Starship’s Third Flight // Schrodinger’s Voyager // Start of Milkdromeda
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Starship reaches orbit in a new test, NASA regains contact with Voyager 1 (sort of), are the Milky Way and Andromeda already exchanging stars, and two new incredible images to replace your desktop wallpaper.
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00:00 Intro
00:18 Starship IFT-3
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06:38 Voyager-1 not dead yet
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08:03 Did Milkdromeda already start forming?
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10:30 White Dwarfs
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13:15 Vote results
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13:58 Painting telescopes black
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16:50 Amazing images
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19:36 Cyborg jellyfish
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21:26 Even more space news
22:24 Distances and time
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Editing: Artem Pozdnyakov
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That plasma recording on starships re entry was aaaaawesome! 🔥
I an rooting for V ger!
The project is almost as old as I am!
Have to love all the possibilities that Voyager may indeed be interacting with an alien life form....as far fetched as it seems it is so much fun having watched the Star Trek episode so many years ago!
Hey, I know what's REALLY going on.
I've seen the Twilight Zone episode "Nightmare at 20000 feet" with WIlliam Shatner......and the John Lithgow portrayal in the Twilight Zone movie.
The Truth is Out There
Voyager might be trying to reply with "eliminate all biological infestation units'.
hey fraser, i actually got to see IFT-3 in person! thanks for the content, you rock!
"Water dynamics? Aqua Dynamics?" It's actually hydrodynamics, lol. I'm sure you remember electrohydrodynamics which are the hydrodynamics electrically charged fluids (such as plasma)
20:33
He’s Canadian, where electricity is known as hydro.
Thank you. I came into the comments to see if someone said hydrodynamics. 😂
I don't think so. I think this actually points to us using the word aerodynamics wrong. Aerodynamics shouldn't mean faster in the air. Aerodynamics could be a lot of things. Aerodynamics doesn't mean streamlined.
I think hydrodynamics would be wrong as well. There's probably a better word than streamlined for what we think of when we say aerodynamics but Google is of no help.
Streamlined definition - contoured to reduce resistance to motion through a fluid (such as air).
After a bit of a rabbit hole I think this is the answer but I'm going to bed now.
V-ger is coming back to earth............. I saw it in a documentary called Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Lol
Voyager 6 was not yet launched, so how could it come back to earth?
Once Starship attempts re-entry at the correct attitude, they actually may be able to maintain communication all the way down -- because of how large Ship is, there would apparently be an avenue for radio communications.
At the time, Tim Dodd speculated that the hot gas control thrusters -- which as I understand it were using gases from the engine, rather than hypergolics or just cold nitrogen thrusters -- may have iced over, affecting control. If that's what happened, and it seem plausible to me (but what do I know), that could be a very easy fix with a bolted-on heater, or the adoption of a more conventional attitude control thruster system.
I think if they had attitude control of the Ship, we would have had the reignite test, and we would have had a proper test of the heat shields.
It would be really interesting to know how many pieces the Ship was in when it smashed into the Indian Ocean.
Pretty crazy to think that they essentially have, right now, a system that -- even with all the atmospheric hardware on it -- could put 100 tonnes at LEO and probably cost an order of magnitude less than an SLS launch.
Or if they built a lighter, completely expendable orbiter, 200 tonnes (not sure if they would need an expendable-configuration booster for that).
THIS! Think of the progress here…Everything that worked before in testing or on launches 1 & 2 worked again on three on the first launch attempt AND everything that FAILED on 1 & 2 was solved and also worked on three. It is now essentially SLS, but with much, much higher aspirations.
Falcon 9 worked profitably in this non-reusable format for years before SpaceX solved reusability. I’m very hopeful they’ll solve Starship reuse considerably more quickly.
There was an awful lot of ice coming off something, if it was all ice.
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Fraser: "I'm just a journalist I don't give opinions"
Also Fraser: "It's called Milkdromeda"
People are going to have some opinions. This is interesting - what would a union of France and Germany be named?
@@VicariousAdventurerhehe, Germance 😅 sounds like a bio-drama. (Don't judge me in not from either country 🇺🇸)
@@VicariousAdventurer Frankish Kingdom, it's been done.
@@chriss2283 European union
@@VicariousAdventurer Frank
Before Starship lost connection it lost control. The attitude during re-entry was never controlled.
