FIRST video I've come across so far, and I've been watching a LOT, that laid out what Matter actually is for someone with zero background knowledge and what's needed to start setting things up (i.e. my AppleTV4K as the central 'manager'). Thank you!
Thank you for explaining so clearly. (I just wish I had seen it two weeks ago). I recently attempted to begin a smart home experience by buying a light globe that I wanted to have turn on and off at a particular time. The salesperson in the store suggested a Nanoleaf globe (which was Matter enabled) and told me I would only need HomeKit which is on my 2015 Apple tv. I was able to set up the light globe through the Nanoleaf app, but when I tried to make the timer automation I discovered that this could only be done through Apple HomeKit which required a border router. I called the store where I had purchased the globe and the salesperson was unaware of the border router requirement. He suggested I call Apple Care, which I did. I spoke to a HomeKit specialist who was also not familiar with border thread router. I explained that from my research I had discovered that I would need to either spend $150 on a HomePod mini (the cheapest price in Australia), or a new Apple tv ( $250). I thought that this was ridiculous to spend that money to make a $30 light globe switch on and off automatically. I ended up returning the light globe.
to be honest, this should've been like this from the beginning if companies weren't so greedy. Matter changes everything and should be headache and more choice of smart device to buy :D
I think it needed to be a bit chaotic for competition to help build the infrastructure. There have been attempts to do this before. It's why we have had "works with" products.
7 months later. A Matter smart home explained: not that smart. If you’re already mostly configured with Zigbee, Zwave, etc, do not begin swapping out just to have Matter. It’s been badly implemented, with no real standardization, by the very companies that created this ‘standard’.
I would have never found that in a million years. Thank you! Now I wish Amazon would let me change my Network Name and Password on the site and then automatically update all of my Amazon Basic Smart Bulbs without having to reset EVERY one of them separately. (If there is a faster way to do that please let me know) Thanks again!
I’ve had this device for about a year and I really like it as a hub for the home. What I would wish for, would be a better Calendar system in it, or even a way to have the calendar remain as my screen constantly.
Thank you for this informative video. Now I have a clear indication of what smart products to buy. I can see thread products on the EVE app and hoping the one day there will be an app or apps that will show MATTER products in my home.
Thanks for breaking it down. I use LG ThinQ as my eco system. If I’m saying that right. LG doesn’t have a speaker or audio device that uses ThinQ but I did see i can add Matter compatible devices to my home eco system. So hoping to find a speaker to add to my home devices that I can control through the LG ThinQ app.
Hello can you try to use only one matter router and then setup a device as for me it’s interesting can we use matter routers from any brands kinda nest hub with Samsung eco system
My hub is Apple HomeKit via Apple TV, my home internet system router is a Unifi system via Dream Machine. Can I use Matter to connect my nest thermostat and smoke detector to HomeKit? If so, what other devices do I need?
I bought a Wiz bulb that said was getting a firmware update to support Matter, two months later it got it. It wasn’t connecting as a Matter device. So I bought an Orein bulb by Aidot with the Matter logo and that connected as a Matter device. However, I bought a Tapo smart outlet by TP-Link that has the Matter logo and that did not connect as a Matter device. I have two Echo Dot 3rd gen and one Echo Show 5. So it’s all over the place. Firmware is all up to date.
Matter Is still flaky, EVE matter out of the box plug here in the UK connected to the Nest Hub 2 keeps going offline more times than online, even with all the latest firmware?
I'm having issues were the Nanoleaf Essentials bulb keeps showing offline in SmartThings. It's working fine in Alexa though. Overall, it's frustrating.
Pretty lame that they don't make the basic echo a hub so you have to spend some money to get that feature even if you already have an echo. I do have the latest Apple TV however so I can use that. I'm assuming it can be used as a hub with Amazon compatible devices that are also matter compatible.
