Off-duty Pilot tries to crash plane: How was he in the cockpit? | LiveNOW from FOX
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2023
- An off-duty pilot is facing 83 counts of attempted murder, accused of shutting down a plane's engines mid-flight. According to investigators Joe Emerson was in the jump seat of the plane when it all went down. Crew members had to tackle Emerson, and quickly turn the engines back on. Keith Jeffries, former TSA and VP of K2 Security Screening Group. Family members say Emerson is "a family man."
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This is reminiscent of how a few years ago, a German co-pilot locked pilot out of cockpit, and purposely crashed plane into a mountain.
Yeah duh.
How quickly everyone forgot about that
Very different I believe. His intent was purely malicious and psychopathic. This guy here turned psychotic after taking mushrooms combined with sleep deprivation. But yes, reminiscent.
That incident just increases my fear of flying.
Not because the aircraft is unsafe but because my life is on the hands of 2 pilots which we don't know about their mental state.
Yes, indeed.
when a pilot lets the intrusive thoughts win
Here are red flags: no pants and playing yukelele during the flight. 🤣
These kind of events are going keep happening until the FAA wakes up and allows those who need mental health care services to seek help without fear of jeopardizing their certificates.
this..!
Interesting. They have no fear of deliberate death, but are afraid losing their license.
@@westerlywinds5684 we don’t have licenses, we have Airmen and Medical certificates. And I’m sure they’re not afraid of losing either once they’re suicidal. My point revolves around the idea of getting the mental health care they need before deteriorating to that condition.
I flew the E175 for six years. I've been in the airlines for ten years, at my fourth and hopefully final company now. I have taken a psych test twice. These are in the form of questions like, I sometimes feel sad: strongly agree, agree, etc. You've all seen them. Delta has for a long time used one of these in addition to a second day interview for pilots with a psychologist. One of the ways you can fail is actually for inconsistency; by trying to outsmart the test. At my current major airline, nothing. There was a ten year job and address history, and I had to provide a lot of references whom they did call.
My point is, any company, if they even do a psych eval or background check, almost always only does it at the date of hire. It's a snapshot. Are you mentally healthy now? Or have you been up until now? But the problem is, that's all useless if you don't follow up. Things happen to people. Marriages fall apart, children die, finances get out of control, contract negotiations (especially at airlines) drag on, and suddenly your dream airline is the enemy. Mental health is a moving target. Nobody does a follow up. And in the airlines, and under FAA jurisdiction, it is incredibly hard to get mental health care without jeopardizing your career. Even ADHD can end your career, even if you can do the job perfectly. One big issue is that that the majority of this is predominantly run by white men - yes I am one of them - (the airlines, the pilots, the FAA), who have ironically, the highest rates of suicide in the country. UA-cam creator Tank the Tech, did a reaction to a long three part song by Lorna Shore (very very heavy metal) that dealt with suicide and depression, and he said something that really stuck with me. "Toxic Masculinity." This idea that you are weak if you show emotion and have a mental health issue. Go watch the hospital tent scene in the movie "Patton" and you'll see what I'm getting at.
There are almost always signs when you look after the fact. The German Wings pilot, the FedEx guy who attacked a crew with axes, the Columbine kids. They all had signs beforehand. None got help. I have a bad feeling about how this will turn out. This guy will get what he "deserves." His career and life are done. He will be used as an example. Meanwhile, they will try to add regulation to make pilots' already hard lives harder instead of creating more systems to help pilots save their careers.
As an E175 flyer, can you tell me if the fire handles can be pulled without there being a fire? On Boeings, you have to additionally push a hidden override switch. When you do a fire test, you can hear the handles unlocking.
Hey retail stores use these. Like if you want to be in retail your crazy!
Had he succeeded in turning the engines off, what happens? The plane doesn’t just drop out of the sky. I’m sure there’s some gliding happening while they start the engines back up…right?
