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20:24 I think that’s really interesting I think people see doping as cheating while others see it as part of the sport. Clarence says he wanted to hit huge numbers and it was a tool to do so. I’m glad senpai still respects Clarence
@@patootie3529 its cheating because the rules prohibit it... You dont need to argue if something is cheating when there are clear cut rules about it :/
@@SteviieRayzZ Everybody doesn't give a f#ck about rules. If everyone, I mean everyone on the platform is on gear, it ain't cheating. At all. Now go riding a pink rainbow unicorn.
This interview was fantastic. Really appreciate getting to learn more about Toshiki as an English speaker. Thanks Clarence, WeLiftWeights, and Senpai for this great content!
Brilliant interview! It's a shame these videos don't get more views considering how much goes into them. Travel, editing, translations, planning ect. This deserves ten times the views but I understand it's a very niche topic. Plus it tests our tiny brains by being 22 minutes, not 22 seconds like everything is these days.
There is a limit cap at every body weight what you can *almost* lift. And if a person is lifting weights that no normal human should be able to at a particular body weight ( say someone squatting 300+ kg ATG at 90 kg body weight) he most certainly is not. And as the normal saying going... if the person is not looking natural...he/she is most likely is not.
@@Demiamant "genetic freaks" is a catagory in humanity, and top athletes are top athletes for a reason. Freak genetics+hard work=top athlete. Not everyone that does grazy weight is on steroids. Say a powerlifter whos on gear has a max 1k lb backsquat. as a natty, hed still be able to get over an 800 backsquat at his peak, maybe even a lil more. Steroids arent a miracle drug that take a string bean dude 150lbs wet and make him into a 280lb lean monster who can all the sudden tripple his bodyweight in a squat. Youre generalizing humans to a very average catagory as if anyone whos 230lbs or above is automatically on roids, and as if there is no possible way that people are born gifted and every human fits within an exact perameter of what you think people "should be able" to lift. Thats not how things work.
Good interview. Funny to see that very Asian "Must avoid eye-contact at all times!" demeanor, contrasted with Clarence's posture and attempts at eye-contact.
His squat is close to the best powerlifters of his bodyweight, it's very hard to believe that he's never taken steroids. If he's truly naty, then he has one of the greatest strength genetics ever. Normally, I wouldn't think that his numbers are even possible at his bodyweight, without peds.
Really nice questions asked and I like those follow up questions to go to the bottom of situations. Very interesting. And I'm not even interested in weight lifting lol
today we see many doping teenagers, competing in non tested powerlifting meet, breaking records by records and while claiming they're natty. The world of competing sports is just ruin for met by that time.
5:43 I also experienced this when I was practising karate at different dojos (two different styles) at the certain country. Senseis were not happy with me when I was trying to improve my skills. It seems that Japanese mindset values loyalty highly.
The desire to restrict someone to their culture instead of exploring every possible option to become better... It's very common in asian countries unfortunately due to the intense patriotic pride. It's also why people always keep their training and techniques secret instead of everyone helping each other.
@@BuffPomsky Yeah, i had experienced the patriotic pride strongly back then in 90'. People refused to share with me when I asked for advice in bodybuilding and general fitness etc. Even paid training sessions. Fortunately, I had opportunity to study oversea and join Crossfit. When I returned home, I switched to Oly lifts and trained on my own. Now it's somehow better as people share their techniques openly.
I think in this case it had to do with protecting the image of the national team. They were thinking "what reason would a national team weightlifter have to do most of their training at commercial gyms?"
I am really surprised and shocked that many people thinks Toshiki is fake natural😂 I’m 100% sure that he’s natty. I’ve seen his training and taken his classes. As one of his students. I gotta prove that he is a true athlete.
120 mg of ibuprofen for that kind of an injury!? No wonder he was in pain. I would've expected like 800 mg to 1200 mg tablets, here even the common over the counter is 400 mg. Maybe he meant to say 200 instead of 20.
@@saddemgargouri and there probably would have been monster squatters back then if someone had invented the squat rack earlier. But alas, before it was made, one could only back squat the weight they could first clean from the ground.
If he were to do that, he would not only lose the career he has earned, but also lose the trust of the coaches and teammates involved. There is no career path for a doping athlete to sustain in Japan.
