For starters reliability and frequency. I usually take the bus to the airport without too much issues, but tried to take it on Saturday to the airport and the bus didn't show (even though the bus tracker app says that there was a bus coming at the scheduled time). Buses every 45 minutes on Saturdays and every hour on Sundays are too long of a wait. Other improvements are bus shelters would be nice instead of a just a stick in the grass during winter. More Suburb to suburb connectivity connectivity would be needed since majority of the commutes in this region for work is between suburbs.
Didn’t realize how horrible DDOT and SMART transit was until i moved to Dallas 10 years ago. I hope they can get better transit in Detroit/metro Detroit cause it’s pretty sad.
Dallas ain’t saying much come out here to Seattle it’s a completely different world there building the infrastructure and transit systems correctly just goes to show how far behind Detroit is people stuck in there box/ways.
@@rbtheballerAs someone who’s spent a lot of time in Seattle I agree and have enjoyed seeing what’s being done, although it’s definitely tougher for Detroit (and Michigan as a whole) considering how much of their economy is still based around the auto and manufacturing industries
@@metrofilmer8894 biggest issue at the top is Michigan still has a income tax Washington state doesn’t have an income tax, Detroit is also strangled by its suburban organizations like RTA that refuses to build mass transit for the region, Detroit needs to abandon those type of organizations and focus on just the city as they routinely vote against anything positive that can help the city, it’s important to go from an income tax to a higher sales tax and become business friendly that way the suburbanints that enjoy the city on the weekends will now contribute economically to its growth rather then the city workers incomes being tax to the brim to create a playground for the rich to come on the weekends.
Add charging devices in buses. Have a better collaboration design for airport travelers since it’s nearly impossible to use public transportation to go to the airport on weekends - maybe make shuttles that go to airport on weekends. Design a PUBLIC Shuttle to airport that stops at Greyhound, Rosa Parks Transfer station, and Amtrak
Worst busses in the country! I was robbed in broad daylight at schoolcraft and Greenfield waiting for the Greenfield bus by a 13 year old worthless thug. Kid knew the cops ain't coming and took his time going through my backpack with gun in hand
Detroit lack of transit is complicated. Besides the segregation and the surrounding metro dictating this. The other issue is Detroit proper is still not the nucleus of Detroit metro like it was some 50 years ago. Detroit is going in the right direction. But when you compare it to San Francisco, Chicago and New York for example. Those places have a lot going on, including a thriving economy in the proper cities where it makes sense to have a mass transit. Until Detroit reaches that point to some degree. People won't see the justification of mass transit that's build for Detroit to the metro and vice versa. This is coming from someone whom use to reside there and now reside in the Bay area California where traffic is a mess and people commute hours away to work here, due it being expensive. So an updated transit is a necessity here due the work being primarily in San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose. Detroit just doesn't have that yet. The auto industry was Detroit's last staple economy.
Nobody wants to talk about it because it’s Motor City, but the automobile is why Detroits been in decline for so long and it’s what’s holding it back. It’s why roads are terrible, it’s why we have no fault insurance, why the downtown core is emptied and everybody’s relocated to the suburbs and forced to commute and spend gas money every week and why the population has moved. Reclaiming the city from urban blight and developing a functional public transportation network of rail, bus, commuter bikes and a more walkable downtown is what it will take to save the city. Automobile manufacturing may have left the US but that shouldn’t be what defines the city’s future forever.
Took DDot to work for three years. Some drivers have the worst attitude. Would not leave the DDot station on time. Inside the station talking. Went inside Rosa Park station to find out why aren't the drivers leaving on time according to the schedule. I was told to catch an earlier bus.
Try taking the Warren Ave bus, they are late or do not even show up, same with the Wyoming bus. Standing in the freezing weather are the elderly with there carts, disabled people, working people, people trying to get to doctors appointments with no bus at the scheduled times. No excuses for this!!
