Great videos man, I got a suggestion for you, if you don't mind? you ever consider to look at the whole Malibu Comics thing and the Nightman 1997 tv series and the Ultra Verse cartoon? Keep making great and entertaining videos.
While a lot of people dont like this version of the story... i really love it. I understand that by having venom be man-made rather than an alien , they discard all the awesome lore that comes with venom. But on the other hand, they made venom feel more personal by connecting peter's dad to the story and making eddie a childhood friend. The concept of eddie being a childhood friend to peter was so good that it even made it to the spectacular spider man. I guess my only problem with the story is that peter didnt have the suit for too long..... i guess he needed to be with it for a longer time.
Me too, I actually kind of prefer this origin as it makes a lot more narrative sense for why Eddie would hate Peter, and his anger fuels his bond with the symbiote. I especially like how this origin was adapted in arguably one of the best adaptions of Spiderman, i.e the Spectacular Spiderman animated show (2008), where that show much like the comic had Eddie and Peter as childhood friends, whose fathers were scientists partners, and mothers were friends, and they both died, but Peter and Eddie retained a friendship and while Eddie becomes a college lab assistant to Curt Conners, Peter became Spiderman, but his time as Spiderman and possessed by the symbiote simultaneously leading to Eddie getting fired and resentful of Peter's inconsideration and lack of care of others, thus once Peter gets it off and insists on attempting to destroy the symbiote, and thereby destroying Eddies last chance to get his job back, the sybiote in a lastage effort bonds to Eddie and thereby creating a perfect unison of Eddie and the Symbiote's hatred for Peter and Spiderman thus creating Venom
Exactly making Eddie Brock a childhood friend of Peter gives the venom story a much more personal twist for Peter rather then having a guy who just decided to take his anger out on spider man
I also preferred back when venom was part of a alien symbiote race that just bonds with people before they added the whole knull thing and now symbiote's are one of the strongest things out there along with several versions present.
My number 1 desire for a super hero game is for this art style to be used again. Would still like it for spiderman but I know it could work with deadpool.
This is the version of Venom I grew up with. Ultimate Spider-Man was ongoing while I was young and it was the first series I was able to really follow along with and it solidified my love for Spidey (the video game helped too). I had no idea about his alien origins until I was able to watch re-runs of the 90s cartoon.
@@OwenLikesComics Glad your still making Videos about the Ultimatverse. I like to actually know your opinions on the Ultimate FF and X Men. Personally opinion, I think they could have done the FF better, they were Marvel's first Family and did help with Popularity back in the 60s. Ultimate FF had some moments, especially with Ben Grimm, but it feels like we missed out on a lot of Adventures and relationships they could have had. As for The X Men, I do like how the series went how they changed most of the characters from the original, but a similar problem I had with FF I think the X Men could have had a few more Volumes, especially with how it ended with Absolute Power, I know the original ending was Ultimatum, but looking at how Spiderman ended, I just don't think the other series had that same high note.
as is to be expected with that show, Spectacular Spider-Man did such a good job taking what worked from different storylines to make something even better with venom. They kept Eddie being a friend of peter's so that the hatred and animosity would be deeper and more personal, which is probably better than him just being some reporter who hates peter because reasons. The biggest difference is that they actually took the time to set up their friendship before the storyline started, so it didnt feel as sloppy, and brock had reasons outside of the symbiote to hate peter which is so important to getting that story right.
