Gary Neville gives his take on Newcastle's new owners & the controversy behind their takeover
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Gary Neville believes that it has taken the takeover of Newcastle to put such a huge spotlight on Saudi Arabia’s human rights record, and the MNF pundit says that the UK government must now act with the Saudi state to drive change.
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Never thought I'd watch a philosophical debate on morality between Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville, but I enjoyed it!
Really? Gary has become increasingly embroiled in political topics of late. Perhaps SkySports scripted this particular topic, but Gary certainly relishes the opportunity to get his political opinion across.
Shame Gary came off as a very naive boy being very ignorant of history and politics in general.
Gary is full of contradiction in this video- he's a typical free market liberal that says respect people's religion, respect people's views despite the fact they murder and oppress people. 'you can't disagree with these people but I do disagree with these people' 'in a normal world that wouldn't be acceptable' - his words from the first 1:24. He suffers from Eurocentrism and is a typical capitalist bootlicker. He also talks about the UK government working with the Saudi government in order to improve their record on human rights... The UK government are selling the Saudis weapons to violently kill the people of Yemen. He's so out of touch, as he's a typical free market liberal conformist trying to pander to everyone's agenda and please all parties involved
Gary did a good job. Got his nose right into that pig’s trough stuffed full of dirty Saudi cash.
Try watching it on 2x speed it makes a good debate into a great one 😂
I’m a Sunderland fan. I’ve had a rough couple of weeks
Eventually your wonderful club will be back in the Premier League and we can enjoy the NE derby again. I can see your club being in a more stable position now to progress. Good luck!
Newcastle will be down with you when the crown prince gets bored of newcastle
Loooooool
Sunderland will be back and i believe in the right way..not with just money but proper hardworking players..
At least you've got plenty of ammo to throw back at them 😅
“You can’t disagree with that point of view, I do disagree with it.” Come on Gary which is it lad
Gary is a wishy washy kinda guy.
ha, that's a bad soundbite
but he does give a better and more nuanced view once he gets going
What he means is you can't factually say the opinion is wrong, however you can disagree with it.
@@jacklad8986 Yep it's a turn of phrase
When people are wrong about something, they often tie themselves up in knots.
Every pundit was begging for Steve Bruce to be given a chance and to have his 1000th game, but as soon as he's had it those same pundits are saying he should have gone by now and Gary Neville going as far to say it's employee abuse that he hasn't been sacked
I think the poor performance against Spurs changed their opinions.
@@DurninTv I think so too. that was the last "drop". if they want to stay up, a change had to happen promptly. but he should've left before last season, but anyway..
Should never have been appointed int he first place. Another yes man to Mike Ashley who would just get on with the job but way out of his depth
He should of been no where near the mangerial postion end of.his career stats are one of the worst. FACT.29% win ratio and 44% loss ratio as a premiership manager FACT. Newcastle are now one of the worst defensive sides,tactically and goal scoring wise in the premiership FACT. Something that was definitely not the case under rafa.
Didn't Gary also say he'd never call for a manager to be sacked?
I never thought I’d see a day where Gary Neville will make a point that convinced me to see an unbiased point of view.
The whole assumption of sport washing that if you buy a football club people would forget about your horrible human rights record is absurd. Because It works both ways. If you own a premiership club in the UK you would absolutely be held to a higher standard because your next faux pas will make bigger headlines.
Keane is more biased than G Neville I think
@@PakluPapito The Saudis are already accepted at several top tables and don't need to answer to anyone. Why do you think it will be different with the Premier League? The FA will fall into line with the Saudis just as everyone else does.
His point is on the wrong side though, like Jamie said if the human rights issue isnt something that would make the FA try to deny someone from purchasing a club then what has to happen for them to actually act on it. His whole point about Russia during the world cup being a different place disproved his entire argument because the situation over there didnt improve before or after the WC so idk why he tried to paint it like it did.
@@justhannah3960 And it is wrong.
Gary Neville gives his take on the Hegelian dialectic, and things get HEATED.
gary "are you challenging me" neville
😂😂🤣
Typical jumped up ex footy player. Feels like he can't be challenged in a discussion.
At this moment in time I am to be fair
The Arab Royal families have US/UK politicians in their pocket & are a law onto themselves. Gary thinks they'll change because they've bought a new toy 😂
It's the other way round petrol dollars
@@thegerm1397
That might be true in years prior. But I think that Israel and Saudi Arabia have a better relationship and are now using the USA and GB.
