TheMellowFilmmaker Damn, didn't expect this coming. 💔
As a boring person, I found this hilarious xD
But she’s one of my favorite characters 🙃
Alita honestly felt like a watered down Dahlia
This whole video was made to diss Edgeworth, and I respect you for it
i've never played an ace attorney game and have a very vague idea of it but this did make me laugh a lot
Second cases are usually boring.
This is some great writing right here
The dollar store dahlia is so true 😂
Honestly, I’m just gonna ignore canon and accept Trucy’s alternate trial story as canon. Because it’s more interesting and kinda gives me Acro vibes (even though that trial sucked, Acro was kinda interesting at least).
Alita's Design isn't even that bland, Adrian Andrews' design is much more boring.
While Adrian Andrews doesn't even have a pun, Alita's last name is just an anagram of "Alita"
Samus Aran with glasses and a smaller frame doesn't jive with the average AA fan as much as unexpressive slightly floral, always a bother, Alita... :(
Tbh I think Adrian's boring design (which it totally is I'm not even gonna argue about that) is accounted for by how complex she is of a character, the way she acts and what she's been through, I mean.
Oh I just remembered literally 2 months after making this comment that her name doesn't have a pun, but it's purposefully a masculine name because that's the plot to catch de killer
Dollar-Store Dahlia
Mfw Alita is more sympathetic in an objection.lol video bashing her boringness the in game.
dollar store dahlia ooo damn 💀
Alita stuck to my mind mainly because how she was drawn looks really creepy to me.
Pls the comments are making me rethink my taste in characters, as Apollo and klavier are the ones who brought me into the fandom 💀💀💀
3:54 I love this part, and the Alita/Edgeworth date
I love the idea that everyone except Phoenix thinks Edgeworth is boring
Bro just straight up write fanfiction to fix this case lol
;_; The Apollo Slander....I like him more than any other protagonist because of how normal he is. In AA4, he's just a guy, he doesnt survive tremendous accidents, he doesnt have a tragic backstory, he is literally as clueless as you about the trends in the world thus not knowing abt the gavinners. The future games kinda ruined him for me, turning him into this extraordinary man that lost everything and moved countries and all that. Makes him less relatable...But that's just my opinion :)
Amazing video nonetheless
I don't know. I think the reason I don't like him as much as I thought I was going to is because based on his character design I assumed he was going to be this fiery justice seeking hothead semi-idiot character. But he just ended up being so normal. It's so jarring.
@@brushido4641 yeah i can understand that.
AJAA Apollo was a bit too much of a blank slate for me. We learned almost nothing about him aside from him being loud and not knowing who his mother is. Dual Destinies gave us some much needed Apollo backstory and personality that should have been in the previous game imo. He became my favorite of the 3 defense attorneys during DD. Spirit of Justice made everything ridiculous. I'm just gonna pretend all the Kingdom of Khura'in stuff didn't happen.
im not mad that you called edgeworth boring. thats one thing, but understandable. but how D A R E Y O U make edgey ironically cheat on phoenix, i will NOT forgive that!
After being exposed she just becomes an asshole, and being an asshole is basically her whole deal.
Damn it, the doctor who strangled her was more goddamn interesting and he got barely any screen time
"You're so boring youre not even in objection.lol!"
Considering sahwit is there, that's very insulting.
Not every character needs some deep backstory and character motivation. Idk why does Tumblr think those are strict requirements for a character to be good.
Every case 1 killer be like
aw cmon edgeworth isnt that boring. his character is so fleshed out and his story UGFHHGhh
all of this is canon
"Turns out I am bisexual"
Despite all the things I don't personally agree with, I love the implications. It was kind of funny.
I forgive the Edgeworth slander because of how amazing this video is
The fact that Jello and friends had to make up Edgeworth being a gay robot in love with both phoenix wright and a golem gumshoe just to make his games somewhat good. (They're still bad but jellopocalypse really shines) only proves the miles is boring point
NO WAY YOU THINK EDGY BOY IS NOT COOL
This is a masterpiece
I'd have liked it if the boring prosecutor was Winston Payne
LEGGO!
I don't know completely what this is but like funny.
Heh… when you get more backstory… yeah I’m sure you will champ.
Fourth wall breaking detected 🚧🛑🛑
this one is so so good lol
this is the aftermath of the c girl craze...
I feel like edgeworth isn't that boring if written right
also wouldn't Payne be even more boring? he's like the default prosecutor
For real; I legit forgot who Alita was. XD
Edgeworth's favorite movie would obviously be the Steel Samurai.
If you think Edgeworth is boring you should have made it Edgeworth vs Edgeworth since he covers for the end of Trials and Tribulations
Alita's not the most boring killer imo; her motive sucks but it stands to reason she had more knowledge than everyone minus the victim on the situation, and confronted him about it; even got strangled.
That's a more interesting narrative throughline than "I bonked the protag on the head with a fire extinguisher so he gets amnesia and loses the case. Also I'm a con artist and the victim who found my phone is a cop, figure it out yourself". (Richard Wellington sucks. Even as a case 1 killer, that's notoriously bad, to a point where Jacques Portsman has more of a gimmick)
You are based af it must be said 🌸
This is just evil Mizusaki Tsubame lmaoo
At first I thought I was gonna be angry because this was gonna be a hate video, but tbh it was really good and presented some good points and arguments. Most "this character is terrible" videos just mock them, so awesome job!
But then you said that Edgeworth is boring, and most importantly, that Klavier is not boring, and now I'm angry again. Come on, Klavier doesn't even care about the trials unless his friend or his brother is the culprit! Apollo is not too good, but it works for the MC, and Alita is boring, but it's just a secondary villain; but Klavier should be one of the main selling points in the game and he doesn't do anything. He is not the villain, he is not the defendant, he is barely related to the main plot (besides being the brother of Kristoph, and they don't even have a sibling relationship...). I don't hate him, but imo he is the worst prosecutor (except maybe the Paynes, and even they are better if we take them as, simply, comic relief for the tutorial)
You know what? I ship it, good job
That really is a better plot
Apollo phoenix athena in order of best to worst. No hate towards athena fantastic character, but you can't have a best without a worst
alita is one my favorite killers 😭
Ahem
Lance Amano is clearly the most boring culprit, in fact, he's so boring he's not even in any of the main games but in the spinoff series miles edgeworth investigations, and not the second game but the very redundant and mundane first game that felt like it went on for too long near the end
Uhhhh. Alita is half the age younger than Edgeworth...
Lmfao- 💀🤌🏼
SPOILERS
I've played the trilogy, edgeworth investigations, and on the last episode of apollo justice, and I've realized two things:
- Every dainty, innocent-looking, or vain girl turns out to be a killer or an accomplice.
- Every brown guy either dies or is arrested.
Edit: .... or both... in that order!
Nooo wrightworth got ruined
Oh my god XD
Objection! LOL!😂