Until reality sets in and a Holy God throws their worthless asses in Hell for eternity, and you realize NONE of that money is worth anything anymore. God makes the rules--no one else!
So Ted claims he swam the entire Ferry Crossing after all that, and in the early morning hours? He must be Superman!! He walked a long way before that too. Too bad he didn't use his amazing strength and powers to get a girl out of a partially submerged car clearly visible and only a few feet from a small bridge.
Engineers testified at the inquest that he was going 40 MPH but that info was removed from the transcript. Ted said he was going 20 MPH . Also, the diver who recovered her body said that she was alive at least one hour and probably three hours after the crash because of an air pocket in the car. She died of suffocation and not drowning according to the experts.
i was wondering ,it was a hot july night i think the the car was a olds 88 i wonder if windows were down and if not were they crank windows which should have been operational under water for an escape outlet. was it possible she was unconscious at impact
steve b by the time the divers arrived a portion of the rear of the cab was exposed let alone a good portion of the trunk. I try to figure out to send you the link of the video, it’s on UA-cam
Great use of google Earth and cursors to help tell a narrative. In fact, I ended up understanding how all the details were related to each other far better this way than if you'd managed to use street map. Having a literal overview is much better. Good job.
Forrest, once again, laying it out like this gives such clear perspective. Having known this tragedy but never the details or a lay of the land. Really appreciate your attention to detail and a piece of history we should all know. I was always amazed how this death had very little negative impact on Ted's career. Keep the videos coming.
Mark Anderson thank you for the kind words. This perspective really helps me understand the reality of what occurred at these events. It seems the only thing that happened to Ted was that he lost the White House and that’s it. I would have loved to see him get the same treatment one of us peasants would have received if we did what he did.
You are right about having little impact on his political career, HOWEVER, whenever he tried to run for POTUS, the word, CHAPPAQUIDDICK, put a stop to any aspiration he may have had. Too bad the word didn't ruin his career otherwise.
Baby, baby, let me sleep on it and I'll give the police a call in the morning. She's at the bottom of the bay livin' by the paradise of the dashboard light.
Well At least a person that does something like this couldn’t go on to have a lifelong political career and be revered as a hero by a certain political party. That would just be absurd.
Back in 2003, I was on Martha's Vineyard Island and visited Edgartown. We took the ferry across to Chappaquiddick Island and drove to Ted Kennedy's infamous bridge. I walked across this bridge and looked into the dark water where Mary Jo Kopechne died. That spot had a supernatural presence, even 34 years after Mary Jo Kopechne was murdered there. It felt felt like there was a extremely strong electrical current in the air - similar to descriptions I have heard of what it feels like when a lightning strike is imminent, but much stronger; this was during the afternoon on a warm, pleasant sunny day. It was very unnerving. I have no doubt that Ted Kennedy murdered this woman and that there is an evil presence that still lingers there. From old man Joe (JFK & Ted's father) down through the generations, the Kennedy clan is nothing but evil.
My name is Edward Kennedy Madrid, born July 16, 1969. This event happened when I came home from the hospital as a newborn and as long as I have a memory of anything this story has fascinated me. ABC just did a good telling but this video was a masterpiece. Our current president said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any votes. Some families could kill folks by drowning and not lose any support, even naming babies after them. Thank you for posting!
You weren’t named after Ted, right? It was just a coincidence? Please tell me that’s true. But if you were named after Ted, I won’t be mad at you. It’s not your fault.
Very interesting video, I vaguely remember this incident, it was the weekend of the moon landing, which dominated the headlines that weekend (not for long!), saw the movie a few days ago, thought it was pretty good, I knew the basics of the scandal but not the details, so I went online & found more info. There were 12 people at the cottage, 6 men (all but one were married) and 6 women who had worked for RFK, all single & in their 20s. Why were no wives invited? There was plenty of booze at that cottage & everyone was whooping it up to the point where a neighbor almost called the police because of all the noise. I think that Ted & Mary Jo were both drunk and he asked her to go for a ride to the beach (perhaps for a midnight skinny-dip among other things) and she agreed. Both of them were familiar with the private beach across the Dyke Bridge because the girls had been over their in the afternoon and Ted joined them after Joe had picked him up from the ferry, so it wasn't as if Ted didn't know where he was going.He didn't make a wrong turn; he knew where he wanted to go--and it wasn't to the ferry, which stopped running at midnight. The sheriff (Chris Look) recognized the vehicle in the water by the license plate and even remarked that it was the car he saw around 12:40 a.m. Authorities have said that Mary Jo probably was alive for at least 30 minutes once the car hit the water and maybe for even a few hours. If Ted had called for help right away she could have been saved--but he didn't. He was more concerned about his political career & let her suffocate. I think the Kennedys paid off the Kopechne family to not press charges. Mary Jo's parents outlived their daughter by almost 40 years. I still find it hard to believe that Ted got off so easily; anyone else would have been charged with involuntary manslaughter. It's as true now as it was then that there are two sets of rules: one for the rich, powerful and well-connected, and one for everyone else.
Jack Crimmims, Ted's driver for many years and a life-long bachelor, was at the party & wasn't happy about chauffeuring a bunch of "douchebags" around the island. All the other men were married except for Jack.
wlhardy how do you think the Kennedy’s got rich powerful and connected? Hard work. Anyone can be rich in America and enjoy that same privilege. Can’t do that while building a cushy life though… Joe Kennedy was a huge asshole and drunkard but he sacrificed a lot to make his family name known nationally. There had never been a Catholic political dynasty in American history but he believed in his family name
wlhardy big deal he gets caught cheating on his wife. Would’ve anyone been surprised? He was a Kennedy. That’s a lot better than endangering a woman speeding off and eventually killing her going off a bridge.
@steve b they could have found out if she had a baby in her stomach!! Ted paid the girls parents a lot of money to stop the autopsy. Ted is where he belongs!! In hell!!
They used legal Mumbo Jumbo to get the coroner state “accidental” death and then took control of the body... Which was cremated. All within 24 - 48 hours. They never even informed the parents first.
I think I heard someone say her parents regretted listening to Kennedy and that they had done the autopsy . I think they were paid off but nothing like they should have been
That's a mighty small cottage for a party of 12, much less an orgy of 10. Has anyone walked, dived, and swam Teddy's route to see if it fits the timeline? The island must be smaller than it looks for him to do all that drunk and tired. Massachusetts voters should be ashamed of sending him back to the Senate even once. Disgusting.
The Deputy Sheriff spooked Kennedy but I think most law enforcement people would have followed up after the car drove away fast. The cop said he was looking to help whoever might be having a problem, but then he did not follow and find out why the car drove away. Odd, no?
King Miura I would guess that it was such a small community on the island he was probably not too concerned. The island was not known for having trouble on it.
It was suspicious. The cop has a right to check vehicles being driven on the public right of way. He can check driver's license, sobriety, registration, insurance. The cop became very silent and after all , he was the trigger to the whole event. The cop obviously knew it was an island and the last ferry had left so any vehicle was not going to get away from him. I believe most cops would have followed up even if just for curiosity reasons....who was that and why did they avoid me? I never heard anyone ask Teddi why did he drive away from the cop.