@@YTuser999 Correct. On most jets, if you idle engines, you can usually travel 3 times the altitude (divided by 1000) before you hit sea level. e.g. From 35,000 feet, you would glide 105 nautical miles or so. Turning off the engines completely shortens that distance, but the plane wouldn't fall out of the sky.
Because the engines are windmilling, the engine-driven hydraulic pumps would provide enough hydraulic power to operate the basic flight controls. Batteries or other devices would power the instruments. Restarting the engines may be done with the help of windmilling engines or with an Auxilliary Power Unit (APU) which is battery started. Some engines are a little fussy about altitude and may not start at really high altitudes, but assuming you are not flying over mountains, you would be able to attempt many restarts.
Life in prison. No parole.
The sad thing is that now the airlines will reevaluate their jump seat agreements.
It only takes one jerk to ruin it for everyone else.
That has got to be the most annoying voice I've ever heard coming out of a news caster.
Hahaha
So damn NASALLYYYY and monotone 🙄🙄
As a 42+ year airline employee, this one has me baffled. None of it makes sense. If he wanted to crash a plane, he could have waited until his next flight when he'd actually be at the controls of a 737. Why do it as a jumpseater? Also, how is it possible that he was not successful, at least on one engine? Pulling a fire handle is about as difficult as turning a doorknob. You'd think he'd surprise the pilots enough to get at least one of them pulled. Also, it's difficult enough to get out of the Captain's or First Officer's seats under normal circumstances, having a guy fighting with you, who has a lot more space in the cockpit than you do, is not going to be easy unless he simply didn't try to overpower the pilots. Every news station seems to have the same ATC audio, which appears to pick up in the middle of the incident, after the jumpseater was subdued. I wonder why no one has gone back and gotten the initial ATC contact? I sure hope they pull both the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and digital flight data recorder (DFDR) to make sure an incident actually took place and that it wasn't the other 2 pilots who should have been locked up. (now that would make for a good movie..)
Irrational acts cannot be understood by rational analysis. Tossing out an alternative scenario requiring a conspiracy between the two pilots is not helpful. I’m sure the authorities will do what is necessary to figure this out.
The CVR recording would be avaliable ONLY if the crew pulled the breaker to stop the CVR recording. CVR hold only the last 30 min of recording.
@@dummgelauft You're thinking about the old days.. This airplane is only 4 months old and has a modern, combined, DFDR and CVR in one unit. As far as the voice recording capabilities go, it has a 2-hour recording time. Pilots can erase it with the erase button, but only with the aircraft on the ground, with the parking brake set. I have no idea what Horizon's policies & procedures are but, hopefully, they tell the pilots to NOT erase the CVR if there was an incident in flight. This dude acted up about 35 minutes prior to landing at the diversion airport, KPDX.
None of it makes sense because you haven't heard all the facts. He admitted to taking magic mushrooms some time before the flight. His actions weren't rational. He obviously didn't know what he was doing. He later tried to open a cabin door at the rear of the aircraft (even though he was intelligent enough, when not under the influence, to know that this would be impossible due to cabin pressure differential).
This pilot is like: "At the time, it made sense to shut off the engines mid-flight".
Makes sense. 😂
on the no fly list forever xd
The scary thing about this is that he could have done this when he was actually flying the plane as one of the two pilots and if there was no one in the jump seat or the other pilot had left the cockpit for some reason it could be a different story. Apparently now if one pilot leaves the cockpit one of the cabin crew is required to go to the cockpit so that pilots are not left alone but if it was a female flight attendant she might not be able to stop him.
This is the exact thoughts I had in my mind a few weeks ago when I was flying. I couldn't help but to think at the possibility of a pilot bringing the plane down on purpose. Ugh.
Do not underestimate the strength of a female flight attendant...some of them are stronger than men.
What's a "female"?
@@Krystal_Kitty7cmon, the chances of that are so low. Don’t fill your head with these thoughts as all that does is cause anxiety.