No operator to run a coach on line? The run must be cut. 600 runs 2 terminals and a broken system with limited funding and grants.....dealt with this as a TEO myself.
This is the biggest issue holding Detroit back besides over built freeways and income tax sooner they tackle these issues Detroit will take off as one of the best cities in the country!
I lived in San Francisco for over 30 years. Transit there was great. An app on your phone would track your bus & tell you how many buses were on line & the ETA for the closest bus. Underground rail was a great way to beat the weather. Perhaps someone should go to SF & study what they did? We could learn a lot.
Connect the people mover to Metro Airport, Dearborn, and Downriver. use the people mover stations as bus depots. Then run light rail lines down Telegraph, Grand River, Woodward, and Fort Street. lastly you take all of that and connect it to Ann Arbor. Run express trains from Michigan Central and Dearborn to Lansing, Grand Rapids, Traverse City, and of course Ann Arbor. But this report was right, its going to take people using these services to justify it. Gen Z has to embrace public transit in the region. Detroit once boasted the best public transit system in the nation. No reason we can't do it again.
I'm not sure when the people making transit decisions will finally realize that most people don't like riding buses. Trains and streetcars, yes, but buses, not so much. They continue to pour all this money into more buses (and "super buses? - give me a break) when history shows that people will not ride them. I would be very surprised if this changes in the future! Please no more buses. Please. Invest in trains and other modes of transportation - even if it takes longer to find enough money.
Agree with trains and light rail but if you look at every other city in the world public transportation is a key driver in the city Detroit just refuses to wake up
Well it’s also because buses use the same roads and suffer the same traffic that cars do, only take more stops to pick up and drop off passengers. So while cheap it will take you longer to get to where you’re needing to go. Some cities get around this with dedicated bus lanes along the routes but this also contributes to Detroits terrible roads. A light rail system that hits only the major hubs with a focus on downtown solves this. Speedy, zero traffic, high passenger count that scales up depending on the amount of train cars, is electrified so pollution is minimized, and comes with the added benefit of incentivizing urban development along the stops and revitalizes the downtown core while extending the lines to the wider metro area and connecting the suburbs. With less cars on the roads we can also finally get around to fixing them. It’s time American cities get in line and start doing what the rest of the developed world is doing regarding their public infrastructure and urban development. Whether the big 3 would ever allow this is another matter as it’d cut into their bottom line but screw them, they in part caused the downfall of the city by exporting the jobs to cheaper countries and concentrated the wealth they’ve made at our expense.
people always mention the price when it comes to new public transit infrastructure but never when it comes to other acts of the government that "lose money" like the millitary or the highway network. Public goods are not supposed to make money, even if we were counting dollars spent to new wealth created, light rail and passenger rail lines are a far better investment than stroads when it comes to dollars input vs new wealth created.
Why not expand the q line to Pontiac, take a right on 8 and 16 mile to mt Clemens, and a route on Jefferson to port Huron ? Like it used to be. I bet it would reduce the amount of drunk driving accidents and open up opportunities for people without cars that want to work
QLine is privately funded to be built in phases that are supposed to have been done by now. Guess the vendors that were investing in it has backed out of it!
For starters reliability and frequency. I usually take the bus to the airport without too much issues, but tried to take it on Saturday to the airport and the bus didn't show (even though the bus tracker app says that there was a bus coming at the scheduled time). Buses every 45 minutes on Saturdays and every hour on Sundays are too long of a wait.
Other improvements are bus shelters would be nice instead of a just a stick in the grass during winter. More Suburb to suburb connectivity connectivity would be needed since majority of the commutes in this region for work is between suburbs.
Commuter rail, light rail and Amtrak. Wake ⏰️ up Detroit...... Hello.....
Didn’t realize how horrible DDOT and SMART transit was until i moved to Dallas 10 years ago. I hope they can get better transit in Detroit/metro Detroit cause it’s pretty sad.
They Not.
