The Gallowgate Expansion: What You Need to Know!
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2023
- Special thanks to Barry Carr for contacting me and painstakingly adjusting his original drawing to incorporate some requested detail.
If you’d like to know more about this topic please read my article on my website
www.tynesidelife.com/post/rel...
Most informed and well-researched NUFC UA-camr. Well done as usual Eddie.
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Totally agree
I am a Carlisle fan, but I am also a bordered, North Country person, Northerner and football fan. NUFC is the largest team of my region.
I like to keep up to speed with all things Tyneside and NUFC; this is really informative and interesting channel.
It’s extremely good work and credit to UA-cam
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@@jimmycburfield5997 Hiya Jimmy, are you going to Brunton Park on Friday? its £10 for the Warwick Road, against Tranmere, I'll be there! up the blues
@@paulguise698 too right I will be! We will kick ass!!!
I have every faith in the squad and in Simmo we have a class act as our leader!
Up the blues!
Good video again Eddy. This looks very possible and without too many problems it seems. Exciting times!
Great video Eddy mate. Good times ahead for the club our future is exciting cant wait to see how it pans out
Me neither Scott
This is my favourite topic that you cover. Amazing research as always. Thanks Eddie
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Always love your informative content Ed.
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Great stuff Eddie, it would look smashing wouldn't it👍
Eddy when you mentioned the old Gallowgate steps, literally every single one of us over about 40 instantly remembered the bogs.
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The bogs were a disgrace alright. I think the ones beside Marlborough station were worse. You could smell the pee from the other side of the street.
Great vid eddy thanks for the Information
Great video Eddy cheers for the insight into what it could look like 🤛⚫️⚪️⚫️⚪️ Massive match today HWTL 🎉🙏🤛
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Informative as always Eddie, 2 1 TOON, Rashford, Willock and Isak m8
Great video very interesting mate
An expansion to the Gallowgate will result in the stadium being and even more dominant feature of the Newcastle landscape. I can't see any downsides other than an upfront cost.
Not a Newcastle fan but this came up in my recommendations, interesting video. From looking at google earth I don't see any real reason (as a transport planner) why that section of Strawberry Place couldn't be closed, especially the way transport schemes are going in cities now. It removes what looks to be a rat run (Gallowgate clearly takes most of the traffic), will reduce traffic considerably around the stadium and that residential area. It also allows for better placemaking in that Metro station park area and creates a proper sustainable transport area/hub (Metro/bus stops/rental bikes etc). On 'planning balance' it would make sense to close the road and allow for better design.
Also, noted in some comments below about whether a capacity of 62k is enough. As a west ham fan, our capacity is way too much. we sell out most games but the support is a bit diluted from what we had at Upton Park. The real money to be made will be from the corporate boxes in that new stand rather than the 10k extra seats, so as a fan, it's about making sure they get that balance correct. You can argue that part of Newscastle's product is the fanbase.
also, aside from the mad scaffolding (for lack of a better term!) design of the roofs (and its resultant shadow), I think that 'smaller' stand you have really gives St James' Park a cool feature. it would be a shame to lose that to accommodate an eventual 'mirrored' stadium.
Great message thank you 👍🏻
Great video as usual Eddy 👍. I am not sure 62,000 in 5 years time is ambitious enough for our owners but I guess we will see.
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
I agree unfortunately.
62,000 is a perfect scenario,not too much,we don't want it too big & then lose the atmosphere in early cup games when it might only be 1/2-3/4 full
@@stevenpryce7808 I agree ☝️
@@stevenpryce7808 I think even with 80,000 it would never be 1/2 to 3/4 full. We have a massive waiting list for season tickets which if we could meet would improve the atmosphere and would generate even better income (which we need to get over ffp restrictions, which are going to get tighter). I think any remit given to architects should include maximising the acoustics of the ground to amplify the noise. I am sure there are creative ways to get more than 62,000 without relocating the ground, needs to be well thought through and done once.