In case you hadn't noticed, some men are stronger than other men. I've seen at least one enormously large pilot (who probably shouldn't even be flying). He had trouble getting through the cockpit door.
Anyway, I believe the "baby sitter" is required to call for assistance first, irrespective of gender.
Damn!!! Psychotic break???
I wonder if a passenger list will ever be available... very curious who was on that plane.
I bet he was a CIA asset.
🎯
Someone on that fight must have had major dirt on the Clinton's and Obama's
Wow so scary,No one knows what state of mind a person flying their plane is in!Or what a person flying a plane intends on doing!
Yea they might just got divorce papers when the pilots wife finds your sleeping with flight attendants? NO? If really that’s the case the spouse might have a revenge fling with another pilot?
There's more than one pilot in the cockpit.
Goes to show, you can make excellent wages, and still depressed. I’m a happy bus driver with 1/10th pilot’s wages, but none of us, including colleagues would be that crazy.
He’s getting away with this, while a young truck driver was sentenced to 110 years in jail for having a brake failure. Some Justice. Terrible.
You can’t get in front of crime.
He must have been given a large sum of money for his family to down the plane. So sick. Never let this guy out of prison.
It was pure luck he didn’t try this when one pilot uses the lavatory
Someone must have seen the Mayday episode about Germanwings flight 9525 and co-pilot Andreas Lubitz. Watched it myself the other day on Discovery for the second or third time
Nobody is bulletproof from anxiety, depression, or mental illness.
Mental healthcare should be required in all professions such as doctors ,pilots, postal worker, police officers 😢
He had no business in the cockpit if off duty. He should have been sitting elsewhere on the plane.
It was just a prank, bro!
- Joseph David Emerson
jail him
I think this is the result of the catastrophic type of dealing with mental health issues. There has to be a major change in this policy so that pilots can seek mental help.
What happened to the armed Federal Marshalls that used to go on these air flights...rotating like airline personnel.
His covid shots went to his brain 😵
Glad they stopped him.
This is why some people are afraid to fly
Right because this happens daily.
HE WAS RELEASED. I AM SOOOOO MAD WITH THIS DETERMINATION The release of this man in only 30 days is unreal. Shame on those that made and allowed this to happen. And the fact that his wife speaks likes he is a victim too merging him with the passengers and crew sadness is mind boggling.
wtf
He wont be flying anymore!
It needs to be illegal for pilots to use Psychedelic Mushrooms.
He is ruining jump seating for the rest of us!!
Attempted murder.
What the hell is an off-duty pilot doing in the cockpit to start with if he ain't on duty flying the plane he does it need to be there to start with
This is terrifying but somehow expected
Should not permit this situation...let them sit outside
I think they need to have more medical test before they fly. He was depressed six months ago. He should not have been allowed on that flight. More strict security needed on staff
Painfully ridiculous questions. What a waste of this experts time. We ‘re hoping to learn about the motive and psychology involved here. Who gives a crap about the specifics of a “jump seat?”
so no mention of his social media posts? I wonder why...
Is it cause he's whyte ?!
If he was hitching a ride to "work" then why would he have been up 40 hours and doing mushrooms before boarding this plane? I think there needs to be a lot more digging before letting this thing go and possibly getting off or a slap on the wrist. Something doesn't smell right about this situation. We all have bad days but responsible good people don't go to work after being up 40 straight hours while doing "shrooms" and especially with so many lives he's responsible for. Another thing that bothers me is he says he's been depressed for 4 months, I can tell when my husband or my kids are feeling down or if something is wrong or bothering them and I talk to them about it. I've had coworkers I could detect were having a depressed day and when in management I knew when an employee needed to take a day off or seek help if an ongoing problem existed. Spouces who care along with friends and certainly bosses can sense when one is having a problem, just saying and yes it's a high stress job and a very responsible one even more reason to take a pulse in the life of family, friend or an employee. even more reason to notice someone your putting your life in their hands like a copilot etc. And why would someone in a happy family life who loved his kids and was happy want to take his life let alone the lives of 83 souls on board as well? Unless someone is deeply depressed or having a mental breakdown they don't want to die let along murder 82 other people with them. I never understood why suicidel people have to kill their families and or others lives with them those other people had lives and a right to them. Someone should have noticed something was off and guestioned what was wrong. The look between him and his lawyer was a questioning look if your paying attention like "what's up or anything new or what are you thinking my chances are?" One would think all this would have been discussed between them before a court appearence and then he was taken back out after conferring with his attorney. Just seems odd to me. I have a lot of guestions that bother me. Do you?