They literally bailed out Barclays the premier league's biggest sponsor, why didn't anyone moan then? all the clubs have benefited from that lol🤔🤦♂️
Actually the Saudis are reorienting themselves towards Asia. Yes they still do own many US and UK politicians but even China owns politicians in those countries. To paraphrase the Mad Hatter, politicians will be anything and everything you tell them in exchange for a contribution before election day.
Who is making the most money in the arms trade deal
I'm an NUFC fan and I completely disagree with Gary here. These owners/countries shouldn't be allowed to use sport as a vehicle to change, they should change before being allowed to get involved in sport. I'm appalled at the fact my club is yet another example of money/corruption being allowed to run rife in football, as I was when City, Chelsea et al. were taken over. I realise I'm the minority, but to me seeing NUFC win a trophy in the next few years won't mean half as much as it would have without essentially buying the success and foregoing our values
Respect to you
6/10 for the essay 👍
Mind your own British business...this is the problem with the west... you think you can impose your will anywhere... worry about what going on at home....there are plenty of problems with the uk for you to worry about...politics and sport dont mix
@@Blaydon-Mag facts
I'm Wallsend born and bred and followed "The Toon" for 30 years. I was on the streets when we won the Championship and I'm far from a casual fan. Just because I've got a different opinion and I'm not ignorant enough to take to the streets with a tea towel on my head doesn't make me "wet".
But England hosted world in 1966 at a time when half of Africa was her colony! And yet no one questioned your human right record!
what you say is true no doubt. but what would you like done? it was like 70 years ago. the only thing we CAN do is to the right thing in the future. which unsurprisingly people aren't doing cos the money's too good. just like it was in the past. I don't believe anything will ever change.
The Empire - while it did do some questionable stuff - was mainly a force for good. Most of what it did benefited the countries it occupied. Let's please drop the lazy narrative that the Empire was purely bad. You cannot compare the human rights - or lack of - of the Saudis with European empires. Not even close.
@@paulhatton9564 no offense bro but this is a stupid argument. I would say the Empire is grey. they did some horrific things and forever changed the cultures and lifestyles of billions of people. they had no right to do these things. they did them because they had the power to do so. but yes they also did some great things and massively advanced humanity. so they're grey in my book. very complex. I wouldn't call them a force for good, nor a force for evil.
@@paulhatton9564 what the almighty fuc3 are you talking about man? Look at the amount of slaughter and thievery your empire got up to. What history books are you reading!
This is, without doubt, the most stupidly uninformed comment I've ever read about British rule
This is bullshit, almost every British colony in Africa was given independence before 1966
I think Gary is spot on. Sport can transcend differences between people, and bring them together. It can be a vehicle for cooperation and positive change. Respect to him for standing up to the other side of the argument.
Aka bend over backwards for sadists and tryants because they have money.
Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.
politics is very complicated, I don't think they're gonna stop they're multi billion-pound business just cuz "ppl r watchin them"
" are you challenging me? " I don't think he means to, but he's coming across as very arrogant these days.
Sometimes someone literally breathes and he immediately goes 'LET ME FINISH PLEASE'
Exactly Jamie, what does it takes to actually say no? To stop them? Isn't the dismembering of a Washington Post journalist enough? The Neville idea of talking to them instead of banning, is probably too naive. Lets hope big name players and managers don't want to be associated with the highly media profiled Khashoggi case.
Ok, what about the American owners?
@@justin8910 Sure, good question. And others too. Where to draw the line? I dont know but cutting journalists into pieces for writing unfavorable about the monarchy should probably be over the line. I think so. But yeah, any very wealthy capitalist owner is per definition a criminal in my opinion. If not, they would not have billions and billions. But at least there should probably be some lines in the sand? Im not claiming to know how/where to put it.
I think he's got a point here - are they likely to commit more human rights abuses or less if they are allowed into our sports ? The answer is obviously less because now they have something else to lose. So maybe that is one way we can get them to stop their abuses.
@@TH-nx9vf We can hope so and must. To me its still about how extreme they can be and still not get rejected. But yes, now that they are here we need to use that possibility.
@@justin8910 The "American owners" are not state-backed.
Saudi Arabia is supported by US for some self-interest of their own and UK supports US for their self-interest of their own. While above all PL has their own self-interests in earning from the richer clubs whether they play fair or not. So it's all comes down to money, and it's what keeps the modern football going. Truth to be told, and it's a bitter one.