Thanks for the update. I have to admit, I'm still confused. Do I have to now change my ISP's wifi router to IPV6? Does the lead border router replace my ISP wifi router?? 😭😭 I'm confused.
Thanks for that simpler description, though it got a little murky around Thread. I wished that you had talked about the Thread Border Routers before the Leader, Routers and End Points, because without a Border Router the rest is useless. I don't know if Matter will become a worldwide standard as there is no mention of it on the Australian Google Store under smart displays. Looks like it's just the US and UK.
Hmm, sorry about that. Even though Matter has officially been released, they still need everyone to fully adopt it moving forward for it to get a foothold. If that doesn't happen in the US and UK, then the rest of the world was saved a headache. haha
@@SteveDOES your right, we should the conside the British and Americans as guinea pigs of the smart home world. But most of the time it never goes past the experimental stage.
Ok. I'm a huge smart device advocate and have been writing with things like Home assistant for years. Bluntly, boo on Matter. It is junk and poorly designed. A further sign that google has totally lost its way. Boo! When the smoke explanation is 8 minutes long and still leaves a long time technologist baffled it's junk. Even you look annoyed most of this video. Matter needs to not matter to users. Boo google. Get it together.
What has got me is that I will have to replace ALL my smart home stuff. This is a absolute joke. According to what I have read is Echo now supports Thread and Matter. But devices that are thread compatible as of yet will not connect to my Echo which is now a thread border router. I have three Nanoleaf Essential Bulbs which will work with my updated Echo. I cannot afford to replace these. So frustrating, it seems Matter is just away for companies to make more money.
@@SmartHomeHASHTAGS I find using a WiFi / Cloud system it can be a bit hit and miss with reliability. I find it frustrating that a new protocol comes along and you can’t use it. Instead to use it you have to replace the tech you have. Even with a mesh system the problems still exist, bulbs offline, devices unresponsive, rebooting the device. It can all be a pain in the ass. 😂🤣😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
At this point, i wouldn't buy a new product just for Matter. If everything is working now, stick with it. Also keep in mind that brands will be updating SOME devices to be Matter compatible.
@@SteveDOESThank you for the reply it was very much appreciated. I have just ordered a second HomePod Mini for the Nanoleaf bulb in my moms reading light to connect too so she can turn it on and off, I hope thread connectivity will improve the reliability of this for her. Still going keep the Amazon Echo & Dots. Got a mixed bag of smart home gadgets. My Yeelight bulbs will not be updated to matter, the Hue bulbs I am not sure about, Tapo smart plugs aren’t going to be updated, Not sure about Govee. The Nanoleaf Essentials Matter bulbs from what they have told me will need a Nanoleaf light fitting with a built in border router for the bulbs to work with Alexa. Matter was supposed to make things easier, it’s fast becoming a cash cow. I won’t be buying anything else until this does what they promised. 👍🏻👍🏻 But I was thinking about getting Aquara🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔.
Doesn't solve the issue of needing a connection to servers to make devices work. Someday google/Amazon will ask for a monthly fee for the service, and someday the service itself will close. Home assistant is still not very good for regular users
To be honest, all of those things sound very much like the same things that were originally announced with Zigbee, than IFTT, then CHoIP and now matter. Smart home is a goddamn mess
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You don't have to worry about what connects to what. You have to think Thread not Matter. Thread just treat as Zigbee's bastard step brother. More devices better mesh. Onvis has a Thread Smart plug thats Matter for $10 a pop. Buy a 4 pack of those and just as you would plug a smart plug in different rooms for zigbee, do the same with Thread. Matter over wifi devices, you just treat like any other wifi device, except they are universal you NEVER need to bother with a brands app.
