Impedance is only one thing related to power, the other is sensitivity. Low impedance headphone doesn't necessarily mean its easier to drive if the sensitivity is below 98 dB/mv. Impedance is how much power it allows into the headphone and sensitivity is how loud that headphone with that amount of power hence dB/mv. And Planar are usually power hungry by nature (there are some exception ofc).
I listened to deadmau5 on this with knowles curve on ny eq and my jaw hit the floor. I have never heard anything sound that good.....i felt like i was tripping. Mind blowing with edm and trance.
Well, I was thinking about getting these and ended up buying them. I just ordered them at 150. I have a sound blaster G6 and I listen to a mix of music and play games. I have the HD6XX as well and like the sound of them and I just want differe t experiences right now. I am looking forward to getting these in the mail. I have been using mobile/blutooth headphones for a while and what got me started on wanting better quality sound was when I landed on the momentum 4s. I will come back once I have an update with the hifiman sundara closed backs. Over all I ha e been watching a lot of your stuff recently to lean as well as other channels. You have helped he avoid getting far more expensive stuff. I am sure the G6 will do wonderful for these as well. I hope. Keep up the awesome content.
I am so sad that you lost so many views man. I just don't understand how are you getting only 10k views a video, this is nonesense. Please don't let that stop you, you really helped me throughout my headphone purchases for me and my friends. I have been watching you from the day you only had like 1k subs and I will still watch all your videos, even tho I know, I won't purchase the item. Wish you all the best
Its by saying items like this are good headphones...these are some of the worst sounding headphones made by hifiman...this is one of the only positive reviews of this headphone
If you want a hidden gem in headphones, check out the denon AH-D7200. They are superior for the price. They are semi-closed and have the best of both worlds (open/closed headphones). Insanely deep bass and good soundstage too. They are fun for music (best bass I've ever heard, very good detail and also good soundstage) and best for immersive (bass) and also competitive gaming (imaging). You can also listen to them all day and they don't tire at all, very pleasant highs.
i think it would be beneficial for you to expand you knowledge about the headphone worlds, such as frequency range is a more on paper thing, impedance isn't the only factor when it comes to powering headphones, slanted earpads are not really for comfort but to angle the drivers more to your ears, it may also be a good idea to look at headphone frequency response graphs, i think it could add to your reviews.
The only thing is that most of his subscribers would not be too interested in frequency graphs. All they want to know is if a headphone/headset is good for hearing footsteps. I comment on other video's that most of that is to do with a game's sound design and nothing to do with how a headset sounds.
Maybe two versions of each video? For example, one “traditional Techne” and one with more technical info (i.e. the same video but the traditional has the technical part cut out).
I get this type of comment a lot across many products. But when I started my channel I told myself I will always base my channel off a daily user/consumer view not an over filled spec/company view. There are many many many, so dang many channels that do that, they are great sure, but again thats just not what I personally enjoy watching, never really did, and still do not. Don't take this as me being rude, but as a content creator the biggest area I think we should focus on is being US/YOU, not what sells, or generates #'s. So again, I really enjoy just covering product as a gamer, and average consumer.
@@TheTechne You excel at what you do and how you do it; I wouldn’t want you to change either of those, especially if you feel it’d take away from the the Core Techne.
Literally, this was the one and only sundara closed back review on UA-cam that was positive. Most more professional reviewers think that this is s garbage of a headphone...
@@TheTechne Hi Techne, I do like your videos and channel, don't get me wrong 👍, but I just couldn't find a positive review about these headphones. Currently I have a Beyer DT770 Pro (80 ohms) and feel like trying something new.. but the Beyers set the bar pretty high and not sure if I wanted to spend money on this. 😃
@@myquietreviews I don't feel you should not buy a headphone that doesn't sound good or normal in general even if all you need is imaging. That's just stupid. It's like buying a monitor where the colors would be all fucked up but it's 500hz, as if that would redeem it. Gamers deserve good audio quality too. If it sounds good for music, it sounds good for games so trusting those music focused reviewers is fine. That said, I have not tried these closed backs. The regular sundara is great.
@@kutasimusic The beyers aren't that high a bar tbh xd Maybe for the price they're as good as closed backs get though, I don't know what the competitor would be. I just know that budget open backs blow those out of the water. Dunno how this compares.