thats a good point i would think the cop might follow up on the car just to break up the monotony of what is most likely a very uneventful shift usually
I want to add to the comment I made 8 months ago. Not long afterwards I did some more reading--and for those who might be interested, the film "Chappaquiddick" has been on Netflix for a while--and I now believe that Senator Kennedy WAS NOT in his Buick when it went over the bridge & that Mary Jo was driving alone. She was unfamiliar w/the area, unfamiliar w/the car and legally drunk--factors which led to her accidental death. Remember that Sheriff Look saw Ted's car at 12:40 p.m., with a man & a woman in the front seat. He didn't recognize either of them & before he had a chance to get any closer, the Buick abruptly backed out, then sped away toward Dyke Beach. What I think happened was that Ted had missed the turn to the beach & had ended up on a road beyond the turn called Cemetery Road because it was a dead end. He realized his mistake but was in no hurry to get to Dyke Beach, so he & Mary Jo just sat there UNTIL Ted saw a man in uniform approaching his car & he started to panic. Why? Because he was driving w/out his license (and even if he had it on him, the license had expired on his birthday, 2/22), he was drunk, meaning a DUI (Mary Jo was later to be found legally drunk & I'm sure he was, too) and he was w/a woman other than his wife. He could not afford to be seen by anyone--especially by law enforcement. So he backs out & heads toward the beach, hoping he wasn't followed. But about halfway there Ted realizes that perhaps the two of them need to split up & says to Mary Jo that he's going to stop the car, get out & walk back to the party while she drives to the beach, waits around awhile, then go back to the cottage. She agrees, he leaves, Mary Jo--like I mentioned earlier--was not familiar w/the area, it was dark, she wasn't accustomed to a big, powerful car like the Buick (she drove a VW bug) and she was inebriated. The Dyke Bridge has to be approached with caution; no one had driven off it it before & no one has since. But Mary Jo's judgement was blunted, she drove the car too fast & ended up careening off the bridge, landing upside down in Pocha Pond. Of course she's terrified & panicky, I'm sure she yelled & cried for help, sadly no one could hear her & no one knew where she was. It was low tide & I get the impression the Buick wasn't completely covered by water, that the tires might have been poking through. Even if the car was covered by water, it wasn't by much, I don't think more than 6 feet. Were any of the windows open? The photos of the car after having been pulled from the pond show 3 windows down. Could Mary Jo have squeezed through a window & escaped. Probably, she was small enough & the water wasn't deep. But how could she know that? Meanwhile, Ted is back at the cottage, waiting for Mary Jo. When she doesn't reappear after about 30 minutes he starts to get concerned. This is when I think he enlisted the help of Joe Gargan (his cousin & companion) and Paul Markham. They get in Joe's rented car & drive to Dyke Beach, passing over the bridge. They wouldn't have noticed Ted's car in the water while crossing the bridge & the headlights would not have been seen by this time anyway. No Mary Jo. Now they're really confused & worried, perhaps they drive all over Chappaquiddick looking for the Buick. No sign of it. Was there an argument between Ted & Joe/Paul about Mary Jo as depicted in the film? I think there was & but it was about reporting her as a missing person because she WAS missing. I think Joe & Paul wanted Ted to report her missing while Ted didn't, figuring that she's a grown woman, she'll turn up eventually (which she did) and that a person wasn't considered missing until 24 hours had passed. Somehow he gets back to Edgartown (whether he swam or took a little boat is debatable, it doesn't matter except that he was seen by someone at the Shiretown in around 2:30 a.m.) A few hours later Ted finds out about Mary Jo. He knows he's in big trouble & has to come up with an explanation as to how the corpse of Mary Jo Kopechne ended up in his car, which ended up in Pocha Pond, while Ted is safely back in Edgartown. Papa Joe wasn't in any condition to give advice (that "alibi" in the movie is nonsense, he wasn't speaking or writing at that point), Ted was on his own. Why it never occurred to him to tell the truth is beyond me. He was screwed either way, so he might as well have been honest. Even though he wasn't in the car when it went off the bridge, he knew he was ultimately responsible for what had happened, so he made himself the driver of the car when it went off Dyke Bridge. One thing that was never clear--even Senator Kennedy himself couldn't explain it--was HOW he managed to get out of the car. How could he not remember that? He remembered everything before that moment, everything afterward, but not THAT? There was only one way out--through a window. I believe at least one window was down when the car hit the water. Take a look at the picture of the car & then look at the size of Ted in 1969 and tell me he could slither through the window like an eel. He MIGHT have been able to get out but probably not. Mary Jo, on the other hand, could probably have managed. If she couldn't have gotten out, then he couldn't. If he could get out, she could get out. That's why I feel he wasn't driving at that crucial moment. Edward M. Kennedy had his flaws like anyone else but I refuse to believe he was an inhuman monster who let an innocent young lady drown. If it happened the way he said it did, then a lot of people feel that he didn't call a rescue unit to extract Mary Jo from the car because he was afraid of hurting his political career. But if he DIDN'T go for help, then she was going to die. Which would have been worse for him? He was in BIG trouble either way, so why walk away from a trapped woman? He appeared not to know that a young woman died in his car until he heard the news. That's because he DIDN'T KNOW. He must have been worried & apprehensive, wondering what happened & hoping she was okay. The last thing he expected was finding out that Mary Jo had died in his car. As for Joe Gargan & Paul Markham, I believe they were hoping--or expecting--that Ted would tell the truth about what happened. He dragged them into this incident & they were involved whether they wanted to be or not. Once Ted gave his version of events (half fact/half fiction), they had two choices: They could go along with his story or they could call him a liar & tell the truth. If they chose the latter, there's no question the Kennedy family would have come down on them like a swarm of hornets. Joe Kennedy may have been incapacitated but Steve Smith (who was running things since Joe's stroke) knew how Papa Joe operated. A good example is Sheriff Huck Look. I read somewhere that after his story was made public, the Kennedys put pressure on him to change it because his story didn't match Ted in the timing (Ted said he left the cottage around 11:15-11:30 p.m. to head back to Edgartown while Sheriff Look saw his car on the road at 12:40 a.m., an hour later.), but Sheriff Look wouldn't back down. He knew what he saw and he knew when he saw it. My guess is that Joe & Paul--because they got sucked into this tragedy--went along with Ted's story because going against the Kennedys would be fruitless. Joe died a year ago, right before the movie was finished. That's my theory, to me it just makes sense. Mary Jo should never have walked out the door w/Ted, but when you're knocking back the alcohol, you can end up doing things that you normally wouldn't. Ted never lived down that night & spent the rest of his political career working hard to make up for it. The Kopechnes regret that they did not request an autopsy on their only child, the parents died a few years before Ted, those must have been miserable years for them. I think that the Kennedy family bought off the Kopechnes and everyone who attended that party to keep their mouths shut or make sure that no one said anything that didn't line up with Ted's story. We'll never know everything that happened, but I believe that Ted didn't drive off the bridge that night--Mary Jo did, all by herself.
Thanks for your video on Chappiquidick. Found your narration, mapping n other info VERY interesting ! Looking forward to your next notable video. Thanks
how money has been spent to supress this info? this channel is such a valuable resource. Make sure you have all your videos at home, for WHEN you get you banned.
There is an alternate possibility....that Teddi got out 1/2 way down the road towards the bridge and told Mary Jo to drive on in case the cop followed them....Teddi would not have known about the accident until the following morning when his pals showed up at his motel. The cop said he saw a male driving the car....Teddi had to assume that the cop would testify that he saw the car being driven by a male down the road towards the bridge....therefore he decided to claim it was an accident and he was a hero trying to save her...maybe people would not notice too much that he didn't report the accident immediately. Either story is very sketchy. A solid story for Teddi would have been ...we drove to the ferry...it was closed....Teddi told Mary Jo to go back to the cottage because he was gonna swim over and go back to his motel.....but, alas, the cop could mess that story up....eh, Teddi?
Ok, I just finished watching the movie. My first question is; Ted got out of the car without a scratch, so either the door or the window must have been open. If Mary Jo had been conscious, she would have at least seen a way too get out of the car, because the headlights were still on.
The old man was a womanizer. Jack was a womanizer. Bobby was a womanizer, and Ted was a womanizer. Ten years after that TV interview from his daddy's library he made another one in which he says that his was a religious family. Who was the god they worshiped - Eros?
@@mstewart3711 Distasteful as that kind of talk is, two things should be noted: 1) The "grabbing" was permitted by the women involved - eg "They *let* you do it!" And if you believe that isn't the case, there seems to be a distinct lack of legal action against Trump in that regard 2) Even if it wasn't consensual, some women got groped. Mary Jo Kopechne died. Which outcome is worse, in your opinion?
I believe after running from the cops, he pulled over, and told mary jo to drive herself home. He walked back to the party thinking all was well. A couple having breakfast reported that he was calm and collected until the guys came and asked to speak to him in private, when at that point he became flustered because he just found out what had happened. It also explains why he didnt call the police, because he didnt know it had happened. He thought the cop was chasing him, to avoid getting caught he gave her the car and walked back.
@@slypen7450 To sell the story to the media? Are you really from a world where politicians lying and looking a certain way to the camera doesn't exist? The Kennedy political machine was always about looks and making sure they were seen in the best light possible.
To me it makes more sense Kennedy wouldn't shoot off and try and cross the bridge. HE KNEW THE DANGER OF THE BRIDGE. Even if he was drunk he would know not to try it with a big wide car. Better to avoid the Cop, drive off, hidden, then stop the car, get out, tell Mary Jo to drive the car back to the cottage, he'll meet her there. She a small woman couldn't handle the big car, DIDN'T KNOW the bridge, was lost, lost control, drove off it. Kennedy got his aides to get him back to Edgartown not knowing Mary Jo was dead. But he had to have a story because he was seen in his car by the Cop. Better say he got lost (lie he knew the area) drove off the bridge, guilty as charged leaving the sight, but he tried to be the hero.
Mark Ames thank you for your kind words. I will go there someday in the future because I would like to see it myself. When you went did you fairy your own car across?
