Mo, you are the man. I recently found a radical staffer in Colorado springs and his drilling has improved my pin count drastically. Keep up the great work.
Very informative been using a lot of 5x4x3 and like it fine but run into those flat tens after a while, Use to switch to 5x3x1 ball that would carry that shot later on in the block that ball cracked and i never replaced i will now, I can see clearly Thank You!
Hi Mo! Great Video on the dreaded 10 pin leave. As a senior bowler at 78 years league bowling the last 2 years. Since I last bowled 45 years ago, I am learning there is a huge amount of both technology and language out there. You video mentions many terms I am not yet familiar with. Let me get to my issue before understanding the terms you used. I start my approach on the second row of arrows from the back. My strike target is the 13-15 board from my approach left foot on the 27 board. My ball is a pin up "Storm" 14.8 pound ball 3 fingered aggressive. It hooks nicely when everything is in sync. I am averaging about 160 with my high game 244. My first 2 games in league play yesterday had but one 10 pin leave per game. I converted each. My third game, I left 7 frames of 10 with the 6 and 10 pin combination standing solid on my first ball. Can you help me understand what caused this please?
Hi, I have a low rev of around 175 and speed of 12.5 to 13. Reduced my speed coz have a back pain problem. Wanting to purchase the Radical Zing. Can u a suggest a layout please with a very strong backend. I have 7 flat tens out of 10 shot
Can someone (preferably someone-s) explain to me what *exactly* he meant by "look closer to the foul line" and what *action* he's suggesting to take. I sometimes start off throwing strikes the first game or two, then start leaving "ringing-10 pins" with ridiculous consistency. Sometimes my adjustments help, sometimes not so much.
He’s saying you need to look closer at your ball release, as in the exact moment and board placement you are releasing. Are you staying consistently in that 2-ish board window? And if so, are you still consistently leaving 10s? If so, Look closer, cause for you… it’s adjustment time. And you need to be able to know which adjustment to make. If moving a couple right/left doesn’t work, then it’s a speed change up you likely need. But in order to figure out, you need to first diagnose the issue; that is, look closer at the foul line. A lot of folks tend to look down lane, whether the arrows or even further down where they visualize the hook/roll-break point. They overlook the problem area, quite literally, under their nose-the entry board.
@@somedude5771 No, he actually is saying to move the target point you look at closer to the foul line. Depite looking at the arrows or dots...etc. Most people ACTUALLY look farther down the lane at the breakpoint they are shooting for as they release, I do intentionally to get more length. To get the ball back into the 1-3 and avoid gong that little bit long (too much skid), bring the final spot you look toward the foul line a couple feet. you will probably slow the ball up half a MPH, trasition to roll a bit earlier, and carry better
Long story short by looking at your target point for example say 6 or more inches back in the direction of the foul lane will cause you to get the ball on the lane a little sooner and yeah that little adjustment,you will see a different reaction down lane..... experiment in a practice game....if you are one that targets the arrows..then throw several balls that way and pay close attention where and how the ball reacts....then target the dots .. those that a before the arrows ...not the ones at the foul line...then once you get of feel for what area to play round the dots..then maybe for giggles target the dots at the foul line....either way you should notice major differences how your ball reacts based on where you release it....and of course it goes without saying lane conditions are always a factor regardless....hope this helps....
@@charlieodom9107 The you haven't bowled enough LOL. I see righties leave stone 8's all the time... including myself... and we're all high avg bowlers (210+).
@@Haystack65 sorry, but the guys I bowl with don't leave the 8. I only see very low rev bowlers or bowlers trying to hook the whole lane leaving the 8. They don't bowl with our league. I could see the 8 being left on dry lanes or where there a very high ratio, but our shot is a 26ml
VAL angle? Ball up? I guess I have a lot to learn because this video really confused me. I probably leave 10-15 ten-pins a series on a bad night and have no idea how to fix it. Watched several videos and once in a while I improve, but I don't really know what I did right. My average slipped Friday to (maybe?) a 168 if I'm lucky. Lifetime best game/series - 265/611 Do I need to have my balls redrilled?
val is vertical axis line its the line that you pap is on (positive axis point) a pap is your thumb print its you as a bowler everyone has a different one based on how you release the ball and your axis tilt my val and pap will be different then someone else.
Ball up as in switch to a stronger, harder hooking ball. Usually when you move in it's because you're hooking too much and going through the nose or Brooklyn so you would think a weaker ball would be the move but if it finds that lake of oil in the middle, it's not going to work. You need to not only move in but also go to a stronger ball
It is a LOT more pins than that! Every spare turned into a strike is equivalent to 11 pins count, so 2 a game equates to 66 count. If you are on a double, and suppose you double after the supposed miss, that single pin turns into a 21 pin differential. Example: X X 9/ = 69 vs X X X = 90 This is assuming strikes after the miss frame. I always tell my dad and other league bowlers that spares at our level are far more important than strikes, since the difference between a 170 average and a 200 average is only open frames. I have never bowled a clean set and not averaged 200 minimum, but even 1 open a game and I struggle to series 600, unless I catch a string of strikes.