I have the ifi zen dac v2/ and amp. I only play fps games competitively, so footsteps are a must.. Which one would you choose with a $500 headphone budget between these closed back sandaras or the Drop + dan Clarke aeon x closed back headphones?
For a $400 headset that now cost $150, if you pair it with the SteelSeries game dac Gen 2 you would get the best console gaming headset. The game dac Gen 2 is the only amplified game dac that can be used with next generation consoles and if it’s good enough to drive the Sundara’s on PC it will definitely drive the Sundara closed backs on consoles
These are on sale on amazon right now for 150 bucks, I picked up a pair since I don't have a good pair of closed backs, I figure at that price kind of hard to lose.
Interesting to see the Sundara coming out in a closed back 🤩🤯! Very premium looking headphone. Pricin* seems fair for what’s on offer. 50k though…… no one’s gonna take advantage of those frequencies 🙄. Bit of a “chest beat” imo.
These are starting to get into audiophile territory. Sundaras are going to sound better than ANY gaming brand headset but i would recommend using an amp/dac combo with them to get the best sound. I have a pair of Sundaras and Sennheiser HD 560s and i prefer the Sennheiser's for gaming you should review those! And the Sennheiser are much cheaper. Sundaras have a lot of bass and in game like COD and Valorant when you have a lot going on they drown out important sound cues.
have you tried EQ the sundara with harman target by oratory1990 and reduced the bass, sub-bass for competetive fps gaming ? I have the sundara and considering buying hd 560s just for competetive gaming but don't know if its worth it. would like to know how sundara compared to hd 560s with harman target EQ in gaming
I currently use a Sound BlasterX G6, on my PS5, which definitely opens up my headset options so I wonder how that would pump these while playing something like Destiny or something like Forbidden West
I use the G6 on my PC/ps5 paired with the open back Sundara. More than enough power for those, plus it has the high/low gain option. Should be plenty for the closed back version.
@@MFWolfman Yeah, currently using the G6 to drive my VZR Model One's and they are glorious, but that's not to say I'm not curious about other new headsets out there. I'm sure I annoy my gf when there's always a new "test" item being Amazon'd to the front door. But atm, my VZR is my current main but switching to a DAC Amp really opens up my world so always looking at new stuff!
I wouldn't buy them because there magnetic I I had bought the audeze gaming gaming headphones way too heavy and magnetic is no good for your head stick with dynamic drivers and be safe
@@jamesstevens968 u crazy Brosky I love my planar magnetic penrose from audeze it is literally the best sounding gaming headphone I’ve ever owned and that’s saying something 😂 surprises me you wasn’t happy with the Audeze man it really does. You had all the firmware up to date and stuff??
I still love the VZR Model One, The sound is fantastic on both consoles and pc. Seems like these are great on PC, But not as good on consoles. I'll just stick with my Model One, These seem like a fantastic pair though, Might pick up a pair if my current pair start having issues eventually. I can't seem to find any replacement ear pads for the Model One though, If the cushions start to wear out eventually I'm not sure how we're supposed to purchase an extra pair.
Pretty much. They have a sensitivity of less than a 100. So basically super easy for pretty much any pc. It will work fine with consoles just missing a small bit of juice to be optimal.
To be honest after a certain point the gains are not worth it. Unless you are a super hardcore audiophile or you love trying out new things. The price tag is a bit too much.
Techne, pls review the Hifiman HE-R9 headphones. These apparently have really good bass and wide soundstage for closed back headphones. They look stupid tho, but I don't care lol
They are only $150 not $400. I am pretty sure if he thought the sound was worth $400 like he said they are even better at $150 and better than the Maxwells at $300. I am going to get the Sundara closed back and pair it with my Game dac Gen 2. I saw a video of the Arctis nova pro wired and the guy said his Sundara’s sound great paired with the game dac Gen 2 but I am not sure if he has the open back Sundara’s or the closed back. The open back Sundara’s cost $300 and a lot of people say they are better than the Audeze Maxwells but it’s hard to compare a open back headphone to a closed back headphone. The Sundara closed back is more comparable to the Maxwells and with a dac amp the Sundara closed back should sound better than the Audeze Maxwells because the Maxwells are wireless. I heard the Maxwells sound better when plugged into a dac amp than when used wirelessly but the Maxwells cost double the price and you have to be paying at least $100 more because they are wireless
These headphones are F'n Dope but the only downside are that your ears will be cooking after awhile 😂😂😂 But seriously can anyone recommend some good cooling gel earpads for them PLEASE???