Nice work. I guarantee there won’t be fan pressure to rename it the Mike Ashley Stand!
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Maybe name it after someone honouring the country of the new owners? The Jamal Khashoggi Stand sounds good.
@@gordon1545 nice one! Or how about the Tony Blair stand after the needless invasion of Iraq snd Afghanistan?
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Great Article, be brilliant if it materializes
Would look awesome
great air photography
I visit for work an adjacent building at Wellbar Central and you don't realise how big the existing ground until you are on the upper floors of that building.
I don’t think they should go too crazy with the fan zone activities. One of the reasons why activities like that work in the US is the climate and the weather they have ☀️. But I think the illustration of the Gallowgate looks really good.
You’re right about the weather lol! We may need a large tipi cover.
We shouldn’t forget though that we have markets in Newcastle that have been around for hundreds of years
You’re right about the weather lol! We may need a large tipi cover.
We shouldn’t forget though that we have markets in Newcastle that have been around for hundreds of years
We need a massive glass floored blimp above the stadium 😅
That’s some span for a cantilever roof. More likely to move the Gallowgate stand further back and lengthen the East and West Stands in the process. Makes it better for the odd occasion we host the Rugby.
Couple of major problems with ‘stretching’ the stadium footprint.
It’ll require almost a half stadium rebuild. That’ll require a temporary playing stadium, which there isn’t one.
It’ll move the Gallowgate and Leazes further away from the pitch as that’ll have to move too.
You can only move it back a few metres anyway, because of the road.
Seems a non starter David and certainly nothing that the experts I talk to have mentioned, since you mention it to be a likely option.
@@TynesideLife the sketch looks like the stadium footprint is being stretched anyway and it is straddling the road behind the Gallowgate or am I missing something? The sketch suggests the Gallowgate stand will be deeper than the existing Leazes end which, if it is a cantilever roof, would probably put it in the Guinness Book of Records. The superstructure to support it would be colossal. Whatever they do I can’t see them doing anything worthwhile to the stadium without sacrifices being made for a number of season ticket holders if they want to remain on the same site. It’s a very interesting challenge.
@@davidanderson2838 David, in the video I explain that this is an opinion video, based on a myriad of conversations and personal research. It’s not an architectural drawing and shouldn’t be viewed with too critical an eye. It’s for illustration purposes only, to demonstrate what it would ‘roughly’ look like.
Nothing has been stretched however and the stadium is within its current footprint, other than a cantilever stand added, ie the Gallowgate hasn’t been moved back.
The illustration and video hasn’t been produced to invite a debate about its design, as in principle, it’s a valid option. I only counter your initial comment as it creates some significant problems, that wouldn’t be caused with a ‘mere’ cantilever extension.
Thank you for sharing your views 👍🏻
Brilliant as always Eddie. Great research. Surely imo the easiest answer would be to build an entirely new stadium just a few hundred yards further back into Leazes park? I know you have previously said that’s impossible but I think I also saw a friend of leazes park saying she would be open to the idea? Would such a move be possible in your opinion especially if the owners regenerated the rest of Leazes park as part of the deal? That way the existing site of st James could be turned into a fan park and smaller stadium for the academy and the women’s team?
Hi Kevin, yes it was me who interviewed her. I answer your questions in an in-depth article I’ve written 👍🏻
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
Leazes park is a free public amenity that is worth a million times more than the proposed bulge to make some people richer
@@theotherside8258 it’s also a Grade II Listed Park. You’d find my article interesting 👍🏻
Great content Eddie again! Is it true that NUFC have purchased the building where Barker and Stonehouse is ?
Ooh I’m not sure Gary
They should build a stadium in Newcastle like the Rome collosium
Now that would be something to see ,
Good video 👍
Eddy, if the road at Strawberry Place needed to remain for access to the RVI, etc. they could incorporate it the way the M-30 went under the Vicente Calderon in Madrid
Hi Will, if I understand you correctly, that’s what the design in this video illustrates
@@TynesideLife ahh, yes, just spotted that! The design is great and answers a lot of potential questions. I can genuinely see the actual design being very similar to that. Love the idea of the old steps too!