Interesting, as always, to see it all mapped out. Also a reminder that power trumps money. Unless you're OJ...but then again, maybe OJ doesn't even see a court room if he had TK's clout. Always nice to have the former US attorney riding shotgun while you ride around calculating how to scheme your way out of a tight spot.
or maybe the whole oj event was a "stunt" these people play "roles" in many different capacities....... like breaking into a place to steal your own trophies? lol
Forrest Haggerty the Illuminati makes it sound like a conspiracy. There’s nothing conspiratorial about government corruption its been happening since Roman times
The remaining question is why didn't Ted tell anyone about it? Usually that is the behavior of a guilty person. But what was he guilty of? Having an affair, drunk driving, and causing the death of a girl (manslaughter) seem like plausible answers.
This is what I was searching for. Thanks Forrest. I guess I need to read the book. I'm still trying to figure out how Ted got out of the car, if he was even in it, when it went over the bridge.
I'm not a political person. So my comments have nothing to do with either Republican or Democratic position or opinions. After studying as much as could, simply as a history buff, this is in a nutshell I think what happened: They left the party house hoping to have fun together but both were intoxicated. They got spooked at the main island intersection by the deputy Christopher Look. So they spun off right onto the dirt road. At some point, Ted got out of the car worried about his image and started walking back to the cottage. She did not know where she was going and the little bridge had no guardrails.
I always thought (in my head) when he was walking back past the houses, that they were big estates up on a hill with a winding driveway or something, so maybe he could get away with saying he didn't see them... but this makes it very clear that the houses were right on the road! Even with the lights out you'd have to be blind not to see every single one of them, a few look like they're 30 feet from the road! I can't see any scenario where he's not the driver... because he never would have said he was. Nobody there either for him to cover for, I just don't see a viable reason he wouldn't be the driver... but then again I can't see how he got out of the car either (he said he didn't remember).
Joe's Classic Video Games I agree with you. However, saying you don’t remember is a politicians way out. I’m willing to bet he remembered everything but panicked because of his job and who he was.
The whole thing is so surreal. Believe me I'm no Ted Kennedy fan but I just can't understand why he admitted he was the driver when he was obviously lying about all the rest of it. I guess he figured he couldn't lie about being the driver.... It's almost as if, we know he's such a liar, that I'm almost inclined to not believe him when he says he was driving . The diver said the window was down so maybe he somehow went through the window....but the way he says he doesn't remember how he got out, but he remembers trying the handle, etc. is just so frieking strange.
Joe's Classic Video Games I agree. We will never know what really happened since the only two involved are both dead now. Politicians/lawyers are natural born liars.
Sad to see a pretty young woman get mixed up with such a lowlife. She probably thought he was a great man and she was doing a positive thing working to get him elected, etc.... then he probably had an affair with her and ended up killing her in a drunken bout of idiocy. He was probably doing crazy things like this nightly, and this is just the one everybody found out about. Likely other dead girls we never even heard about. That sounds crazy... but is it really any crazier than this story... that he was never even punished for?
Hi. It seems the bridge was an accident ready to happen, based on your description of it - entry at an angle, narrow, no railings. What was the town thinking? Thank you. Your Google presentation was enlightening.
While I feel bad for Mary Jo, she knew he was married. Ted deserved to go to prison. She was alive in the car for several hours after it entered the water. He was only worried about himself. The wrong person drowned that night.
I have never heard or read an account as to what Dept. Look did after the vehicle sped off. He was off duty, but I think it would be appropriate if he had gotten back into his police car and followed the vehicle along Dyke road. After all, Look would have known that Dyke road comes to a dead end after the bridge. Certainly the occupants of the vehicle would have been cornered. Had he done that, he would have been able to render assistance immediately after the car went into the water.
(1) Usually when a policeman sees you and you see him and you start speeding away, he follows you just to see what you are up to. (2). If they both had hotel rooms in the same place, why didn't they just go there?
Great video. I saw a documentary where the investigators don't even believe Ted was in the car when it went into the water. They think he bailed when the cop spotted them and she drove the car off the bridge because she wasn't familiar with the roads. He apparently didn't learn what happened until the next morning.
@Piatequila You got that right. He was a politician of the highest order and I don't know a single one of them that are great examples of telling the truth. Every damn last one of them lies right to your face while stabbing you in the back.
My theory is that half way down Dike Rd they stopped and Ted got out. To separate himself from the girl (affair allegation) and a drunk driving charge in the event the cop was following them. The plan was for Ted to walk back to his hotel and pretend nothing ever happened, and for Mary Jo to drive out the beach and wait till the cop gave up searching and went away. Then she could return to the party in the car. They were in a panic thinking the officer was pursuing them. Once Ted was out of the car Mary Jo, drunk and scared, took off seeding towards the bridge, went off into the water, and was trapped in the car alone until she suffocated in the air pocket. Ted walks back to the ferry landing, gets across somehow, and is seen at the hotel at 230 am. The next day when the car is found he is unaware and has to launch into a cover up that he never anticipated. They version he comes up with where he was driving is an attempt to seen valiant and heroic, as if he tried to save her. The truth simply paints him as a drunk and adulterer.
Yes. They were both drunk. He was not in the car when it went into the water. He let her drive after they were spotted by the cop and he walked back to the party and got back to the hotel dry as a bone. He had no knowledge of her accidental death until the next morning. Then he and his buddies cooked up this totally unbelievable story and all the attendees at the party kept their mouths shut. He was a Kennedy after all and was going to be the next one in line to be Prez after his brothers were murdered.
Kennedy should have resigned after this incident - disgusting the way he handled it. He should have come clean and taken total responsibility for his actions - coward
Teddy should have been tried for manslaughter. What a miserable excuse for a human being! He defines the word coward. Thanks Forrest for another great video.
i saw the movie in 2017, did not what all had happened before, but just clips of it before i saw the movie, but this google map that you did cleared every thing up. Thanks!
Thank you for this great presentation. I just saw the movie and it peaked my interest to look at it on Google Earth. Being from California, I never really understood the lay of the land. You explained all this better then the movie. To me the most amazing part of the story was how Massachusetts overwhelmingly re-elected the killer. Wow.
Another good question is how he managed to get out of the car. Once the car went in the water, I think it would have been impossible to open the door. Apparently, the driver's side window was rolled down nearly all the way, but could a man of Kennedy's size have gotten out the window? I don't know. Could he have bailed from the car at the last moment before it went off? I suppose it's possible. I know that there are those who say that Kennedy wasn't driving, that he got out of the car and ran away when Deputy Look approached them and that Kennedy knew nothing of the accident until the next morning. In my opinion, it seems to be plausible in terms of him not having to defy the odds of escaping the vehicle, but it falls to pieces after that. First, I think Deputy Look would have noticed if Ted got out of the car. Second, Mary Jo would have had to most likely move over from the passenger side to the driver side before speeding away. Again, Deputy Look would have notice this. Third, assuming all of this did happen, why would Ted feel the need to swim across the channel to Martha's Vineyard fully clothed and leave Mary Jo with his car that he knew sped off in the wrong direction rather than returning to the cottage? Fourth, how would Gargan and Markham found out about the accident on their own so early the next morning? Fifth, why would Ted confess to being the driver, putting himself at risk of being charged with manslaughter if he wasn't the driver? Could he have gotten out of the car between the time the car sped away from the deputy and the time it went over the bridge? I suppose so, but if the deputy wasn't pursuing, why do that? Also, after the dust settled in this whole sorry episode, I believe that Gargan distanced himself from Ted (the movie closing said he was "estranged" from Ted). If Ted wasn't driving and didn't find out about this until the next morning, why would Gargan do that? Even if this highly unlikely scenario is true, Kennedy still told multiple lies to the police about his involvement in a death investigation- real classy guy. I think he had to be the driver, but how he got out of the vehicle is what is perplexing.
At breakfast next morning, he was chatting to the the hotel-guests in a carefree spirit, when the two lawyers came to collect him. It was obviously the first he'd heard of the tragedy.
I just watched the movie. Amazing how the Kennedys claim to be so religious. The difference between religious and having a personal relationship with God, is having a moral compass. Clearly a moral compass is absent in the Kennedy family. Poor girl!
I agree with your explanation except I believe after they saw the police car they drove down the road a short distance (road is 9/10 of a mile I measured it) and Ted got out of the car and said I will walk down and meet you by the beach. So if the policeman came down he would not be in car with her and she could say she made a wrong turn. The road at that time was a gravel road so if you made a turn off the paved road you would know you were no longer on the paved road. MaryJo was driving fast, and unfamiliar with the road, drove right off the side of the bridge as you said. Teddy Bear was not even in the car. With the car upside down and jo, under the influence, I doubt Teddy could get out of the car himself. I believe that is why MaryJo's parents didn't make a larger deal of the accident because he told them that she was actually driving the car. This theory explains away a lot of the confusion.
And that POS lived a very wealthy life off the tax payers of Massachusetts for a long time... also: what happened to the Deputy that seen them at the intersection? Seems he could’ve chased him down and at least seen Ted walking back... off duty no duty back then?