Impedance is only one thing related to power, the other is sensitivity. Low impedance headphone doesn't necessarily mean its easier to drive if the sensitivity is below 98 dB/mv. Impedance is how much power it allows into the headphone and sensitivity is how loud that headphone with that amount of power hence dB/mv. And Planar are usually power hungry by nature (there are some exception ofc).
They look like the safety headgear I wear at work
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Not a big fan of those cups. They look like orange sharpie was drawn on them
I listened to deadmau5 on this with knowles curve on ny eq and my jaw hit the floor. I have never heard anything sound that good.....i felt like i was tripping. Mind blowing with edm and trance.
I will 100% be buying these. I bought the zen stack after your review of them and they did not disappoint. Thanks for another solid review.
4:33 bass is neither thumpy or rumbly? dang... some other reviewers said the sub-bass was rumbly and well-extended.
Well, I was thinking about getting these and ended up buying them. I just ordered them at 150. I have a sound blaster G6 and I listen to a mix of music and play games. I have the HD6XX as well and like the sound of them and I just want differe t experiences right now. I am looking forward to getting these in the mail. I have been using mobile/blutooth headphones for a while and what got me started on wanting better quality sound was when I landed on the momentum 4s. I will come back once I have an update with the hifiman sundara closed backs. Over all I ha e been watching a lot of your stuff recently to lean as well as other channels. You have helped he avoid getting far more expensive stuff. I am sure the G6 will do wonderful for these as well. I hope. Keep up the awesome content.
Not available in the Netherlands unfortunately, but I managed to snag the normal Sundaras for $227 just last week. Very excited!
Waar heb je die gekocht voor 227? En hoe bevalt hij?
@@Rose-360 Amazon Duitsland warehouse deal (open box). Bevalt uitstekend!
@@Pipiezi Oke, er staat nu niets meer op ik ga het in de gaten houden. Dankjewel!
I am so sad that you lost so many views man. I just don't understand how are you getting only 10k views a video, this is nonesense. Please don't let that stop you, you really helped me throughout my headphone purchases for me and my friends. I have been watching you from the day you only had like 1k subs and I will still watch all your videos, even tho I know, I won't purchase the item.
Wish you all the best
Its by saying items like this are good headphones...these are some of the worst sounding headphones made by hifiman...this is one of the only positive reviews of this headphone
@jeremysumpter8939 They're great headphones they're just not for everyone that's all & especially at $150 you can't complain 🤦🏿🤷🏿
these are $150 now!!!!!
lol I’ve been roaming the headphone subreddit for quite a while but never realised there is a closed back version of the Sundaras.
these looks good
If you want a hidden gem in headphones, check out the denon AH-D7200. They are superior for the price. They are semi-closed and have the best of both worlds (open/closed headphones). Insanely deep bass and good soundstage too. They are fun for music (best bass I've ever heard, very good detail and also good soundstage) and best for immersive (bass) and also competitive gaming (imaging). You can also listen to them all day and they don't tire at all, very pleasant highs.
A lot of people say the open sundara is better, what do you think?
Already in the comments thankin ya for the review on the original Sundara's which are such a win for the money!
i think it would be beneficial for you to expand you knowledge about the headphone worlds, such as frequency range is a more on paper thing, impedance isn't the only factor when it comes to powering headphones, slanted earpads are not really for comfort but to angle the drivers more to your ears, it may also be a good idea to look at headphone frequency response graphs, i think it could add to your reviews.
The only thing is that most of his subscribers would not be too interested in frequency graphs. All they want to know is if a headphone/headset is good for hearing footsteps.
I comment on other video's that most of that is to do with a game's sound design and nothing to do with how a headset sounds.
@@garethg8226 he can simply show it while talking about the sound, its a good visualisation of sound profile.
Maybe two versions of each video? For example, one “traditional Techne” and one with more technical info (i.e. the same video but the traditional has the technical part cut out).
I get this type of comment a lot across many products. But when I started my channel I told myself I will always base my channel off a daily user/consumer view not an over filled spec/company view.
There are many many many, so dang many channels that do that, they are great sure, but again thats just not what I personally enjoy watching, never really did, and still do not.