@@srstriker6420In the show it was about him constantly ditching Connors and people who needed him when it counted (even though he was actually running off to be spidey)
I actually kind of prefer this origin of Venom over his reporter origin as it makes a bit more sense for why Eddie would hate Peter, and his anger fuels his bond with the symbiote. I especially like how this origin was adapted in arguably one of the best adaptions of Spiderman, i.e the Spectacular Spiderman animated show (2008), combining both the scientist's childhood best friend origin and the growing resentment/hatred between Eddie and Peter, where that show much like the comic had Eddie and Peter as childhood friends, whose fathers were scientists partners, and mothers were friends, and they both died, but Peter and Eddie retained a friendship and while Eddie becomes a college lab assistant to Curt Conners, Peter became Spiderman, but his time as Spiderman and possessed by the symbiote simultaneously leading to Eddie getting fired and resentful of Peter's inconsideration and lack of care of others, thus once Peter gets it off and insists on attempting to destroy the symbiote, and thereby destroying Eddies last chance to get his job back, the symbiote in a lasting effort bonds to Eddie and thereby creating a perfect unison of Eddie and the Symbiote's hatred for Peter and Spiderman thus creating Venom
Yeah well I was confused about that because the episode called Nature vs Nurture because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents because Megamind handle the concept better
Except the symbiote still comes from space rather than a cure for cancer created by their parents who unlike in the ultimate comics despite passing references from both Pete and Eddie don't have a huge impact on their lives (while we see a picture of Pete's parents it's blink and you miss it and we never get that with Eddie's parents so it doesn't count). Plus we don't get the sense that they have a strong connection and by the third episode Eddie already hates Pete (while yes it was cause Pete ran off to take pictures of the Lizard instead of helping to make the antidote the first two episodes despite Eddie saying he kept Flash and Kenny off Pete's back there doesn't appear to be a stronger bond between them like there was in the ultimate comics so it just feels rushed). For me the best adaptation of Spiderman is Spider-Man TAS (1994) Eddie may not have been Pete's childhood friend but he was his rival at the Bugle whose resentfulness and hatred of Pete and Spider-Man is slowly built up before Pete's possessed by the symbiote and by the time he is Eddie's hate has been established and when Pete tries to destroy the symbiote in a lasting effort bonds thereby creating a perfect union of Eddie and the Symbiote's hatred for Pete and Spiderman as well. Spectacular was basically a hodgepodge of the original and ultimate comics as well as the raimi films which usually led to an inconsistent tone where things weren't excuted well.
@@andrewadams4815What? Spectacular Spider-Man built up the friendship between Peter and Eddie and your final sentence is incredibly wrong. It didn’t have an inconsistent tone at all and executed ideas and plots incredibly well outside of Kraven. The 90s show certainly did it first with that story, but that show didn’t have the best fights and obviously was very melodramatic at times.
@@srstriker6420It was absolutely a lack of honesty and I don’t know how that was confusing in a children’s cartoon. Eddie felt betrayed and no longer trusted Peter. It had nothing to do with the parents at that point. Saying Megamind did it better is pretty funny.
@@DanV900 How did it build up the friendship when by the third episode Eddie already hates Peter (and i know the reasons but my point is that there didn't seem to be a stronger bond that the ultimate comics captured). And by inconsistent tone i meant it meshed stuff from the original and ultimate comics as well as the raimi movies so it wasn't just Kraven that was done poorly. And contrary to popular belief the 90's shows fights weren't as bad or censored as you think they did and as for melodrama didn't the original comics have that too same with the ultimate comics the raimi movies and oh wait even spectacular it wasn't just limited to the 90s show.
Playing as Ultimate Venom in the Ultimate Spider-Man Video Game was a blast. I learned that Ultimate Venom was created by Peter's father Richard Parker and Edward Brock Sr as a cure for a cancer. Unlike 616 Venom, Ultimate Venom was much more ferocious and needed to feast on people to survive. I'm going to read Ultimate Spider-Man Vol 6 because this Venom Variant(no pun intended to Loki) is my favorite. I'm still excited for the return of the Ultimate Universe since Jonathan Hickman is writing Ultimate Spider-Man.
@@peterparker3668 I'm loving the story of Ultimate Peter and MJ being married and having two kids already. I still need to collect 6 comic volumes of Ultimate Spider-Man by Brian Michael Bendis.
Best part about this venom is how they actually made him scary. I love 616 venom but they draw him and make him more a bada** than anything. But in real life if you saw a 9 foot tall, muscular humanoid slime monster with giant white eyes, and razor sharp teeth, you'd wanna move to another planet. And I give Mark Bagley and Brian M Bendis huge credit for actually making venom a terrifying creature.
Ultimate Venom was made to be this abomination that needed to be dealt with or people are gonna die one way or another. Down to eating it's host from the inside. Like something out of John Carpenter's The Thing. It was awesome.