I believe Mo is talking about 2 different things here. 1) To kick out corner pins, low tilt players should move their eyes closer to the line. High tilt players should use equipment that utilizes a smaller VAL angle. 2) When lanes burn up (transition), ALL style players should use a stronger rock when moving in, provided the house has lanes dressed with higher volume to the inside of the lane, as Mo stresses (but still keeping the principles outlined above in mind for kicking out corners).
@@lazyarrow But if I am low tilt and already using a smaller VAL angle ball and it starts to flat 10, then do I ball down and stay where I am to restore energy down-lane that my current ball is burning up?
@@nordattack Sorry, I misread your comment earlier. As a higher tracker myself, that is one of the adjustments I make. Another option is to move just right (for a righty), making sure speed stays firm. And yet another option, is to move just a little left (for a righty), staying soft with the fingers at the bottom of the swing. All depends on your comfort/skill level.
@@lazyarrow Tonight in league I was leaving a legion of flat 10 pins due to my strong ball burning up. I did not have an appropriate ball down option. So I finally just kept everything the same and rushed the line and winged up my target line. Now I was getting the 10 out. I am a Full Roller with zero tilt.
@@nordattack Most full rollers have it hard at times, as moving in toward the inside of the lane is not really an option, as their ball roll does not have the ability to bank left off the dry. I drill for quite a few full rollers, and most want the strongest, most aggressive balls on the market, thinking it'll give them the most hook (when often it's burning up too soon, especially as the oil dissipates after game 1). Their bag almost always consists of high end equipment (asyms). I recently convinced an older gentleman full roller, a really good shooter who still averages in the 220s, to try a "weaker" ball (Storm Hyroad-X). To his pleasant surprise, ball went slightly farther down the lane, but when it moved toward the pocket it had authority and went through the pins well. He nearly shot an 800 out of the box. Sometimes less is more. Nice adjustment, by the way.
I know this is an ancient comment but this was just around a year before his death and you're also looking at a guy that suffered major injuries in several drag racing crashes. I was fortunate enough to meet him and talk with him a bit back in his AMF days. Brilliant guy.
The only way to leave a 5 is to get a major deflection at the pocket. I mean MAJOR! you have to either have zero rotation, zero angle, or a light ball to leave the 5 pin. Very rarely do I see bowlers with any kind of hook leaving the 5 pin. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last 5 pin I have left, and I bowl 3-4 days a week year round! I leave plenty of (lefty) stone 8, 7 pins, 3-7-9, 4-7, etc, but if I have left a 5 pin, it was so long ago that I can't even recall when it was.
The world of bowling has lost a brilliant man with Mo’s passing. RIP Mo. I’m sure I speak for most when I say we learned a ton from you.
It's too bad I discovered him after his passing. I would have loved to meet him.
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@@shedwrightoutdoors204 same here
@@shedwrightoutdoors204 he was a WILD smart man, he drilled a few for me when he was in Raleigh NC
I didn’t know he passed away 😢
The knowledge you have and the way yiu explain it.... I have learned more in 20 minutes than I have in the last month.
This guy needs to write a book. 📚
These YT vids are better than a book
@@mpawli10 Yep watching videos is much more understandable than reading books
Please never stop making mo Monday's!
Imagine the difference an hour with this bloke would make to your game....just 1 hour
Mo, you are the man. I recently found a radical staffer in Colorado springs and his drilling has improved my pin count drastically. Keep up the great work.
'Small craft warnings' comment is priceless!!!
I love this guy. Very helpful video.
Awesome video content here, overlooked aspect of knowing what to do with modern lane transitions
Love that comment, "Decide and repeat."
Great video Mo! Very helpful
Very informative been using a lot of 5x4x3 and like it fine but run into those flat tens after a while, Use to switch to 5x3x1 ball that would carry that shot later on in the block that ball cracked and i never replaced i will now, I can see clearly Thank You!
Hi Mo! Great Video on the dreaded 10 pin leave. As a senior bowler at 78 years league bowling the last 2 years. Since I last bowled 45 years ago, I am learning there is a huge amount of both technology and language out there. You video mentions many terms I am not yet familiar with. Let me get to my issue before understanding the terms you used.