I think Voyager finally crossed boundaries of the simulation and now transmits data from the outside
Thanks for all the news, Fraser! 😊
Starship did much more this time than I expected! Fantastic!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
actually if starship reenters correctly there is an open cone in the plsma where communication can continue. so when they figure out sticking the starship landing we should be able to get video all the way down and that will be epically cool.
your last interview about the white dwarves was very instructive, I didn't know plasma could exist at a solid state (now it seems kind of obvious 😅 thx to your cristal clear explanations )
You’re*
@@macysondheim You are?
@@macysondheim No, not "you're." Your is correct as he used it.
@@Razm-a-Tazzi No. That’s incorrect.
The cyborg jellyfish thing you talked about is the early stage of a future tech I’ve been imagining for a long time. Imagine being able to master gene editing to such a degree where we basically *grow* machines or even structures. Rather than having to manufacture things from scratch, we would blueprint a molecular machine to grow into what we want. This could be vehicular, mechanical, but even something like a house. Imagine a fully functional house that grows from a sequoia seed that you blueprinted in a piece of software. It’s almost like the final frontier of mastering physics, by mastering biology. Someday...
Someone is going to put a sonar and warhead on it sooner or later...
Grow a house from seeds. That will put the robot construction crews out of work.
Until your house gets senient and decides you are not treating it right and squishes you
@@marcekessen8003Houses can do that allready :D
There's a game based on this and it isn't pretty lol
Success for Starship! Yay!! There was no "rapid unexpected disassembly" which was the official report for Starship's previous flight. For Superheavy there was either again a "rapid unexpected disassembly", or maybe there was a 'rapid unexpected landing at disassembly velocity'. It seems that Starship had a 'slow unplanned disassembly meltdown'.
The problem with blackening the inside of telescopes is that the material may be a very good light absorber when the light is perpendicular to the surface, but much less absorbant - or even reflective - when the light comes in at a shallow angle.
8:37
My preference is "Andyway"!
Wait. What? The booster came apart at 400 meters plus? The footage really looked like it hit the water at Mach 2.
Its tall, maybe the top was not at sea level yet.
400 kilometers - not meters!
@@GntlTch that's definitely not correct. Lol.
Milkdromeda is okay I guess. I'd prefer something like: Androgynous Milk? Milky Androgyny? Androlactations? Androfullcreamilk?
Somebody at NASA has *definitely* suggested turning Voyager 1 off and then turning it back on again.
It seems Voyager 1 decided to do it by itself (the "memory core dump" was NOT something NASA asked it to do).
Whatever corruption was happening on the compression/transmission of the science data, V1 was "unaware" of it [it kept sending nonsense, assuming everything was working as normal]; but the unexpected "poke" signal from Earth triggered something at the hardware_based "firmware/OS" [finally noticing something strange was going on, choosing to "call the doctor" for a diagnose].
-> Because it has 3 independent CPUs still working, it is possible for the assembly to receive an "update", test it on only 1 (while the other 2 look at it & then at "each other" for confirmation), before committing to the process themselves.
Excellent suggestion, Let's have Jodie Foster make a wall full of Ascii art from the garbled Voyager data. On its own, it will be a historical moment.
Oh my gosh finding a star that formed in Andromeda would be SO cool!!
Yep, I like the idea
That Starship test could have put 100-200 tons into orbit
It's crazy
Thanks for those. I do training courses and try to have a different Teams background every day. These will be added into the rotation.
20:50 ~ 😆 I was thinking about the unfortunate person that has to go in there and clean all the jelly fish pieces.
@7:09 that holographic Earth graphic is DOPE Dude!!! 🙌🏼😍🌍
Voyager one is like Srudinger's cat. It starts behaving like a quantum object :)
Amazing video. How have i only just come across this chanel! Great great video
btw, Starship wasn't going to soft land. It was always going to hard land into the ocean for this flight.
Yeah…Love this channel, but Starship isn’t Fraser’s thing.
The pause in white dwarf cooling is nothing to do with insulation. The crystallisation process does create a solid of lower density in the centre of the white dwarf, but it not insulating- the density is so great that the thermal conductivity is commensurate magnitude. The solid crystal is slightly lower in density than the fluid phase and hence it will ‘float’ to lower density strata in the white dwarf. This process of freezing, floating, and melting is exothermic and releases the heat that causes the white dwarf to stop cooling. It is a convection powered heat engine 😮
Perfect choice of stories. Great reports!