Great work ! Other theories say he stopped befor the bridge , told Mary to go on with out him fearing the cop was pursuing them . Didn't want to be caught drunk with her . She then drove at high rate of speed and crashed into the water..
Forrest Haggerty Wow. Thanks a lot. That was a horrible accident but the female (regardless) of her position - was truly left to *die* . Kennedy was cowardly and spineless . How he got away with the time span of NOT CALLING TO REPORT the accident was an absolute cover up.
1122ss Well, he didn't. That is not The Bronx or Chicago, you know, he was coming off duty and going home. The car took off fast but he had no reason for a hot pursuit.
You guys r absolutely nuts, how about suspicion!!!!! if a police officer Approaches Your vehicle and you speed off You’re going to be in a high-speed chase 100% guarantee. He realized who it was called his boss and and was told to leave it alone. Is the most logical Scenario. I think anytime ted was on this tiny island everyone knew he was there.
Every time I watch this video, and I've rewatched it many times, I have a good chuckle at the pure disapproval at 4:10.. "most likely going to have *sex* with" XD
Damn, this is so good, but he just got one thing wrong. Experts have concluded Ted at some point before getting to the bridge got out of the car and had Mary Jo drive on alone, so he wouldn't be caught in a car with a pretty blonde. She, being unfamiliar with the car and the bridge, foolishly tried to go over it, and died. Ted, being drunk, 37, bad back from 1964 plane crash, midnight, upside down in water, surely would not have survived driving off a bridge, let alone walk back soaking wet to the house to summon help. He was in dry clothes all night. He made it up because he felt guilty about making her take the wheel to save his skin.
He could not have been in dry clothes all night. He made it back to Edgartown after the last ferry left at midnight. He said he swam over - if he had a boat, why lie about that? People who Kennedy talked to at the Inn in the morning said he did not appear to be upset until his friends arrived and had a private talk with him.
Ted leaves with Mary jo tells everyone he’s going back to edgertown but drives to the other side of the island to a beach he swam at that morning.Sure sounds like he was going to get a little something something. I’m sure he wasn’t fooling Joan, just why did she wait til 83 to divorce him.
What’s a possible scenario in which he could have escaped the car but she did not? Assuming of course she was still conscious up to 3 hours like they think. Surely she would keep trying everything possible and could find his means of escape. I’m seriously asking. This isn’t a rhetorical question.
Forrest Haggerty Ya, I can’t get past that point in his story. I figured I must be missing something because I’ve not heard anyone else question it in any documentaries. Until that can be explained I’ve assumed everything else to follow in his bizarre story can’t be true.
Anita Break the thing that bothers me is that if any peasant or commoner did this they would do time for manslaughter and not be able to slime their way out of it like Ted slimed his way out of it.
You do a very good job. Starting May 12 we have the Golden State Killer preliminary hearing in Sacramento, CA. You really need to do that. It is quite an undertaking . Yet, you need to do it. He chose victims because of flood control channels and planed escape routes. It’s really confusing. Lot’s of people will watch if you do this. The geographic relations of the murders in Goleta along with witnesses, escape routes are very interesting. His brother lived in walking distance of two murders.
Wow Forrest Haggerty, i have a connection not only to this video but your 9/11 video. I posted a long post on the 9/11 video, but my great grandmother lived next to Mary and her parents for years before they moved to Caldwell and kept in touch with her family in some way until she died in 2011. She has lots of pictures of my mother that coincidentally included the neighbors child as well, Mary. Every year, on the anniversary of her death, a memorial is held on what we locals refer to Larksville Mt. The cemetery she is buried in seems to be the primary burial for her family because, thankfully, she is surrounded by them. Without looking it up i dont know the exact number, but i believe her family roots in Luzerne County go back almost 300 years and her ancestors fought in wars with the local indian tribes on the banks of the Susquehanna River in 1778 (war of wyoming) likely in the civil war and i know for a fact my great great great grandfather worked in the same coal shaft as her great gramdfather. Its sad that she is known for the gruesome way she died and not for the astronomical amount of history she and her family have in Luzerne County, Pa. I think i heard you say you are a teacher, are you a history teacher? Im what you call a local "historian buff" so if i ever run out of ideas, i would suggest a few lesser known events like the Avondale Mine disaster or Knox mine disaster. Very interesting stuff. Theres more to the survival of men then what most people realize. They werent trapped in the Andes Mountains for 72 days, but being trapped 500 ft underground with water rushing in from all directions and to somehow dig and claw your way a half mile down river up a shaft to safety was pretty harrowing
Six married men partying with the boiler room girls. Totally innocent and definitely no cheating on their wives
Lets face it, the rich live by their own rules.
Until reality sets in and a Holy God throws their worthless asses in Hell for eternity, and you realize NONE of that money is worth anything anymore.
God makes the rules--no one else!
Judah Soremy Ted Kennedy can’t run from it anymore
Some things will never change.
Politicians*
@@dpurplefox only if you dont believe.
So Ted claims he swam the entire Ferry Crossing after all that, and in the early morning hours? He must be Superman!! He walked a long way before that too. Too bad he didn't use his amazing strength and powers to get a girl out of a partially submerged car clearly visible and only a few feet from a small bridge.
autocrow exactly!he had collapsed in the white valiant and then had the energy to swim across that strong current!
and no seatbelts then either
Ted bundy is really smart.
autocrow yup
LOL!
Engineers testified at the inquest that he was going 40 MPH but that info was removed from the transcript. Ted said he was going 20 MPH . Also, the diver who recovered her body said that she was alive at least one hour and probably three hours after the crash because of an air pocket in the car. She died of suffocation and not drowning according to the experts.
abbatrouble 40mph makes more sense to me. That was a heavy car and it flew a long way. Too bad they removed that from the transcripts.
abbatrouble And an autopsy was not performed either. Freaking unbeliavable!!!!
i was wondering ,it was a hot july night i think the the car was a olds 88 i wonder if windows were down and if not were they crank windows which should have been operational under water for an escape outlet. was it possible she was unconscious at impact
steve b by the time the divers arrived a portion of the rear of the cab was exposed let alone a good portion of the trunk. I try to figure out to send you the link of the video, it’s on UA-cam
Yep, the driver's window was down. If she was alive for three hours, she should have checked the windows.
WOW! ... and people actually believed Ted's story?! Absolutely unbelievable.
Demotards are the world's biggest idiots te d was a communist trader that should of been hanged and his car has killed more people than my gun.
Katherin O'Day The people of Massachusetts did. Now they believe a white woman is a Native American.
Katherin O'Day They believe Hillary's stories now too.
people will believe anything especially when they give you 20k to believe it.
When it comes to politics, some people believe what they want to believe.
It made me sick when they him canonized "Lion of the Senate." His actions were despicable.
"Lying in the Senate," not "Lion of the Senate."
He should be known and remembered as Senator"Lying every Minute"if at all....
Liar of the Senate. All he had to do was run to one of those houses and call for help. She had time to be saved ...
It’s spelt LYIN 🤥 Of the Senate 🥴🥃🚬🏊🏻♂️
Great use of google Earth and cursors to help tell a narrative. In fact, I ended up understanding how all the details were related to each other far better this way than if you'd managed to use street map. Having a literal overview is much better. Good job.
phoebephoebo .sydney I’m happy you enjoyed it!
This story is a perfect example of what Wash DC is filled to the brim with.
And why they hate Trump
Drain the swamp
what the world at large is filled with*... FTFY
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Forrest, once again, laying it out like this gives such clear perspective. Having known this tragedy but never the details or a lay of the land. Really appreciate your attention to detail and a piece of history we should all know. I was always amazed how this death had very little negative impact on Ted's career. Keep the videos coming.
Mark Anderson thank you for the kind words. This perspective really helps me understand the reality of what occurred at these events. It seems the only thing that happened to Ted was that he lost the White House and that’s it. I would have loved to see him get the same treatment one of us peasants would have received if we did what he did.
You are right about having little impact on his political career, HOWEVER, whenever he tried to run for POTUS, the word, CHAPPAQUIDDICK, put a stop to any aspiration he may have had. Too bad the word didn't ruin his career otherwise.
Lets, there is a dead girl in my car at the bottom of a bay, what do I do? Guess I'll just go back to my hotel and just sleep on it.
John Kirby very funny!!:)))
John Kirby -Yes John,its beyond belief isn't it?
Baby, baby, let me sleep on it and I'll give the police a call in the morning. She's at the bottom of the bay livin' by the paradise of the dashboard light.
This story really brings to light what a totally creepy human being Kennedy was. And the crowd he ran with didn't sound much better.
Well At least a person that does something like this couldn’t go on to have a lifelong political career and be revered as a hero by a certain political party. That would just be absurd.
Felon trump in 2024: "Hold my coke!"
