How the US Navy went from 6,700 Ships to just 300
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Everyone would agree that an 80% weight loss is unhealthy. Well, that's what happened to the US Navy in the late 1940s, which almost killed the Navy. But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and this, is #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
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Car Chase - Hampus Naeselius
No Going Back - Wendel Scherer
Connection - Aerian
Rise from the Ashes - Sam Shore
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Truman:sinks the navy
Also truman:Naval blockade north korea
The navy:we cant do that
Truman:*Surprised Pikachu Face"
lol
also they name the first completed super carrier after someone that he replace.
this is the biggest i told you so moment.
I think this is a bit deceptive. The US navy had 6700 ships during WW2 by counting a ludicrous amount of wartime mobilization, including armed transport and landing ships, patrol boats, and so on that were built to sustain a commerce war and vast amphibious invasions.
Even after shedding all of that, it was still a force of 600+ warships and a half million men at a time when the economy badly needed to demobilize and reorient to the Civilian sector.
Was it mistake to cut so far? Maybe. But only with the benefit of hindsight and ignoring the fact that the public probably wouldn't have been on board supporting a 1000+ ship and million man amphibious force between 1945 and the early 50s.
@@Bustermachine The Sec. of Defense Louis A. Johnson wanted like Truman to dismantle the Marine corps, as also most of the naval air force in the Marine corp and the Navy, they both were sponsoring too much the newly created US Air force, they even sell and dismantled most of 60% of all US Army arsenal and reserves so...
When the Korean war broke out... Truman realized... He fked up!
Almost not enough tanks, not enough soldiers to send... And the Navy was limited...
US Navy: I lost 80% of my fleet
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Royal Navy: First Time?
Lmao 😂😂😂
is true tho-
US Navy: Yeah, but at least ours weren't sunk...
Tragic that every single British battleship was sunk.
IJN: well what navy my navy is basically gone
I Just forgot that every friday we get long vids, cheers NWYT!
Cheers Zade!
@@NotWhatYouThink awesome 😎 I do luv me some USA naval history
@@greziakoply9555 I much prefer learning about the USN than seeing that app.
I’m trying to figure out y these bots are here
I mean it’s pretty random
same
My Dad enlisted in the USN as a teenager in 1947. One of his first posts was in Sasebo disposing of surplus naval war assets by preparing them for sinking in the Pacific. His stories of the countless tons of top line, often unused, equipment and tools sent to the bottom was mind boggling.
I don't understand, why didn't they just sell it to their allies?
@@hakeemzahardi9207 As I understood my Dad, the contractors who built most of that war material had agreements with the US never to bring it into the US or sell it. It had to be disposed of to prevent market flooding. They didn't want demand to vanish.
Brian W, my father was a lieutenant commander in the U.S. Navy Seabees (construction battalions) and provided engineering support for the U.S. Marines from 1941 through the end of the war. After the war ended in September 1945, he remained in the Pacific for over another year helping to administer the disposition of massive amounts of construction equipment and other military assets of the Navy, Marine Corps and Army in the western Pacific. Most of the construction equipment was sold to our allies, like Australia and New Zealand, etc., for pennies on the dollar of its original production cost, and after all cash buyers' demand was exhausted, we gave a great deal of it away to countries like Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, etc., if they could arrange for transport. Many of these southeast Asian countries desperately needed it to rebuild their devastated and often rudimentary infrastructure.
My father also witnessed brand-new fighter aircraft like Corsairs and Hellcats being pushed off aircraft carriers into the water to make room for home-bound U.S. servicemen after the war ended. Many of these piston-engine aircraft were quickly outclassed by new jet technology, and none of the countries who might have used our piston-engine fighters could afford to operate them. In the immediate aftermath of the war, most Asian countries were more concerned about basic food production and sanitation rather than building big, powerful military organizations.
@@egosumhomovespertilionem We lived in RI. I will always remember that huge bee at the entrance of Quonset Point Naval Base with that wrench in his grip. The Seabees were an awesome group of patriots, building structures all over the world, sometime while under fire. Here's to your Dad.
@@hakeemzahardi9207 The US did actually sell or donate a lot of ships to other nations after the war, it's just hard to underscore the mind boggling number of ships that were built. Not only that, there was the simply challenge of maintaining the larger vessels which were totally unsuitable to both the needs and means for smaller and poorer allied nations.
4:06 Liked the way he didn't shake his hand with Truman 😂
😂
I saw and was just about to post that, had to scroll down and check first 🤣
damn these chicks really love you
@@girl-xk2db Lmfao
Yea. I found it appropriate, yet disrespectful.
Naming the carrier USS Forrestal is such a salty comeback from the Navy.