The Kraken is going to be seriously pissed when he sees what we have done to his jellyfish friends lol. Have a good weekend!
Another great episode my friend
Wow what a totally real thing I am super excited to just like believe whatever you guys say or what y’all show me lol super cool
Plasma into insulating crystals is beyond wondrous. Thank you 😊
Hey Fraser, re. the comments about stuff far away happening in the past etc, maybe it'd be fun to throw in a counterpoint that it depends on your reference frame. If someone were traveling along with the light but slightly slower, in that reference frame it literally happened seconds ago when they reach earth. Then of course hopefully they miss the earth because physics.
Hey Fraser, would you mind putting "Space Bites" (or some such) in the title of these? I think I sometimes skip over them because I assume it's the edited version of a Q&A livestream I watched live.
Customer: Voyager is not working right
Call centre: Turn it off and on 😂😂😂😂
The only thing I am unsure about with Starship, is the timing for Human Rating. Nothing this big and heavy has returned a crew to Earth as of yet. I believe it will, but I would like to see Starship do many many launches without crew (Starlink, new station modules, other satellites, solar system science probes, space telescopes, etc), and then safely return to Earth. This gives more opportunity to perfect the system, similar to the way Falcon 9 has been perfected.
That's probably a decade or 5 years at minimum
Because human rated HLS starship is not reusable so seeing people take off from earth to LOE surely will be years after for commercial reasons?
It will probably be a while before it's human rated for earth landings. Probably 2-3 years until it's rated for a moon landing.
Very successful launch . Largest object ever to near orbital conditions. They should carry a recording data black box that could eject at some point before destruction. Also very strong and have a parachute, transmitter and floatation bags. Bureaucracy problems re launches are being improved. Even without booster recovery they could still have economic operations with some profits. With the possibility of very large loads. Including large space station segments. Recovery of the booster being extremely difficult but loads reaching orbit. A drone could be used to track booster data on reentry. Or a number of small data ejecting data loads.
Lactomeda in french!
Thx for the updates!
Was never planning to soft land Fraser :)
Its like two pinecones touching noses of galaxies dancing with each other its own capacity to capture suns and planets that we've already seen in the past history the incredible depictions of nebula spirals drawn by indian tribes and traditions of the first writing of mankind's history
Last weeks Turing test was the most magnificent event. Traveling at hypersonic speed, as the largest ship ever to reach low earth orbit. And on re entry a plasma splash, a vision I am no longer a virgin to. Unfortunately, it was lost. This is the second loss for space X.
Nooo! Say it ain't so, Frasier. If Voyager is no longer with us, I'm seriously gonna shed a few tears. At first, sad tears but in the end they'll be tears of quiet respect and happiness for the little satellite that could, and *did. * Godspeed little buddy and thank you for your service. And until you're discovered long after we're all dead and gone, tell them that we were here and we were something beautiful.
Who is going to still own a record player when they do find it?
😂
It hasn't been with us since it launched in the 70's.
@@deltalima6703I got your back, brother.
My gut reaction is the problem is that the flaps did not have enough control authority early enough in the reentry process to stabilize and orient properly for reentry. There needs to be an OMS system to orient and control it until the atmosphere is dense enough for the flaps to take over.
18:49 Vela blew 11Kya? there could be some records left at Göbekli Tepe in present-day Türkiye.
The GOV investigated the GOV and determined the GOV has done nothing wrong. What a relief! 22:10
The vapour deposition technique sound alot like how coatings are applied to carbide inserts for machining metals.
Helluva Video, Fraser !!! 🤘
ummm... I don't believe that a soft landing was planned for the Ship. Just the booster. Also, the boostback burn was successful. It was the ignition failure of the landing burn (possibly due to insufficient fuel) and the roll oscillation it developed that caused the breakup.
The booster canceled out a lot of velocity with its successful boost back burn. It's so big relative to its nearly empty mass it doesn't need a reentry burn. It failed to relight enough of its engines for the landing burn. And the ship obviously needs a beefier RCS system. Something like the methalox thrusters SpaceX talked about when they started development. I thought I read about a possible test of those thrusters a while ago but haven't heard anything since. They may be the same engines used way up on the Lunar lander version if that's how they end up landing. Probably just a lot more of them. They could use a traditional hypergolic system like dragon but that defeats the idea of being able to manufacture propellant in space, on the Moon, Mars, Asteroids etc... Anywhere there's water ice and carbon which is basically everywhere in the system.
