CANON R3 VS CANON C70 | Dynamic Range, Slow Motion, Autofocus, and Overheating
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- In this video I compare the Canon EOS R3 to the Canon C70. I cover image quality, dynamic range, slow motion, autofocus, and overheating.
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I'm sold ! Thanks Griffin!
This is ONE OF THE BEST Channels on UA-cam.
Thank you so much Keith!
I so agree
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I hit the like button before watching. I’m happy that you took our suggestions/requests to make this video!
Been waiting for this video!
Another great video Griffin! Love the real-world testing and your honest thoughts as a professional
Criminally underrated channel
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@@GriffinConway let’s both aim a bit higher 😉🙌🏼
I've noticed the same things with my R3 and C70, both imagine quality and autofocus wise. I really dislike the C70 autofocus in lowlight tho, I can never trust it there sadly. R3 can focus much better in lowlight situations which is really helpful (for example on a gimbal, lowlight dance for a wedding). I need to do more tests myself, but you can tune the R3 autofocus to not be so jumpy going to the next possible thing to focus on. I'm also really interested to see how well that Tascam XLR module for the R3 works and compares with the mini XLR's on the C70. Pro's and Con's with both cameras, love the vids Griffin, keep em up!
Thank you! I am very interested in the tascam module as well and plan to order as soon as it is available. I agree with the c70 AF in lowlight it is not the best. I tried tuning the responsiveness down in the R3 and it helped some for sure.
@@GriffinConway Definitely! I just Pre-ordered the Tascam on B&H.. just randomly showed up!
Great video! really wanting an R3, can't wait for more R3 videos like this to help me decide!
Thanks Griffin, I always enjoy your objective and informative video content!
I just got word from my camera shop, my R3 just came arrived!!! This completes my trio. The c70, R5, and now R3. Cant wait to start pitting these three cameras against each other!!! Thanks Griffon, from my channel “Power of Drew,” to yours. Happy holidays.
Dude your killing these videos keep up the great work!!
Bought your luts recently! Nice content love it
What up GC? Great video fam. Keep killin' it.
Thanks for this! I seem to like my C-70 more and more. I have an R-5 that I love for motorcycle travel vids, but I have even been using my C-70 over my Komodo 9 out of 10 times for B roll. In my latest video, I had to use the C-70 at the end because the R-5 overheated in regular 4k. C-70 to the rescue and I’m kinda liking the footage better. C-70 at the end if you feel like watching.
Awesome work dude! i just wanna say that you obviously being a serious working filmmaker, and not posing as a filmmaker for youtube but actually being in the business gives you a lot of credibility in my book, when listening to you talk about the c70, and that also keeps me inspired in working and keeping up my own newly started filmmaking/photography business. All in all keep up the good work!
Thanks so much Anders! Really appreciate the kind words. Seriously means a lot to me. 🙌🙌
I ditto that
Please keep doing videos! Your channels gonna blow up bro! You're offering content no one else is offering. I immediately click whenever I see a new video keep it up!!!
Great comparison! Would love to see more of the R3 and how the non-raw footage compare to the C70's.
Same - our biggest interest right here as the work flow around raw doesn't make it a logical choice for the majority of our projects.
You deserve much more bro, honestly impressed with your review quality.
Another great comparison! Thank you!
Awesome test! Thanks!
Nice job man appreciate the information. I'm a C70 owner so its good to know the R3 won't be replacing it totally.
Great job, Griffin. Thanks for this. Got a R3 on order. Think it'll be a good fit for me and the C70. It will mainly replace my 1DX II.
Good comparison, thanks for doing the tests!
Thanks a lot Scott! How are you liking the C70 these days?
@@GriffinConway Overall, it's great. I've put it through some wet conditions for shooting this fall and it seems to be running happily. I am starting to have the LCD screen issue and debating when I should ship it to Canon to get it fixed. It's not floppy yet but clicking. I'd also really like to see them provide view assist over HDMI when you are in review mode. I love using it when shooting but as soon as I go to review I have to turn on the LUT on my monitor which is a silly step in my workflow.