That ship was such a piece of junk by the 80s so was it's sister ship the Saratoga. Both were in dry dock for repairs more than they out at sea.
Why a salty comeback? Can you explain? I dont know about the topic😅
@@lucaberger8344 i think its because it sounds very similar to "forestall" which is what johnson did to the navy
@@lucaberger8344 Secretary of the US navy forestall was fired because he went against Harry Trumans defense policy
named the carrier Forestall as a comeback to the defense policy
was that the SAME U.S.S. Forrestal that John McCain had a part in " damaging ' during the Vietnam war ?
4:06 This is probably the most awkward handshake in the century
555
I mean at the time the thinking was
"what about land warfare?"
USAF: "nukes"
"what about sea warfare?"
USAF: "nukes"
"What about under sea warfare?"
Us navy: "Nukes."
@jack petty way more contained contamination than any in-flight or land use though
“How about air to air warfare?”
nukes
@Aurasphere121 Air-2 Genie apparently. Didn't know it existed.
1.5kt warhead, deployed by USA and Canada. 3000 were made.
Ah, the USS Forrestal CVA-59. My home for the better part of four years.
Mind If I ask how it was?
I was right around the corner on the Saratoga CV60
Maybe a video on the USN during the civil war? Seems like a forgotten topic. Great video as always!
I can’t imagine he’d be able to find much footage for that lol
Apparently this topic was a such a good idea that it brought porno bots
@@jerrell1169 pictures!
When CVN-75's name was changed prior to commissioning, it was said to be the second time Truman sank the United States.
Correct. We also talked about it in one of our videos about ship naming conventions.
Attacking Russia with carriers means approaching slowly from the south giving ample time to react. Sending bombers over the North Pole gave (at least in the late 40s and 50s) half a chance of surprising them.
Not exactly. Russia can’t really do much to get to carriers. They can have some time to build up and chill.
For WW3, carriers will be as useless as battleships were for WW2. For WW3, the US has nuclear missile submarines sitting off the coast of Russia and the Russians have nuclear missile submarines sitting off the coast of the United States. When WW3 starts, it'll be over in less than an hour. So, deal with it.
@@MaximGhost yeah. I'm debating with myself over the efficiency/usefulness of land units, for big countries with no worries about borders at least, like USA. Unless it's a small scaled war, everyone's going to die within a few minutes after the nuclear missiles explode.
@@MaximGhost well no because usa and Russia are not gonna use nuclear bomb unless they where losing like Germany in 1945 but North Korea will launch nukes as soon as it starts and get obliterated and also nato will invade Russia and China will invade India but probably fail but then u have south Korea,Japan and Australia which will most likely invade China but yeah Russia and America singed a paper promising on limiting the use of nuclear weapons which it only take 100 nukes to end humanity so yeah we are fucked if ww3 starts
@@slycer876 Russia is a close ally of India, it would be India being invaded by China then Russia and India fighting back.
Im astounded at the American obsession with starting every conflict at a disadvantage because of internal politics. The adaptability and independence of the US armed forces has always been its saving grace, and a sufficient counterbalance. I worry now of the fusion of top brass and politics though, I don't think we've ever had the DoD and Generalship so integrated with partisan politics before.
"War is a racket" - Smedley D. Butler, most decorated soldier of US military
What makes you think the DOD is more intertwined with partisan politics now? Not arguing you’re wrong just interested in knowing what makes you think that, idk that much about it
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 i’d say it’s the politicians that are the most partisan but the problem is that war and politics are basically one and the same so idk if it really has changed all that much since the 60s
@@octagonPerfectionist yeah idk I mean I know that the military will obv trend towards the side that provides them funding and sometimes (big sometimes) will support war, but both sides do both of those things so I never thought it was too partisan
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 perhaps it’s because politics in general have practically never been so partisan in america (civil war excluded) and stuff is just getting more polarized everywhere
I thought this was going to be about that period in the 90’s when the Navy had no money.
Tf
I hope we don't do something stupid as sinking our own navy ever again.
You haven't been paying attention to the last year then have you? The government has done very dumb stuff
President: Hey navy go get em.
Navy: nah we can't.
President: GO GET THEM!
Navy: WELL THEN GIVE US SOME DAMN MONEY!!!
Video in a nutshell
Makes me proud to be in the Navy knowing this little bit of our history
Ok
Whats the navy like?
@@awhahoo it's both shit and great at the same time
What are you working as?