The different aspects of Ultimate Venom - Eddie being Peter's childhood friend, the symbiote being a lab experiment - have been used in enough different adaptations of Spidey media at this point, that I tend to forget just how novel this all was when Bendis and Bagley's story was first published. Thanks for the context and analysis Owen, excellent video!
Part of me wishes that you titled the video something along the lines of “How Ultimate Spider-Man Unleashed 19-Inches of Venom”. Still, ‘Twas a great video. And I love how this story set up a really fun video game with Ultimate Spider-Man (2005).
Always loved this version of Venom's design. While 616 Venom looks cool in his humanoid almost Body Building form, this one looks like such a horror to look at, you sometimes can't tell where it ends or begin, constantly shifting, more of a thing then an actual creature.
The Ultimate Spider-Man game was the gateway for me into the Ultimate Universe. Whenever I read a page from Ultimate I hear Sean Marquettes Peter, and when I got to the venom arc it blew my little child mind away. That being said I really wished they kept the white spider design because that hulking mass with the red eyes never really sat well with me 😅
As much as i like venoms alien origins, you cant dent the impact this version of venom has had on spidey adaptations. I think at this point theres more lab grown versions of the symbiote than space ones
@@OwenLikesComicsSpider-Man 3 took some influence from the ultimate comics too, they called Eddie “Eddie Brock Jr” which was only ever done in the ultimate comics.
As a fan of horror and monster movies, this iteration of Venom is my favorite! And the fact they cited monster movies as a primary inspiration makes this all the more better.
I really prefer the Ultimate symbiote to the 616 one, i dislike all the alien baggage and the symbiote being man-made makes it a much better addiction metaphor. I also love the art style
Alien baggage? I dunno about you but i find nothing scarier than the unknown. People always assume Aliens will be humanoid, sentient and "intelligent", but for the same reasons i like the film 'Life' where it's just an all consuming mass of intelligent cells. I like the Symbiote and the horror it could lead to if a host allows it to feed on your hate. I do like ultimate venom, but it breaks my belief of the existence of its' teeth and tongue knowing it's literally meant to be anti cancer juice. I can believe an alien would evolve those things much more easily.
@@Feetismah yes the "unknown" where the symbiotes are primordial beings of the void and serve the God of the Symbiotes Knull. There is no more mystery to the symbiotes as whole, the culture and creation of the creatures has been revealed. I prefer the Ultimate universe, I don't have an issue with Knull since it ties into Gorr the God Butcher but I prefer Peter's villains to not be some alien/void things. A parasitic symbiote created to cure cancer is way more believable for Spider-Man and his rogues, at least in the Ultimates, he doesn't have this baggage hanging over Venom
Something that I felt should've been touched on in this is what Eddie Brock and the symbiote have in common. Eddie Brock in this world is a parasite, he says he wants to use the suit to cure cancer and have some scientific breakthrough, but in reality it's a front to get people to like him, and as much as we can say Eddie is a scientist in the ultimate continuity, it's implied that Conner's is doing some of if not all the heavy lifting. Much like how the symbiote feeds off it's host, Eddie feeds off everyone and takes advantage of them, like Gwen, like his roommate, like Conners, and like Peter.
What's most compelling about Ultimate Venom is of course the reworked connection between Peter and Eddie. Personally I think it has a lot more to offer than making them collegues and makes Venom feel like the Nega Spider-Man. My only nitpick as far as the comics version goes is being man made (something I'm glad they didn't go with on Insomniac's Spider-Man 2).
@FellowTraveler-tu1qv Well in the beginning, Miles was nothing but Nega Peter Parker. Spider-Verse decided to try and reinvent and make him different. And good thing too.
My first exposure to ultimate venom was from the game, and i personally think the game did the storyline much better than the comic, the comic one felt all over the place while the game felt more grounded, simple and fleshed out.