By Clarence's own fake natty standards (adding 10-15% weight the supposed "natty"'s totals, and checking if they are plausible), Toshiki's case is kinda plausible and kinda sus at the same time. Imagine someone who did 230 clean from blocks @ 89 kg bodyweight natty and then started using gear. He would manage to do 250-260 kg? That sounds kind of outlandish. At the same time, his snatch would go up to 175-187 and his C&J to 228-240.... which is arguably plausible, as that is the range of current world records for the 89 and 96 kg classes. He earns the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
Gonna bring all the DYELs in for this one. Edit: Jawon Garrison, a powerlifter in the 181lb class, JUST set a world record squat of 777lbs a few days ago at the American Pro 2. Jawon is a lifetime natty, and he actually plans to go to the untested side and hop on to turn himself into a real monster the way John Haack did. Toshiki can 100% achieve the feats he has naturally. Genetic freaks are real whether people want to except it or not. But trying to convince DYELs of this is like talking to a brick wall.
Testing is so incredibly easy to get around in the IPF/other tested feds. Give them a date window, blast outside of that window, make sure your system is flushed a week or so beforehand either side. It's literally just an intelligent test. The fact that 'tested' lifters are equalling or BESTING untested records - guys who have carte blanche to take EVERYTHING - should tell you all you need to know. The majority of the top 10 in any given weight category/class (outside of the LW women's or supers perhaps) will be juicing on the sly. I don't disagree with your point however that there ARE insanely gifted naturals out there.
@sylsch2701 incorrect, there are literally not enough resources for that to happen, and it essentially locks athlete down into one place forever. There are one or two periods, fed dependent, where they have to state their whereabouts. Failure to appear within this periods is considered a fail. As I said, it's an intelligence test. Nobody over an 80IQ is fucking that up.
@@christopherroberts2500 Nobody is f*cking it up until the entire Russian state sponsored doping scandal broke. You'd figure the scientists running that would have IQs over 80, right? But anti-doping scientists are also genius-level smart. You can't just clear out all exogenous hormones out of your body to take a PED test and not have your biomarkers be completely and obviously out of whack. It doesn't take a galaxy-brain IQ to see a 200 lb stud with 99th percentile genetic superiority, see his free testosterone levels are about equal to a 90 year old FEMALE, and know that there might be something up lmao.
While I won't claim to believe he's natty, I've also suspended disbelief in Toshiki's lack of natty-ness. My only personal take on support for him being natty is how many injuries and surgeries he's had. If we believe Clarence was natty when he said he was, he got to 150/190ish (I think) without gear, but messing up his knees and being constantly pretty badly injured and awful feeling. Going with this, too, Toshiki had almost a decade more of competitive WL experience than Clarence, giving him a lot more time to get more gains. It seems like Toshiki he had worse injuries than even Clarence did, and kept pushing through in very extreme ways (see other WLW's interviews) so to me it's conceivably possible he got to where he did natty, but paid a bigger price. Whereas if he wasn't natty, you'd figure he'd have been able to get by with less injuries by taking HGH or similar, or even non-banned drugs like calcitonin or Actovegin.
@@ahmarcamacho8404 In endurance sports mostly. Alberto Salazar in USA was famous for doing it with his athletes. Figured it would help Toshiki as it's meant for bone healing. Not on the banned list, either. For what it's worth, too, Toshiki could have legally used TB500 until I think 2021 or 2022, and BPC-157 until this year. Copper peptide still isn't on the banned list, either. The fact that he (seemingly) just kept on running super injured without using these things to me makes me think, well, maybe he is/was natty?
He seems like such an honest guy though. He doesn't seem like the type to actively lie about it. However a 230 block clean under 90kg is crazy, and if he is not on drugs, what could he block clean if he took drugs. 250???? Is that even humanly possible?
I think the stakes for a Japanese person are much higher than for - let's say - the liver king, though. The absolute fundamental importance of keeping "face"/kao to any Japanese person, especially public person cannot be grasped easily by a Westerner. Toshiki could not live the life he wants to live admitting he uses or has used PEDs since Japanese culture is extremely concerned with honesty, integrity and keeping all that aligned with "face"/kao. So if you think Toshiki uses PEDs, I think you should cut him some slack.
