Ya know Bruce, I have run across this exact same issue a number of times only on blade brake clutch equipped mowers. Several were Quantums and I think two were Honda engines, all with blade clutch setups. There was so much play in the upper crank bearing that they would shake all over and leak oil from the upper seal, a couple would even strike the magneto coil. I have never run across this problem with standard mower engines or large blade brake engines, only small block blade brake equipped models. I don’t know if the smaller engines with a blade brake clutch need more upper bearing support or maybe they need an actual roller bearing on the upper or what it is, but to me it seems to be a common failure point with the blade brake models. Just my observation FWIW, thanks for the great video and I can’t wait for the autopsy (though I’ve done a few for the same reason). BTW, I just converted those mowers to standard operation without the blade brake using a standard mower engine and pulleys / blade adapter.
I put a GCV160 on the HRX217 deck (had a blown GCV190). It was an engine I took off a Honda HRB216 with a busted deck . My bolt holes and mounting bolts lined up perfectly but there are a lot of 160 models & others may not. Been mowing with it for 3 seasons & all is good. The gross torque on the 160 is 6.9 vs 8.3 for the 190; about 20% more. What would the HP be? Not entirely sure but back in the day when mowers were rated by HP, a Honda engine roughly equivalent to the 160 boasted 5.0 HP. So if that is a benchmark, a 190 would be 20% more, or 6.0. Anyway, my smaller 160 is plenty powerful enough to move the heavy HRX217. Wanted to make you aware of this option since you are far more likely to run across a 160 some day,
Damn Bruce, that looks worse than I thought. At first thought it was gonna be a flywheel key or something simple but no. Bad crankshaft wobble could be caused by bad connecting rod bearings due to low on oil. I agree with this. People really need to maintain there stuff and learn from there.
I maybe wrong but I think that mowers with cast iron flywheels do better in thick and tall grass rather than aluminum because aluminum only uses the blade so once you slow it down it makes it easier to kill it than a cast iron flywheel. Is that a fair statement?
I've found it to be true on thick, southern turf grasses. I've got one lie in the video that makes it easy and I've got a Troy-bilt with a GCV160 (W/aluminum flywheel) that doesn't stand a chance in some of the thicker patches.
How's she goin'? That was a death knock sound coming from that mower. Especially when it was stopping. And then when you showed the play in the crank. Wow!! No wonder it was knocking eh. It did well to run as good as it did!! Take care!!
Sorry Bruce the bushing is gone - such a shame - a 2 min oil check and yearly oil change would have avoided this - but good parts will come of it 🙂Thanks for sharing
I have a honda Izy 416 and need to replace the crankshaft. Do you have any videos of stripping down a Honda to replace the crankshaft and reassembling it? No formal training with engines though if I'm shown how to do it I can successfully ❤
Bruce. It started up on the first pull. It can't be the flywheel key. Plus, if the flywheel key was sheared or even partially sheared ithe pull rope would kick back and rip right out your hands
My hrx217hxa this season has gotten worse and worse not cutting all the grass blades even after going 2 different directions! Belt culprit or wax choke piece or cable adjustment or??? Carb replacement was done last year n been on rec gas even before that
I have to use mine almost as much as the 8 and 10mm, on vehicles and bicycle brakes and derailleurs. I keep three on my roll around, and one of those is 10 inches long, one is normal length, and one is ratcheting. I don't know which one I lose the most, the 9 or the 10.
I heard that too but I think it's just a rumor - their website still has 12 different 21" walk behind models for sale. There's is however a recall out for GCV200 engines that have a defect on the camshaft exhaust decompression valve. People have been getting hand injuries from the engine ripping the start cord out of people's hand while attempting to pull the recoil.
Prehistoric Tradactal Sceetors, we have the little black with white stripes little bastard Sceetors, they don't bite me, but they love my wife, she donates blood all the time, poor girl..... Oh and I hate working on Hondas, did you know that... LMAO.
Good mowers should never be wasted on neglectful owners.
It came off a golf course. Lots of hours on it.
Ya know Bruce, I have run across this exact same issue a number of times only on blade brake clutch equipped mowers. Several were Quantums and I think two were Honda engines, all with blade clutch setups. There was so much play in the upper crank bearing that they would shake all over and leak oil from the upper seal, a couple would even strike the magneto coil. I have never run across this problem with standard mower engines or large blade brake engines, only small block blade brake equipped models. I don’t know if the smaller engines with a blade brake clutch need more upper bearing support or maybe they need an actual roller bearing on the upper or what it is, but to me it seems to be a common failure point with the blade brake models. Just my observation FWIW, thanks for the great video and I can’t wait for the autopsy (though I’ve done a few for the same reason). BTW, I just converted those mowers to standard operation without the blade brake using a standard mower engine and pulleys / blade adapter.
Thanks Very good thoughts
I put a GCV160 on the HRX217 deck (had a blown GCV190). It was an engine I took off a Honda HRB216 with a busted deck . My bolt holes and mounting bolts lined up perfectly but there are a lot of 160 models & others may not. Been mowing with it for 3 seasons & all is good. The gross torque on the 160 is 6.9 vs 8.3 for the 190; about 20% more. What would the HP be? Not entirely sure but back in the day when mowers were rated by HP, a Honda engine roughly equivalent to the 160 boasted 5.0 HP. So if that is a benchmark, a 190 would be 20% more, or 6.0. Anyway, my smaller 160 is plenty powerful enough to move the heavy HRX217. Wanted to make you aware of this option since you are far more likely to run across a 160 some day,
Thanks. I do have a Clone 160 out there hmm
Damn Bruce, that looks worse than I thought. At first thought it was gonna be a flywheel key or something simple but no. Bad crankshaft wobble could be caused by bad connecting rod bearings due to low on oil. I agree with this. People really need to maintain there stuff and learn from there.