Don't take this as me being rude, but as a content creator the biggest area I think we should focus on is being US/YOU, not what sells, or generates #'s.
So again, I really enjoy just covering product as a gamer, and average consumer.
@@TheTechne You excel at what you do and how you do it; I wouldn’t want you to change either of those, especially if you feel it’d take away from the the Core Techne.
Literally, this was the one and only sundara closed back review on UA-cam that was positive.
Most more professional reviewers think that this is s garbage of a headphone...
very good for gaming
@@TheTechne Hi Techne, I do like your videos and channel, don't get me wrong 👍, but I just couldn't find a positive review about these headphones.
Currently I have a Beyer DT770 Pro (80 ohms) and feel like trying something new.. but the Beyers set the bar pretty high and not sure if I wanted to spend money on this. 😃
Because a lot of those reviews & reviewers are not really looking at them from a gamer perspective but I have faith in him & trust his reviews 100% 👍🏿
@@myquietreviews I don't feel you should not buy a headphone that doesn't sound good or normal in general even if all you need is imaging. That's just stupid. It's like buying a monitor where the colors would be all fucked up but it's 500hz, as if that would redeem it. Gamers deserve good audio quality too. If it sounds good for music, it sounds good for games so trusting those music focused reviewers is fine.
That said, I have not tried these closed backs. The regular sundara is great.
@@kutasimusic The beyers aren't that high a bar tbh xd
Maybe for the price they're as good as closed backs get though, I don't know what the competitor would be. I just know that budget open backs blow those out of the water. Dunno how this compares.
I have the ifi zen dac v2/ and amp. I only play fps games competitively, so footsteps are a must.. Which one would you choose with a $500 headphone budget between these closed back sandaras or the Drop + dan Clarke aeon x closed back headphones?
For a $400 headset that now cost $150, if you pair it with the SteelSeries game dac Gen 2 you would get the best console gaming headset. The game dac Gen 2 is the only amplified game dac that can be used with next generation consoles and if it’s good enough to drive the Sundara’s on PC it will definitely drive the Sundara closed backs on consoles
These are on sale on amazon right now for 150 bucks, I picked up a pair since I don't have a good pair of closed backs, I figure at that price kind of hard to lose.
I’d be quite interested in your opinion about the dca aeon 2 noire tbh
Interesting to see the Sundara coming out in a closed back 🤩🤯! Very premium looking headphone. Pricin* seems fair for what’s on offer. 50k though…… no one’s gonna take advantage of those frequencies 🙄. Bit of a “chest beat” imo.
Comparison between these and the VZR model one?
hmmmm
These are starting to get into audiophile territory. Sundaras are going to sound better than ANY gaming brand headset but i would recommend using an amp/dac combo with them to get the best sound. I have a pair of Sundaras and Sennheiser HD 560s and i prefer the Sennheiser's for gaming you should review those! And the Sennheiser are much cheaper. Sundaras have a lot of bass and in game like COD and Valorant when you have a lot going on they drown out important sound cues.
I like the 560s especially for competitive. However for single players I miss a bit of bassy punch. I might get the ifi zen dac air for the bass boost
i use the HD660s, best headphones i've ever used for gaming, and music.
have you tried EQ the sundara with harman target by oratory1990 and reduced the bass, sub-bass for competetive fps gaming ? I have the sundara and considering buying hd 560s just for competetive gaming but don't know if its worth it. would like to know how sundara compared to hd 560s with harman target EQ in gaming
@@ruumelan I havent tried Eqing them but i do use them for music. For competitive gaming the Sennheisers are def better IMO.
Great review as always, how is the imaging for FPS games like Call of duty ? or is this good for "story" games ? Thanks
man, these are so good across all games
I currently use a Sound BlasterX G6, on my PS5, which definitely opens up my headset options so I wonder how that would pump these while playing something like Destiny or something like Forbidden West
I use the G6 on my PC/ps5 paired with the open back Sundara. More than enough power for those, plus it has the high/low gain option. Should be plenty for the closed back version.
@@MFWolfman Yeah, currently using the G6 to drive my VZR Model One's and they are glorious, but that's not to say I'm not curious about other new headsets out there. I'm sure I annoy my gf when there's always a new "test" item being Amazon'd to the front door. But atm, my VZR is my current main but switching to a DAC Amp really opens up my world so always looking at new stuff!
plenty of enough. I also play a lot of destiny with these bad boys, oh man it's so great!