UK sells weapons, warplanes to Saudi, Saudi produces petrol oil and sells it to the US and UK, no petrol, no travelling with cars, plane, or trains
The Premier League should stop the Newcastle buy not because of human rights but because its a damn Country taking Over a club.... Polítics should Stay out of sports
US politicians are in bed with Saudis cuz our government has a weird obsession with playing world police. Cold war mentality is still rife so gotta keep powers like China in check. It has nothing to do with oil considering we get most of our oil from Canada. Oh, and nobody GAF about England lmao
Why is this that big of an issue, the precedent was set once Abramovich took over Chelsea same with City owners.
These people are worse though, that was the point when is the line crossed
@@criminaltc9565 The Kremlin is infamous for its human rights violation 😂
I agree. this type of thing is old news by now in football
@@GreggValue and yet here we all are
So Chelsea are owned by a state? Didn't think so. City, PSG, CFG and Newcastle are the only state owned clubs.
“the journalist” use his name, it’s Jamal Khashoggi
Ok
I was going to type this if you didn't. Man lured by a promise of a marriage licence to a murderous trap would do also.
He looks like Rafa Benitez lmao
@@DeezN1892 Stick that Ok up your behind.
@@kirchoff4733 k
Gary has gone right up in my estimation in the last two months. From the Super leauge, to the vaccine concerns and now having a sound balanced view on this topic!
Funny to see British ppl & Media , England especially talk about human rights
The irony
its okay to pick and choose what services and commodities we want from Saudi i.e. OIL, Sales of arms, etc yet when it comes to football we cant let them.
ikr
You can just imagine.
How is it easy to pick and choose these things?
You've never done well with applied mathematics, have you?
Them buying a football club in England isn’t a service provided by them. It’s a stake in Britain’s biggest export. Completely different to mutual agreements regarding arms and oil.
USA are not exactly spotless and agree with Gary we are not completely exempt from scrutiny either,
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The City owners have a history of poor human rights record but they're not talked about as much 😕
What about Russian owners of Chelski who's mate with Putin and are well known for human abuse in Crimea and Chechnya ?
Britain and US themselves are guilty of human rights abused in Afghanistan and on their own terf. Nobody talks about that.
@@MuhammadHamza-ou6zq the UK or US govt do not own a club, we're talking here about the Saudi leadership who directly own one.
@@virtuallimit8615 Chelsea aren't state owned though.
It's the only thing people talk about lmao, are you living under a rock? And Roman is an angel I assume?
Keep politics out of the sport! No nation has to tell other nations what they should do. Fans want to watch sport not political discussion or messages. It's supposed to be escapism and entertainment.
Naive world view. Sport is, and always has been, intertwined with politics.
@@EnclosedPoolArea Sport is always an entertainment and escapism from everything else.
It will be fun to watch Newcastle do what Chelsea and City did
Will be near impossible to do what they done with finical fair play in place now, however they will spend but just over a longer period of time
Can’t see it happening, they’ll do well not to be relegated
@@tombow6839 mate Mike Ashley has spent no money they can spend 1 billion and split it into 200 million payout over 5 years
Everton still some way off
Chelsea played in Europe had world class stars before the take over, Zola, Tore Andre Flo, Desailly, just to name a few. City are local rivals to Man Utd, one the biggest clubs in the world, nocking them off their perch was a great reason to join City. Newcastle has money but you wont see world class players going there when they can go to City, Liverpool, Manu Utd or Chelsea. Newcastle fans are deluded if they think they're the new City.
England has some human rights stuff through history so they have a cheek to talk about any one
key word... history
@@slimcharles2568 ofc we do we need to buy their oil, why do you think their all billionaires?
More blood money in the premier league and more in Sky’s pockets. So neither Sky or anyone who works for them are ever gonna condemn it too much when they really should.
It would be amazing for a player to reject a move to Newcastle or City or PSG and explain why. That would be progress. Unfortunately though that won’t likely happen as money always wins
Entire England and most western countries have the blood money looters cheaters..so on....
@@aks5615 east, west, north, south, underground, space, it doesn't matter which direction you go in those in power are always the same
@@benjammin9471 no there are still some morals left in some corner of the world..i live in saudi arabia I think they r the highly misunderstood countries..its a country you ll find as practical as you get yk 🤷
Dude entire England is built on blood money.
True.
More & more money rules the world with every passing year.
Gary giving his best John Lennon Imagine impression:) love his idealism:))
That's what I was thinking he must of listened to the song just before this debate 😂
I think he is making a good point. each to their opinion.
Alan Shields
Hamilton
South Lanarkshire
Scotland
I to wish the world was like
The song Imagine buy John Lennon & I know my brother in law shares that view aswll but sadly this is not how the world is in reality.
I do wish everyone would just get along with each other & there was no need for any kind of change.