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Class video as always Eddie! Is that road quite important? It doesn’t look busy
Yes it’s an important road for volume traffic to the RVI, University campus’s but for general traffic in that area too.
It ain’t getting closed permanently bud 👍🏻
Two questions, is there a way to get hold of a digital copy of this artist's impression? If so what is best way of crediting/advertising the illustrator?
Hi, I’ve credited Barry in the video and the description. I’m sure he’ll read your comment. Many thanks for your interest 👍🏻
Thanks Eddie.The road in front of the Gallowgate is an access road for the RVI, so if the Gallowgate is extended into Strawberry Place, how would the club and the City Council negotiate this I wonder? Also, would any extension of the Gallowgate affect the Strawberry pub?
I’m not sure I understand your concern Rob? The road will go underneath the stand.
It doesn’t affect the strawberry 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife Right I see now. Thank you for the clarification
So they wouldn't need to close the road for a year or so to build the thing?
@@theotherside8258 not according to the experts I speak to 👍🏻
@@theotherside8258 they did that when they built the current gallowgate in the early 90s
I seen the surveyor’s out last week on strawberry place with their laser levels.
I have tried to get underground blueprints to see what might need to be strengthened ( purely out of interest on how it might be able to be done, or what issues would arise ). So far no ones knocked on me door asking why I am wanting a metro blueprint :S
Also.. I work on your left.. Yet I've never seen thee there.. I think this is back groon'd magic.. ( or ya kna me shifts and avoid uz, lol )
Great vid though matey! Cheers Eddy :D
Hey bud, I don’t understand your bit about working on my left ?
@@TynesideLife The building to your left, is called Wellbar Central. I work there and still never bumped in to you lol 🤪
@@joppadoni ahh! 😃
I can't see any issue with the ideas in this Eddie, apart from the hotel, Newcastle is getting saturated with hotel developments, as a career hotel manager I would use the space for better match day hospitality and even think along the lines of Spurs who even have their own brewery in their stadium, the land left below would also be ideal for a pub/restaurant complex and even a new club shop in with this.
Great ideas Simon 👍🏻
I recommend you look up Bondibot. They are by far the best channel on youtube for 3d stadium animations. They have done a short animation of the expansion of St. James'.
Hi Craig, I’ve seen the one where they redesign the Gallowgate but it isn’t an expansion animation.
It’s clever animation stuff, but in itself of no value in reality.
I can’t find another video on it.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Going by the original plan in 2007 it looks like the easiest solution would be to build the foundations beyond the metro station which would result in a massive structure. It means rather than fill the metro station in wpuld concrete and move it they obviously avoid that problem altogether. It would also add way more extra seats. However that might mean the current gallowgate might have to be demolished which is not favourable. Aesthetically it would be a nightmare because this structure dwarf the east stand even more, however some could argue in a time of boring souless new builds it would add to the stadiums character.
The gallowgate west corner is probably the most tricky (underneath sir bobby robson statue) as that has the most of the metro underneath, would the gallowgate west corner be included in the plans? Remember the opposite corner holds about 7000 (current GWC only 2000) so leaving out the GWC would cost a potential of 5000 seats.
Also in 2007 there was a member of the coucil who had concerns prior to planning permission and was clearly opposed to it, i believe he is still on the council.
However with euro 2028 on the horizon id expect some decisions to be fast tracked in the next 12 months whether it's feastible long term financially. The PIF will want return on any investment .
Hi Phil, before I can discuss your points more fully I just need to establish couple of points.
I study this topic for a living now and I’m unaware of a plan to expand the Gallowgate in 2007? You’ll need to expand on that bud.
Secondly, with the illustration I discuss in the video, there’s no need, nor plan to fill in the current metro station there. I mention the Metro in the video.