@@ScottBell totally agree on the lut when reviewing footage. It’s embarrassing when you are with a client and have to explain why it “looks all gray”. I had the screen hinge issue and sent it in and they fixed it in a few days and it’s great now
@@GriffinConway Yeah, I end up switching my LUT on and off on the Shinobi when reviewing. I like the look of the footage with the in-camera view assist more than the Canon LUT (not sure why they don't perfectly match) which is why I don't just leave the Shinobi LUT on all the time. How bad was your screen hinge when you sent it in? I don't want them to think mine isn't broken or something and not fix it. It's definitely on it's way but maybe I need it to be more broken first haha.
Thanks for the video! Feeling better about my choice of c70 ;) That being said, I would love to see an R3 vs R5 RAW!
I think this will be coming to the channel for sure! The company I work with has the R5 so I will be testing that
Thanks for the video comparison. Love it.
Awesome comparison. I subscribed. Thank you for your time. God bless you brother.
Once again you created a video that answers the real life questions that people have. 👌👍🏿🙌✌️
Much thanks for your great effort with a very in depth comparison!
I don't have too much of a choice, as the place where I'm shooting has crazy weather and whatever I buy must be weather sealed...
I'll just have to live with the other drawbacks. With enough RAM on the computer, file size isn't as much of a problem as it could otherwise be...
I love using various levels of slow motion, so the R3 should be great for that.
Such a solid video Griff! I recently shot a project on the R3 and loved it. I agree that the C70 is a better cam for video. That said, I think I would go for the R3 because it fits a better need in my workflow than the C70 at the moment.
Thanks Tyler! Ya the R3 is great for your work and complements the komodo perfectly. Actually I bet the R3 raw would match really well with the komodo files
Having an R6,R5 and two C70’s I’ve felt the same about autofocus. I really really don’t like how they feel when it comes to that. I love the way whole area works on the C70. That’s my go to setting.
Another banger Griffen! Im thinkin about picking up a R3 to be my new Photo cam and B cam to my C70! Still shooting photos on my 5Dmkiii, got C70 to upgrade from 5Dmkiii cause I started gettin more video gigs again!
Thanks for doing the comparison Griffin, Pre-ordered the R3 bit not sure when NZ will get stock. As long as the C70 has good light the AF works really well, hope the R3 will be a fix for this on some jobs. Did you find the colours match easy in post?
Thanks Griffin! Very nice comparison. Did you test also the cameras in some low light? C70 seems to have good shadow recovery isn't it? Better than R3? What do you think?
Great video as always! I was super interested in how these 2 stacked up against each other. I would love to also see how the non-raw footage on the R3 compares. I have the C70 and I pre-ordered the R3 but it still hasn't arrived, I'm thinking about cancelling that order and trying to wait for the rumored R5C, the C70 and the rumors of the R5C would be my dream setup as my business is about 40% photography and 60% video. Thanks again for the vids!
That would be a great setup. The r5c (if it actually comes out) seems great. The R3 is a great camera though for sure. I plan on doing something on my channel with the non raw r3 footage vs c70 footage
@@GriffinConway waiting for this! :)
I love your videos. Always so informative snd entertaining at the same time. I'm a beginner, gathering experience and gear to dare to do my first commercial gig. With all your experience, would you say a R6 + Ninja V paired with a C70 would work for interviews? I only own one R6 and no monitor and not sure in what direction to build my gear.
I really love the review, this helped me a lot about choosing r3, thank you man.
Awesome! R3 is such a beast
Thanks for an informative video.
Good video man … thinking I might get the C70 for more of a film look for my wedding videos
Finally a good review about Canon EOS R3~ thank you so much
Thanks for sharing Griffin - In my business I used to be 80% photography and around 20% film. Since COVID its been 80% film and 20% still so for my purposes the C70 is the go (I now have 2 bodies) - I use an R5 and also have 2 x 5D mkIV's (stills work) and whilst they are very good its much easier to use the C70 as you say in you review for all the reasons you mentioned... with the built in ND filters, wav, luts, Canon codec and sound also being priority. Always love your down to earth reviews mate. Keep up the awesome work bro :)
I agreed with all of this…until my c70 screen basically fell off with light, in studio use. I’m always shocked that buyers aren’t making a bigger deal of the c70 build quality. For Canon standards, I find it atrocious.