Look at the big smile of the Devil, Don’t trust the Smiles it’s him.
People are losing their minds, every day now.
Suppose, the flying pilots were women who might not be physically strong enough to grapple with such a person ? Would he have succeeded in his effort?
All they would have had to do is push a button that unlocks the cockpit door and yelled for help, someone on the flight would have been strong enough to subdue him while the other pilots take back control of the plane (long before it would have gotten low enough to crash). If you've ever seen the Mayday episode on Germanwings fight 9525 when co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was left alone in the cockpit (pilot stepped out to use the washroom) all that needed to be done was for the unlock door button to be pushed but Lubitz was on a suicide mission and never let the pilot back into the cockpit. That crash is the main reason why it is now required that at least two flight employees be in the cockpit at all times on commercial flights
Show the actual aircraft type!
lol they got a subject matter expert on planes that is the VP of a security company. Go on please tell us how airplanes work 😂😂.
These Stop Oil protesters are getting out of hand.
I don't think sky marshalls are a real thing. This is the 3rd nut job pilot I've heard of and there's a never ending list of stories involving nutty passengers. I have yet to hear of a sky marshall resolving any of it.
That photo of him with the sunglasses and yucalele is a red flag.
This guys just a pencil pusher, the cockpit doors are locked and the passengers wouldnt have known, also pilots go through a daily screener asking them how they feel before flying. I could do this guys job
Cause off duty pilots especially if their company can be allowed to ride on the jump seat it has to be authorized by the operating captain. As long as they are an approved partner carrier every airline has diffrent rules.
That photo they keep showing of the "crazed pilot" looks super sketchy like major photoshop vibes...
It's possible he wasn't in his right mind. But we cannot fully excuse his actions for that, only seek to better understand them and maybe help him if he wants it.
lol like was he on a acid trip? maybe stop dropping acid man? There is no help for this action or excuse like he was not in the right state of mind. cmon be realistic here and sympathetic to this action smh
It's possible you aren't in your right mind either. Go grab another out of your basket of excuses and please keep it to yourself this time.
Lol that's what I'm doing, I'm showing sympathy for a person who probably snapped. Dude should still rot in prison. You don't get to almost try to kill 83 people and walk away... I made this comment because the interviews kept saying how sad it was and they felt bad for the guy cause he would never do something like this. @joebutta7539@@Joshua-jf3df
Lol, who's making excuses? I can't acknowledge that the guy was probably having a once in a lifetime episode and still think he should rot in prison for trying to kill 83 people? Don't be such a snowflake.@@joebutta7539
Did he have divorce papers served that morning.
Maybe he was trying to stop n pick up DB Cooper. 😅🤣😂
Sound like a panic attack, I go thru the same thing, but it also depends on your mental strength to advise you not to do that foolish bull, it's hard to control sometimes tho, I don't know every situation, I just know mine, now I have Hershel Walker Syndrome, and i quess now i have Wild Flyguy Syndrome 😢😮😢
“Why was he in the cockpit?” He was in the jump seat. Pilots are allowed to do that.
The jumpseat is also used when pilots are in training where a training captain or a safety pilot would sit
🙄I’d bet this careless co-pilot was at a pro-pali protest.