@@bonkrood4629 I'm an ABH
Harry Truman and his ilk (D), in all of their wisdom, someone else beside the US having a A-bomb and means capable of delivering it's payload to North America, clearly did not occur to them. Mind process for scientific studies :P
Most Americans don't understand that our Constitution REQUIRES that Congress provide for a Navy, but only allows an "Army" for 'only' 2 years max.
Hence the reason every 2 years we have a 'Defense Reauthorization Act'...
Just because you have the biggest bang for your buck doesn't mean you automatically win. Forrestal had a more better idea of this and the navy liked him so much they named the first supercarrier after him lmao
I mean the Navy is the second largest air force ever in the world, so it’s still a force to be feared
ah yes,using a submarine to protect the skies
Heli carrier:😏
Even today, Navies are seen as a greater symbol of power. The more ships a country has the more powerful they are for the eyes of people.
I cant ever imagine a modern naval war. the last naval battle ever fought is on leyte gulf philippines.
Well you have around the time of Desert storm, when the Iraqi navy got nearly completely decimated.
In 2021, the Chinese navy overtook the US navy for the largest navy in the world. With the most hulls. The median size of the ships are smaller
Without air supremacy and tons of deck armor though those boats are just targets. The US recently did a moving target upgrade to bolt-on guidance package to the existing stockpile of hundreds of thousands of cheap but very effective GP gravity bombs -- the whole fleet could be sunk a dozen times over and there'd still be plenty of ordnance left.
Like honestly what did Truman think would happen? That was such a dumb decision and it was so stubborn of him to not listen to the generals. Good thing we don’t do dumb decisions like that anymore
*retires the F-14 Tomcat with its AIM-54 Phoenix prematurely for financial reasons as well as most of the air wings on the aircraft carriers*
*cancels AIM-152 cause we didn’t need a super long range missile*
*cancels development of hypersonic weapons because we didn’t need it*
*reduces production run of F-22 Raptors and B-2 bombers because we didn’t need such capable aircrafts*
*cancels production run of Seawolf class because we don’t need it*
*neglects anti submarine warfare capabilities because we don’t need to focus on that anymore*
SMH. The WORST thing to happen to the US armed forces is victory. We get too lazy.
Thank God they didn’t cancel the F-35 or else our butts would have been screwed.
"The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli."
Bro wtf happened with all these bots
@@adrianfernandez3723 some are those dock for retirement or salvageable for scrap tho sad to be honest
@@imperiumgrim4717 nah man i meant like three of those fake youtube sexy bots replied to this guy for some reason
@@adrianfernandez3723 oh
"Who needs a military, when you can just solve your problems with enough nukes?" - Truman, probably
The people who misread it *Rise and Fall* of US Navy on the first attempt,
👇👇*Attendence here*
A very well researched piece. Thank you.
Glad to know that my country and its conflict contributed in a small way to the current US navy!
UA-cam is too busy removing the dislike button while spam bots roam free
Wtf man
@@cybersentient4758 their priorities are : YeAh LeTs ReMovE tHe DisLikE buTTon bEcaUse wE gOt a LoT oF DisLikes on The RewiNd
Meanwhile they’re like : o we are getting a lot of reports if spam , nvm they are not important
@@joshelito1460 ah yes, totally not a corporation tidying up their image
@@cybersentient4758 by destroying their usability
@@cybersentient4758 you know it's December right
**UA-cam Rewind 2021 incoming**
In the end, the only thing that matters in the US Gov't is money. Like how much money are you lining the pockets of congressman and senators with? In America, regardless of the situation, it is always about money. Everything else is trivial. Money is the cornerstone of our way of life...and it's kind of sad.
But the USA navy can give ten times the response than in the 40s. Yes the size of the USA navy is unhealthy. But the educating on crt over action stations and combat out weigh in the fall of the navy.
CRT is a cancer that needs to go
CRT is unironically more important than the navy
@@ridwan552 Pretty sad thing
Most people don’t even know what CRT actually is
wtf is CRT? First things I found is an article about pacemacers, second result was about critical race theory and I kind of doubt thats what you were talking about xD
Pls help I am confused
Could you do one of these for the Royal Navy? 🇬🇧
May have to wait a while for that. Still working on my British accent 😁
@@NotWhatYouThink Awesome! 🙂
No matter what happens america still lost a 20 year long war to taliban 😂😂😂😂
didn't lose lol we kicked their ass we just left
Goes to show that politics always mesh up a good thing.
4:05 failed handshake 😂😂😂
Honestly. Your ships are carrying too much. Faster, smaller, lighter and more lethality should be the goal.
Missiles and jets would always be faster than ships so what's the point?
@@Българиянадвсичко-с9ж that's what the post-WW2 mistake was about - thinking that firepower can win the war alone.
