I've heard accounts from people I've known personally how have said that their pastor would tell them when they could go on vacation, how much time they were allowed to spend with their family, and other such things. I also know there are pastors who frown on someone "taking time off," as they may say. But in this video, Jim Vineyard makes a great point, that he only has one family; and in order to maintain a relationship with his family, he has to make time for them.
Regardless of whether or not it will "hold up in court," Jim Vineyard is the one making the claim that Jack Hyles harassed him while under his employment whenever he took vacation. That being the case, I don't have to speak to the man about it. He has said so himself. I reckon the issue you have is more with your view of Jim Vineyard than it is with me.
@@RB15678 Perhaps he shouldn't have said it then. But it's very much like an IFB pastor to say things in the pulpit they don't mean. And then it's very much like an IFB pew-sitter to be an apologist for everything an IFB pastor says, no matter how insane it may be.
@@RB15678 The point is, I'm not slamming anyone. That's your point of view because you can't seem to reconcile what Jim Vineyard said in a public service with what your view is of these men. It really is a problem with your perspective. Jim Vineyard said what he said. You can like it or lump it, as an IFB pastor would say. I don't give a flip what you think about it, as an IFB pastor would say. If he meant something different, he should have used different words, as Jack Hyles used to say from the pulpit. On another note, your hang up on the Steve Anderson thing is amusing. Everything you are saying is so revealing of the culture that I'm glad I'm no longer a part of. The projections, the accusations, the inability to reconcile your cognitive dissidence, all tactics used by IFB pastors to keep people in a fog about reality.
@@IFBPreachers , Jack Hyles Has Said Things I Actually Like, but when you make other comments that are detestable, well, like harassing people? Those are things that words can't comment on, that's not good.
I had an interesting conversation with a relative about people who go to hell because someone failed to witness to them. I replied that I'm glad my salvation didn't totter on whether some soul winner had a bad day and forgot to witness to me. It was in the mighty hand of God, who would not cease to do whatever was necessary to bring me to Himself. How many families were destroyed by Hyles' philosophies only the Lord knows.
Well, one can share the gospel with people one encounters while on vacation if nothing else. That preacher's right about spouses needing some quality time with each other.
I agree with him that it's good and right to take a vacation with your family. But I think a better, more humble way of putting it would be to point out that God doesn't need Jim Vineyard to save people from hell. Just as he only one wife and one of each child, they only have one husband and father, whereas there are many people to spread the Gospel to the world. It's not going to go to hell just because one pastor spends time with his family, which is part of his God-given responsibility anyway. If someone tried that on me, I would be challenging their high view of man and their low view of God.
Wow. All preachers are guilty of saying dumb things. But this guy shouldn't be allowed behind even the most liberal pulpit. To lightly speak of Hell and the world can go there as far as he's concerned, that's something an unsaved man would say. Again, wow.
That's not the only thing that shouldn't have come out of his mouth. We grew up in his church. It was another that covered up for ppls sins and crimes just like the church he came from.
I applaud him standing up to Hyles but I’m a bit concerned with his apathy towards the world. Probably because of the unyielding standards of the IFB. He is totally right about spending time with his family. I work in the culinary industry and a lot of cooks and chefs get divorced because they aren’t spending much time with their families.
Jim Vineyard had no filter. And sometimes that wasn’t in his favor. Obviously, I probably would have worded this differently, but can’t say as I disagree with him this time.
Interesting. First, Jesus builds his church, not the pastor. The pastor as a Christian should be a faithful witness, to his family first and then the world. The church building is not the church. I have respect for this man's position, but how he could work with someone like Hyles is difficult to understand. Even if he agreed with the bad theology, someone trying to pressure and control you in this way is problematic to say the least.
And many pastors were encouraged and tried to emulate Jack Hyles. He had the ear of thousands of pastors and by extension, tens of thousand of Christians across America and the world. I can see a pastor hear about how Jack Hyles tried to pressure staff not to take vacations and think that's how you need to act. I've heard stories from others about their pastors trying to shame them into behaviors that the pastor wanted, and it's hearing how Jack Hyles handled things that encouraged many a pastor to act that way.
@@IFBPreachers Right! Unfortunately, when a man's name is associated with a 'church', it usually isn't Jesus' church, and it doesn't follow his instructions, but has it's own. The dear people of fundamentalism are blinded, and behave just like Catholics, despite having a solid Bible right in their lap. I am glad this pastor pushed back regarding his vacation and family time, but that wasn't the only thing he needed to address. Americans have been conditioned to think large group evangelistic efforts are good. In my estimation, they are not growth, they are the bloat of a carcass. Jesus turned the world upside down with 12 men, and later what most men of God today would call a small work of 120 people. The power was in faithful obedience to God's Word, not traditions, preferences, or as in Hyles' case, manipulations.
I've heard accounts from people I've known personally how have said that their pastor would tell them when they could go on vacation, how much time they were allowed to spend with their family, and other such things. I also know there are pastors who frown on someone "taking time off," as they may say. But in this video, Jim Vineyard makes a great point, that he only has one family; and in order to maintain a relationship with his family, he has to make time for them.