Where is or was the air Marshal on board?...was he informed about the incident.
Clickbait. Pilots routinely fly jumpseat deadheading as a professional courtesy.
Is it possible for airlines to give pilots and employees modular fire alarms, like a LifeAlert button, instead of hard wired fire suppression handles? This mechanism makes it too easy for mentally unwell to malicious people to access and sabotage a critical system. What kind of safety measures were installed to prevent tampering of such a vital part of the plane? Is there a manual override in case of accidential or intentional activation? Lots of questions to follow up on. All I know is that if I was a passenger on a plane and this potential catastrophe happened, this would make me think twice about hopping on another flight ever again.
Why wouldn't he just nose dive? Why float down? Doesn't pass the smell test so far.
It would better to let the experts figure this out.
I think Josh is the lock picking lawyer.
lock picking lawyers 😂 voice? am i wrong
This headline is stupid and shows how uneducated the media is with Aviation.
What are the things that could’ve happened? We know the reports of the jump seater pulling the extinguishers but is it impossible it’s something completely different?
Just saying, this would be a very cunning and unique way to setup a disliked employee. You and your partner just plan this out. Maybe they have a sign and they both create a wrestling around sound. One yells out, “Don’t touch that. You’ll kill us.” Then you can both “subdue him” and “put him in cuffs in the back jumpseat”. Just saying everything isn’t always what it seems. And going solely off of witness statements and audio, can be a hindrance and a road block for potential undiscovered possibilities.
Note: I don’t know if this is the case here. And hopefully there’s video of the event taking place inside the cockpit. I just bring this up because we as humans are easily misled especially with stories like this popping up before investigations are completed.
Even though if he shut down one engine, the plane could fly with just one engine without any problems. I'm not an expert of course, but two things could have happened:
1- the pilots would try to restart the engine, (the one he just turned off and not pulled the fire extinguisher of course) which is somehow possible, but the chances of doing it sucessfully is not high.
2- the aircraft doesn't fall like a dead bird. It can glide a long distance. The pilots could fly to the closest airport and land safely.
There must be more to this story... Hope there isn't some knee-jerk reaction to this isolated episode.
I recently flew from TX to Albuquerque and I couldn't help but to think of the chances of a pilot bringing the plane down on purpose, and look now. So scary. You never know what someone is going through.
OK drama clown.
Why was he there?
Pilots often ride in the jump seat if they are trying to get back to their home base.
Repositioning to SFO
Pretty crazy
He was on shrooms and depressed
You think they would have learned by now. Only assigned pilots in cockpit. Hello!!!
where is the mugshot?!
Clearly this particular airline doesn't have any protocols for " Mental Issues " ! I wonder if any airlines have ? Was this guy " Blackmailed " into this action ?
What is the problem here? He was trying to be carbon zero just like the government wants us all to be.
Witnesses (Passengers) said this guy went to the back of the plane on his own.
Meaning only that he wasn’t carried back there.
it is just me or is that VP of screening security group looks like Bill Bur?
I'll bet there is an affair involved in this.
I wish they could program airlines to fly themselves so we don't have to be at the constant mercy of someone's emotional state of mind. 😢
Like you letting your tesla do everything. Hasnt worked right yet, and cars only have two axises
@@ronoconnor8971If they can precisely send rockets to a certain target across the ocean, they can apply that technology to airliners too. I’m sure it’s just around the corner. Ships already have it applied.
Honestly Good reporting. and a Great Job the Pilots did to Stop the Nut Case.. I don't believe there was any way you would or could know what someone else has and what intent someone else has on their mind..
I have known Keith Jefferies for years and he will never give out bad information.
Question is, could the pilots have restarted the engines?
no, gliding to land
Yes. You just push the handles back into their stowed position. The engines can be restarted using the assistance of airspeed ("windmill start") or by using a battery-started jet engine in the tail (which provides pressurised air to turn the engine). The handles cut off fuel and a few other things, none of which can't be reset.