So basically the korean war could have been won if they just had a proper navy
I have respects to the US military.
Getting banged not just on the front but also their backs by their own leaders.
Yet still do the dam job.
A survivor of the past when everything was in desperation.
4:06 golden moment 😂😂😂
Me accidentally read it as “RAISE AND FALL”😅
It's always a good day when NWYT uploads
Thanks @british cow
Worth mentioning that Forrestal was Undersecretary of the Navy and later SecNav actually during WW2, and was a huge figure in Naval Aviation, so his getting cut was a huge gutpunch to NavAir. A carrier would later be named after him. Also, CVs and CAs were the only thing that prevented marines and soldiers from getting completely enveloped and destroyed during the Chinese surprise attack across the Yalu, and they were able to successfully evacuate UN forces while the USAF had to withdraw B-29s due to high loss rates. Johnson's botch with the B-36 ironically ensured the carrier's predominance for many years, even sinking the excellent P-6M that his own company made as a viable replacement to the CV.
Next can you do french navy ,Spanish navy or British navy once they were one of the best navies in the world
Dutch navy
Mongolian navy
1 British 2 French n he 3 Spanish now is U.S
I'm proud to wear the same uniform so many sailors long ago have worn
I enjoyed the video, it's the best
Absolutely LOVE the longer videos!!!
Love the videos man!
🥉
Can you do a video on Polish aircraft from the inter-war period?
poland bad
@@dominien6487 not as bad as being alive
@@weirdstuff_tm8942 not a legitimate state
Well researched great video !!
Who needs Social Studies and History lessons when we got 'Not What You Think'?
So maybe, if the the US had had better resources at the time. We maybe wouldn't have a North Korea problem today?
Truman should've succeeded im his defense reform
I think the Navy is the most important Branch of the US military.
It's certainly the most strategic, there's a reason a US supercarrier gets dubbed "90000 tons of diplomacy"
Before WW2 we were a sleeping giant under a great depression, and then, the enemy hit us, and we rose to a giant war machine.
04:08 yep…not awkward at all.
The Fall and Rise of The US Navy... and the current fall of the US Navy...
What’s happening now?
@@hueyrosayaga bit late, I know.
Some people claim it's due to something revolved around training (which has some truth), others claim it's due to our aging shipyards which cause ship repairs, maintenance, and building to be delayed quite a bit.
It still isn't anywhere near as bad as the situation was post World War 2, but it's substantial enough that it could degrade the U.S.'s current naval capabilities to a noticable degree.
What lessons learned? After the Cold War ended we gutted our military and significantly reduced upgrading and investing in our military. Now Russia, China, and other countries are rapidly closing the gap while we're playing catch up, again.
Barely a catch up tho
@@imperiumgrim4717 don't underestimate our ability to pull a rabbit out of a hat. True, had we kept up at least our R&D during the 90's and early 2000's we wouldn't be in this position.
You should make a full length video playlist
Will do!
Done 😉
Interesting, didn't think about this interservice rivalry in the context of the Cold War
can you do a video on the Horten Ho-229?
Anytime someone is so damn sure their way of thinking is the only correct way of thinking. Especially when it concerns something as complex and with as many variables as war, do the opposite.
The Air Force still didn't learn they're lesson. The F4 phantom in Nam Started out without any guns. The thought being, dog fighting was a relic of WW2 and with missiles there wouldn't be a need to build planes with machine guns. They were wrong once again, and had to retool the design. It also cost many lives
Well, they were right, just not yet. Which sums up a good chunk of military mistakes, because it's hard to be sure what combat will look like or what the primary factors will be two decades away. They thought the missile technology would be good enough in the 60s, which was wrong, but now no one has had a fighter-on-fighter guns dogfight since the early 80s. Ironically, we may have the wrong lesson now, because the F-35 and F-22 both have guns taking up valuable space and weight despite otherwise being designed to engage at tens of kilometers.
@@westrim
See you said it perfectly ... we don't know. And that's exactly how they should plan, by saying we don't know. The enemy knows our platforms and doctrine is optimized for standoff. So they're plans will to try and get in close. That's why you still should have close in weapons. Over the horizon is best case, always plan for worse case
@@westrim man we haven't fought a
near peer since WW2. Just like we need to have contingencies in place in case our GPS communication satellites are targeted and taken out.
They were actually right about that even then, the reason dog fights still happened was due to domestic politics making it so pilots had to visually identify their targets as enemies before engaging them, which obviously makes dogfights inevitable, regardless of technology
Oh this was posted like 19 seconds ago
Given the way Truman handled our force reduction, maybe we were fortunate he had the atom bomb on deck and he just had to decide whether or not to use it. It doesn’t appear he would have done a good job as commander in chief if instead there was an Allied invasion. Asking for Johnson’s resignation does seem like he was good at drawing on his experience as a cheap suit salesman. I never cared for Truman, I always thought he was a shifty character that shouldn’t have been the heartbeat away.