I think it just makes average people feel better about being average to scream steroids, because then you can tell yourself "If I started using roids, I could be like that too". Truth is, genetics are a b*tch, and you could take all the PEDs in the world to still wind up smaller and weaker than the genetic elite are without any drugs. The truth hurts, and I understand not wanting to accept that reality.
they are people that did 300 + deadlift in the early 20 century without steroids , i imagine a tall big guy doing a lot of squats can do that but your average shredded gym bro ? no way .
@@danielfarrell3534 no bro. Tall guys can put on more muscle and thus be stronger, even though they will be proportionally weaker than smaller people. There is a reason why the strongest weightlifters are not short (I.E. Lasha who is like 198 cm)
@muellernikolai8630 nope. Its basic leverage. In any case Lasha is a freak of nature but also he's huge, not just tall. Wider thighs = less maximal ROM which means more efficient lift. Its basic biomechanics.
@@danielfarrell3534 @muellernikolai8630 the ''squat is harder for taller bros '' people misinterpret this statement , if A lifter and B lifter has the same muscle mass and A is shorter , A will likely to be able to lift more weights .
I actually believe he could be natural, especially looking at his body composition which isn't outrageous like most bodybuilders that openly use PED's. Of course his strength is way more "suspicious", but there is still a significant gap between him and the lifters from countries like China, who definitely do use something.
Its so sad and also funny that many guys here believes Toshiki is fake natty. He has passed strict drug tests countless times while he was competing and the bodybuilding federation he is in also impose athletes drug inspection announced and unannounced. They should look at the size of top natural japanese bodybuilders. They are absolutely massive and Toshiki is also one of those outliers to have that size and strength.
He is absolutely natty and he is still not even so big in Japanese natural bodybuilding competitions. I know you guys would not get it because you have never tried to reach our body’s limit without drags such as steroids but that is fact.
Definitely not natty, but it is looked on very differently in East Asia, so there is no way he will ever admit it. Heck, it wasn’t even until relatively recently that we started talking about it openly in the west.
what is most interesting is how difficult it is for viewers to imagine that this is possible without some magical pharmaceutical enhancement. It's as if by eliminating any possibility we are freed from our own internal sense of pre-determined hopelessness...it is much easier to be cynical, contrarian and crush any possibility in the other than it is to admit our own human limitations.
i beleieve he is natural because his body building physique isnt insane. he looks very good but he doesnt have the size that bodybuilders on peds would have. I believe his natty status.
There's a legendary Japanese bodybuilder named Koji Godo. He got fundus hemorrhage on his left eye due to his intense training, and his doctor told him that he had to inject some steroids in him, but he refused it because he was so dead-set on being a natural bodybuilder. As a result, his left eye went blind. The other day, he got 12th place at the biggest nationwide natural bodybuilding contest in Japan at the age of 62. Toshiki wasn't even qualified to be there. This proves that his body is achievable while being natural. Well, I guess it doesn't prove it since it's still possible that Koji is a fake natty. But he went so far as to sacrifice one of his precious eyes because of his unnecessary pride and stubbornness. He must be natural and has a better body than Toshiki's.
mfs see a gifted athlete with elite genetics who has trained hard and dedicated 15+ years of their life to the gym achieve an impressive physique and numbers and say: steroids, it's clearly steroids, humans shouldn't bench more than 2 plates
Uhh no, but it takes BOTH elite genetics + gear to reach a certain level. You could never ever hope to reach said level if you blasted gear your whole life. That's what people are saying.
@@bilbonob548 do you have some sort of evidence or concrete proof to back it up that toshiki's physique is unattainable for an elite natural or are you just repeating what you've read on youtube comments?
I have a friend who gets crazy big and strong when he trains regularly. Everyone in a gym think he takes steroids but I know for shure he doesn't. He never trains for long because he gets very muscle bound and he hates stretching.
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my favorite part is when he said "that's the end of the interview" to signal that the interview had ended.
Japan-trip without Jangho would have been a trainwreck! You are the man Jangho!