@@TynesideLife Hi Eddie. I'm referring to the 300m development plan under Freddy Shepherd that included a revamp of the gallowgate (adding 8000 seats) plus a major conference centre, a hotel over on barrack road and luxury apartments at the back of the leazes.
I should say it was actually announced way back in 2007 when they had one eye on the 2012 Olympic games.
I believe there were drawings by the club demonstrating how it could be done that are very similar to what you have in the video.
I don't think planning permission ever got put forward though and ultimately Mr Ashley came in.
Yes sorry, you did mention the metro in your video 🤭
@@phil1721 it’s a shame the club didn’t release those drawings as I can’t find any 😩
@@TynesideLife I've looked and unfortunately there is nothing out there. There is a historical article linked to the clubs official website but unfortunately the links for images don't work anymore
dont understand why theres no fan park on matchdays already
it wasnt that long ago you put out a vidoe saying the club are relocating the ground and you knew where. Speculating again Trying to second guess the club.
I released a video three days after I released that one. It’s important you’re aware of what it was about. Do you know?
Also, the video you’ve just commented on IS a speculation video, I stress this at the beginning.
If you’re on here just to try and ridicule, I’ll block you. The bigger man will take a step back and acknowledge the stupidity of your comment 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife Please dont take offence at my comment i mean you know ill will. it just an observation. your vidoe came up on a link. i remember your retraction video you posted after the club came out and stated we are staying at st james. i belive you blamed a conition you have. enjoy what you do. Im sure your a very nice guy. I personally dont think you can Speculate with the type of owners now holding the keys to the castle
@@trevordavison1420 thank you for that more considered response Trevor.
Of course we should all be free to speculate; pundits, journalists and Fan Media channels do it all the time. It adds to the interest of the game.
Of course, there’s speculation and there’s ill thought out nonsense that I see regularly. If you’d genuinely like to understand more about this particular topic, please take a few minutes to read a thoroughly researched article I’ve wrote on the topic.
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
I think you’ll find that the extension of the Gallowgate that I’m describing is overwhelmingly the most likely direction of the club 👍🏻
Honestly, does that road need to stay there?
Is it that vital for the area, that cars go through there?
Yes 👍🏻
Eddy any idea what the costs involve expansion v New stadium. 👍
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
Can they not make the east stand bigger if they make it glass
Check out my stadium expansion playlist Sam as I cover this topic in great detail from many angles.
Short answer is extremely unlikely 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife will do mate thanks
Hiya Eddy, do you think Newcastle will ever beat the 68,236 record attendance? I hope so, but we'll have to wait and see, this is Choppy in Whitehaven, Cumbria, England
If you’re asking my opinion, I don’t think we’ll have a stadium that big to beat that. Would be nice though 👍🏻
looks as if it would take too much light from teh buildings across the way. Does it really need to be bigger to the detriment of the city?
Not according to the experts I speak to bud.
A larger stadium using unused land wouldn’t be to the detriment of the city. It would bring in revenue, jobs and increase tourism. 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife By detriment i mean putting all the surrounding buildings into shadow. You could also increase game tourism to the city by reducing 'home' seats to increase them for visitors. Other tourism would suffer from having a more visible carbuncle
@@theotherside8258 thanks for sharing your views 👍🏻
any cantilever should incude a skelton of the tyne bridge
Coming from Aston villa massive club I think your new owners are gonna build you new state of art stadium i think it be massive suprise tho
Definitely won’t happen mate. Guaranteed
Classic opinion as usual Eddy cannot resist your uploads mate
Build a Circular stadium good and strong. With different activities for everyone to enjoy Football/Basketball.
Outside the stadium.
Dennis Patterson will be in charge of the builders.
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Plot twist, I might be mistaken, but the parking lot in front of the Metro is planned for high rise already... Might not be possible to expand the stadium.