I just ordered these from Amazon for $149.99 & I'm gonna pair them with the Schiit HeL 2 amp so I'm definitely pumped 😱😱😱😱
Oooo man I gotta try these out! I didn’t realize they were planar Magnetic driven 😍
I wouldn't buy them because there magnetic I I had bought the audeze gaming gaming headphones way too heavy and magnetic is no good for your head stick with dynamic drivers and be safe
@@jamesstevens968 u crazy Brosky I love my planar magnetic penrose from audeze it is literally the best sounding gaming headphone I’ve ever owned and that’s saying something 😂 surprises me you wasn’t happy with the Audeze man it really does. You had all the firmware up to date and stuff??
I still love the VZR Model One, The sound is fantastic on both consoles and pc. Seems like these are great on PC, But not as good on consoles. I'll just stick with my Model One, These seem like a fantastic pair though, Might pick up a pair if my current pair start having issues eventually. I can't seem to find any replacement ear pads for the Model One though, If the cushions start to wear out eventually I'm not sure how we're supposed to purchase an extra pair.
Pretty much. They have a sensitivity of less than a 100. So basically super easy for pretty much any pc. It will work fine with consoles just missing a small bit of juice to be optimal.
$150 on amazon right now
Just got a pair. So good - for that price an absoulte steal!
How were these compared to the Austrian Audio X60?
Are you still recommending these or is there a better alternative for gaming/music? Thank you
these vs the h6pro closed backs in terms of soundstage?
To be honest after a certain point the gains are not worth it. Unless you are a super hardcore audiophile or you love trying out new things. The price tag is a bit too much.
For gaming the h6pro is definately good enough!
@@AnDr3w066 Agree.
@@danielh12345 Agree.
wireless headset recommendations under 250ish?
Product link seems to be missing?
its only available in certain countires.
Listened to these at CanJam SoCal 2022, treble too recessed for me.
i swear he sounds just like my english teacher as a guy
Techne, pls review the Hifiman HE-R9 headphones. These apparently have really good bass and wide soundstage for closed back headphones. They look stupid tho, but I don't care lol
have a pair coming from Amazon tomorrow for just $150
Hey techne is the turtle beach recon 500 better than black shark v2x
no, the v2x outclasses it in every way, turtle beach is a very mid tier company
I would go v2x
Thanks for the advise
Great review! What is the amp/dac you are using?
ifi zen
@@TheTechne is that actually you telegramming with me?
@@rubenalvarado3951 no, dang UA-cam scammers at it again
@@TheTechne didn’t think so.
Thank you techne
Has anyone have any suggestions on the best pads replacement for these???
I heard Dekoni pads go well with Hifimans
As of this post, they're only 150$ from Amazon
HAHAHA I had to look at the thumbnail a second time because I thought it was Scout from TF2
Looking like a real g with the beard.
They are only $150 not $400. I am pretty sure if he thought the sound was worth $400 like he said they are even better at $150 and better than the Maxwells at $300. I am going to get the Sundara closed back and pair it with my Game dac Gen 2. I saw a video of the Arctis nova pro wired and the guy said his Sundara’s sound great paired with the game dac Gen 2 but I am not sure if he has the open back Sundara’s or the closed back. The open back Sundara’s cost $300 and a lot of people say they are better than the Audeze Maxwells but it’s hard to compare a open back headphone to a closed back headphone. The Sundara closed back is more comparable to the Maxwells and with a dac amp the Sundara closed back should sound better than the Audeze Maxwells because the Maxwells are wireless. I heard the Maxwells sound better when plugged into a dac amp than when used wirelessly but the Maxwells cost double the price and you have to be paying at least $100 more because they are wireless
Odizi man. Repeat with me. Oodizi, like in Assassin's Creed® Odyssey
now I wanna play AC
Bought them didn't like them so I returned them,not worth that kind of money, had them hooked up to my ifi dac
Corey Feldman
Other than looking like a hamburger bun, these seem amazing.
These headphones are F'n Dope but the only downside are that your ears will be cooking after awhile 😂😂😂 But seriously can anyone recommend some good cooling gel earpads for them PLEASE???
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Brother,, clean your face off next time after licking the cake batter bowl clean 😁😁.
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@@TheTechne I was messing with you and saying your scruff from a distance looks like dried chocolate all over your face lol.
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