20:24 I think that’s really interesting
I think people see doping as cheating while others see it as part of the sport. Clarence says he wanted to hit huge numbers and it was a tool to do so. I’m glad senpai still respects Clarence
its cheating. And just because supposedly "everybody is doing it" its still cheating.
@@RobertRedway you made no argument. why's it cheating if you use it to _level_ the playing field?
@@patootie3529 its cheating because the rules prohibit it... You dont need to argue if something is cheating when there are clear cut rules about it :/
@@SteviieRayzZ Everybody doesn't give a f#ck about rules. If everyone, I mean everyone on the platform is on gear, it ain't cheating. At all.
Now go riding a pink rainbow unicorn.
What a great and wholesome interview! We Lift Weights is the MVP of Clarence's journey to Japan. Thanks to him so much was achieved
Another great video on: Clarence, Steroids, Doping, Vegan, Toshiki and squats. Its a proven winning format.
This interview was fantastic. Really appreciate getting to learn more about Toshiki as an English speaker. Thanks Clarence, WeLiftWeights, and Senpai for this great content!
Great interview and thanks for Jangho for translating!
Brilliant interview! It's a shame these videos don't get more views considering how much goes into them. Travel, editing, translations, planning ect. This deserves ten times the views but I understand it's a very niche topic. Plus it tests our tiny brains by being 22 minutes, not 22 seconds like everything is these days.
Lost NNN... thanks a lot clarence
Lmao I was looking at their legs all the time
8:37 CHICKEN RICE AND BROCCOLI - IT JUST WORKS, GUYS!
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"So, yeah. That's the end of the interview"
Great interview Clarence. And great job Jangho for translating!
ステロイドが当たり前のお国柄の人達は、自分よりデカいか強い人はステロイドユーザーじゃないと気が済まないんだろうな
コメント見てて思った
There is a limit cap at every body weight what you can *almost* lift. And if a person is lifting weights that no normal human should be able to at a particular body weight ( say someone squatting 300+ kg ATG at 90 kg body weight) he most certainly is not. And as the normal saying going... if the person is not looking natural...he/she is most likely is not.
そういう人たちはたちはあんまり自分から調べようとせずに見た目と重量で決めつけるからなぁ。盲信しろと言うのではなく、世界でも有数のアスリートである山本さんに失礼やわ。
@@Demiamant "genetic freaks" is a catagory in humanity, and top athletes are top athletes for a reason. Freak genetics+hard work=top athlete. Not everyone that does grazy weight is on steroids. Say a powerlifter whos on gear has a max 1k lb backsquat. as a natty, hed still be able to get over an 800 backsquat at his peak, maybe even a lil more. Steroids arent a miracle drug that take a string bean dude 150lbs wet and make him into a 280lb lean monster who can all the sudden tripple his bodyweight in a squat. Youre generalizing humans to a very average catagory as if anyone whos 230lbs or above is automatically on roids, and as if there is no possible way that people are born gifted and every human fits within an exact perameter of what you think people "should be able" to lift. Thats not how things work.
i believe he is natural because mike o hearn and simeon panda are also natural and very big and strong so its possible in some people
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Very interesting to listen to. Thank you Clarence and the team for making this interview.
Good interview. Funny to see that very Asian "Must avoid eye-contact at all times!" demeanor, contrasted with Clarence's posture and attempts at eye-contact.
We still want to see a squat battle of toshiki vs clarence. waiting for the early recovery of the toshiki injury
ドーピング当たり前の連中からしたらそりゃ信じられないよな。改めて日本の環境はとても貴重で価値あるものなんだと思った。
日本人はズルが嫌いだからドーピングしないのは当たり前だよね。日本のアスリートは強い
Shout out to jangho. What a great guy 😊
Thank Kurarensu sensei for interviewing Toshiki!
Thank you for making this video and sharing it with us🙏
22:08 clarence accidentally have the most japanese answer possible lol.
Enjoyed the interview a good listen
His squat is close to the best powerlifters of his bodyweight, it's very hard to believe that he's never taken steroids. If he's truly naty, then he has one of the greatest strength genetics ever. Normally, I wouldn't think that his numbers are even possible at his bodyweight, without peds.
his bench press is not high though
@@neohubrisyeah because he's a weightlifter and never really trained , underdeveloped chest too and elbow problem.