Regardless of whether or not it will "hold up in court," Jim Vineyard is the one making the claim that Jack Hyles harassed him while under his employment whenever he took vacation. That being the case, I don't have to speak to the man about it. He has said so himself. I reckon the issue you have is more with your view of Jim Vineyard than it is with me.
@@RB15678 Perhaps he shouldn't have said it then. But it's very much like an IFB pastor to say things in the pulpit they don't mean. And then it's very much like an IFB pew-sitter to be an apologist for everything an IFB pastor says, no matter how insane it may be.
@@RB15678 The point is, I'm not slamming anyone. That's your point of view because you can't seem to reconcile what Jim Vineyard said in a public service with what your view is of these men. It really is a problem with your perspective.
Jim Vineyard said what he said. You can like it or lump it, as an IFB pastor would say. I don't give a flip what you think about it, as an IFB pastor would say. If he meant something different, he should have used different words, as Jack Hyles used to say from the pulpit.
On another note, your hang up on the Steve Anderson thing is amusing. Everything you are saying is so revealing of the culture that I'm glad I'm no longer a part of. The projections, the accusations, the inability to reconcile your cognitive dissidence, all tactics used by IFB pastors to keep people in a fog about reality.
@RB15678 Always fun when people delete the things they've posted, be it comments or videos.
@@IFBPreachers , Jack Hyles Has Said Things I Actually Like, but when you make other comments that are detestable, well, like harassing people? Those are things that words can't comment on, that's not good.
I had an interesting conversation with a relative about people who go to hell because someone failed to witness to them. I replied that I'm glad my salvation didn't totter on whether some soul winner had a bad day and forgot to witness to me. It was in the mighty hand of God, who would not cease to do whatever was necessary to bring me to Himself. How many families were destroyed by Hyles' philosophies only the Lord knows.
How did you hear about Christ? Did someone tell you?
What a bro!!!! Standing up against Jack was tough to do!!!!
Maybe if Jack took a vacation, his family would have turned out better...here's looking at you Dave.
Its sad how the ifb culture puts so much pressure on people, like they alone are responsible for keeping people out of hell.
Well, one can share the gospel with people one encounters while on vacation if nothing else. That preacher's right about spouses needing some quality time with each other.
Heck yes, love this!
I agree with him that it's good and right to take a vacation with your family. But I think a better, more humble way of putting it would be to point out that God doesn't need Jim Vineyard to save people from hell. Just as he only one wife and one of each child, they only have one husband and father, whereas there are many people to spread the Gospel to the world. It's not going to go to hell just because one pastor spends time with his family, which is part of his God-given responsibility anyway. If someone tried that on me, I would be challenging their high view of man and their low view of God.
Wow. All preachers are guilty of saying dumb things. But this guy shouldn't be allowed behind even the most liberal pulpit.
To lightly speak of Hell and the world can go there as far as he's concerned, that's something an unsaved man would say.
Again, wow.
That's not the only thing that shouldn't have come out of his mouth. We grew up in his church. It was another that covered up for ppls sins and crimes just like the church he came from.
I get what he’s saying. I think he could have worded it better. He’s not wrong.
I applaud him standing up to Hyles but I’m a bit concerned with his apathy towards the world. Probably because of the unyielding standards of the IFB. He is totally right about spending time with his family. I work in the culinary industry and a lot of cooks and chefs get divorced because they aren’t spending much time with their families.
Hes lying through his teeth. He knows full well if he'd have told Hyles that, he'd be kicking rocks that very second.
Jim Vineyard had no filter. And sometimes that wasn’t in his favor. Obviously, I probably would have worded this differently, but can’t say as I disagree with him this time.
Interesting. First, Jesus builds his church, not the pastor. The pastor as a Christian should be a faithful witness, to his family first and then the world. The church building is not the church. I have respect for this man's position, but how he could work with someone like Hyles is difficult to understand. Even if he agreed with the bad theology, someone trying to pressure and control you in this way is problematic to say the least.
And many pastors were encouraged and tried to emulate Jack Hyles. He had the ear of thousands of pastors and by extension, tens of thousand of Christians across America and the world. I can see a pastor hear about how Jack Hyles tried to pressure staff not to take vacations and think that's how you need to act. I've heard stories from others about their pastors trying to shame them into behaviors that the pastor wanted, and it's hearing how Jack Hyles handled things that encouraged many a pastor to act that way.
@@IFBPreachers Right! Unfortunately, when a man's name is associated with a 'church', it usually isn't Jesus' church, and it doesn't follow his instructions, but has it's own. The dear people of fundamentalism are blinded, and behave just like Catholics, despite having a solid Bible right in their lap. I am glad this pastor pushed back regarding his vacation and family time, but that wasn't the only thing he needed to address. Americans have been conditioned to think large group evangelistic efforts are good. In my estimation, they are not growth, they are the bloat of a carcass. Jesus turned the world upside down with 12 men, and later what most men of God today would call a small work of 120 people. The power was in faithful obedience to God's Word, not traditions, preferences, or as in Hyles' case, manipulations.
Hey Like this guy he has a point tho.
100%. It's interesting to hear of pastors who try to shame folks out of time with their families.
@IFBPreachers he did it. It was OK for him and his family to have a vacation. But when my family wanted one it wasn't approved
Jim’s got jokes. Where do these weirdos come from?