I honestly believe football as in the game in general in on an extremely bad road & one day fans & clubs will wake up to this fact as I see it but I just hope it's not to late to save the game we all love from self destruction A.K.A financial destruction because the way the game has been heading since Roman Abramovich took over at my club Chelsea will not end well at some point further down the road.
I believe if football continues down this road we will get to a point where football becomes an unaffordable luxury for working class people & if & when that day comes the game we love will be lost to us all.
Keep Safe.
Gary is so naive.
Imo Sport should be Sport as its always been a form of escapism of everyday life just like music, movies and TV. When you try and bring politics into sport then it’s no longer escapism. If you want politics go and protest, but leave Sport out of it.
They do this in America, politics/race endlessly discussed on sports programs. That’s what those in charge want.
Utter naivety. How about audio of Kashoggi being dismembered alive? Video of Friday beheadings? Amputations? Maybe this might convince you.
I would highly differ with the stance that South Africa is put into the same sentence as Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabi and UAE. If you want to discuss non-football related matters, read a little.
He said 40 years ago. He was obviously referring to Apartheid.
If the take over is Manchester United, I bet Gary would be singing a different tune. Let’s not kid ourselves. This is the real world, not just in sports but Everywhere! Money first morality second.
Do you actually believe this? Especially considering he's spent years challenging the current owners and their methods? It's almost like you didn't think this through but still came here to demonstrate your lack of quality thinking.
Edit: you're a proper wally.
@@glyndwrjohn6383 are you dumb gary challenged the glazers for not spending he would absolutely love a sugar daddy who will do the same things as city and Chelsea do
@@glyndwrjohn6383 your the wally to be fair
@@glyndwrjohn6383 the current owners for what? For not spending you melt. That isn’t the case with these owners
Here come the toon, when? We are a lil unsure bout that just now, but we know they are coming, and it's a long time coming with their passionate fanbase, it'll be very interesting in a few years for sure and good luck to em... Lfc fan
Selective morality, everyone’s high and mighty whilst posting and commenting from there child slave labour phones, sat wearing their child labour clothes……cheers Jeff.
What do you want people to do? Live in a cave rejecting all aspects of modernity? It’s a deeply entrenched and ubiquitous part of capitalism, there’s no way of avoiding it within the current system
people may be hypocrites. but that doesn't mean we should be blind to Saudi Arabia's human rights abuses
scale does matter
@@josh23992 perhaps show some anger towards companies like Apple.
the world we live in currently doesn’t allow for ethical consumption, but that doesn’t mean you can’t comment on or critique the way things are
Gary's impression made me feel like he works for the un
Like when the WHO ignored Taiwan because it wanted China's support XD
great public conversation that needed to be hard. Glad to see public figures like these talk about important issues that are often overlooked by the media out of anxiety of saying the wrong thing, (especially sports). Sport is power for change, so are conversations like this!
Carragher > Neville
Lol not in a million years
not hard
Gary seems to know nothing whatsoever about Saudi Arabia.
Must be mad
No longer the game I grew up watching. There is no longer any kind of meaningful connection between fans and clubs.
Cry some more
Baby
As Newcastle fans we've had more contact with the group in charge now in two weeks than we've had in a decade with Ashley- if you wanna talk connection with the fans!
Couldn't agree more, at least at Premier League level. Lower down the leagues, the connection is stronger...until a team becomes successful or the city it resides in is picked to be the focal point of a foreign PR jaunt.
Yes and no. I absolutely agree with you on most Premier league clubs. There are definitely ones that have connections like Union Berlin in the bundesliga were literally built by the fans.
just watch the games and don't get into behind the scenes politics too much
Gary Neville for PM. Talks so much sense compared to other Sky pundits. Bring them into the fold and help change through example. Not letting them in doesn't help solve the issues. Nobody mentioned this stuff until they wanted to buy Newcastle. So, let's show them OUR way of life and see if we can help influence the change.
"You can't disagree but I do disagree". Gary starting to flip flop since he won't adopt a proper position on United.
He has such a basic level of English it makes me cringe
@@fluffball53CP You're missing a full stop Shakespeare.
The world has truly gone mad. Look at what is happening around us holy moly
It's happening because people are sleeping
THANKS FOR BEING HONEST ALAN
True. We’re actually committing crimes against our own citizens, like threatening them to get jabbed or they’ll lose their job. Bodily autonomy is everything, and coercing and bullying people in this way is disgusting. Then there’s the real danger of us creating a two tier society because of vaccine passports. Being told by the system that you may have to endure medical procedures for lord knows how long to be able to have your freedom is truly abhorrent. It’s totalitarianism and the stuff of dystopian nightmares. I don’t think our country can be criticising anyone right now, especially when we’re also selling arms to the brutal Saudi regime who are committing genocide in the Yemen.
