I have folowed Wray for years. Even built my own wheel. So happy to sort of have him at home and so sorry he is so far and im in sutch a bad shape. If you mr Schelin by chanse would read this i would really like to thank you for all support and inspiration and seldom found Joy you have brought to my late years. Yours truely. Fredrik. Greetings from Sweden
Have been watching you for along time Wray and absolutely enjoy every metal shaping class you show, and yes slow and take your time will always yield consistent results. Cheers Australia
What I can take from todays episode is "Baby Steps " and it makes alot of sense in the broader perspective of panel making...My question is , does all that wheleling make the panel any weaker in density as such
Yes a great video indeed, thank you. I too built my own English wheel and watching you working I can see many advantages to using wide wheels and how you take large steps across the panel when wheeling. Are there any disadvantages to using wider wheels?
After three decades of using my large gray wheel I haven't found any disadvantages yet, using larger top wheels or anvils. I do have a small English wheel for detail work, it has a 2"x 2" top wheel, and the same for the bottom.
I see some vertical waves in the panel because you were cross wheeling on the high crown part. Are there really waves there or is it just an artifact in the finish of the panel? Would your hand feel any waves there? If there were what's the best way of evening everything out?
Interesting, when I watch, I try to imagine what is happening to the metal in terms of three actions; stretch, shrink, and/or bend. With Wray calling the panel "overdeveloped" I imagined some sort of shrinking was in order. It seems that this session was mostly stretching the underdeveloped areas
Shrinking with heat or mechanical shrinking with an Eckold shrinker would have worked, but they leave the metal all marred up. I stretched the edges up to meet the level of the previous overstretched interior of the panel. The stretching only reduced the thickness by an insignificant amount the result will be a perfect panel.
hey Wray, and thanks as always for the videos. can you please tell me, what exactly is happening to the metal when wheeling out the wave? and why wheel at a 45 in that area? cheers.
The metal is being aligned properly so that it fits the buck. The best way to understand what is happening is this example. Take a piece of paper 36" square, set it on a flat bench. Then pinch the paper in the very middle, the whole piece of paper will go absolutely nuts. That proves the point that what is wrong with the panel is really very little, you just need to know where to settle it down on the buck, and the buck tells you what you need to do.
The next video will be out tomorrow but in the video after that we can address this for you. Would it be possible to let us know what time in the video that question is for, just so Wray knows how to answer it properly. Thanks
@@proshaper Thanks for the reply! For instance @15:47 ish. It seems Wray wheels the whole Panel on the shorter side only & up & down with the sharp curve. Except when He did the 45 degrees angle on the Flatter side ( @24:25). I'm no Wray but I'm sure I would of been tempted to wheel the length of the panel on the flatter side section ( & probably would of wrecked it). I hope that is helpful. I'd love to do a course with Wray buy I live in Australia. My old tech teacher was a lot like Wray only English! Great Video Cheers!!
That is a call you have to make on each panel you fix. This one was fixable and it showed a great lesson. We finished part 3 yesterday and to get a buffed close to perfect finish there will be a part four.
@@proshaper True, sheet metal is made by rolling, I would think that after so many workings, something structurally/molecularly would happen to the metal, work harden/plastic, etc?
why didn't you go lengthwise on the curve to bring the panel up on the wire instead of hammering it up and going up and down i am very much beginner on the english wheel
To wheel in the curved section length- ways would require a high-crown wheel which would fix the problem but create another one. The high crown wheel tracks would mar the panel, then you would need to fix them.
I have folowed Wray for years. Even built my own wheel. So happy to sort of have him at home and so sorry he is so far and im in sutch a bad shape. If you mr Schelin by chanse would read this i would really like to thank you for all support and inspiration and seldom found Joy you have brought to my late years. Yours truely. Fredrik. Greetings from Sweden
Thanks!! Hope you feel better soon.
Excellent tutorial, Wray!
Thanks Ron! We should do a collaboration sometime. Let's talk.
Have been watching you for along time Wray and absolutely enjoy every metal shaping class you show, and yes slow and take your time will always yield consistent results. Cheers Australia
Thanks!
My favourite UA-camr and a true master craftsman and teacher. I would love to come to America one day and take your classes.
Great skill in moving metal
Thanks!
Hey Wray, do more videos buddy!
The comedy is really on point! 😂😂
Glad you guys are posting videos again. Take care!
We're glad to be back, thanks for watching!