My friend is going to the navy in around a month! Wish him luck!
No
Good luck to your friend
I wish him the best of luck!!
@@hueyrosayaga thank you! He needs all the support he can get
@@rinranrou17 thank you :)
War is business ;P
1:32 who is the guy in the center any one have info
well- China has the most ships tho... 😳
nice.. one of the best vids
Not what you think is not what they thought
What caused it to shrink so much so quickly? My sarcastic guess is US congress tradition.
I was hoping against hope that this would have been about the USN doing the same thing in the later 1800s. (at the end of the US Civil War the USN actually had more hulls in the water than the RN did.... this is by no means to say it was more powerful, simply more hulls in the water... and on slipways as was the practice to almost launch a ship, but keep it sitting until you really really really needed to launch it)
And if it was about the first time this happened to the American navy, it would be 100% since congress basically canceled the navy at the beginning of the US as a nation, only to go "Oh shit, the brits aren't protecting us anymore are they.... well F--k."
Anyways, carry on.
"War is a racket" - Major General, Marine Corps, Smedley D. Butler
Awesome 😎
4:57 now i know where the iphone notch came from
This is what I call a 🥇video!
What basically happened is Truman relied too much on the Atom bombs not thinking about the fallout I guess, but it was pretty reasonable to decrease the number of naval assets cause expenses and such although what he did was a bit overkill instead he should've kept about half of the ww2 fleet and sold the others instead as surplus or in a lend lease act.
Truman wanted to use Atomic bomb on North Korea, but rest of the Generals, Admirals and Engineers told him not to, there are infact rumors that Truman wanted to drop atomic bomb but the military disobeyed his orders, same with Nixon he wanted to drop a nuke on Vietnam but a lot of people said no one would let you do that.
St. George's Day of 1949 seemed quite significant in naval history.
So, you are saying that America has faced even worst President than Brandon?
Don't you have some capitols to insurrect while drinking your coors lights?
@@johnjingleheimersmith9259 No, they’re too busy getting their buddy acquitted for a mass shooting
Truman was over his head in matters of geopolitics, and it's really indicative of just how divorced from reality so many modern American historians and political scientists are that they rate Truman among our greatest presidents. Truman was an intellectual and political lightweight, and the only reason he was able to preside over America's World War II victory was Roosevelt had already put all of the winning pieces in motion, and FDR left Truman with a remarkable supporting cast, including George Marshall, Dwight Eisenhower, Chester Nimitz and Douglas MacArthur. Had Truman been in charge in 1940-41, we might all be speaking German or Japanese, and the world would be a very different place today.
Corruption in politics is ageless... despicable
Love u bro keep up the great content
Pootis ships.
@@keirania__4759 jesus christ wtf is this. Im no simp and why tha fuck did you target me, DISGUSTING!
Fall? You mean our navy fell?
105 of those ships in WW2 were aircraft carriers
4:07 is awkward 😐
Good info to know it
#navyissinking lol
RIP to my favorite battleship California 😞
Like 269!
You “like to 69”?
TMI bro!
Also, who doesn’t? 😜
I meant I was like 269 on this video
First like!
cool vid
This video will get a lot of views with the name alone. Great video, it wasn't what i thought it was gonna be lol.
this is the most clickbait title ever
Love your videos keep up the great work!
wow the title changed from fall and rise of the us navy to how the us navy lost 80% of its fleet and i just woken up, so i thought i must be in some kind of alt universe travelling at this point
it takes trial an error to figure out the correct title and thumbnail, that's why we keep switching it
@@NotWhatYouThink ok thanks not expecting the title changed, almost thought you released 3 videos today
US Navy: We need money
Truman: nukes
US Navy: it's for the sake of our country
Truman: Nukes
( North Korea invades South Korea)
Truman: We need your ship
US Navy: Nukes
Ships 😋
Will the USMC stay the USMC the world knows and respects with the ideological forced inclusion of women in Infantry and basic training? Then throw in the grudge formenting devisiviness of critical race theory on young, impressionable personnel. How can you fight for a country that CRT says hates you? How can male Infantry focus on advancing to close-in insane close in quarters combat when they have their sisters right by their side? 20 year old in shape females are already the biggest possible distraction to men....what possibly could go wrong? On don't tell me this is a leadership challenge. Our Platoon leaders and NCO's are not God.
4:06 he did wanna to shake hands