We live in a society
Thank God England have a such a great humantiarian record, never involved in overthrowing other nations thats results in 1000s of deaths, never happened
The Premier League clubs are not owned by the UK govt though are they? At least stick to the subject.
Isn't afraid to call out Newcastle weekly. Is terrified to consistently call out the glazers 😑
Guess you haven't been paying attention to him criticising them since the super league lol
He’s said many times about how bad the glazers are
He clearly was the biggest person to talk out about the Glazers. He wanted them out. Where have you been?
Last time he called out The Glazers there was a full scale riot lol
Glazers aren't creating a humanitarian issues in Yemen
So Neville thinks Tories are beyond the pale, but the Saudis are okay?! What a joke. There is no way this should have been allowed. Just because it's been done before with Qatar etc. doesn't mean its okay now.
He did say this country doesn’t have a great human rights record. Listen next time yeah. Your just jealous mate
Well you can’t have it both ways. Either strip city of their takeover or if they keep it we keep it.
@@jordanaslam7062 I wouldn't be against that idea
@@tomjones7184 apples and oranges mate. I'd recommend looking into it rather than getting you opinion on human rights from Gary Neville
@@MekkoGekko Will you boycott the 2026 US world cup as well??
Where is the Gary Neville Podcast this week?
Even if you ignore the actions of the Saudi state, MBS is PERSONALLY implicated in murdering someone. I'm not sure how you defend that.
Exactly, you can’t.
He didn't..even he said he ll punish whoever responsible for that incident..don't say things when you don't know some yk
@@abdirahman292 We should kick up a fuss about that. I would like most nations to boycott the Qatar world cup because of their awful human rights record. I think Britain should stop exporting weapons to SA because of the effect on Yemen. I think the influx of state-sponsored big-money owners like at Man City, PSG, and now Newcastle is a bad thing for both football, and for the world. Because it is used as a way to make parts of the populations in the Western world feel more positively about these oppressive regimes.
Why would i defend that, j would say this:the uk government used uk tax payers money to bring the saudi family to power and they used that money to keep them in power,then the us took over and the us i keeping them in power,these human rights violations exist because of you ajd your government,kashuggi s father became rich by selling american weapons to iran(to get rid of the american vietnam era weapons and update them) and that is how the kashuggj family became close to salman and then he started opposibg them so they punished him,basicslly two thieves fought and the robbery was exposed,and he west is the root of it all.
@@SarahCharles92 Boycott US world cup in 2026 as well for their drone killings of children and killing millions in Iraq. That's worse than what Saudi have done.
I bet if they chopped up Ole he would have an opinion 🤣
He would of blamed Pogba
@@lukeryan5222 Wrong pundit buddy
@@snare5903 wrong pundit ..? Explain please...
That’s Graeme Souness
The way he just throws 'The killing a few years ago' at the end of his list shows exactly how they want this to work.
Desensitizing right in front of our eyes
Exactly. Gary Neville has just proven to us how sports washing works.
Ikr! Unexpected!
Not really. He wouldn't have mentioned it if he had been desensitized or wasn't bothered by it.
These guys are having fantastic sensible green up debates here. Actually, great to watch
Who takes the first step? That's important to me. It shows a desire to change and live in peace.
Gary Nevile > Boris Johnson 👍
Sad that a football player moves me more than the Prime Minister
"... you can't disagree with that point. I do disagree with it..." Gary channeling his inner Michael Owen there! 😆
Gary Neville has got a lot to say for someone that hasn't a clue what he's talking about
Knows more than the people running the country
@Adam Heer certainly does for a lot of them. Probably why people keep telling Neville to go into politics
Great hot-take from Gary Neville tbh. Measured outlook and personally think both sides to the argument have equal merits. The human rights records in these countries are horrific enough to boycott, and allowing them into sports like the Premier League, boxing etc. Does somewhat legitimise their actions.
However bringing them to the table, globally scrutinising and raising the difficult topics to everyday conversations is a powerful tool to drive change, and if these countries want financial longevity in a modern world, they'll reflect and make those changes.
People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. (Spoken like Ronnie Kray in Legend)
When did gary start working for BBC
I like gnev a lot as a pundit but mate stop football aint changing any countries political and human rights situation lol
Remember how the regime in S.A. was pushed into change, I'm sure sport played a part in that.