Thanks 😊
Was I the only one who noticed; the black pieces falling around Starlift? As it reaches low earth orbit? I believe the on line audience response was," oooooohhh ahhhh!!!". I did profoundly question this. Even during the live stream. The narrator announced, the pieces or parts falling off? Were nothing more than the ceramic heat shields falling off. Its no surprise that StarLift did not survive re-entey. What a major bummer for us all. Did we not learn anything from Space Shuttle Columbia? I mean really!? Im no expert. However, I do pretty much can determine by the results. We need to rethink, what we will use, to protect our rumps... from being over cooked and diminished to ash. Thank you for reading.
Interesting thank you.
This is just their way of putting a Metter on it all, free energy...
You somehow missed to notice the fact that Starship lost all attitude control on descent and was falling like a rock. They know how to do it, and they’ll stick the landing at see the next time.
Schrodinger’s Voyager...good one! Hahaha!
About the visual pollution, imagine if we could see with naked eye (literal trad from french, not sure) all the starlink during the night, it would be a catastrophy, but it would be pretty hypnotic to see this giant sphere of lights rotating in the sky at high speed...
22:24 - the webcomic xkcd made the observation in no. 1342 that distances to stars are one of the only times laypeople overestimate figures in astronomy
"Your diamond is so big it needs a telescope to see it!" - Fiance leaves astronomer
Most scientific big telescopes are also Infrared tescopes, at least Near Infrared, so how that black does in the Near Infrared and other Infrared bands.
Fascinating
One thing: Starship was never going to attempt a soft landing this time. It was going to bellyflop at terminal velocity.
Cyber jellyfish? Do you want the borg? because this is how you get the borg!
Milkdromeda? Or... Gary? I could go either way.
8:00 V-ger doesn't forget. V-ger doesn't forgive. V-ger will absorb your wisdom and knowledge for its greater good.
12:14 The guy you had that interview with said it was more like solid plasma, not liquid. (If I'm not mistaken)
that last story is a horror story of epic proportions in the making. the moral hurdles jumped to justify turning living things into drones against their will should terrify people
9:14 Three-body interaction: check! (I just finished the interminably long chinese series and waiting for the netflix one)
Like a diamond in the sky!
Hey Frazer, I know StarShip isn't your strong point (nothing wrong with that), but you could see a bunch of the heat shield tiles departing before they lost communication. So more than likely it burned up and broke apart because of it. That's been an ongoing problem with attempting to bond the tiles to Stainless Steel all along. From day one, even with suborbital tests, tiles have been coming off. The adhesives themselves contain micro-bubbles that expand which is one of the problems. The stainless steel, and welds also flex under temperature changes and differing stress points. If one tiny crack develops, it cascades to the adjoining tiles. So at this point, they have no data to be sure which tiles gave out, and which didn't, and where to make improvements.
I think the bigger problem was that it couldn't control its roll as it was re-entering the atmosphere. Heat tiles don't help if they're on they're not at the right angle.
@@frasercainYep, that didn't exactly "help" the situation either. That's something else that will have to be addressed in the next test launch. The thin atmosphere at that altitude didn't do any good for the control authority on the fins. Since they were moving, I suspect the automated controls were trying to grasp anything to reorient the ship. Scott Manley always has a pretty thorough examination of what happens. Keep up the good work Fraser! I enjoy all your work too. 👍 👊
I'll be doing an analysis with Scott and Marcus in a couple of days, so we'll dig in deep.
Adding to that, any alien travelling from beyond would have to known earth would be here before that.
Is Voyager 1 the oldest computer continously turned on and still working?
It was a success. They completely expected it to blow up
Ackchyually Frazier, according to Veratasium, there is no way to know that the speed of light is the same in opposite directions (only the two way speed has ever been measured).
It could be c/2 toward Betelgeuse and instantaneous on the way back. i.e we would see it supernova in real time.
Personally, I think Veratasium was smoking something that day.
3:17 I’m surprised they don’t put something on top of the aircraft to send a signal out to space, and then bounce it back to earth to keep good communication with it
20:34 Fluid dynamics is probably what you wanted to say?
Like you touched on, SpaceX just upended the SLS by doubling its payload to LEO and made it obsolete. Sure, it's the 3rd test flight, but we went from tents to 2 launches in 4 years and we're barely on the 5th year. 6 more launches sounds like "Elon time", but still - before we know it, the Starship stack will be able to do every the SLS can + more.