He said he got up to 105kg to hit those numbers. Check out Ashton rouska who is squatting 800+
日本のアスリートはドーピングしないよ。日本人はズルや嘘が大嫌い
The armstrong argument "I've been tested heaps so obviously I'm natural"
日本人がスポーツであまり活躍できないのは外国人はドーピングしたことがあるからなのか？と思うくらい海外ではドーピングが蔓延してるんだなとコメントを見て思った。
No natural athelete has shoulders like that. Juicy like tropicana
Great interview, thanks a lot!
16:10
Senpai has unbelievable genetics
Even Clarence appreciates he s at kaiju levels
Great interview really enjoyed this 👌🏻
SHEESH BACK AT IT WITH ANOTHER JAPAN VIDEO
痩せてめちゃくちゃかっこよくなっている
Dangit, I had just bought this underwear😫
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Bro is honest af🤣🤣 says Cut Cut Cut instantly
Really nice questions asked and I like those follow up questions to go to the bottom of situations. Very interesting. And I'm not even interested in weight lifting lol
Really cool dude! :)
today we see many doping teenagers, competing in non tested powerlifting meet, breaking records by records and while claiming they're natty. The world of competing sports is just ruin for met by that time.
Toshiki nombrando made in abyss WoW un hombre de cultura 🤓 🔥😂
mike o hearn is also natty
first of all hes not natural
second brilliant interview
5:43 I also experienced this when I was practising karate at different dojos (two different styles) at the certain country. Senseis were not happy with me when I was trying to improve my skills. It seems that Japanese mindset values loyalty highly.
The desire to restrict someone to their culture instead of exploring every possible option to become better... It's very common in asian countries unfortunately due to the intense patriotic pride. It's also why people always keep their training and techniques secret instead of everyone helping each other.
@@BuffPomsky Yeah, i had experienced the patriotic pride strongly back then in 90'. People refused to share with me when I asked for advice in bodybuilding and general fitness etc. Even paid training sessions. Fortunately, I had opportunity to study oversea and join Crossfit. When I returned home, I switched to Oly lifts and trained on my own. Now it's somehow better as people share their techniques openly.
I think in this case it had to do with protecting the image of the national team. They were thinking "what reason would a national team weightlifter have to do most of their training at commercial gyms?"
bro's got huge hands
watched the whole thing great video
It's a 23 min video that was released 5 min ago and your comment is 5 min old. The math ain't mathing bro
Right
@@Dementia.PugilisticaAfter some days nobody will be able to confirm it though. I confirm that he posted a minute after the vid got out too.
@suntzu7727 detective work + corroborating testimony. Good work lieutenant
Toshiki natty?
Damn, he must be getting his chicken, rice and broccoli straight from the Fukushima powerplant site
Smells like cap that hes natty
hello clarence
First video where Clarence is open that he uses gear.
not at all
I am really surprised and shocked that many people thinks Toshiki is fake natural😂 I’m 100% sure that he’s natty. I’ve seen his training and taken his classes. As one of his students. I gotta prove that he is a true athlete.
He looks natural too😂 i mean he is big and all but not like unachievable.
No way is he going to admit in front of everyone like this come on bro😂😂😂
ボディビルの世界選手権でも日本は検査しても全然陽性反応が出ないので、明らかにおかしい身体してる人を無視して検査の数合わせかクリーンアピールのためなのか日本の選手を検査してくることが多いって合戸さん言ってたな。日本はドーピングしてなくて偉いってIFBBから表彰されてたくらい(バカらしいが)他の国が酷すぎる。
Only seeing this now because of the insta story, you should post a story as soon as you post!!
If you can achieve those numbers without roids I'll keep going then till I maxed out naturally and hope for the best without injuries
Toshiki is BOSS
120 mg of ibuprofen for that kind of an injury!? No wonder he was in pain. I would've expected like 800 mg to 1200 mg tablets, here even the common over the counter is 400 mg. Maybe he meant to say 200 instead of 20.
FFMI of like 27, but all natural of course.