It's crazy that Gary Neville is the man of reason for most discourse in this country. Crazy times
Gary Neville truly spoke sense
"Never gonna change them overnight". Yes Gary, that is correct. But by NOT including them the pressure is on them to make the change. If they are already at the table there is LESS incentive for them to change. And they know it. As Nelson Mandela said, banning sporting contact with apartheid South Africa was a major difference-maker for regime change.
Russia becomes less democratic after the 2018 World Cup
China became less demicratic after the 2008 Olimpics
Germany became less democratic after the 1936 Olimpics
Owning Man City and PSG has not made the UAE or Qatar more democratic
Okay the Germany one was to prove to the world facism wasn’t bad so comparing it to the other 2 is a bit unfair🤣
@@YFB72 Why does that make it unfair? They all used sport for the purposes of political propaganda. They use it to legitimise their regimes & sportswash their human rights record.
Democracy without set of rights, duties and rules is just a mobcracy. Look at how West is falling and becoming non homogeneous every passing day.
Excellent section of the program. Well done lads 👏
A neutral here, West Ham fan actually.
Saudi do indeed have an appalling human rights record, but let's be serious here. None of the foreign bogeymen, be it Russia, Abu Dhabi or Saudi, could ever come close to the direct hand in warmongering, arms-dealing & just the general loss of life on a global scale than the UK & the US
Let's reeeally be honest about it & not vitriolic, there's something amiss with our priorities when it comes to geopolitics
Every government already working with them including the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 and the United States 🇺🇸 why not Newcastle?
Even in football, the Glazers are in bed with the Bush dynasty. Compared to that family of war criminals, the Saudi royals are Care Bears.
Keep politics out of sport. Talk about the football.
Candid points from Garry.
Gary neville is spreading the good word . Bless him .lead by your own example and shepherd the lambs when they are lost. It's time for the righteous to stand tall and shout the good word from the rooftops before its too late. LAST CHANCE TO SAVE OUR WORLD. THOSE WHO SEEK ONLY PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAIN MUST BE OVERTHROWN.
I wonder if Gary Neville would be open to a premier league side being state owned by North Korea. Carra should have asked him that to put him on the spot.
These people will even sell their mothers if the price is right.
@@virtuallimit8615 You guys sold your souls for Oil a long time ago.
Exactly. Judging by his logic, he’d be fine with the Taliban or ISIS buying a club as at least then it will shine a light on their actions. Just idiotic.
Gary really let his sky employee status do the talking in this video.
If you watch the video the host did mention that at 4:59 but it was kind of laughed off by Neville. To be fair it is ludicrous and couldn't happen because of sanctions.
All the owners of the prem clubs when they come in all say the same thing, they will help improve the area and make the city a better place(which they rarely do except a few). Why dont they use that money to actually improve their own areas/countries? It's all to just look good while the people who actually work to get them that money are in horrible conditions. It should be homegrown owners only.
tony bloom (a brighton local) bought into the club and got a great stadium built for almost 100m, i think he's one of those exceptions
Then you have to regulate the market heavily, which goes against the football market.
Should be fan owned only
What sort of table? Usually a water boarding over there!
I like that Neville has actually given this some thought, even if I disagree. The whole ownership model of football clubs is messed up, they shouldn't ever be state owned. The game for these guys is learning how to bend the financial fair play rules to gain an advantage. As abhorrent as the super league thing was, there is something to be said for each team having an even crack, wage caps, spending caps, a draft... all of the things people were immediately offended by, but at the core they are mechanisms to make it fairer. At the moment the Premier League is corrupt and not at all about the fans. But no-one complains because they think it's fine if their club has rich owners... just not if everyone else's does.
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Is there though? Look what a closed system has done in the NFL. The team's cease to have any association really with their area and are turned into a play thing of the owner, who then goes on to move his team around the country as he sees fit depending on if the city he's in will give him a new stadium or not. Kronkey already did it American with the rams I wonder if he'll feel that London has too many teams and that Bristol or Sheffield are massive markets without any sort of stable premier League presence
At the end there he talked about bringing these wayward countries into the fold, pressurising them to be a bit more like us through collaboration, until they too are progressive democracies. That 1000, 600 yrs ago we too did horrible things but we made it to being civilised etc. I'd say KSA, RUS etc don't want to be like us, at all. They want what we have, not how we practice basic human rights and democracy. Putin doesn't lose sleep about lacking the warm embrace of the British people, least of all Gary Neville.
Gary loves the sound of his own voice doesn't he?
If you watched the Overlap where that Man City fan spoke for about 3 mins straight and got cut off by Carragher you’d get an idea of what pundits / celebs actually think of fans.