Dallas ain’t saying much come out here to Seattle it’s a completely different world there building the infrastructure and transit systems correctly just goes to show how far behind Detroit is people stuck in there box/ways.
@@rbtheballerAs someone who’s spent a lot of time in Seattle I agree and have enjoyed seeing what’s being done, although it’s definitely tougher for Detroit (and Michigan as a whole) considering how much of their economy is still based around the auto and manufacturing industries
@@metrofilmer8894 biggest issue at the top is Michigan still has a income tax Washington state doesn’t have an income tax, Detroit is also strangled by its suburban organizations like RTA that refuses to build mass transit for the region, Detroit needs to abandon those type of organizations and focus on just the city as they routinely vote against anything positive that can help the city, it’s important to go from an income tax to a higher sales tax and become business friendly that way the suburbanints that enjoy the city on the weekends will now contribute economically to its growth rather then the city workers incomes being tax to the brim to create a playground for the rich to come on the weekends.
It's definitely by design, it takes 3 hours on the bus to get to the suburbs 20 minutes away
Add charging devices in buses. Have a better collaboration design for airport travelers since it’s nearly impossible to use public transportation to go to the airport on weekends - maybe make shuttles that go to airport on weekends. Design a PUBLIC Shuttle to airport that stops at Greyhound, Rosa Parks Transfer station, and Amtrak
Worst busses in the country! I was robbed in broad daylight at schoolcraft and Greenfield waiting for the Greenfield bus by a 13 year old worthless thug. Kid knew the cops ain't coming and took his time going through my backpack with gun in hand
Detroit lack of transit is complicated. Besides the segregation and the surrounding metro dictating this. The other issue is Detroit proper is still not the nucleus of Detroit metro like it was some 50 years ago. Detroit is going in the right direction. But when you compare it to San Francisco, Chicago and New York for example. Those places have a lot going on, including a thriving economy in the proper cities where it makes sense to have a mass transit. Until Detroit reaches that point to some degree. People won't see the justification of mass transit that's build for Detroit to the metro and vice versa. This is coming from someone whom use to reside there and now reside in the Bay area California where traffic is a mess and people commute hours away to work here, due it being expensive. So an updated transit is a necessity here due the work being primarily in San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose. Detroit just doesn't have that yet. The auto industry was Detroit's last staple economy.
Nobody wants to talk about it because it’s Motor City, but the automobile is why Detroits been in decline for so long and it’s what’s holding it back. It’s why roads are terrible, it’s why we have no fault insurance, why the downtown core is emptied and everybody’s relocated to the suburbs and forced to commute and spend gas money every week and why the population has moved.
Reclaiming the city from urban blight and developing a functional public transportation network of rail, bus, commuter bikes and a more walkable downtown is what it will take to save the city. Automobile manufacturing may have left the US but that shouldn’t be what defines the city’s future forever.
Took DDot to work for three years. Some drivers have the worst attitude. Would not leave the DDot station on time. Inside the station talking. Went inside Rosa Park station to find out why aren't the drivers leaving on time according to the schedule. I was told to catch an earlier bus.
Start with voting the politicians out of office
Amen, bye bye gretch!
Try taking the Warren Ave bus, they are late or do not even show up, same with the Wyoming bus. Standing in the freezing weather are the elderly with there carts, disabled people, working people, people trying to get to doctors appointments with no bus at the scheduled times. No excuses for this!!
No operator to run a coach on line? The run must be cut. 600 runs 2 terminals and a broken system with limited funding and grants.....dealt with this as a TEO myself.
The motor city need a light rail gone south and north and west and east
Won't happen
Extend the Q-line for heaven sakes!!
This is the biggest issue holding Detroit back besides over built freeways and income tax sooner they tackle these issues Detroit will take off as one of the best cities in the country!