It's interesting to hear others thoughts on this story arc and how they view the character of Venom. I think the Ultimate version did give much more character to Eddie Brock, most of his backstory in 616 and his connection to the Death of Jean DeWolff storyline was all retroactive continuity. Bendis did a much better job setting Eddie up as a character, and I would say that was the strongest element of this adaptation. The reverse side of that is that the ultimate symbiote is basically robbed of any character and turned into a big evil black blob that wants its host to kill people without obvious motivation, beyond the fact that it is "Bad" and thus wants to do "Bad Things". The alien symbiote from 616 had a personal reason for hating Spider-Man, Peter rejected it's bonding attempt and then tried to kill it. In the original black suit saga the symbiote does exert control over Spider-Man when he's asleep, but it's only to strengthen their bond, and it never tries to anything overtly evil until AFTER it's been traumatically rejected. The symbiote actually saves Peter's life in the church tower after the famous scene where he tears it off while the bells ring, something pretty much every future adaptation would just skip.
Ultimate Carnage was when I started to see flaws with Bendis' writing. Gwen's death was random and only there for shock value. It also becomes annoying when I think that all of volume 1 is just one year and Gwen's death only happened months after Uncle Ben's. Bendis did great work on Gwen's character but ultimately she was fridged just like the 616 version.
So close to 100k my man! I’ll be here celebrating when you get there. You’ve introduced, and reintroduced, many comics I’ve passed over and I can’t thank you enough for it. This video was fantastic too.
This may not be today's 19 inches, but boy, did I reread issues 38 and 39 over and over again in my childhood's library, ever since my mind has not been the same (and don't even get me started on the game). As always, great analysis Owen 😎
616 Venom is a far better character overall but I honestly find Ultimate Eddie’s downfall and reason to hate Peter far more compelling than 616. The symbiote being a man-made cure for cancer instead of an alien was an interesting direction as well.
Venom's story here fits perfectly in the wider arc of the pressures of capitalism & bad actors ruining the possibilities of well-intentioned men that defines Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man.
Since the entire Ultimate Spider-Man run has just been re-released as a hardcover over here in Germany, I'm currently reading the whole series. I absolutely get your fascination for this take on Peter Parker's whole story. Though some of the art doesn't click with me, the storytelling is amazing and unbelievably emotional, especial at the very end with Peter's death and funeral.
I also believe the symbiote being man made makes a lot more sense for its weakness to be fire and sound. It being a chaotic alien that destroys everything it touches but being weak to fire was really hard to take seriously sometimes 🤷🏽♂️
I grew up with the TAS origin and the amazing Spider-Man comic book original one. And the change on the ultimate comics is in perfect line with every change on the ultimate Spider-Man universe. The industrial more high tech capitalistic environment. But the arc is do small in Peter's life. Like i would for him to have the suit longer showing a deeper in time effect like the original run.
To this day, I still want to know what happened to Eddie after being taken by the Beetle in a later story. Then a new Venom was introduced to fight Miles. This is a great story and holds up as a reinvention!
The Ultimate Spider-Man game was my intro to the Ultimate Universe and even as a kid I was very intrigued by the reinvention of Eddie and the Black Suit
As a kid, the video game was my introduction to Venom back on Christmas Day of 2006, and he immediately became one of my favorite Spider-Man villains. After I had already seen the teaser trailer for the black suit in Spider-Man 3, I got a better idea of what it was from the intro of the game. And because of that, I began to connect everything and realized Venom would appear in the then upcoming Spider-Man movie. And the merchandise and toys got me hyped. I couldn't see Spider-Man 3 in theaters because I was scared Venom would "jump out of the screen like they do in the movies" and kill us all, without my mom present. So later, when the DVD came out, I just skipped all the way through, confused on when he would show up, fearing he wasn't in the movie. Until I watched it all the way through, feeling baffled on Bully Maguire, and, even as a 7 year old, was extremely upset at how and when Venom was portrayed, cast, and designed. Even 11 years later, seeing Venom 2018, I was still mad that Venom wasn't that body horror nightmare that he was portrayed in the Ultimate comics. Obviously, he wasn't like that in the original series, but like I mentioned before, the Ultimate version was my introduction to the character. Even now, I still wanna see a scary, badder-ass Venom with elements of horror.
I watched a motion comic video of this storyline few months back. Eddie creeping on teen Gwen and the strain of bonding to the suit, is stuff for nightmares.