None of that happens here when someone rants
I’m with Gary 100%!!!!! People these days they rather think of it “as it is” than discussing the issues first.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer comes to mind. Don’t you think
It’s going to get to a stage where unless you have multi billionaire owners, you have no chance. I just think the most amazing thing would to be to cap transfer fees and wages so everyone is on a level playing field
It’s already at that point, hence why Newcastle fans are so elated because they know there’s no other way to be successful
That's the only way for the league to be fair imo. Definitely should be a set salary cap.
Been saying that for ages there should at least be a wage budget so the best players don't just join a team because they can get mega money there, if just for example man u, Aston villa, Everton and Newcastle could all pay you a max amount it would be a even playing field because which ever club you picked you would get the same wages. Never happen though, I think football players have been overpaid for a long time like 300k a week who in the real world earns that, nobody
This only works if you evenly distribute television revenue though
Wage and transfer budgets sound ideal obviously, but in order to implement those every league in the world has to do the same otherwise all the top players just get driven out of the country because they can earn more elsewhere
Gary Neville knows current affairs like a badger understands long division
That’s not funny really is it
@@martindonaton3603 you could read that as a "serious" comment, would still read true
didnt sky put the joshua vs ruiz fight in saudi
“lol, Gary, park my yacht”
What a debate, so honest and brave. Well done lads, this is truly going to change the world, well done, fantastic 👏.
Knighthoods now!! Stunning and brave.
Newcastle won’t be competing for a title till 2026 the earliest people seem to forget that villa , Everton leicster and the top 6 clubs are still very rich. When chelsea and city were taken over the league wasn’t as competitive
No one is forgetting that the plan is 5years top 1/2 going for Europa and possibly champions league (longshot) then 6-10 years pushing top 5 . 🤞🏻
@@captainohcaptain9588 I’m sure that’s the owners plan but most of Twitter think they’ll get too 4 in 2024 ahahahah
Wolves owners also
Hoping to challenge for the title in the future is better than hoping not to get relegated every season
@@Kingpenguin94 never know might get lucky one season and everything goes to plan remember Leicester favorite to get relegated and win the league who knows
clearly Saudi Arabia didn't want to talk to Jamal Khashoggi.
Neville is out of his depth talking about politics. It clearly shows.
No he isn't. You just don't agree with him lol
Yo hear what he said about South Africa lmao. Mans got his facts wrong
@@mdu2486 i think he was talking about past events.
Where was all this when city got taken over?
Exactly, they are just jealous.
I mean Neville and Carragher were still players in 2008,
Chelsea and Man City takeovers happened in the 2000s. Social media was small back then
@@dendenn7383 who said anything about Neville and Carra? Sky existed in 2008 didn’t it?
City’s takeover was the reason ffp came in
Neville during Van Gaals and Mourinhos 2nd season "they need to be challenging strongly now and win a Premier league in next year or 2"
Neville during his best mates 3rd year in charge with Ronaldo, Pogba, Sancho, Varane, Cavani, Greenwood in the sqaud, "if they drop down to europa and win it and come 4th, it's a great season"
I wish there was a Charles Barkley type in football. Barkley was friends with Michael Jordan and he ended up critiquing him publicly on the basis in that he'll always say what's on his mind. Then Jordan stopped talking to him.
@@JC-lc5fo Isn't Roy Keane basically that?
Not really relevant to this video is it
@@taliamason7986 yeah your right, even as a United fan I think I just like Barkley more lol.
@@JC-lc5fo By the way I don't think Micheal Jordan has many friends anyway because he seems to take everything personally.
Better to have your enemy in front of you, than behind you!
WELL AT THE MOMENT THE ONLY ENEMY U HAVE IN FRONT OF U IS UR GOVERNMENT WHO FORCE U TO WEAR A MASK AND TO HAVE A VACCINE AND VACCINE PASSPORT
@@farouksadi6964 your ma
"Are you challenging me?" 😆
How much has the UAE’s human rights record been influenced since Man City ownership? Gary is way off. He has, for a change, taken the moral low ground. Disappointing after making such a great argument recently on the universal credit reduction.
As much as I disagree with him he’s a football pundit not a politician
Agree and the fact he just keeps mentioning human rights records and only brings up women's rights, LGBT and the journalist just shows he's really naive to what they actually do which is fund Wahabism across the world which is directly funding extremism. Started a war in Yemen blocking medicines from even being sent to the country leading to civilian deaths this is on a different scale to someone like Russia. I like Gary but this is a bad take and for the person who commented on this I'm not a politician and I know these things its just a bad take.