The best!
Cheers from Vienna
Great info Wray, thanks
Thanks for watching!
Very interesting and enjoyable video thanks Wray.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for the great video!
Thanks for the video.
Appreciate you watching!
What I can take from todays episode is "Baby Steps " and it makes alot of sense in the broader perspective of panel making...My question is , does all that wheleling make the panel any weaker in density as such
You change the panel only a few thousands of and inch, not a factor on this panel.
Yes a great video indeed, thank you. I too built my own English wheel and watching you working I can see many advantages to using wide wheels and how you take large steps across the panel when wheeling. Are there any disadvantages to using wider wheels?
After three decades of using my large gray wheel I haven't found any disadvantages yet, using larger top wheels or anvils. I do have a small English wheel for detail work, it has a 2"x 2" top wheel, and the same for the bottom.
Great stuff
Glad you enjoyed it!
I see some vertical waves in the panel because you were cross wheeling on the high crown part. Are there really waves there or is it just an artifact in the finish of the panel? Would your hand feel any waves there? If there were what's the best way of evening everything out?
Stay tuned watch episode three
Interesting, when I watch, I try to imagine what is happening to the metal in terms of three actions; stretch, shrink, and/or bend. With Wray calling the panel "overdeveloped" I imagined some sort of shrinking was in order. It seems that this session was mostly stretching the underdeveloped areas
Shrinking with heat or mechanical shrinking with an Eckold shrinker would have worked, but they leave the metal all marred up. I stretched the edges up to meet the level of the previous overstretched interior of the panel. The stretching only reduced the thickness by an insignificant amount the result will be a perfect panel.
hey Wray, and thanks as always for the videos. can you please tell me, what exactly is happening to the metal when wheeling out the wave? and why wheel at a 45 in that area? cheers.
The metal is being aligned properly so that it fits the buck. The best way to understand what is happening is this example. Take a piece of paper 36" square, set it on a flat bench. Then pinch the paper in the very middle, the whole piece of paper will go absolutely nuts. That proves the point that what is wrong with the panel is really very little, you just need to know where to settle it down on the buck, and the buck tells you what you need to do.
Great Job Thanks! Could you explain why you didn't wheel horizontally on the side of the panel, in the next video?
The next video will be out tomorrow but in the video after that we can address this for you. Would it be possible to let us know what time in the video that question is for, just so Wray knows how to answer it properly. Thanks
@@proshaper Thanks for the reply! For instance @15:47 ish. It seems Wray wheels the whole Panel on the shorter side only & up & down with the sharp curve. Except when He did the 45 degrees angle on the Flatter side ( @24:25). I'm no Wray but I'm sure I would of been tempted to wheel the length of the panel on the flatter side section ( & probably would of wrecked it). I hope that is helpful. I'd love to do a course with Wray buy I live in Australia. My old tech teacher was a lot like Wray only English! Great Video Cheers!!
Having said that it's probably better if I keep quite & watch! lol.
.when your wheeling and rest your hand on top it gets real close to that big wheel have you ever ran you hand or finger in the wheel ?
I've had a few minor pinches when I wasn't paying attention. It is the same deal as a good cook, you keep your fingers out of the fire.
@@proshaper you are so smooth and comfortable when wheeling it's very impressive , keep up the amazing work
Nice Work. Looks Great. #STAYSAFE
#PHILLYPHILLY 🇺🇸
Part 3 coming up soon.
Thanks Wray 😊
Very welcome
Is aluminum worked the same way?
Wray, Is it easier to start over on the panel than to pick up and finish someone else's work?
That is a call you have to make on each panel you fix. This one was fixable and it showed a great lesson. We finished part 3 yesterday and to get a buffed close to perfect finish there will be a part four.
What happens to the structure of the metal after it has been beaten, and rolled many times?
What happens to clay or dough? Sheet metal is made by lots and lots of rolling.
@@proshaper True, sheet metal is made by rolling, I would think that after so many workings, something structurally/molecularly would happen to the metal, work harden/plastic, etc?
Hahaha 4.5"
That's huge, don't let anyone else tell you otherwise!
@@proshaper😂
why didn't you go lengthwise on the curve to bring the panel up on the wire instead of hammering it up and going up and down i am very much beginner on the english wheel
To wheel in the curved section length- ways would require a high-crown wheel which would fix the problem but create another one. The high crown wheel tracks would mar the panel, then you would need to fix them.