320kg squat natty yeah, with 6 pack abs no.
there are few guys in the 1920ies to 1959ies that did a 300kg + deadlifts
@@saddemgargourizack telander did a 300 deadlift.
a professional internet fitness bro in this era , you have to be stupid to believe he isn't on gear @@-TK-
@@saddemgargouri and there probably would have been monster squatters back then if someone had invented the squat rack earlier. But alas, before it was made, one could only back squat the weight they could first clean from the ground.
@@theKashConnoisseur Heinrich Steinborn for instance ''squatted'' 250 kg 5 times , after managing to get the weight on his back without a squat rack
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Bro DBZ is timeless. 😢
My man bulked on cup ramen
ステ使ってる人は嫌いだけど、試合に出てこないってのは好感持てる。気持ちの問題だから説明し辛いけど、日本人がステ使うと海外選手の人以上に嫌悪感が生まれてしまうのはなぜだろう。
俺はこの2人がキッカケでウェイトリフティングの凄さに気付いて、いつかウェイトを始めたいと思ってる。
山本選手のウェイト認知度を高めるって目標は着実に広がってますよ。
freaking nuts yo
inb4 clarence becomes an interviewer
Weightoliftinguuu
korea vlog when???
If hes natty, i guess he should just hop on PEDs and smash every record there is.... Right?
If he were to do that, he would not only lose the career he has earned, but also lose the trust of the coaches and teammates involved.
There is no career path for a doping athlete to sustain in Japan.
are there actually people who think he's 100% natural?
No steroids? ha ha ha
Toshiki is hot
By Clarence's own fake natty standards (adding 10-15% weight the supposed "natty"'s totals, and checking if they are plausible), Toshiki's case is kinda plausible and kinda sus at the same time. Imagine someone who did 230 clean from blocks @ 89 kg bodyweight natty and then started using gear. He would manage to do 250-260 kg? That sounds kind of outlandish. At the same time, his snatch would go up to 175-187 and his C&J to 228-240.... which is arguably plausible, as that is the range of current world records for the 89 and 96 kg classes. He earns the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
Gonna bring all the DYELs in for this one.
Edit: Jawon Garrison, a powerlifter in the 181lb class, JUST set a world record squat of 777lbs a few days ago at the American Pro 2. Jawon is a lifetime natty, and he actually plans to go to the untested side and hop on to turn himself into a real monster the way John Haack did. Toshiki can 100% achieve the feats he has naturally.
Genetic freaks are real whether people want to except it or not. But trying to convince DYELs of this is like talking to a brick wall.
Testing is so incredibly easy to get around in the IPF/other tested feds. Give them a date window, blast outside of that window, make sure your system is flushed a week or so beforehand either side. It's literally just an intelligent test. The fact that 'tested' lifters are equalling or BESTING untested records - guys who have carte blanche to take EVERYTHING - should tell you all you need to know. The majority of the top 10 in any given weight category/class (outside of the LW women's or supers perhaps) will be juicing on the sly. I don't disagree with your point however that there ARE insanely gifted naturals out there.
you're a DYEL if you think this guy is natty with combination of his physique + numbers
@@christopherroberts2500There is no date window. They get tested randomly.
@sylsch2701 incorrect, there are literally not enough resources for that to happen, and it essentially locks athlete down into one place forever. There are one or two periods, fed dependent, where they have to state their whereabouts. Failure to appear within this periods is considered a fail. As I said, it's an intelligence test. Nobody over an 80IQ is fucking that up.
@@christopherroberts2500 Nobody is f*cking it up until the entire Russian state sponsored doping scandal broke. You'd figure the scientists running that would have IQs over 80, right? But anti-doping scientists are also genius-level smart. You can't just clear out all exogenous hormones out of your body to take a PED test and not have your biomarkers be completely and obviously out of whack. It doesn't take a galaxy-brain IQ to see a 200 lb stud with 99th percentile genetic superiority, see his free testosterone levels are about equal to a 90 year old FEMALE, and know that there might be something up lmao.