@@jasonnowwhat5041 In all fairness I have had to send one of my cameras back for a new screen/
hinge - I purchased my 1st C70 in November last year. Since the new screen I've never had any issues. My 2nd unit has never missed a beat. I'm a CPS member and there service is 2nd to none. CPS even sent me a loan unit while mine was away being repaired (3 days only). Of the times I've ever had to send equipment back to Canon for whatever reason (cleaning, repair, etc) its always been acceptable times and a loan available when needed. I couldn't ask for more than that. Cheers :)
Great video. I so dream of a full frame c70 now.
Super dope! Is that C70 vs FX6 video ever gunna drop? Would love to hear your thoughts on the two.
Great review as Always Griffin 😊 I really liked the R3 but the c70 has definitely a more „filmic“ look 🙂
When you shoot in RAW (cinema raw light) in the R3, you will have this filmic look like c200 or c300…
Great and honest review!
Man i love the c70 and how it holds up… personally i never got to work with it yet but working with the c300ii quite a lot i definitely think that would be a great next step. Maybe one day 😃👍
In the slow mo section you mentioned about shooting C Log 2 on the R3 when in raw. Did you see Gerald Undone’s R3 review were he discovered that you don’t actually get true C Log 2 from the R3 (it’s actually the same, or very similar curve to C Log).
Thanks for your testing. I'd love to see R5 vs R3 comparison.
Hey Griffin, good stuff. That light leak from the speedbooster is terrible. Def advantage to the R3 there. How does the r5c fit into the mix with these two in your opinion?
Useful video, thank you. R3 has no rolling shutter issues, R3 has more detail so you could push in to correct framing in post if needed. Perhaps using an R3 with an external battery and a ninja monitor for the focus peaking video metric would overcome those heating and focus precision issues. Also, if you have a specific blocked shot, you can pull focus to get what you want.
What is so great about the new R6 Mark II is that it has the R3 autofocus settings, but ALSO has the face only (subject only) autofocus of the C70 so the camera wont jump to the background the way the R3 did at 8:40
Nice comparison! So you'd take the R3 over the 1DX MK III ?
Yes more R3 comparisons! Does the R3 pass uncompressed clean feed over mini hdmi? Can’t decide on purchasing the R3 yet over that.
Love the videos! I have an Aussie too! Would you ever consider getting the R5C?
... and think you did not mention the built-in NDs - which are a total must for me (been editing some summer shots and noticed I keep using NDs all the time while shooting outside). I do mostly a documentary video and although I am about to include more photo work in my business, I feel like a separate photo body makes much more sense than having a hybrid, which would be a compromise for me. C70 (or any other EOS C cam) is the one for me in this duel.
Great video, Griffin, thank you, your channel deserves ton more of views and subs!
Once you have built in ND’s it’s so hard to go back to shooting with hybrids.
Great stuff as usual. I'm a fan of your channel. 💪💪 I am facing a choice between the c70 vs the R3. Maybe the R3 vs C70 codec comparison material. The amount of space that the record takes, and others. Cheers😉
Do you find yourself only as a video shooter, or a hybrid of photos and videos? If you only shoot video, I would personally go for the C70 as it is much easier to deal with the files
@@GriffinConway I make films 95% of the time. So I also think that the c70 as my first autofocus camera will be perfect :) Chears
@@WOLFMEDIA-MICHAL-WILK Dude the c70 is incredible. I LOVE mine. Codecs, dual recording, nds, audio controls etc have all been so nice to work with on the c70. It's really changed the way I shoot I love that I can rig out the c70 but I really don't have to. My only complaint with the c70 is the build quality. I've baby'd mine so far but a lot of people complain about there screen getting lose and about poor weather sealing. Other than that it's a great camera. If you do any sort of fast pace event work or interviews this is a great camera. If you shoot a lot in adverse weather or are really hard on gear you might be disappointed in the c70 and may want to lean towards the R3.