Hate to say "I told you so" (not to you, to the world), but we told you so :D
3 launches, 5 explosions. Great success 😂😂
I suspect Space X is having trouble with fuel sloshing and attitude control.
Starship did not perform a controlled re-entry, so we don’t have good data of whether the heat tiles will function properly.
Super-heavy was having trouble re-lighting it’s engines; possibly caused by fuel sloshing.
Getting 100 - 150 tons of payload into space: easy. Getting your vehicles back in one piece: hard.
Neither is easy. If it were easy the previous launch weight world record wouldn't be 46 tons.
Jellyborgs, theme for next scifi movie .
Milkdromeda is the most awkward possible portmanteau. So, if that’s what you’re going for, success!
Fuligin is a completely dark shade of black does not reflect any light. Could a sheet or umbrella structure be used to block light from satellites. With or without some control.
They had issues with the pez dispenser door not re-sealing. That would make the ship much harder to control and would lead to the tiles being stripped off. Then it's just a matter of time vs heat.
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Before to long we will be able to fix Voyager ones problems by getting to it and fixing it by hand and then add satellites between its own parts of space itself ❤
Is amazing how robust voyager is. I would imagine that since the computer is not that powerful as modern day ones they could build something even more robust and long lived now
More powerful - absolutely! More robust - possibly but not guaranteed. The more powerful --> more transistors --> smaller chip traces --> higher vulnerability to cosmic ray damage.
Had to rin at the animation of JWSt at 17:00 glint of reflection of the sun off the main mirror... Yeah, right!
It's too late for that but I vote for pronouncing the beast as "Jay West". Rolls easier off the tongue. But I know, associations...
I guess Fraser is ok with an highly advanced alien coming to earth and implanting devices into his body to make him walk around faster and record what he sees. Also with the pentagon finding no cover up, I also investigated myself the other day and found I've never done anything wrong.. ever. So that's pretty cool.
What I'm waiting for is visuals from high resolutions telescopes that tracked the 2 ships, to see what they showed. I want to see what happened as viewed from earth, or from a satellite.
Scott Manley has a really good description of what went right and wrong with the starship flight if you want a deeper dive on that bit
I just watched it. Scott will be joining me in a couple of days for analysis.
@@frasercain that's so exciting!! You always get the best guests :D
Maybe his content was better but he sold his soul and lost all respect with his misleading, unnecessary, clickbait title. So very, very disappointing for someone whom I had enjoyed watching.
@@frasercainMaybe you could ask him why he resorted to a clickbait title and thumbnail.
@@seionne85 If a headline that shouts "SpaceX Starship Burns Up" to describe a very successful flight test is not misleading then we don't live in the same universe. By chasing an algorithm with clickbait he has sold his soul and destroyed his integrity.
Deep sea nuclear waste disposal into submerging plate areas could be idea. If cost effective and accurate. If suitable locations can be found. Possibly with a softer top layer. Also other protective containment packages. And possibly waste impregnated into glass or ceramics.
could Voyager 1 still be able to take a picture (doesn't matter what of) and send it back here to us?
imagine that view...
I read that light sent from the nearest star we can see, was sent before the earth existed.
Greetings from the BIG SKY.
IEEE?
@@DrDeuteron No, C.S. dept of Engineering
@@rogerdudra178 IEEE was last week, anyway.
It took me a while to find the download page for the wispy gas filaments is the Vela Supernova Remnant photo as for whatever reason the sources I looked at didn't give a link, but in the end I found the download page and got the 400mb+ jpg file.
Fraser surly you can see starship was struggling to stay straight and did re-entry sideways 😅
Yeah, so now I can have nightmares of cyborg-AI-jellyfish enslaving humans in a dystopian future. Perfect!
naive question : why cant orbiting rockets use reverse thrust to shed most of their velocity before re-entry ? Is it because they have no fuel left to do that, or other orbital mechanics reason ?
"Is this how you get Vgers?" Maybe? I hear the interface may require a manual connection.
Starship looks to be unstable on re-entry. Looks to be bottom heavy because of the engines and it has very small control surfaces so a tendency to roll at re-entry. It needs more control either with more powerful thrust vectoring or extra flaps, or wings like the shuttle. Also they lost a lot of heat tiles, they should consider using more expensive heat resistant alloys or active cooling using methane.