Absolutely true. For the things supported I chose Samsung Smartthings and now all my devices talk to each other, are automated and routined. The Thread Router for me is my Samsung Q990C Soundbar, but my TV can be one too but not required. Smartthings automaticallys keeps the devices up to date by regularly checking for firmware updates, which is great for me because I can completely ditch Eve, Nanoleaf, Govee........all horrible apps :) I'm up to 98 Matter devices and he's absolutely correct about 'self healing', when something goes wrong, rarely, with my network, the Thread Hub starts contacting them in the most efficient manner to get them back online. ZERO CLOUD involvement
I would have never found that in a million years. Thank you! Now I wish Amazon would let me change my Network Name and Password on the site and then automatically update all of my Amazon Basic Smart Bulbs without having to reset EVERY one of them separately. (If there is a faster way to do that please let me know) Thanks again!
FIRST video I've come across so far, and I've been watching a LOT, that laid out what Matter actually is for someone with zero background knowledge and what's needed to start setting things up (i.e. my AppleTV4K as the central 'manager'). Thank you!
Great summary! That really helps to understand the various parts of A Matter system.
Thanks Larry.
Thank you for explaining so clearly. (I just wish I had seen it two weeks ago). I recently attempted to begin a smart home experience by buying a light globe that I wanted to have turn on and off at a particular time. The salesperson in the store suggested a Nanoleaf globe (which was Matter enabled) and told me I would only need HomeKit which is on my 2015 Apple tv.
I was able to set up the light globe through the Nanoleaf app, but when I tried to make the timer automation I discovered that this could only be done through Apple HomeKit which required a border router. I called the store where I had purchased the globe and the salesperson was unaware of the border router requirement. He suggested I call Apple Care, which I did. I spoke to a HomeKit specialist who was also not familiar with border thread router. I explained that from my research I had discovered that I would need to either spend $150 on a HomePod mini (the cheapest price in Australia), or a new Apple tv ( $250). I thought that this was ridiculous to spend that money to make a $30 light globe switch on and off automatically. I ended up returning the light globe.
to be honest, this should've been like this from the beginning if companies weren't so greedy. Matter changes everything and should be headache and more choice of smart device to buy :D
I think it needed to be a bit chaotic for competition to help build the infrastructure. There have been attempts to do this before. It's why we have had "works with" products.
7 months later. A Matter smart home explained: not that smart. If you’re already mostly configured with Zigbee, Zwave, etc, do not begin swapping out just to have Matter. It’s been badly implemented, with no real standardization, by the very companies that created this ‘standard’.
Totally. It stinks of price fixing to me.
I agree but I will add, get a matter/zigbee/zwave/bluetooth/thread hub/gateway (as an upgrade) and you'll be just fine.
I would have never found that in a million years. Thank you! Now I wish Amazon would let me change my Network Name and Password on the site and then automatically update all of my Amazon Basic Smart Bulbs without having to reset EVERY one of them separately. (If there is a faster way to do that please let me know) Thanks again!
I’ve had this device for about a year and I really like it as a hub for the home. What I would wish for, would be a better Calendar system in it, or even a way to have the calendar remain as my screen constantly.
Apple TV 4K is a thread border router? Which generation would that be? Thank you
I read that it's the 2021 and 2022 models.
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Thank you for this informative video. Now I have a clear indication of what smart products to buy. I can see thread products on the EVE app and hoping the one day there will be an app or apps that will show MATTER products in my home.
Does this get rid of the need of having multiple hubs?
Great video and very informative.
Thanks for breaking it down. I use LG ThinQ as my eco system. If I’m saying that right. LG doesn’t have a speaker or audio device that uses ThinQ but I did see i can add Matter compatible devices to my home eco system. So hoping to find a speaker to add to my home devices that I can control through the LG ThinQ app.
So, that means that if I have a matter abled device, I do not need a "dongle" like zwave or zigbee, if I do not care for thread support?
Hello can you try to use only one matter router and then setup a device as for me it’s interesting can we use matter routers from any brands kinda nest hub with Samsung eco system
My hub is Apple HomeKit via Apple TV, my home internet system router is a Unifi system via Dream Machine. Can I use Matter to connect my nest thermostat and smoke detector to HomeKit? If so, what other devices do I need?