Awesome, im getting a C70 in January!
Heck ya! That's awesome
Would be interesting to see a dynamic range comparison in non-raw modes. I feel that Canon's raw is too unusable due to the file sizes and how heavy the codec is.
the size difference between all-i files and raw light files is not huge
Pre ordered the R3 and still waiting 😂 but I'm hoping it pairs well with my c70. I love the c70 for so many things, but it's build quality and weather sealing always has me nervous shooting in the PNW. So I'm looking for something that performs well as a compliment to the c70 and it seems like it will! Really I need some photo capabilities, 4k60, and great battery life and weather sealing! Great video! Always excited when I get a notification from your channel:)
How far have you pushed the weather sealing on the C70 so far? I have tried to find more information about what kind of limits you can put it through, but there isn't much information out there unfortunately. I am really curious if anyone has tried testing something like this. Would be nice to know where I can keep the camera out, and where to just call it and put it away.
@@Topher0089 so I live in the PNW and have shot in light and slushy snow over like an hour. Camera was noticeably wet but did pretty well. I used a towel to wipe it down where I could and sometimes left the towel laying on top of the camera while shooting. I've also shot in light rain and it performed pretty well in shorter time increments. I will say if you plan on being in the elements over an extended time I would not feel comfortable with the C70. I'll be the first to admit I haven't done any specific testing, but it's more of a feel for the build quality of the camera. When I was shooting in the snow it seem to collect snow on and around the battery, around the hinges and buttons under the screen, and then a few other places. Those spots don't particularly have a ton of weather sealing and it definitely made me more nervous. 🤷🏻♂️ hope that's mildly helpful?🤷🏻♂️😂
@@Dannyhallfilms It definitely is! I just picked up the camera and haven't tested it at all in terms of weather conditions(here in Texas we typically don't really get much snow, and it hasn't been particularly rainy recently). I am definitely a bit nervous putting a piece of equipment at this price anywhere near water, but it will happen eventually, so this helps me judge the capabilities at least a little bit better. I appreciate it!
@@Topher0089 happy to help! I would say light rain and snow over shorter periods of time is fine. Extended times in rain or snow or super heavy rain or snow would make me really nervous. Carrying a towel to help wipe things down and cover the camera when you can, can help!
Hi Griffin, thx for sharing this vid! Question: Would you recommend using the r3 as a BCam besides the C70? I plan a two camera Interview setup for an imagemovie on an indoor tennis court
Thx
Fly up to Seattle real quick, I’ve got the A1 for a few more days ;)
Dude! I would love to do that sometime. Headed to see the family this week but lets link up sometime or hit me up if you are ever in socal
Dang this is my dilemma! I’ve been trying to decide between the r3 and the c70!! And the bug problem is trying to decide which lens to invest in. I love the RF lens and how crisp and sharp they look.
I would love to see more comparison between these two and real world experiences! Love these videos!
The conclusion i came to is to buy both.
I have a stupid question for you. What shotgun mic are you using in the snow? I use the rode video pro but it comes with a very long cord. Can you give me the link for the little red cord you use bro? That looks like it would be better 😀
Wow this is an awesome video! Your content is amazing and very informative. Could you do a comparison between the C70 and the C500 mark ii? On paper the C500 mark ii seems to be an amazing camera but not many people seem to be using or talking about it. You even mentioned yourself that you tend to use the C70 the most. Could you provide some insight as to why you prefer the C70? Especially when you're still using EF lenses?
They are both amazing cameras. I have been using the c70 more because my team has multiple c70’s and it makes matching everything super easy. Also the autofocus is better with the “whole area” af mode on the c70 and the battery life is better. Also, size is easier for travel with the c70. All that said, it comes with some pretty heavy trade offs. The c500 mark ii raw is a better image. It’s got a true full frame sensor, so no extra glass to worry about causing glares. Also, when using pl mount glass it still retains the full frame field of view. It allows the operator to play back footage with a lut on it (the c70 won’t let you do this). Also, it offers 2 sdi and hdmi, and also full size xlr. It just comes down to the job for me. On bigger jobs the c500 is better. Run n gun / smaller jobs the c70 is better
@@GriffinConway I see. Thank you so much for your response. This is really helpful.