It was mate. Those plans have been shelved as the club have bought the lease on the whole of Strawberry Place.
Even if that were true, it wouldn’t impede a cantilever expansion of the stand
I thought something was wrong with my UA-cam for first five seconds haha..
The key overall visual aspect will be to make 3 sides of the ground look uniform. That illustration shown is a mess because the Gallowgate would have a bigger bulged footprint and would make St James' park look a monstrosity. The Gallowgate expansion will need to match the Leazes stand as much as possible.
In your opinion 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife Not just my opinion, its an architectural issue. Architects look at context when designing and so will the planning approval team to keep it in order and sympathetic to the existing building and area. Liking your channel 👍
@@vinnyvasquez as I said in the video bud, it’s not an architectural drawing and shouldn’t be viewed through too critical an eye. It’s an illustration to get an idea.
The concept I feel is spot on 👍🏻
There was method in the madness making the gallowgate have an even bigger footprint than the milburn and leazes. I knew the general consensus was that everyone visioned the gallowgate to be a mirror image of the leazes end to add symmetry but I just went left field and liked the idea of the gallowgate being one continuous single tier with all safe standing, rather than have the vast drop from level 7 seperated by corporate/executive boxes. If you ask me it just wouldn't seem right to have those boxes in one of English football's most famous stands. It's our equivalent of the kop and would also rival Borussia Dortmund's iconic "yellow wall". Plus it would also benefit our huge surfer flag displays.
@@Baz_Nufc I personally agree Baz 👍🏻
is the actual stadium listed?
No Jimmy
if they are clever do a deal with the council to take part of the park buy up land in surounding areas to compensate with exess park in other areas and just move the stadium in to the park by 100m or so to build a new stadium with a roof and 80000 give or take capacity
I’ve covered this in previous videos (check out my stadium expansion playlist) and for a few reasons it’s a non starter.
For a fuller understanding of the complexities involved, feel free to read an article I’ve wrote on the subject 👍🏻
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
@@TynesideLife yeah i know but i was just thinking if ya got billions to "bribe" people with stuff can happen ..... if i was the dude id blow the stadium up with expolsives and destroy the houses next door that are listed and pay the fine for doing it .... after paying "security guards" to make sure no one was home ....but ya know , council planers and what not ....
its things like this why arab states have ferraris driving on roads with skyscrapers everywhere and england has 2 up 2 down terrist housing from 100 years ago full of mould ....
just bend the rules a lil peeps lol
sos about the rant but hope ya get my drift
U should start a podcast
Never knew Jeff Bezos was NUF and could rock out a Geordie accent
Mwahahahaha 🤪🔫
I thought FOI requests were for government/public bodies not private businesses?
They are. I submitted one anyway as it was a piece of business with a Public Body.
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@@IanEckert1977 Even worse than that Ian, We could have Bruno Fernandez moaning at the ref, say Ian have you subscribed to The Toon Review, they only have 1 day off a week for 6 days its usually a live stream at night time, during the day its Newcastle United News, its usually a 10 minute vlog
I don't like the road going under the stand to be honest. For obvious security risks
The stadium is a security soft target on many levels and vulnerable on all sides. Vehicles of course have access under the Sir John Hall stand snd Milburn stand.
Of course the road behind the Gallowgate would be closed during match days as it is now. 👍🏻
Should rename it the Blood Money Stand
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Everyone goes on about the RVI road. But what about emergency’s when road is shut on match days or the likes of the rugby weekend. ?
Everyone? That’s not the issue. It’s an important road for volume traffic through that area.
Having it closed for two hours, twice a month for eight months of the year is manageable 👍🏻
We need a new ground it's a simple as that
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
Me personally i think the owners will build a new stadium.
Here’s why the won’t Yozzer
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
@@TynesideLife Let’s see what happens if they get the knock back from expanding the current stadium. It wasn’t so long ago they was plans building a new stadium on the Town moor ..