What you think about Homey?
I haven't used Homey, so i don't have much to say about it.
Great video on matter. I have more of an understanding on how matter works. Looking forward to more videos. Thanks
Happy to hear that!
Hi Thanks for a great video.
You show that Matter have to use wifi Thread or Bluetooth ,
But how can Hue Them be Matter compatible?
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Share a list of matter products that would be great
Just added a link in the description of compatible devices from The Verge.
Here's that link bit.ly/3W506rI
@@SteveDOES thanks reading now cheeers
I bought a Wiz bulb that said was getting a firmware update to support Matter, two months later it got it. It wasn’t connecting as a Matter device. So I bought an Orein bulb by Aidot with the Matter logo and that connected as a Matter device. However, I bought a Tapo smart outlet by TP-Link that has the Matter logo and that did not connect as a Matter device. I have two Echo Dot 3rd gen and one Echo Show 5. So it’s all over the place. Firmware is all up to date.
Matter Is still flaky, EVE matter out of the box plug here in the UK connected to the Nest Hub 2 keeps going offline more times than online, even with all the latest firmware?
I'm having issues were the Nanoleaf Essentials bulb keeps showing offline in SmartThings. It's working fine in Alexa though. Overall, it's frustrating.
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It would’ve been good to talk about Matter without Thread. Are hubs/routers needed, etc?
Pretty lame that they don't make the basic echo a hub so you have to spend some money to get that feature even if you already have an echo. I do have the latest Apple TV however so I can use that. I'm assuming it can be used as a hub with Amazon compatible devices that are also matter compatible.
Do Zigbee and Zwave convert to Thread tech? or do we need to buy new devices?
If you have to ask “do we need to buy new devices” then the answer will always be ‘Yes’.
Thanks for the update. I have to admit, I'm still confused. Do I have to now change my ISP's wifi router to IPV6? Does the lead border router replace my ISP wifi router?? 😭😭 I'm confused.
No, you don't need to change your ISP's WiFi router. You can just add a Thread Border router to your current setup. No need to replace anything.
@@SteveDOESSorry, just seeing this now (??) Anyway, thanks, THAT now makes more sense to me. Learning curve 😬
Whether it works or not, the feds need to see this.
Sooooo... Matter is a kind of Zigbee type of network??
Drat! A system error has led to the transaction being sent to an invalid email address.
Thanks for that simpler description, though it got a little murky around Thread. I wished that you had talked about the Thread Border Routers before the Leader, Routers and End Points, because without a Border Router the rest is useless.
I don't know if Matter will become a worldwide standard as there is no mention of it on the Australian Google Store under smart displays.
Looks like it's just the US and UK.
Hmm, sorry about that.
Even though Matter has officially been released, they still need everyone to fully adopt it moving forward for it to get a foothold. If that doesn't happen in the US and UK, then the rest of the world was saved a headache. haha
@@SteveDOES your right, we should the conside the British and Americans as guinea pigs of the smart home world. But most of the time it never goes past the experimental stage.
Martin Light
Ok. I'm a huge smart device advocate and have been writing with things like Home assistant for years. Bluntly, boo on Matter. It is junk and poorly designed. A further sign that google has totally lost its way. Boo! When the smoke explanation is 8 minutes long and still leaves a long time technologist baffled it's junk. Even you look annoyed most of this video. Matter needs to not matter to users. Boo google. Get it together.
So matter doesn’t matter yet. 😅
No it doesn't. And it's only available in the US and UK. 🤷
As a Matter of fact, you're correct. ;)
What has got me is that I will have to replace ALL my smart home stuff. This is a absolute joke. According to what I have read is Echo now supports Thread and Matter. But devices that are thread compatible as of yet will not connect to my Echo which is now a thread border router. I have three Nanoleaf Essential Bulbs which will work with my updated Echo. I cannot afford to replace these. So frustrating, it seems Matter is just away for companies to make more money.