GREAT VIDEO!!!. In my case, I am a videographer who uses cameras without stabilization, and R3 have IBIS, and C70 no.
All RF lenses I own without doubt outperformes their EF siblings so isn’t it likely to believe that the sharpness and flare performances are mainly about the lenses and not the camera or speed booster…?
Great and very interesting review! :)
I have the C70 with the speed booster. It’s definitely the speed booster. I have an R6 with the regular ef-rf adapter and it doesn’t give the flare. There is also a purple flare in the center that shows up and it’s not flattering at all. I love the C-70 though! I am about to invest in the 24-70 2.0 rf
It’s going to be sick!
I'll go for the R3. Thanks for the great comparison.
Great video ( i finally watched it 😅)
I love my C70, but I would be lying if said that I miss having a camera that does both video and photo ( the c70 does a little bit but I'm talking real photo taking )
Might have to look at the R5 maybe as I really wouldn't mind that 45mp sensor tbh
Thank you for this review ! Can you tell me if the R3 overheats in 120 fps / 1080p ? Because the R5 does, even in 1080p…
Thank you !
Damn that is a comparison I wouldn’t have thought of
I did a poll on my channel a few weeks ago (you can see it in the "community" tab) and this was the one people voted for the most.
Which mist filter do you use? Great video by the way!
Thank you I used a 1/4 tiffen black pro mist
yes i am more interested in the r3 as a matter of fact.. and i wish you could compare also to the a7sIII .. but also i would like to see how the rolling shutter is, as they claim in the r3 ithere s the first stacked sensor.. and then what about the 6k ? how is it?
Im getting the R3 for Video and im sure with firmware updates can only get better...great info thanks for sharing..id still pick the R3 because its easier to carry around and for me is traveling doing short video stories cinematic clips and some music video for my hobby...what do you think?
I think for travel the r3 is probably the best camera on the market for hybrid stills/video use. I am traveling just for fun this month and I am bringing my R3 as my main cam
Surprised you didn’t mention anything about the lowlight capabilities of the R3 vs the C70. That is supposed to be the greatest strength of the R3. It’s DXO ratings on lowlight make it the best lowlight camera Canon has ever made.
The only reason I didn’t was because I didn’t have time to test it and the video was already going to be pretty long. I’ll try to cover that in a future video.
@@GriffinConway No one has posted a good lowlight test of the R3. Would love to see one!
yo dude. with the R5C coming out. Do you think its better to keep the R3 as a bcam to c70 over the R5C (no ibis/DPAF I?)
One last thing… the Leica SL2-S is a tank, nice video and weather sealed with a buttery Leica look. Just throwing it out there.
Hi Griffin, I apologize if I missed this in the comments (and I didn’t see it in your description), but if you don’t mind my asking, what is your favorite gimbal these days (late ‘22!) on the C70? Thanks, and, btw, I’ve been enjoying all your videos on the C70. Subbed.
Thank you! Haven’t made a video on it but the rs3 pro is the best of the small gimbals IMO. I actually just bought a full sized Ronin 2 for my car rig though and love it for bigger camera packages.
@@GriffinConway Thanks for your reply. That’s incredibly helpful. I will check it out.
Would you saw that the dynamic range of the Raw in the R3 is the same as the DGO dynamic range of the c70?
Hey Griffin, did you have a ProMist filter on for the studio video recording? And if so, which one, and the intensity/fraction?
2:04 :)
@@GriffinConway Thank you! Missed it, because I watch UA-cam videos at 1.75X or 2X.
@@errolwebber haha I do the same thing! No worries. Thanks for watching!
A comparison of R3 vs 1DX III vs C500II would make more sense.
Can’t wait for r5c comparison
Haha ya I am excited for that one
Great comparison, but I slightly disagree with your c70 4K 120 observations. In my workflow, I find there are downsides. You lose dual pixel AF and biggest of all (for me) you lose the dual gain nature of the sensor, which is what makes the c70 image so beautiful to begin with. Compared to other cameras out there that allow 4K 120 withzero limitations I think those are rather serious considerations depending on your workflow.