Thanks so much for watching.
Wow I've never seen one do that before. Thanks for the show brother 🙏
Thanks for watching.
it was quite a machine in it's day.
I maybe wrong but I think that mowers with cast iron flywheels do better in thick and tall grass rather than aluminum because aluminum only uses the blade so once you slow it down it makes it easier to kill it than a cast iron flywheel. Is that a fair statement?
That is a great point.
I've found it to be true on thick, southern turf grasses. I've got one lie in the video that makes it easy and I've got a Troy-bilt with a GCV160 (W/aluminum flywheel) that doesn't stand a chance in some of the thicker patches.
As Henry from Mowers And Blowers would say that thing is DUNSKY !!!!!~
LOL
How's she goin'? That was a death knock sound coming from that mower. Especially when it was stopping. And then when you showed the play in the crank. Wow!! No wonder it was knocking eh. It did well to run as good as it did!! Take care!!
Many have asked if I am going to fix it. No
Sorry Bruce the bushing is gone - such a shame - a 2 min oil check and yearly oil change would have avoided this - but good parts will come of it 🙂Thanks for sharing
Great point! This mower must have 2000 hours on it as I found out out it came from a golf course.
I have a honda Izy 416 and need to replace the crankshaft. Do you have any videos of stripping down a Honda to replace the crankshaft and reassembling it? No formal training with engines though if I'm shown how to do it I can successfully ❤
Sorry I van't help you much
Bruce. It started up on the first pull. It can't be the flywheel key. Plus, if the flywheel key was sheared or even partially sheared ithe pull rope would kick back and rip right out your hands
OK
My hrx217hxa this season has gotten worse and worse not cutting all the grass blades even after going 2 different directions!
Belt culprit or wax choke piece or cable adjustment or???
Carb replacement was done last year n been on rec gas even before that
Sorry I am not there to have a look
Im thinking isn't there just a ballbearing in the end to change , i would remove the seal and look.
Very good point
@@BrucesShop i think beside the bearing , its a good engine . Hope its a bearing you can change and have a good mashine.
Sing it. I think that if he were to split the case, he'd see it's not nearly as bad as it seems.
Good thing Bruce has a ready engine from storage.
I don't think so :-(
Good day Bruce Yea too bad Thanks for video.
Right You can't win them all. I hope I have time for the tear down.
Thank you for the video
Thanks for watching!
That's interesting.
Hope to see you use another motor on it.
Yhere is so much wear on the clutch abd drive a person would be chasing troubled the whole time (I think)
@BrucePender Yeah I guess sometimes knowing when to stop. And with machines of this caliber, repairs get pricey with regards to parts.
Many hours on that baby to cause that type of death rattle situation, rare that we see anything that bad here in Ontario.
Yes You may have heard it came out of a gold course shed.
I replaced the top seal on one of these because oil was everywhere. The Honda part wasn't too costly. There's a bearing underneath the seal.
Right. The engine burns so much oil I think I will part it out. But Thanks.
Is it worth replacing the bushing/ bearing ? Shame really
Well the rings are shot. I am doing another one almost like right now it and just doing the seal. No play in the crankshaft.
Don't you think you should check the oil first before you start the mower
Yes you got me
I hate how the key is tucked underneath! Briggs you know right away if the key is rotated.
I get that. I checked on again today.
Wow should have some great parts on it
Right on
Hope banging on flywheel didn't loosen magnets.
I will check
7:26 a 9mm that may first time that socket was used
That is a strange size all right
The x if I remember correctly stands for Xeon
Thanks
@@BrucesShop you are welcome Mr Pender
That one is a bit of a mess Bruce
I learned iy came off a golf course, thus the many hours on it.
When was the last you used a 9mm anything?
I know right!!!
I have to use mine almost as much as the 8 and 10mm, on vehicles and bicycle brakes and derailleurs. I keep three on my roll around, and one of those is 10 inches long, one is normal length, and one is ratcheting. I don't know which one I lose the most, the 9 or the 10.
I am told Honda is no longer making mowers. Mine is almost 20 years old. Still working.
I heard that too but I think it's just a rumor - their website still has 12 different 21" walk behind models for sale. There's is however a recall out for GCV200 engines that have a defect on the camshaft exhaust decompression valve. People have been getting hand injuries from the engine ripping the start cord out of people's hand while attempting to pull the recoil.
@@milfordcivic6755 thanks for the reply. I would hate to see the Hondas taken off the market.
That is true. September this year.
Wow parts !
You goy it my friend
Yon can not win them all but at least there are plenty of quality spares to be had.
I agree 100%
Ohhh I have to collect my fee.. ok.. deal...
Come on over and pick it up :-)
Prehistoric Tradactal Sceetors, we have the little black with white stripes little bastard Sceetors, they don't bite me, but they love my wife, she donates blood all the time, poor girl..... Oh and I hate working on Hondas, did you know that... LMAO.
I did. They are not number one for me either.
It's what we call in the trade... Not very happy..... Shame .. it's not worth doing is it ...
Thanks for the advice one again sir Mick
7:27 0.030 gap?
10th
Run it till it stops working
I think I m too late.
Pretty bad that Bruce.
I was interested in why it was banging away. Thanks Pete
Looks toast a shame nice mower Bruce.
So pesky Albertan mosquitos! The size of ducks? Geez, I knew they were big, but that’s crazy big. 🦟
I was told 2 million times not to exagerate.
it spells one thing that honda engine is junk
I agree
I sy it's a rod
Thanks
WOW Bruce, nice try Not good!
I tried
Thank you for the video
You're welcome