ONLY if you want Matter do you have to replace your smart home stuff.
The way your controlling your devices will continue.
@@SmartHomeHASHTAGS I find using a WiFi / Cloud system it can be a bit hit and miss with reliability. I find it frustrating that a new protocol comes along and you can’t use it. Instead to use it you have to replace the tech you have. Even with a mesh system the problems still exist, bulbs offline, devices unresponsive, rebooting the device. It can all be a pain in the ass. 😂🤣😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
At this point, i wouldn't buy a new product just for Matter. If everything is working now, stick with it. Also keep in mind that brands will be updating SOME devices to be Matter compatible.
@@SteveDOESThank you for the reply it was very much appreciated.
I have just ordered a second HomePod Mini for the Nanoleaf bulb in my moms reading light to connect too so she can turn it on and off, I hope thread connectivity will improve the reliability of this for her. Still going keep the Amazon Echo & Dots. Got a mixed bag of smart home gadgets. My Yeelight bulbs will not be updated to matter, the Hue bulbs I am not sure about, Tapo smart plugs aren’t going to be updated, Not sure about Govee. The Nanoleaf Essentials Matter bulbs from what they have told me will need a Nanoleaf light fitting with a built in border router for the bulbs to work with Alexa.
Matter was supposed to make things easier, it’s fast becoming a cash cow. I won’t be buying anything else until this does what they promised. 👍🏻👍🏻 But I was thinking about getting Aquara🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔.
Tuya platform already unifies many devices.
True that, brother.
Doesn't solve the issue of needing a connection to servers to make devices work. Someday google/Amazon will ask for a monthly fee for the service, and someday the service itself will close. Home assistant is still not very good for regular users
To be honest, all of those things sound very much like the same things that were originally announced with Zigbee, than IFTT, then CHoIP and now matter. Smart home is a goddamn mess
it doesn't matter
Jonathan Fords
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Am learning that Matter is a lie. It DOES require an Internet connection to work, especially if using Google Nest hubs as controllers.
You don't have to worry about what connects to what. You have to think Thread not Matter. Thread just treat as Zigbee's bastard step brother. More devices better mesh. Onvis has a Thread Smart plug thats Matter for $10 a pop. Buy a 4 pack of those and just as you would plug a smart plug in different rooms for zigbee, do the same with Thread. Matter over wifi devices, you just treat like any other wifi device, except they are universal you NEVER need to bother with a brands app.
Matter will be confusing for the everyday person. Not all Matter will be thread.
Well it literally can’t lets say matter is working as it should right now (it’s not)video cameras are gonna be matter over wifi
@@Vanamonde96 I don't know what you are trying to say. Video camera's are not matter devices so not relevant.
one ring to rule them all. Dont fall for it. Give this tech ten years it hasnt even hatche from the egg yet
Abner Run
Too much unbaked tech out there, too many apps, and too much change. Matter seems to be a step forward to change that.
Absolutely true. For the things supported I chose Samsung Smartthings and now all my devices talk to each other, are automated and routined. The Thread Router for me is my Samsung Q990C Soundbar, but my TV can be one too but not required. Smartthings automaticallys keeps the devices up to date by regularly checking for firmware updates, which is great for me because I can completely ditch Eve, Nanoleaf, Govee........all horrible apps :) I'm up to 98 Matter devices and he's absolutely correct about 'self healing', when something goes wrong, rarely, with my network, the Thread Hub starts contacting them in the most efficient manner to get them back online. ZERO CLOUD involvement
I would have never found that in a million years. Thank you! Now I wish Amazon would let me change my Network Name and Password on the site and then automatically update all of my Amazon Basic Smart Bulbs without having to reset EVERY one of them separately. (If there is a faster way to do that please let me know) Thanks again!