THEY BETTER TIGHTEN UP THE AUTHORIZATIONS PROCESS, ANSWERS ARE DUE .
What's scary, he could have waited until he was flying himself, with a co-pilot that was inferior in physical strength.. 🤔
All the other pilot who was inferior in physical strength would have had to do is push a button that unlocks the cockpit door and yelled for help, someone on the flight would have been strong enough to subdue him while the other pilot take back control of the plane (long before it would have gotten low enough to crash). If you've ever seen the Mayday episode on Germanwings fight 9525 when co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was left alone in the cockpit (pilot stepped out to use the washroom) all that needed to be done was for the unlock door button to be pushed but Lubitz was on a suicide mission and never let the pilot back into the cockpit. That crash is the main reason why it is now required that at least two flight employees be in the cockpit at all times on commercial flights. The only real chance of something like that happening now a days is if both pilots are in on the suicide mission together and neither has remorse/second thoughts part way through
That village idiot Jaamar Bowman pulled a fire alarm in the Congessional building and nothing happened to him. Maybe this was an "innocent mistake " as well.
It was Mentour pilot.
What does this guy look like 😮
He's a white guy. His picture is in the thumbnail.
Maybe take a bus next time? But then again , that could possibly into something like that movie "Speed" with Keanu Reaves.
I’m a tourbus / coach driver, and no weirdness with me, my colleagues or anything that is of concern. We check on each other, tell on each other. The passengers on my bus mean a lot to me, and to my colleagues. We might not make pilots wages, but we are responsible. Just to assure you and anyone reading this.
I think they just double the charges? But I can be wrong
No. He is charged with two separate crimes for each passenger because he might be acquitted of one charge and convicted of the other. There is nothing unusual about the way he was charged.
@GH-oi2jf oh! So that's what happened! My news channel didn't go into it well so it confused me. That makes sense thanks for sharing
Omg
Prank gone wrong
Mental health problems
LOL !!... Only when they're whyte. I love it.
This is very unusual. This pilot's only excuse for this behavior would be some kind of medical issue, perhaps a brain tumor affecting his personality and rational decision making? Medication side effect? Who knows?😮😮😮
He was handsome. They love him long time in prison.
Mental health care focus on Aviation pilots a new beginning...
Not sure I believe this happened the way their saying!?!?🤔
So basically any psychopath can be your piloting your plane? time to bring in artifical intelligence
Until aI goes rogue
And hope that whoever programs your AI is not a psychopath
Artificial intelligence cannot deal with all emergency cases. It’s not as flexible as a badass pilot. It would crash when things happen which the airline didn’t anticipate like it happened many times in Cockpits. Tesla cars are already showing us how inflexible the bots are in extreme cases (million dollar punishments due to death Tesla has )
🎉❤You did a phenomenal job aa the interviewer. You are excellent at your job for Fox news. Thanks for the update and I sure hope you see my message here.🎉❤
I thought so too!
The off-duty guy is a friend of the pilot. They have a lot to catch up on. That's why he is allowed into the cockpit..
He was taking magic mushrooms, so wasn't that what Harry Markle was promoting
It’s been reported that he screamed “in the name of Jesus” before trying to crash the plane and that he’s a long time Christian Evangelical.
Satan is a great imposter. No Christian will do this.
Have a US Marshal as the only person to sit in the cockpit jump set. Just an idea. Take care of each other, be safe, GOD bless. Peace
Only pilots are allowed in the cockpit jump seat. You definitely wouldn’t think a pilot would try such a thing
Until we have a Marshal that has a breakdown.
@@uhohhhstevenpilots, dispatchers, FAA inspectors, sometimes flight attendants enter the cockpit, sometimes mechanics are allowed.
@@uhohhhsteventhat’s not true. Authorized crew members including NTSB and FAA representatives, deadheading pilots or flight attendants and authorized maintenance techs
What if the Marshall goes nuts?