What about the EVF in video mode? Is it comfortable for shooting video in bright daylight?
Basically if you just want video focus camera then go for C70. For me since I am into both photo and video, it will be R3. Now we have R5c coming but I felt like its R5 with fan build in and plus mini C70. Plus it doesn't even have IBIS and latest dual autofocus will not be on video part but on photo. I highly recommend for professional filmmaking, go for Canon Cinema Cameras such as C70 or above.
Built in ND’s is also huge for c70 i dont think the R3 would have that. Also on c70 switching to non lens ef adapter and lens adapater gives you two focal lengths from each lens. Something that might help when using primes especially and limited gear such as traveling, hiking, etc. As far as sharpness in the test they might have two diff settings or bias. I would add post sharpness to c70 and it holds up super well to adding sharpness in post when you want more such as a crop cut. When will they make a full frame dual gain sensor in a c70 body!? With a tall aspect too for anamorphic capability please. With a new canon anamorphic lens series would be nice!
Thinking about getting the R3 as a b cam to my C70. How do they cut together and how does the image stack up now that the C70 has raw?
Thanks for the great video. Does the R3 shoot 10bit HD?
Yes it does
Great stuff! I've been looking for a B-Cam for my C70 (mostly promo-type and some long form content). What would you recommend? I've been thinking about an R6 and others you think would be better?
Depends on your budget of course. I think R6 can work. I Imagine more people will be selling the R5's used since the new R5c came out. I might try to go for a used r5 since it does a little better with overheating as far as I remember
@@GriffinConwayThanks for the reply! I've learned a ton from your channel ever since picking up the C70.
That's a good thought on a used R5! I'd be selling an old R that I don't use as much to help offset cost so I'll def keep an eye out for a used R5 as well.
Hi! Thanks for the video, after watching your videos I've decided to buy me also a Canon C70^^ But.... I got a problem. All went well during shooting, but as I wanted to import the videos on my Mac it didn't work. I couldn't connect my Canon C70 on my MacBook Pro (13-inch, 2019, Two Thunderbolt 3 ports). When I connect with an HDMI or USD cable nothing happens, as if my Mac didn't detect that my camera is connected. I downloaded the Canon XF Utility software compatible with my version of Mac and it does not detect my camera.
Do you know what I can do to import the videos on my Mac?
I have the R5, and I chose this camera because it can do landscape photos and the picture can be cropped, yet still retains the ability to be enlarged. They should have weathered sealed the R5.
In the 4K 120 test did you have allow high temp setting on?
Don’t forget about the 30fps “open gate” 14bit burst mode on the r3 ;)
Haha true!
noticed that in your talking head sections of this video that the black is showing ripples throughout it. Wonder if the editing software is doing something funny to your footage.
IS R3 overheating more than 1DXIII with 6k raw 60fps ?
I’m not of a hybrid shooter… so I’d probably grab the R3 instead. But if I was only video I’d have to agree to take the c70. Like you said they’re both boss for what they were made for
I always wonder that, in the time before the camera 'officially' is overheating and/or stops, some slow cumulative damage is occurring...
hi Griffin, does c70 + ef 16-35mm works good with dji RS3? or need to work with RS3 Pro?
what setting was the heating control on when filming 120 fps ?
Griffin Are you looking at the R5C?
I’ll probably get one for testing
How to match them? :P can you shoot both in c-log 3 and just grade them the same?
Looks like the R3 footage hits pure black sooner compared to the C70. That's probably means when you bring down the the shadows the mid tones will also come down and the footage will have more depth and form. That's in line with the Komodo and Blackmagic dynamic range. Does that make sense?
Interesting comparison but 12 minutes of 4K 120 seems a very long clip , not sure who would want to shoot such a long slo-mo clip or who would want to watch one that long (played back that would be 48 minutes wouldn't it ?)
I wonder if Canon will add c-log 2 in a firmware update ?
The weather sealed tough body should be very handy for wildlife/action in extreme conditions