I start my approach on the second row of arrows from the back. My strike target is the 13-15 board from my approach left foot on the 27 board. My ball is a pin up "Storm" 14.8 pound ball 3 fingered aggressive. It hooks nicely when everything is in sync. I am averaging about 160 with my high game 244. My first 2 games in league play yesterday had but one 10 pin leave per game. I converted each. My third game, I left 7 frames of 10 with the 6 and 10 pin combination standing solid on my first ball. Can you help me understand what caused this please?
Go Mo!
Who are the 11 degenerates who had nothing better to do than to hit the thumbs down on this brilliant tutorial?
Storm reps!
When I’m throwing I look at the break point iv never looked anywhere else 🤷🏾♂️
"Don't be afraid to ball up when you have to move in".
What did Mo mean by this as far as "BALL UP?"
More aggressive bowl
Can you make a video for ppl like me who track between the fingers and thumb holes please???
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this guy knows his shit
Mo I was wondering what happens when you leave a ringing 10 Pin I did that five times in League last night
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@@RadicalBowling wow your reply is a link the same video that I already watched
@@elr2141979 we know, give it another watch and "look closer". Mo gives valuable advice to reduce the amount of 10 pins.
@@RadicalBowling LOL,in this video he calls me regular......low track players are rare as here
I had 5 in my 3rd game of league last night
Hi, I have a low rev of around 175 and speed of 12.5 to 13. Reduced my speed coz have a back pain problem. Wanting to purchase the Radical Zing. Can u a suggest a layout please with a very strong backend. I have 7 flat tens out of 10 shot
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Thanks...great help!
Good stuff
Can someone (preferably someone-s) explain to me what *exactly* he meant by "look closer to the foul line" and what *action* he's suggesting to take.
I sometimes start off throwing strikes the first game or two, then start leaving "ringing-10 pins" with ridiculous consistency. Sometimes my adjustments help, sometimes not so much.
He’s saying you need to look closer at your ball release, as in the exact moment and board placement you are releasing. Are you staying consistently in that 2-ish board window? And if so, are you still consistently leaving 10s? If so, Look closer, cause for you… it’s adjustment time. And you need to be able to know which adjustment to make. If moving a couple right/left doesn’t work, then it’s a speed change up you likely need. But in order to figure out, you need to first diagnose the issue; that is, look closer at the foul line.
A lot of folks tend to look down lane, whether the arrows or even further down where they visualize the hook/roll-break point. They overlook the problem area, quite literally, under their nose-the entry board.
@@somedude5771 No, he actually is saying to move the target point you look at closer to the foul line. Depite looking at the arrows or dots...etc. Most people ACTUALLY look farther down the lane at the breakpoint they are shooting for as they release, I do intentionally to get more length. To get the ball back into the 1-3 and avoid gong that little bit long (too much skid), bring the final spot you look toward the foul line a couple feet. you will probably slow the ball up half a MPH, trasition to roll a bit earlier, and carry better
Long story short by looking at your target point for example say 6 or more inches back in the direction of the foul lane will cause you to get the ball on the lane a little sooner and yeah that little adjustment,you will see a different reaction down lane..... experiment in a practice game....if you are one that targets the arrows..then throw several balls that way and pay close attention where and how the ball reacts....then target the dots .. those that a before the arrows ...not the ones at the foul line...then once you get of feel for what area to play round the dots..then maybe for giggles target the dots at the foul line....either way you should notice major differences how your ball reacts based on where you release it....and of course it goes without saying lane conditions are always a factor regardless....hope this helps....
Next Video: The Stone 8
A righty shouldn't be leaving a stone 8! Stone 9, yes, but I have not seen a stone 8 pocket leave from a righty.
@@charlieodom9107 The you haven't bowled enough LOL. I see righties leave stone 8's all the time... including myself... and we're all high avg bowlers (210+).
@@Haystack65 sorry, but the guys I bowl with don't leave the 8. I only see very low rev bowlers or bowlers trying to hook the whole lane leaving the 8. They don't bowl with our league. I could see the 8 being left on dry lanes or where there a very high ratio, but our shot is a 26ml
@@charlieodom9107 you can literally go find hours worth of professionals leaving pocket 8s. Pull your finger out of your ass
Charlie Odom. Watch the video of Randy Pedersen leaving the Solid 8 and Ernie brags
What does ball up mean?
What does Mo mean by "ball up"? Could someone define this phrase for me? Thank you!
Use a stronger ball
@@sspwang8013 Ah, that makes sense, thank you! That whole section at the end is mch more clear now. I appreciate your response.
VAL angle? Ball up? I guess I have a lot to learn because this video really confused me. I probably leave 10-15 ten-pins a series on a bad night and have no idea how to fix it. Watched several videos and once in a while I improve, but I don't really know what I did right. My average slipped Friday to (maybe?) a 168 if I'm lucky. Lifetime best game/series - 265/611 Do I need to have my balls redrilled?