Bendis' initial take on Venom being overdone is ironically still relevant today. In light of all the absurd power creep of the Symbiotes in recent years ala Knull etc I still think Venom's reinvention is one the Ultimate Universe success stories. Much like Ultimate Sinister/Apocalypse. It's taking what is known and giving it a fresh spin. Unlike say, Ultimate Deadpool...
The game handled the follow up story way better than the books. Way tighter. A few details in the books were neat, but i think the game had a lot more discipline and focus.
Ultimate venom looks so freaking cool I also find it awesome that the spectacular Spider-Man cartoon used the backstory of ultimate Spiderman comics for Eddie Brock.
I really liked ultimate venom story it was really awesome story and plus we got a great adaptation of this story for the video game ultimate Spider-Man which was really awesome game that told a great story for Ultimate venom and Eddie brock at least in my opinion.
Dare I say the longevity of this story line is more to do with the video game, which brought it to the attention of the masses, than the comic itself. I would also argue that whilst Eddie himself didn’t reappear, the initial story continued to have a lasting impact on the comic. It directly led to Carnage and then the Clone Saga (you didn’t even mention that one), which were excellent story arcs, forcing Peter to contend with his father's legacy even without Venom. I do think that Eddie being a creep with Gwen is by design. That’s supposed to be the point you realise that he isn’t someone Peter should have been trusting, they may have been childhood friends but they had both changed and Eddie was not a nice person anymore. You get hints of this with how his roommate avoids him, Eddie pretending it’s because the roommate is a jerk. It’s not until the end when Peter finally meets the roommate alone who states that it’s the other way around.
This was my go to Spider-Man comics back in the day. My uncle bought me the full trade paperbacks, from Origins to Death, and Miles Morales for my birthday. It was a glorious experience.
Harry Osborn from Amazing Spider Man 2 movie and the new Spider Man 2 game resemble Ultimate Brock/Venom much more than the 616 version. Even tough the idea of Harry becoming Venom came from the Ultimate Spider Man tv show.
May be biased, but I like my version more. For anyone who knows "Evangelion", in my version, the symbiotes are corrupted LCL life forms born from the absence of humans who left Instrumentality, but were unable to cope with such absence. Because the Spider serves as a reality totem, Venom's initial goal is to search for Asuka and Shinji (who were taken away from their home reality to witness a universe filled with actual heroes in an attempt at healing), and consume them. But as you can imagine by the other symbiotes, plans evolve a little.
I definitely feel like, Venom being this sort of man made abomination that consumes humans and twist the host made him more scary for me personally, especially coupled with imagery they added in when carnage gets into the mix
While I like both versions of Venom, this story and build up was more personal and connected between Peter and his parents and also a more personal reason for Eddie to hate Peter. The only thing I regret about Ultimate Venom is that we didn't get more of him honestly. I honestly wish Cates had used the Maker to bring back Ultimate Eddie and have him meet 616 Eddie.
I've always loved the Alien Symbiote storyline in the original earth 616 Spider-Man comics The ultimate spider man symbiote story line although being my favorite Is story arc in ultimate spider man This has unlimited potential Happy Birthday to my favorite Spider-Man Dan Gilvezan From Spider-Man and his amazing friends who is 73 today fantastic video as always thank you Owen
This Venom is one of my favorites rly. The "tumor" tentacles that grow around him is a pretty cool idea. The only thing missing is the huge white spider on his chest, I rly felt the lack of it while reading USM.
I think it's no coincidence that Amazing Spider-man 2 had Harry Osborn basically fulfill the same role as 1610 Eddie, from being a "past childhood friend" to "wanting/needing Spider-man's DNA". Unfortunately the way they handled both of those concepts was really messy and felt very tacked on. I do vaguely remember, at some point, the director Marc Webb sharing an image on Twitter, some time after the first ASM movie, of what resembled the black suit inside of some kind of glass container, really reminiscent of the first showing of it in the comics.
For me, this is the definitive venom origin. The idea of the symbiote amplifying your healing to cure cancer, and that becoming amplifying all your negative qualities too, is a great change. And as you say, that fight in the rain is the image that most sticks out in USM.