They're all on steroids and that's ok. More entertaining for us
While I won't claim to believe he's natty, I've also suspended disbelief in Toshiki's lack of natty-ness. My only personal take on support for him being natty is how many injuries and surgeries he's had. If we believe Clarence was natty when he said he was, he got to 150/190ish (I think) without gear, but messing up his knees and being constantly pretty badly injured and awful feeling. Going with this, too, Toshiki had almost a decade more of competitive WL experience than Clarence, giving him a lot more time to get more gains. It seems like Toshiki he had worse injuries than even Clarence did, and kept pushing through in very extreme ways (see other WLW's interviews) so to me it's conceivably possible he got to where he did natty, but paid a bigger price. Whereas if he wasn't natty, you'd figure he'd have been able to get by with less injuries by taking HGH or similar, or even non-banned drugs like calcitonin or Actovegin.
People use calcitonin for performance enhancement?
@@ahmarcamacho8404 In endurance sports mostly. Alberto Salazar in USA was famous for doing it with his athletes. Figured it would help Toshiki as it's meant for bone healing. Not on the banned list, either. For what it's worth, too, Toshiki could have legally used TB500 until I think 2021 or 2022, and BPC-157 until this year. Copper peptide still isn't on the banned list, either.
The fact that he (seemingly) just kept on running super injured without using these things to me makes me think, well, maybe he is/was natty?
@@GilBatesLovesyouthe large amount of injuries points more to steroids than anything else
@@dennisnordlund902 I think quite the opposite, since Clarence went on gear he's had relatively few injuries compared to when he was off.
Clarence knows Toshiki is a fake-natty...
Really? Clarence has said on Patreon he believes toshiki is natty…. On balance
But I guess Lance Armstrong still feels he didn’t do anything wrong
He seems like such an honest guy though. He doesn't seem like the type to actively lie about it.
However a 230 block clean under 90kg is crazy, and if he is not on drugs, what could he block clean if he took drugs. 250???? Is that even humanly possible?
I think the stakes for a Japanese person are much higher than for - let's say - the liver king, though. The absolute fundamental importance of keeping "face"/kao to any Japanese person, especially public person cannot be grasped easily by a Westerner. Toshiki could not live the life he wants to live admitting he uses or has used PEDs since Japanese culture is extremely concerned with honesty, integrity and keeping all that aligned with "face"/kao.
So if you think Toshiki uses PEDs, I think you should cut him some slack.
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Yeeeeha... Haha he aint fooling no one but dillutional normies. 😂
judging by this comment section some people are like yeah it must be genetics and training lmfao
I think it just makes average people feel better about being average to scream steroids, because then you can tell yourself "If I started using roids, I could be like that too". Truth is, genetics are a b*tch, and you could take all the PEDs in the world to still wind up smaller and weaker than the genetic elite are without any drugs. The truth hurts, and I understand not wanting to accept that reality.
whats a dilutional normie? is that chemistry slang?
While I agree with your post, that spelling gave me an aneurysm.
@@bilbonob548good
they are people that did 300 + deadlift in the early 20 century without steroids , i imagine a tall big guy doing a lot of squats can do that but your average shredded gym bro ? no way .
Toshikik isn't tall. He's 5'7"
Squats are harder for tall guys. All that extra limb length means longer ROM.
@@danielfarrell3534 no bro. Tall guys can put on more muscle and thus be stronger, even though they will be proportionally weaker than smaller people.
There is a reason why the strongest weightlifters are not short (I.E. Lasha who is like 198 cm)
@muellernikolai8630 nope. Its basic leverage. In any case Lasha is a freak of nature but also he's huge, not just tall. Wider thighs = less maximal ROM which means more efficient lift. Its basic biomechanics.
@@danielfarrell3534 @muellernikolai8630 the ''squat is harder for taller bros '' people misinterpret this statement , if A lifter and B lifter has the same muscle mass and A is shorter , A will likely to be able to lift more weights .
Oh boy the fake natty stance continues. We arent stupid 🤷
Dope
I actually believe he could be natural, especially looking at his body composition which isn't outrageous like most bodybuilders that openly use PED's. Of course his strength is way more "suspicious", but there is still a significant gap between him and the lifters from countries like China, who definitely do use something.
Its so sad and also funny that many guys here believes Toshiki is fake natty.
He has passed strict drug tests countless times while he was competing and the bodybuilding federation he is in also impose athletes drug inspection announced and unannounced.