I lived in San Francisco for over 30 years. Transit there was great. An app on your phone would track your bus & tell you how many buses were on line & the ETA for the closest bus. Underground rail was a great way to beat the weather. Perhaps someone should go to SF & study what they did? We could learn a lot.
We need subways, full stop.
Mayor James Couzens vetoed a bill for an implementation of a subway system back in 1920.
The people mover was going to link over 12 miles but the gentrification machine demanded it end within the city.
It was going to be expanded? To where?
@@rareview362 the detroit zoo
@@averageamerican786 thanks for the reply.
Gentrification had nothing to do with it. Had to do with money & suburbs not wanting "undesirables " traveling thru their community
Timing and better signage with maps.. Detroit is a great City..
Stay proud
1:11 That photo of SMART nus 2016 Gillig BRT-40 is my photo I took in 2016.
Connect the people mover to Metro Airport, Dearborn, and Downriver. use the people mover stations as bus depots. Then run light rail lines down Telegraph, Grand River, Woodward, and Fort Street. lastly you take all of that and connect it to Ann Arbor. Run express trains from Michigan Central and Dearborn to Lansing, Grand Rapids, Traverse City, and of course Ann Arbor. But this report was right, its going to take people using these services to justify it. Gen Z has to embrace public transit in the region. Detroit once boasted the best public transit system in the nation. No reason we can't do it again.
I'm not sure when the people making transit decisions will finally realize that most people don't like riding buses. Trains and streetcars, yes, but buses, not so much. They continue to pour all this money into more buses (and "super buses? - give me a break) when history shows that people will not ride them. I would be very surprised if this changes in the future! Please no more buses. Please. Invest in trains and other modes of transportation - even if it takes longer to find enough money.
Agree with trains and light rail but if you look at every other city in the world public transportation is a key driver in the city Detroit just refuses to wake up
Well it’s also because buses use the same roads and suffer the same traffic that cars do, only take more stops to pick up and drop off passengers. So while cheap it will take you longer to get to where you’re needing to go. Some cities get around this with dedicated bus lanes along the routes but this also contributes to Detroits terrible roads.
A light rail system that hits only the major hubs with a focus on downtown solves this. Speedy, zero traffic, high passenger count that scales up depending on the amount of train cars, is electrified so pollution is minimized, and comes with the added benefit of incentivizing urban development along the stops and revitalizes the downtown core while extending the lines to the wider metro area and connecting the suburbs.
With less cars on the roads we can also finally get around to fixing them. It’s time American cities get in line and start doing what the rest of the developed world is doing regarding their public infrastructure and urban development. Whether the big 3 would ever allow this is another matter as it’d cut into their bottom line but screw them, they in part caused the downfall of the city by exporting the jobs to cheaper countries and concentrated the wealth they’ve made at our expense.
Remember first it's automobile mentality. Let folk ride free
Please it ain’t go change
people always mention the price when it comes to new public transit infrastructure but never when it comes to other acts of the government that "lose money" like the millitary or the highway network. Public goods are not supposed to make money, even if we were counting dollars spent to new wealth created, light rail and passenger rail lines are a far better investment than stroads when it comes to dollars input vs new wealth created.
my dear.enjjoyed, unusual - 💯
Why not expand the q line to Pontiac, take a right on 8 and 16 mile to mt Clemens, and a route on Jefferson to port Huron ? Like it used to be. I bet it would reduce the amount of drunk driving accidents and open up opportunities for people without cars that want to work
It’s what the people want. Nobody wants to wait up to year for an overpriced car and would reduce carbon emissions
QLine is privately funded to be built in phases that are supposed to have been done by now. Guess the vendors that were investing in it has backed out of it!
Fast
That bus is moving fast...because no one is using it .🥴
Easier tunnel
and bridge access
COMMUTER RAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dumb Government wants to make Traffic WORSE!!!!!!!!!
Detroit! Take Notes from Chicago's Metra!
Give everyone a car!
Craig for governor 🙏😁💜
Detoilet 😔👎🤮