The only thing bad about this presentation is that I'm unable to upvote more than once! So VERY GOOD. You are fantastic Mr. Haggerty!
Back in 2003, I was on Martha's Vineyard Island and visited Edgartown. We took the ferry across to Chappaquiddick Island and drove to Ted Kennedy's infamous bridge. I walked across this bridge and looked into the dark water where Mary Jo Kopechne died. That spot had a supernatural presence, even 34 years after Mary Jo Kopechne was murdered there. It felt felt like there was a extremely strong electrical current in the air - similar to descriptions I have heard of what it feels like when a lightning strike is imminent, but much stronger; this was during the afternoon on a warm, pleasant sunny day. It was very unnerving. I have no doubt that Ted Kennedy murdered this woman and that there is an evil presence that still lingers there. From old man Joe (JFK & Ted's father) down through the generations, the Kennedy clan is nothing but evil.
that town hall building was also the one used as the town hall in JAWS 1975
I didn't know he walked past the fire station. This was a Depraved-Heart Murder.
blastforth yes, right past it. He cared more about his career than the victim.
@Piatequila If there was a baby in the womb, it is such a shame that it had to die !
Great Video Forrest. The sad fact is he was never arrested for this terrible crime and more amazing he continued to be re-elected for decades.
Nicollette Burger he got away with man slaughter, not to mention the numerous affairs he had after he killed Mary Jo.
I remember someone spray painted "Ted's Car Wash" on the bridge.
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My name is Edward Kennedy Madrid, born July 16, 1969. This event happened when I came home from the hospital as a newborn and as long as I have a memory of anything this story has fascinated me. ABC just did a good telling but this video was a masterpiece. Our current president said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any votes. Some families could kill folks by drowning and not lose any support, even naming babies after them. Thank you for posting!
You weren’t named after Ted, right? It was just a coincidence? Please tell me that’s true.
But if you were named after Ted, I won’t be mad at you. It’s not your fault.
Unbelievable!! I watched the movie and it just made my blood boil that he just left her there!!
I recently watched the movie “Chappaquiddick” (2017). It is very good and compelling. This video and the movie compliment each other very well.
Thanks! I have read volumes about this but you showed me enough to pull it all together. Good job!
Trish Fitzpatrick thank you! I’m happy you enjoyed it!:)))
Very interesting video, I vaguely remember this incident, it was the weekend of the moon landing, which dominated the headlines that weekend (not for long!), saw the movie a few days ago, thought it was pretty good, I knew the basics of the scandal but not the details, so I went online & found more info. There were 12 people at the cottage, 6 men (all but one were married) and 6 women who had worked for RFK, all single & in their 20s. Why were no wives invited? There was plenty of booze at that cottage & everyone was whooping it up to the point where a neighbor almost called the police because of all the noise. I think that Ted & Mary Jo were both drunk and he asked her to go for a ride to the beach (perhaps for a midnight skinny-dip among other things) and she agreed. Both of them were familiar with the private beach across the Dyke Bridge because the girls had been over their in the afternoon and Ted joined them after Joe had picked him up from the ferry, so it wasn't as if Ted didn't know where he was going.He didn't make a wrong turn; he knew where he wanted to go--and it wasn't to the ferry, which stopped running at midnight. The sheriff (Chris Look) recognized the vehicle in the water by the license plate and even remarked that it was the car he saw around 12:40 a.m. Authorities have said that Mary Jo probably was alive for at least 30 minutes once the car hit the water and maybe for even a few hours. If Ted had called for help right away she could have been saved--but he didn't. He was more concerned about his political career & let her suffocate. I think the Kennedys paid off the Kopechne family to not press charges. Mary Jo's parents outlived their daughter by almost 40 years. I still find it hard to believe that Ted got off so easily; anyone else would have been charged with involuntary manslaughter. It's as true now as it was then that there are two sets of rules: one for the rich, powerful and well-connected, and one for everyone else.
wlhardy thank you for your excellent comment. I truly appreciate it
Jack Crimmims, Ted's driver for many years and a life-long bachelor, was at the party & wasn't happy about chauffeuring a bunch of "douchebags" around the island. All the other men were married except for Jack.
wlhardy how do you think the Kennedy’s got rich powerful and connected? Hard work. Anyone can be rich in America and enjoy that same privilege. Can’t do that while building a cushy life though… Joe Kennedy was a huge asshole and drunkard but he sacrificed a lot to make his family name known nationally. There had never been a Catholic political dynasty in American history but he believed in his family name
Never landed on the moon...
wlhardy big deal he gets caught cheating on his wife. Would’ve anyone been surprised? He was a Kennedy. That’s a lot better than endangering a woman speeding off and eventually killing her going off a bridge.
Why there was no autopsy? C'mon now.
@steve b they could have found out if she had a baby in her stomach!! Ted paid the girls parents a lot of money to stop the autopsy. Ted is where he belongs!! In hell!!
No autopsy, and the accident investigator was kicked out of the inquest, and the guy who found the car was kicked out of the inquest.
They used legal Mumbo Jumbo to get the coroner state “accidental” death and then took control of the body... Which was cremated. All within 24 - 48 hours. They never even informed the parents first.
I think I heard someone say her parents regretted listening to Kennedy and that they had done the autopsy . I think they were paid off but nothing like they should have been
That's a mighty small cottage for a party of 12, much less an orgy of 10. Has anyone walked, dived, and swam Teddy's route to see if it fits the timeline? The island must be smaller than it looks for him to do all that drunk and tired.
Massachusetts voters should be ashamed of sending him back to the Senate even once. Disgusting.
The Deputy Sheriff spooked Kennedy but I think most law enforcement people would have followed up after the car drove away fast. The cop said he was looking to help whoever might be having a problem, but then he did not follow and find out why the car drove away. Odd, no?
King Miura I would guess that it was such a small community on the island he was probably not too concerned. The island was not known for having trouble on it.
We still had a few rights back then they had to have a real cause drive off fast wasn't a crime.
Driving off fast
It was suspicious. The cop has a right to check vehicles being driven on the public right of way. He can check driver's license, sobriety, registration, insurance. The cop became very silent and after all , he was the trigger to the whole event. The cop obviously knew it was an island and the last ferry had left so any vehicle was not going to get away from him. I believe most cops would have followed up even if just for curiosity reasons....who was that and why did they avoid me? I never heard anyone ask Teddi why did he drive away from the cop.
thats a good point i would think the cop might follow up on the car just to break up the monotony of what is most likely a very uneventful shift usually
Kind of obvious, he saved his own sorry a**. He spent the rest of the night and following days trying to cover everything up.
Stephen Yount that’s right. He only cared about mitigating political damage to his career.
Stephen Yount & the Rest of his life
Great job, Forrest. Your videos are accurate and well done.
I want to add to the comment I made 8 months ago. Not long afterwards I did some more reading--and for those who might be interested, the film "Chappaquiddick" has been on Netflix for a while--and I now believe that Senator Kennedy WAS NOT in his Buick when it went over the bridge & that Mary Jo was driving alone. She was unfamiliar w/the area, unfamiliar w/the car and legally drunk--factors which led to her accidental death.
Remember that Sheriff Look saw Ted's car at 12:40 p.m., with a man & a woman in the front seat. He didn't recognize either of them & before he had a chance to get any closer, the Buick abruptly backed out, then sped away toward Dyke Beach. What I think happened was that Ted had missed the turn to the beach & had ended up on a road beyond the turn called Cemetery Road because it was a dead end. He realized his mistake but was in no hurry to get to Dyke Beach, so he & Mary Jo just sat there UNTIL Ted saw a man in uniform approaching his car & he started to panic. Why? Because he was driving w/out his license (and even if he had it on him, the license had expired on his birthday, 2/22), he was drunk, meaning a DUI (Mary Jo was later to be found legally drunk & I'm sure he was, too) and he was w/a woman other than his wife. He could not afford to be seen by anyone--especially by law enforcement. So he backs out & heads toward the beach, hoping he wasn't followed. But about halfway there Ted realizes that perhaps the two of them need to split up & says to Mary Jo that he's going to stop the car, get out & walk back to the party while she drives to the beach, waits around awhile, then go back to the cottage. She agrees, he leaves, Mary Jo--like I mentioned earlier--was not familiar w/the area, it was dark, she wasn't accustomed to a big, powerful car like the Buick (she drove a VW bug) and she was inebriated. The Dyke Bridge has to be approached with caution; no one had driven off it it before & no one has since. But Mary Jo's judgement was blunted, she drove the car too fast & ended up careening off the bridge, landing upside down in Pocha Pond. Of course she's terrified & panicky, I'm sure she yelled & cried for help, sadly no one could hear her & no one knew where she was. It was low tide & I get the impression the Buick wasn't completely covered by water, that the tires might have been poking through. Even if the car was covered by water, it wasn't by much, I don't think more than 6 feet. Were any of the windows open? The photos of the car after having been pulled from the pond show 3 windows down. Could Mary Jo have squeezed through a window & escaped. Probably, she was small enough & the water wasn't deep. But how could she know that?