If we talking human rights, Abramovich spent millions for Israel to bomb Gaza....I mean no one raise that issue 🤔🤔
@@mrboast2826 Slightly different not saying Abramovich isn't a questionable at best despotic at worst but Ibrahmovich supports Israel he necessarily isn't paying them to go out and bomb Gaza. The same way just living in a country and paying taxes is not me saying I support the countless innocent people who were killed in wars perpetrated by the government.
@@TheChidmas if he sends money to Israel knowing what they do then yes he is as good as funding there bombing campaigns on the Gaza Strip.
Gary speaks like 21 year idealist. Sport can bring harmony?? We boo our own players for taken a knee. How do you say that with a straight face?
They're not our players, we have a choice to disagree
he didnt say everything is all perfect but we are striving or working progress
Taking the knee isn’t sport is it, it’s politics
Great conversation
I didn't think about it that way so fair play I think he has a point. Problems dont get fixed by ignoring them
I think we all know that human rights in the middle east leaves a lot to be desired. It doesn't make any difference to the British government when arms deals are worth billions and one or two MP's will come out from time ti time and make a statement on human rights but it means nothing when so much money is a stake. Ask any long life Newcastle fan if they care to much and a chance of some real success of winning trophies. Something Newcastle haven't won for along time since the old fairs cup in the sixties.
That’s what confuses me when Gary says that we need them at the table for conversation.
As though our government aren’t in deep connections with the Saudi government already?
Our state has plenty of communication with Saudi Arabia sports involvement aside
@@croftoc I have been saying this, every government in the world already working with them including The United Kingdom 🇬🇧 and the United States 🇺🇸. So why not Newcastle?
Love Gary but hes sounding more and more like a politician these days
I don’t get how everyone talks about human rights record- it’s not a record. It’s not the past. It’s the present
I think Gary is definitely the best sports presenter on tv by far on Newcastle I don't see a problem as a Manchester United fan the world is watching now 👀 you can't change the past but you can make the future better because we are all the same end of the day ✌️
this is the problem when you get footballer’s to talk about actual world problems.
Who should talk about it then?
Does being a footballer disqualify you from recognising a problem or having an opinion?
There is a class dynamic involved here.
@@fargodavilleitnotd6729 Disqualified you from taking on behalf of working class or middle class citizens. These are footballers on millions a year to be clear, not the average player in the football pyramid who very much know the struggle of normal life.
@@trtvitor1385 so the more you earn the less you know about your roots and the less experience you have to articulate opinion?
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@Live The life To be fair Gary had good points. Are you implying footballers cant give their political views even particularly when asked?
@UCSB5jL6WsiYkLVKK5zat-ag so if I won the lottery tomorrow would that disqailfy me from knowing about economical issues?
So Gary doesnt have friends or family or people he knows in Manchester? what you are saying is he doesnt now anything about the working class because he earnt a good wage?
nope still not making sense to my pea brain mate ;)
Well spoken, but naive from Gary
Exactly. He's making a very understandable point... If you're super naive about what KSA is doing here
Jamie Carragher never has an opinion on anything apart from Liverpool. He’s being employed by sky sport to basically just disagree with everything Gary Neville says
As a fan of neither club, I'd be interested to see how his viewpoint changes if Qatar buys Utd. I'd hope for his own integrity he manages to stay consistent.
Neville is actually spot on here, and Jamie is just out of his depth.
You cannot change anything by turning your back and ignoring it, our government (UK) has discussion with some pretty nasty terrorist groups constantly - be that direct or through intermediaries that's why it is very rare for the UK to be targeted by those groups.
It's very easy to take the moral high ground, but don't expect any change if your head is stuck in the sand.
Also every country in the world without exception has had some shady practices throughout their existence.
I think it's more just a case of Jamie playing Devil's advocate.
@samuelloification you've taken the wrong end of the stick out of my comment, my point isn't that we all do bad things to others - my point is you don't fix what's wrong by slamming the door in it's face, you have to engage with people and things you may not agree with otherwise nothing changes.
What Gary seems to be ignoring is that with all these questionable authorities mentioned here, they are making massive amounts of money through the Premier League. It's not a charity where people get together. Yes, he is right in they will be under the microscope a little more, but we are also funding their pockets to do more questionable things in the future.
why do you think other Billionaire buys football club, its to make money..lets not pretend other billionaire dont do questionable things.
@@Rook.Kaiser Greed at it's highest level
Sounds like Neville is trying for an M.B.E or something with this speech
I agree with Gary it can't change immediately overnight but eventually gradually things will get better. It's the direction that matters most and because of sports now we hope.