They should look at the size of top natural japanese bodybuilders. They are absolutely massive and Toshiki is also one of those outliers to have that size and strength.
It's the typical Western gymbro mentality. They've got average genetics and believe anyone stronger or bigger than them is on gear.
Sorry but definitely NOT "natural."
He is absolutely natty and he is still not even so big in Japanese natural bodybuilding competitions.
I know you guys would not get it because you have never tried to reach our body’s limit without drags such as steroids but that is fact.
way too much hamstrings going on in the interview couldn't focus
is he really claiming to be natty lol
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Definitely not natty, but it is looked on very differently in East Asia, so there is no way he will ever admit it. Heck, it wasn’t even until relatively recently that we started talking about it openly in the west.
ステロイド使ってると思っている外人ワラワラででウケる。彼がスクワット強いからステロイド使ってるというのは無理やりすぎる主張だ。彼がどうやって抜き打ち検査を合格していると思っているんだ？
パワーリフティング界だと、ドーピング検査受けてるナチュラルの人でもスクワット400kg以上挙げてたりしますしね。
@@user-retsuzenretsugo そもそも、パワーとウエリフじゃ目的が違うからねぇ。
パワーの場合、SQのフォームもハイバーだし、無差別級の体でフルギアなら４００以上挙げるだろうね。
ウエリフの場合体型にもよるけど、目的の記録に対してSQのパワーバランスが十分ならば、他の技術練習や補強種目に時間を費やしたほうが記録につながる可能性がある。
what is most interesting is how difficult it is for viewers to imagine that this is possible without some magical pharmaceutical enhancement. It's as if by eliminating any possibility we are freed from our own internal sense of pre-determined hopelessness...it is much easier to be cynical, contrarian and crush any possibility in the other than it is to admit our own human limitations.
He might be not dosing at all or under-dosing making him to be in normal range and hence natty . So. He is natty
i beleieve he is natural because his body building physique isnt insane. he looks very good but he doesnt have the size that bodybuilders on peds would have. I believe his natty status.
Natty? Nobody believes you Bro!
Wait so Clarence is on steroids? Or was that a joke?
I'm pretty sure he's always been open about his use but just doesn't like to talk about it much
Is this comment a joke?
There's a legendary Japanese bodybuilder named Koji Godo. He got fundus hemorrhage on his left eye due to his intense training, and his doctor told him that he had to inject some steroids in him, but he refused it because he was so dead-set on being a natural bodybuilder. As a result, his left eye went blind. The other day, he got 12th place at the biggest nationwide natural bodybuilding contest in Japan at the age of 62. Toshiki wasn't even qualified to be there. This proves that his body is achievable while being natural. Well, I guess it doesn't prove it since it's still possible that Koji is a fake natty. But he went so far as to sacrifice one of his precious eyes because of his unnecessary pride and stubbornness. He must be natural and has a better body than Toshiki's.
Nope
His physique is top .01%. Looks natural.
LOL
Lmao I love how he immediately knows about tren and its effects...and yet claims hes natty...ok bro lol
Just like you know its effects, right?😂
mfs see a gifted athlete with elite genetics who has trained hard and dedicated 15+ years of their life to the gym achieve an impressive physique and numbers and say:
steroids, it's clearly steroids, humans shouldn't bench more than 2 plates
Uhh no, but it takes BOTH elite genetics + gear to reach a certain level. You could never ever hope to reach said level if you blasted gear your whole life. That's what people are saying.
@@bilbonob548 do you have some sort of evidence or concrete proof to back it up that toshiki's physique is unattainable for an elite natural or are you just repeating what you've read on youtube comments?
@@joaopedrosa9060 Yes. I have his blood work right here. Plus I have a personal video of him blasting.
I have a friend who gets crazy big and strong when he trains regularly. Everyone in a gym think he takes steroids but I know for shure he doesn't. He never trains for long because he gets very muscle bound and he hates stretching.
Toshiki is a legend , but him claming being natural makes him sound phony af, gear is no big deal for people who know the sport!
🥱 fake natty, let’s move on
Skinny boy😂
お国柄が違うんよ
ステロイド使うことにメリットがほとんどないのが日本なのよ
解り合えないわな