Meanwhile, Ted is back at the cottage, waiting for Mary Jo. When she doesn't reappear after about 30 minutes he starts to get concerned. This is when I think he enlisted the help of Joe Gargan (his cousin & companion) and Paul Markham. They get in Joe's rented car & drive to Dyke Beach, passing over the bridge. They wouldn't have noticed Ted's car in the water while crossing the bridge & the headlights would not have been seen by this time anyway. No Mary Jo. Now they're really confused & worried, perhaps they drive all over Chappaquiddick looking for the Buick. No sign of it. Was there an argument between Ted & Joe/Paul about Mary Jo as depicted in the film? I think there was & but it was about reporting her as a missing person because she WAS missing. I think Joe & Paul wanted Ted to report her missing while Ted didn't, figuring that she's a grown woman, she'll turn up eventually (which she did) and that a person wasn't considered missing until 24 hours had passed. Somehow he gets back to Edgartown (whether he swam or took a little boat is debatable, it doesn't matter except that he was seen by someone at the Shiretown in around 2:30 a.m.)
A few hours later Ted finds out about Mary Jo. He knows he's in big trouble & has to come up with an explanation as to how the corpse of Mary Jo Kopechne ended up in his car, which ended up in Pocha Pond, while Ted is safely back in Edgartown. Papa Joe wasn't in any condition to give advice (that "alibi" in the movie is nonsense, he wasn't speaking or writing at that point), Ted was on his own. Why it never occurred to him to tell the truth is beyond me. He was screwed either way, so he might as well have been honest. Even though he wasn't in the car when it went off the bridge, he knew he was ultimately responsible for what had happened, so he made himself the driver of the car when it went off Dyke Bridge. One thing that was never clear--even Senator Kennedy himself couldn't explain it--was HOW he managed to get out of the car. How could he not remember that? He remembered everything before that moment, everything afterward, but not THAT? There was only one way out--through a window. I believe at least one window was down when the car hit the water. Take a look at the picture of the car & then look at the size of Ted in 1969 and tell me he could slither through the window like an eel. He MIGHT have been able to get out but probably not. Mary Jo, on the other hand, could probably have managed. If she couldn't have gotten out, then he couldn't. If he could get out, she could get out. That's why I feel he wasn't driving at that crucial moment. Edward M. Kennedy had his flaws like anyone else but I refuse to believe he was an inhuman monster who let an innocent young lady drown. If it happened the way he said it did, then a lot of people feel that he didn't call a rescue unit to extract Mary Jo from the car because he was afraid of hurting his political career. But if he DIDN'T go for help, then she was going to die. Which would have been worse for him? He was in BIG trouble either way, so why walk away from a trapped woman? He appeared not to know that a young woman died in his car until he heard the news. That's because he DIDN'T KNOW. He must have been worried & apprehensive, wondering what happened & hoping she was okay. The last thing he expected was finding out that Mary Jo had died in his car.
As for Joe Gargan & Paul Markham, I believe they were hoping--or expecting--that Ted would tell the truth about what happened. He dragged them into this incident & they were involved whether they wanted to be or not. Once Ted gave his version of events (half fact/half fiction), they had two choices: They could go along with his story or they could call him a liar & tell the truth. If they chose the latter, there's no question the Kennedy family would have come down on them like a swarm of hornets. Joe Kennedy may have been incapacitated but Steve Smith (who was running things since Joe's stroke) knew how Papa Joe operated. A good example is Sheriff Huck Look. I read somewhere that after his story was made public, the Kennedys put pressure on him to change it because his story didn't match Ted in the timing (Ted said he left the cottage around 11:15-11:30 p.m. to head back to Edgartown while Sheriff Look saw his car on the road at 12:40 a.m., an hour later.), but Sheriff Look wouldn't back down. He knew what he saw and he knew when he saw it. My guess is that Joe & Paul--because they got sucked into this tragedy--went along with Ted's story because going against the Kennedys would be fruitless. Joe died a year ago, right before the movie was finished.
That's my theory, to me it just makes sense. Mary Jo should never have walked out the door w/Ted, but when you're knocking back the alcohol, you can end up doing things that you normally wouldn't. Ted never lived down that night & spent the rest of his political career working hard to make up for it. The Kopechnes regret that they did not request an autopsy on their only child, the parents died a few years before Ted, those must have been miserable years for them. I think that the Kennedy family bought off the Kopechnes and everyone who attended that party to keep their mouths shut or make sure that no one said anything that didn't line up with Ted's story. We'll never know everything that happened, but I believe that Ted didn't drive off the bridge that night--Mary Jo did, all by herself.
Thanks for your video on Chappiquidick. Found your narration, mapping n other info VERY interesting !
Looking forward to your next notable video. Thanks
how money has been spent to supress this info?
this channel is such a valuable resource. Make sure you have all your videos at home, for WHEN you get you banned.
when asked about what he was going to tell the police he responded "We'll cross that bridge when we get to it"
There is an alternate possibility....that Teddi got out 1/2 way down the road towards the bridge and told Mary Jo to drive on in case the cop followed them....Teddi would not have known about the accident until the following morning when his pals showed up at his motel. The cop said he saw a male driving the car....Teddi had to assume that the cop would testify that he saw the car being driven by a male down the road towards the bridge....therefore he decided to claim it was an accident and he was a hero trying to save her...maybe people would not notice too much that he didn't report the accident immediately. Either story is very sketchy. A solid story for Teddi would have been ...we drove to the ferry...it was closed....Teddi told Mary Jo to go back to the cottage because he was gonna swim over and go back to his motel.....but, alas, the cop could mess that story up....eh, Teddi?
Now explain why Ted wore a neck brace and a guilty look at the inquiry.
@@slypen7450 Teddi wore the brace to fool gullible people like you.
I always amazed with your detail, Thank you.
Ok, I just finished watching the movie. My first question is; Ted got out of the car without a scratch, so either the door or the window must have been open. If Mary Jo had been
conscious, she would have at least seen a way too get out of the car, because the headlights were still on.
She remained alive for hours. If he had told anyone, she would have lived.
The old man was a womanizer. Jack was a womanizer. Bobby was a womanizer, and Ted was a womanizer. Ten years after that TV interview from his daddy's library he made another one in which he says that his was a religious family. Who was the god they worshiped - Eros?
@@marktrain9498 especially guys that just grab unsuspecting women by their genitals.
@@mstewart3711 Distasteful as that kind of talk is, two things should be noted:
1) The "grabbing" was permitted by the women involved - eg "They *let* you do it!" And if you believe that isn't the case, there seems to be a distinct lack of legal action against Trump in that regard
2) Even if it wasn't consensual, some women got groped. Mary Jo Kopechne died. Which outcome is worse, in your opinion?
Pook
I believe after running from the cops, he pulled over, and told mary jo to drive herself home. He walked back to the party thinking all was well. A couple having breakfast reported that he was calm and collected until the guys came and asked to speak to him in private, when at that point he became flustered because he just found out what had happened. It also explains why he didnt call the police, because he didnt know it had happened. He thought the cop was chasing him, to avoid getting caught he gave her the car and walked back.
Ok then explain why Ted wore a neck brace and a guilty look at the inquiry?
@@slypen7450 To sell the story to the media? Are you really from a world where politicians lying and looking a certain way to the camera doesn't exist? The Kennedy political machine was always about looks and making sure they were seen in the best light possible.
I lost all respect for T.Kennedy when I learned the details of this incident. He was nothing but a liar, covering his own butt!
Sick. Just a reminder to the ladies just because he wants to sleep with you doesn’t mean he cares about you.
The duality of justice between us and them. Not much has changed. We would serve 20+ years in prison; he serves as a Senator for 47 years.
To me it makes more sense Kennedy wouldn't shoot off and try and cross the bridge. HE KNEW THE DANGER OF THE BRIDGE. Even if he was drunk he would know not to try it with a big wide car. Better to avoid the Cop, drive off, hidden, then stop the car, get out, tell Mary Jo to drive the car back to the cottage, he'll meet her there. She a small woman couldn't handle the big car, DIDN'T KNOW the bridge, was lost, lost control, drove off it. Kennedy got his aides to get him back to Edgartown not knowing Mary Jo was dead. But he had to have a story because he was seen in his car by the Cop. Better say he got lost (lie he knew the area) drove off the bridge, guilty as charged leaving the sight, but he tried to be the hero.
you are a fruitloop!!
Enjoyed this video. I recently was on Chappaquiddick. Went out to the bridge where it all happened. It is a very tight bridge to go over. Thank you.