I agree
Although I am a 190 195 bowler.
Never heard of V.A.L.
val is vertical axis line its the line that you pap is on (positive axis point) a pap is your thumb print its you as a bowler everyone has a different one based on how you release the ball and your axis tilt my val and pap will be different then someone else.
What he meant by bowl up?
Ball up as in switch to a stronger, harder hooking ball. Usually when you move in it's because you're hooking too much and going through the nose or Brooklyn so you would think a weaker ball would be the move but if it finds that lake of oil in the middle, it's not going to work. You need to not only move in but also go to a stronger ball
To carry ten pins in a three-game set is equivalent to as much as 42 pins in your series maybe more if you were to miss them if you had to shoot him
It is a LOT more pins than that! Every spare turned into a strike is equivalent to 11 pins count, so 2 a game equates to 66 count.
If you are on a double, and suppose you double after the supposed miss, that single pin turns into a 21 pin differential.
Example: X X 9/ = 69 vs X X X = 90
This is assuming strikes after the miss frame.
I always tell my dad and other league bowlers that spares at our level are far more important than strikes, since the difference between a 170 average and a 200 average is only open frames. I have never bowled a clean set and not averaged 200 minimum, but even 1 open a game and I struggle to series 600, unless I catch a string of strikes.
Kinda complicated. Just tell me to move 2 boards to the right or to the left.
So High Tilt player's move their eyes but Low Tilt Players have to change ball?
I believe Mo is talking about 2 different things here.
1) To kick out corner pins, low tilt players should move their eyes closer to the line. High tilt players should use equipment that utilizes a smaller VAL angle.
2) When lanes burn up (transition), ALL style players should use a stronger rock when moving in, provided the house has lanes dressed with higher volume to the inside of the lane, as Mo stresses (but still keeping the principles outlined above in mind for kicking out corners).
@@lazyarrow But if I am low tilt and already using a smaller VAL angle ball and it starts to flat 10, then do I ball down and stay where I am to restore energy down-lane that my current ball is burning up?
@@nordattack Sorry, I misread your comment earlier.
As a higher tracker myself, that is one of the adjustments I make.
Another option is to move just right (for a righty), making sure speed stays firm.
And yet another option, is to move just a little left (for a righty), staying soft with the fingers at the bottom of the swing.
All depends on your comfort/skill level.
@@lazyarrow Tonight in league I was leaving a legion of flat 10 pins due to my strong ball burning up. I did not have an appropriate ball down option. So I finally just kept everything the same and rushed the line and winged up my target line. Now I was getting the 10 out. I am a Full Roller with zero tilt.
@@nordattack Most full rollers have it hard at times, as moving in toward the inside of the lane is not really an option, as their ball roll does not have the ability to bank left off the dry.
I drill for quite a few full rollers, and most want the strongest, most aggressive balls on the market, thinking it'll give them the most hook (when often it's burning up too soon, especially as the oil dissipates after game 1). Their bag almost always consists of high end equipment (asyms).
I recently convinced an older gentleman full roller, a really good shooter who still averages in the 220s, to try a "weaker" ball (Storm Hyroad-X). To his pleasant surprise, ball went slightly farther down the lane, but when it moved toward the pocket it had authority and went through the pins well. He nearly shot an 800 out of the box.
Sometimes less is more.
Nice adjustment, by the way.
what does ballup mean
Ball up = Choose a ball that is more aggressive than the one you just threw.
I can’t shoot this pin I gutter every single time 😆
Pin down throw the ball harder and close your angles. Game over 10 pins dread me I don't dread 10 pins. Never had an issue with them
J
This guy looks so worn out it's as if he just left 50 10 pins in a row
I know this is an ancient comment but this was just around a year before his death and you're also looking at a guy that suffered major injuries in several drag racing crashes. I was fortunate enough to meet him and talk with him a bit back in his AMF days. Brilliant guy.
I don’t understand what he’s saying. Definitely too advanced in terminology for newer hook players.
And when you throw the ball straight to the pocket and miss alittle you will leave the 5 pin almost everytime.
The only way to leave a 5 is to get a major deflection at the pocket. I mean MAJOR! you have to either have zero rotation, zero angle, or a light ball to leave the 5 pin. Very rarely do I see bowlers with any kind of hook leaving the 5 pin. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last 5 pin I have left, and I bowl 3-4 days a week year round!
I leave plenty of (lefty) stone 8, 7 pins, 3-7-9, 4-7, etc, but if I have left a 5 pin, it was so long ago that I can't even recall when it was.
You buying the beer?