@@Oddly1970 I can tell you didn’t read the article as it covered this point…
in 1997 plans were scrapped to build a stadium that straddled Castle Leazes and Leazes Park (not the Town Moore). This was due to large protests and objections.
The council had already approved the building of four tower blocks on Strawberry Place before NUFC bought the lease on the land back.
Future Gallowgate expansion plans are unlikely to be knocked back for that reason. Plus, the owners will have had ‘in principle’ communication with the council on future plans
Look at Anfield
Explain further please
Rate win that today
Just released my reaction video 👍🏻
Wouldn't it be better to sell the stadium and build a new one (70,000 seats?) on a green field site with transport facilities and an adjoining training complex ? Similar, in some respects, to the Etihad in Manchester......
I answer this fully in an article I’ve wrote Tom, with supporting evidence
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
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You’re up to your neck in it too Ivor 👍🏻
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That’s what I thought 😅
It's such a shame a ground share for a limited time period isn't possible, that way st James's park could be flattened and rebuilt just like what the spuds did. We are a victim of geography.
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"Take a look at these! These are some drawins ave done of 'em!"
Why is the Gallowgate bigger than the Milburn/Leazes? Has that been suggested by a reliable source?
It was deliberately designed bigger to accommodate more fans and utilising space without corporate boxes.
Of course this is just for illustration purposes to get an idea of what it may look like 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife Cheers! I used to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of football grounds as a kid (and SJP obviously) but I'm usually the last to know nowadays!
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Exactly 👍🏻
Sounds far too complex to me. And the one side can never be developed anyway because of that Georgian terrace. Having a massive stadium next door kind of spoils the beauty of that building anyway. Wouldn't it just be better to build a new state of the art facility along the lines of the Spurs stadium somewhere else in the city . The clubs owned by billionaires fgs. Cost isn't a factor.
Here’s why that won’t happen bud
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
@@TynesideLife That made an interesting read, cheers. I'm not from Tyneside, as you've probably guessed, so I'm kind of looking at the situation through pragmatic eyes. My own team, Everton, will shortly be moving to a new stadium (hopefully we'll still be in the Premier league) so I do understand the emotional tug of a traditional home but things are clearly different for NUFC. Best of luck. That's some team you've got up there btw!
@@vordman 🤛🏻
Knock it down and build a Supermarket
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Looks odd with that low stand though, very disjointed.
No way around it and adds to the uniqueness of our stadium 🤛🏻
Stadium doesn't look right at all 🙈
Unfortunately, due to a city centre location and being bordered by historical, environmental and other infrastructure, we don’t have the luxury of a beautiful oval stadium. Our city centre location however does provide us with opportunities that all other clubs don’t have.
As such, there are significant factors that will inhibit our opportunity to have a lovely aesthetic stadium. We currently have a stadium that is already very lopsided.
This Gallowgate expansion illustration is probably the best idea of what things will look like in a few years time.
If you’d like to understand more about the St James’ Park topic please take a few minutes to read an in-depth article I’ve wrote on my website 👍🏻
www.tynesidelife.com/post/relocating-st-james-park-is-highly-unlikely-here-s-why
Can tell some amateur drew that plan up would never work 😂😂😂
We’d like to hear why not Tom. As I explain in the video, I’ve discussed the concept with experts in their field on the matter and they agree it’s feasible.
Looking forward to hearing your counter scrutiny 👍🏻
That looks absolutely pathetic and definitely won’t be happening
Thank you for your kind and balanced feedback.
The club have bought the lease on Strawberry Place for a reason and Amanda Staveley recently announced in a real estate conference in Cannes that they’re now looking for a suitable architect.
It seems the future expansion of the Gallowgate will look something like this or perhaps something like they’re planning at the Etihad 👍🏻
Totally agree, tunnel over current road & strengthen above metro station. Let’s go al get me wheelbarrow & spade. 😀🤍🖤🤍🖤🤍🖤🤍🖤🤍🖤🏆👍