Mark Ames thank you for your kind words. I will go there someday in the future because I would like to see it myself. When you went did you fairy your own car across?
Great series of videos,going to watch all of them,definitely getting a thumbs up,btw great commentary
Jane Dough thank you. It’s fun to visit these places from the comfort of my home using Google Earth:)))))
Excellent video and narration. Thank you.
Wanted to research the map and hit you on a Mary Jo search.
Excellent, a belated thank you.
Excellent overview of the events involving Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne.
Interesting, as always, to see it all mapped out. Also a reminder that power trumps money. Unless you're OJ...but then again, maybe OJ doesn't even see a court room if he had TK's clout. Always nice to have the former US attorney riding shotgun while you ride around calculating how to scheme your way out of a tight spot.
Michael B. I completely agree with you! It’s like a giant buddy system in the world of money and politics, i.e. the Illuminati.
or maybe the whole oj event was a "stunt" these people play "roles" in many different capacities....... like breaking into a place to steal your own trophies? lol
WTF are you babbling about. The Clinton's murdered or had him Murdered John F. Kenndey Jr. Always trashing TRUMP.
Michael B. M
Forrest Haggerty the Illuminati makes it sound like a conspiracy. There’s nothing conspiratorial about government corruption its been happening since Roman times
Google maps only shows you a street view if one of their cars photographed it.
Love these videos! Can you do the Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash? Thank you
Debbie Leroy thank you for the kind words. I’m going to look into that one, but I have several others I’m doing first.
"ted kennedy was always drunk back then" best line lol
The remaining question is why didn't Ted tell anyone about it? Usually that is the behavior of a guilty person. But what was he guilty of? Having an affair, drunk driving, and causing the death of a girl (manslaughter) seem like plausible answers.
deerjerkydave I agree 100%!
This is what I was searching for. Thanks Forrest. I guess I need to read the book. I'm still trying to figure out how Ted got out of the car, if he was even in it, when it went over the bridge.
Thomas Kensil you’re welcome and I’m happy you found it helpful!
I'm not a political person. So my comments have nothing to do with either Republican or Democratic position or opinions. After studying as much as could, simply as a history buff, this is in a nutshell I think what happened: They left the party house hoping to have fun together but both were intoxicated. They got spooked at the main island intersection by the deputy Christopher Look. So they spun off right onto the dirt road. At some point, Ted got out of the car worried about his image and started walking back to the cottage. She did not know where she was going and the little bridge had no guardrails.
He had his driver's side window rolled down.
I always thought (in my head) when he was walking back past the houses, that they were big estates up on a hill with a winding driveway or something, so maybe he could get away with saying he didn't see them... but this makes it very clear that the houses were right on the road! Even with the lights out you'd have to be blind not to see every single one of them, a few look like they're 30 feet from the road!
I can't see any scenario where he's not the driver... because he never would have said he was. Nobody there either for him to cover for, I just don't see a viable reason he wouldn't be the driver... but then again I can't see how he got out of the car either (he said he didn't remember).
Joe's Classic Video Games I agree with you. However, saying you don’t remember is a politicians way out. I’m willing to bet he remembered everything but panicked because of his job and who he was.
The whole thing is so surreal. Believe me I'm no Ted Kennedy fan but I just can't understand why he admitted he was the driver when he was obviously lying about all the rest of it. I guess he figured he couldn't lie about being the driver....
It's almost as if, we know he's such a liar, that I'm almost inclined to not believe him when he says he was driving .
The diver said the window was down so maybe he somehow went through the window....but the way he says he doesn't remember how he got out, but he remembers trying the handle, etc. is just so frieking strange.
Joe's Classic Video Games I agree. We will never know what really happened since the only two involved are both dead now. Politicians/lawyers are natural born liars.
Sad to see a pretty young woman get mixed up with such a lowlife. She probably thought he was a great man and she was doing a positive thing working to get him elected, etc.... then he probably had an affair with her and ended up killing her in a drunken bout of idiocy.
He was probably doing crazy things like this nightly, and this is just the one everybody found out about. Likely other dead girls we never even heard about.
That sounds crazy... but is it really any crazier than this story... that he was never even punished for?
Hi. It seems the bridge was an accident ready to happen, based on your description of it - entry at an angle, narrow, no railings. What was the town thinking? Thank you. Your Google presentation was enlightening.
Great Video Forrest. The sad fact is he was arrested for this terrible crime and more amazing he continued to be re-elected for decades.
He was arrested?
While I feel bad for Mary Jo, she knew he was married. Ted deserved to go to prison. She was alive in the car for several hours after it entered the water. He was only worried about himself. The wrong person drowned that night.
The brother least deserving of mercy is the only one to receive it.
I have never heard or read an account as to what Dept. Look did after the vehicle sped off. He was off duty, but I think it would be appropriate if he had gotten back into his police car and followed the vehicle along Dyke road. After all, Look would have known that Dyke road comes to a dead end after the bridge. Certainly the occupants of the vehicle would have been cornered. Had he done that, he would have been able to render assistance immediately after the car went into the water.
(1) Usually when a policeman sees you and you see him and you start speeding away, he follows you just to see what you are up to. (2). If they both had hotel rooms in the same place, why didn't they just go there?
Great video. I saw a documentary where the investigators don't even believe Ted was in the car when it went into the water. They think he bailed when the cop spotted them and she drove the car off the bridge because she wasn't familiar with the roads. He apparently didn't learn what happened until the next morning.
Jew and Greek that would make sense except his friends back at the cabin said he was wet when they first saw him.
I’m happy you enjoyed the video!:)))
his sworn testimony said he made repeated attempts to rescue her!
@Piatequila You got that right. He was a politician of the highest order and I don't know a single one of them that are great examples of telling the truth. Every damn last one of them lies right to your face while stabbing you in the back.
My theory is that half way down Dike Rd they stopped and Ted got out. To separate himself from the girl (affair allegation) and a drunk driving charge in the event the cop was following them. The plan was for Ted to walk back to his hotel and pretend nothing ever happened, and for Mary Jo to drive out the beach and wait till the cop gave up searching and went away. Then she could return to the party in the car. They were in a panic thinking the officer was pursuing them. Once Ted was out of the car Mary Jo, drunk and scared, took off seeding towards the bridge, went off into the water, and was trapped in the car alone until she suffocated in the air pocket. Ted walks back to the ferry landing, gets across somehow, and is seen at the hotel at 230 am. The next day when the car is found he is unaware and has to launch into a cover up that he never anticipated. They version he comes up with where he was driving is an attempt to seen valiant and heroic, as if he tried to save her. The truth simply paints him as a drunk and adulterer.
Yes. They were both drunk. He was not in the car when it went into the water. He let her drive after they were spotted by the cop and he walked back to the party and got back to the hotel dry as a bone. He had no knowledge of her accidental death until the next morning. Then he and his buddies cooked up this totally unbelievable story and all the attendees at the party kept their mouths shut. He was a Kennedy after all and was going to be the next one in line to be Prez after his brothers were murdered.
If she was pregnant like people say then he certainly had no problem letting her die knowing it might be his kid.
Kennedy should have resigned after this incident - disgusting the way he handled it. He should have come clean and taken total responsibility for his actions - coward
Teddy should have been tried for manslaughter. What a miserable excuse for a human being! He defines the word coward. Thanks Forrest for another great video.
Have you ever observed the behavior of people with substance or alcohol abuse problems? Eerily similar.
i saw the movie in 2017, did not what all had happened before, but just clips of it before i saw the movie, but this google map that you did cleared every thing up. Thanks!
Movie is wrong and so is this video.
Wow this is a new version as I understood it and what the locals told me.
Excellent! Really puts it all in perspective.
Thank you for this great presentation. I just saw the movie and it peaked my interest to look at it on Google Earth. Being from California, I never really understood the lay of the land. You explained all this better then the movie. To me the most amazing part of the story was how Massachusetts overwhelmingly re-elected the killer. Wow.
Keep it green.. Never rest on this.. NEVER forget.. I don't know if you did Robert Blake yet ... The guy that murdered his wife... but you should...
If Ted Kennedy was such a "ladies man", why did it take him 24 hours to open a car door for Mary Jo Kopechne ???
Another good question is how he managed to get out of the car. Once the car went in the water, I think it would have been impossible to open the door. Apparently, the driver's side window was rolled down nearly all the way, but could a man of Kennedy's size have gotten out the window? I don't know. Could he have bailed from the car at the last moment before it went off? I suppose it's possible. I know that there are those who say that Kennedy wasn't driving, that he got out of the car and ran away when Deputy Look approached them and that Kennedy knew nothing of the accident until the next morning. In my opinion, it seems to be plausible in terms of him not having to defy the odds of escaping the vehicle, but it falls to pieces after that. First, I think Deputy Look would have noticed if Ted got out of the car. Second, Mary Jo would have had to most likely move over from the passenger side to the driver side before speeding away. Again, Deputy Look would have notice this. Third, assuming all of this did happen, why would Ted feel the need to swim across the channel to Martha's Vineyard fully clothed and leave Mary Jo with his car that he knew sped off in the wrong direction rather than returning to the cottage? Fourth, how would Gargan and Markham found out about the accident on their own so early the next morning? Fifth, why would Ted confess to being the driver, putting himself at risk of being charged with manslaughter if he wasn't the driver? Could he have gotten out of the car between the time the car sped away from the deputy and the time it went over the bridge? I suppose so, but if the deputy wasn't pursuing, why do that? Also, after the dust settled in this whole sorry episode, I believe that Gargan distanced himself from Ted (the movie closing said he was "estranged" from Ted). If Ted wasn't driving and didn't find out about this until the next morning, why would Gargan do that? Even if this highly unlikely scenario is true, Kennedy still told multiple lies to the police about his involvement in a death investigation- real classy guy.
I think he had to be the driver, but how he got out of the vehicle is what is perplexing.
At breakfast next morning, he was chatting to the the hotel-guests in a carefree spirit, when the two lawyers came to collect him. It was obviously the first he'd heard of the tragedy.
I just watched the movie. Amazing how the Kennedys claim to be so religious. The difference between religious and having a personal relationship with God, is having a moral compass. Clearly a moral compass is absent in the Kennedy family. Poor girl!
Karen Skultety excellent point and I agree with you 100%. No personal relationship with Him.
I agree with your explanation except I believe after they saw the police car they drove down the road a short distance (road is 9/10 of a mile I measured it) and Ted got out of the car and said I will walk down and meet you by the beach. So if the policeman came down he would not be in car with her and she could say she made a wrong turn. The road at that time was a gravel road so if you made a turn off the paved road you would know you were no longer on the paved road. MaryJo was driving fast, and unfamiliar with the road, drove right off the side of the bridge as you said. Teddy Bear was not even in the car. With the car upside down and jo, under the influence, I doubt Teddy could get out of the car himself. I believe that is why MaryJo's parents didn't make a larger deal of the accident because he told them that she was actually driving the car. This theory explains away a lot of the confusion.
How can someone who is pissed drunk swim across a body of water that has a lot of current?
That was interesting, right to the point!
And that POS lived a very wealthy life off the tax payers of Massachusetts for a long time... also: what happened to the Deputy that seen them at the intersection? Seems he could’ve chased him down and at least seen Ted walking back... off duty no duty back then?
Great work ! Other theories say he stopped befor the bridge , told Mary to go on with out him fearing the cop was pursuing them .
Didn't want to be caught drunk with her . She then drove at high rate of speed and crashed into the water..
Forrest Haggerty Wow. Thanks a lot. That was a horrible accident but the female (regardless) of her position - was truly left to *die* . Kennedy was cowardly and spineless . How he got away with the time span of NOT CALLING TO REPORT the accident was an absolute cover up.
why didnt the deputy Christopher Look , follow him? Just prior to Kennedy driving off the bridge, according to this report.
1122ss he was just going to ask them if they needed help with anything and they drove off. They were also not doing anything illegal.
The deputy wasn't motivated to follow them. He was only wanting ask whether they were lost.
1122ss Well, he didn't. That is not The Bronx or Chicago, you know, he was coming off duty and going home. The car took off fast but he had no reason for a hot pursuit.
You guys r absolutely nuts, how about suspicion!!!!! if a police officer Approaches Your vehicle and you speed off You’re going to be in a high-speed chase 100% guarantee. He realized who it was called his boss and and was told to leave it alone. Is the most logical Scenario. I think anytime ted was on this tiny island everyone knew he was there.
Oh, you were there!? You personally knew TK, and that " he was drunk all the time"? When does your book come out?
teenie neenie yes
Cool video...you should do one of these on the Amityville murders.
These are great. Just curious, do you work in law enforcement?
Flying Filipino no. I’m a middle school teacher and I love finding the details of events. :))). I’m happy you enjoyed it!
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You missed your calling as either a detective or professor of history.
Every time I watch this video, and I've rewatched it many times, I have a good chuckle at the pure disapproval at 4:10.. "most likely going to have *sex* with" XD
Sounds like you caught my subtle sense of humor:)))))))
Thanks. Outstanding excellent job with this video you put together.
Michael Franke thank you for the kind words! I’m happy you enjoyed it.
Ted's drowning.
In a sea of flames in Hell !
Thanks for the great detail.
aportos you’re welcome. I’m happy you enjoyed it!
Damn, this is so good, but he just got one thing wrong. Experts have concluded Ted at some point before getting to the bridge got out of the car and had Mary Jo drive on alone, so he wouldn't be caught in a car with a pretty blonde. She, being unfamiliar with the car and the bridge, foolishly tried to go over it, and died. Ted, being drunk, 37, bad back from 1964 plane crash, midnight, upside down in water, surely would not have survived driving off a bridge, let alone walk back soaking wet to the house to summon help. He was in dry clothes all night. He made it up because he felt guilty about making her take the wheel to save his skin.
He could not have been in dry clothes all night. He made it back to Edgartown after the last ferry left at midnight. He said he swam over - if he had a boat, why lie about that? People who Kennedy talked to at the Inn in the morning said he did not appear to be upset until his friends arrived and had a private talk with him.
Excellent video. Well done.
Ted leaves with Mary jo tells everyone he’s going back to edgertown but drives to the other side of the island to a beach he swam at that morning.Sure sounds like he was going to get a little something something. I’m sure he wasn’t fooling Joan, just why did she wait til 83 to divorce him.
This video really emphasizes how terrible this incident was
Moral of the story: don't go drinking and driving with a white guy whose guilty conscience gets the best of him.
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What’s a possible scenario in which he could have escaped the car but she did not? Assuming of course she was still conscious up to 3 hours like they think. Surely she would keep trying everything possible and could find his means of escape. I’m seriously asking. This isn’t a rhetorical question.
Anita Break there is no possible scenario. The coward left her there in a panic in order to preserve his political career.
Forrest Haggerty Ya, I can’t get past that point in his story. I figured I must be missing something because I’ve not heard anyone else question it in any documentaries. Until that can be explained I’ve assumed everything else to follow in his bizarre story can’t be true.
Anita Break the thing that bothers me is that if any peasant or commoner did this they would do time for manslaughter and not be able to slime their way out of it like Ted slimed his way out of it.
Forrest Haggerty agreed! Smh
You do a very good job. Starting May 12 we have the Golden State Killer preliminary hearing in Sacramento, CA. You really need to do that. It is quite an undertaking . Yet, you need to do it. He chose victims because of flood control channels and planed escape routes. It’s really confusing. Lot’s of people will watch if you do this. The geographic relations of the murders in Goleta along with witnesses, escape routes are very interesting. His brother lived in walking distance of two murders.
Two tier Justice System still fully in place.
Thank you, this is a great video
Thank you for your comment! I appreciate it!!!
The Shiretown is the Edgartown Inn now. A couple of doors south of the building you showed, but it’s there, pretty much the same.
Frater Agiel thank you for the correction. I’m going to have to make a future video correcting all my mistakes:))))
Wow Forrest Haggerty, i have a connection not only to this video but your 9/11 video. I posted a long post on the 9/11 video, but my great grandmother lived next to Mary and her parents for years before they moved to Caldwell and kept in touch with her family in some way until she died in 2011. She has lots of pictures of my mother that coincidentally included the neighbors child as well, Mary. Every year, on the anniversary of her death, a memorial is held on what we locals refer to Larksville Mt. The cemetery she is buried in seems to be the primary burial for her family because, thankfully, she is surrounded by them. Without looking it up i dont know the exact number, but i believe her family roots in Luzerne County go back almost 300 years and her ancestors fought in wars with the local indian tribes on the banks of the Susquehanna River in 1778 (war of wyoming) likely in the civil war and i know for a fact my great great great grandfather worked in the same coal shaft as her great gramdfather. Its sad that she is known for the gruesome way she died and not for the astronomical amount of history she and her family have in Luzerne County, Pa. I think i heard you say you are a teacher, are you a history teacher? Im what you call a local "historian buff" so if i ever run out of ideas, i would suggest a few lesser known events like the Avondale Mine disaster or Knox mine disaster. Very interesting stuff. Theres more to the survival of men then what most people realize. They werent trapped in the Andes Mountains for 72 days, but being trapped 500 ft underground with water rushing in from all directions and to somehow dig and claw your way a half mile down river up a shaft to safety was pretty harrowing
Thomas Daniels very interesting. I’m guessing your great grandmother had some stories about Mary.