I can see how this story influenced both the Spectacular cartoon and the TASM movies to a certain extent. This probably might have even been part of the plot for a third TASM chapter. Ultimate spider-man truly does feature many of the best versions of some of his iconic villains. Please also consider doing a video on the ultimate universe’s version of Mysterio! He was my favorite villain in that series!
It wasn’t going to be part of the plot for TASM 3 where Denis Leary revealed it would have been a resurrection plot and he was supposed to come back. Venom was always getting a separate solo movie like how Kraven wasn’t allowed to be in No Way Home.
I like how eddie and peter were friends which is why i absolutely love ther spiderman 2 version of venom (the recent game) as it also has a similar tie in.
It is unpopular opinion, but many elements of venom re-invention were reintroduced in tasm 2. Just look at the similarities: - Harry is a childhood friend, came out of nowhere (much like Eddie) - his father worked so much in the past with Peter’s on some big cure that can solve cancer problem - eventually Richard’s colleague goes down bad, so in order to protect the invention from bad hands RP bounds it on its own genetic material making bio-stuff applicable to only Parker bloodline
Did you hear about the new Ultimate Spider-Man run? It looks like he is going to get his powers when he is an adult and he already has 2 kids with MJ. I can kind of already see how "Great Power must also have Great Responsibility" will go down in this new book. He gets bit and gets powers. Decides not to do anything with them. He's in a convenience store robbery and doesn't act. Then, the same robber who robbed the convenience store does something that leaves one of his kids dead or nearly dead. And maybe it's tied back into Uncle Ben because Uncle Ben still dies the way he dies in 616, only Peter doesn't have powers so he doesn't feel guilty. But losing or nearly losing one of his kids reminds him of his Uncle Ben's quote "Those with Great Power must also have Great Responsibility."
Owen, this is a great video, and perfect for Halloween 🎃! While I'm not completely on board with, or tge treatment of, ULTIMATE VENOM, I do love the aspect of Brock and Peter having a brotherly Bond and it being tied with the symbiote. Alien or not, this was a very good concept and add a lot of layers to the relationship !( I also enjoyed it in The Spectacular Spiderman series!) Though, It still feels like Brian Michael Bendis doesn't really like Venom as it took a video game and a later story to at least remember Eddie.. that said, I still enjoy your coverage and how you present this video! Great job my friend and have a Long, Happy, Halloween! 🎃❤
Yeah, it always felt like Bendis hit fast-forward during this whole thing. I was subscribed during this run and was strapping in for a long, fun, nuanced retelling of this Saga, then suddenly as it starts its over.
This is probably the Venom people will prefer if they only know Venom from adaptions, since most adaptions like Bendis mostly get Venom wrong and comic Venom is far more (anti) heroic than what people expect. Sadly a lot of the problems I have with this Venom were fixed in that Ultimate Spider-Man video game but while some of it did get adapted into the Ultimate comics it quickly goes its own way instead. (By the way you got your stories criss crossed the game ends with a no longer cannibalistic classically designed Venom thats implied to become a antihero, the comic was the one with the red eyes and had a very different ending) The description that Venom is a dark mirror that reflects what Peter would become if he lost his morals and responsibility does not actually describe the 2 most popular versions of the character, 616!Eddie and 616!Flash. In fact Eddie is VERY earnest about protecting innocent people (heck he is worthy of Mjnor and of being Captain Universe) and has been a good guy longer than he has been a villain. If you can find them I would recommend reading Mike Costa's run on Venom and then Donny Cate's as that would give a good summary of Eddie and Donny's run is the sequel to Mike's run. (Plus you'd get a bit of Flash as well)
Is the “Inheritance” cover at 1:28 an homage to or inspired by another classic image? I thought Tetsuo in AKIRA, but the closest I could come to a reference was the cover for Epic’s translation of issue 3, but that’s just a slightly similar basic pose. Any help would be appreciated, this is really bothering me for some reason.
*spoilers for the spider-man video game* I love how Spider-man 2 blended this story of venom with the Venom alien lore, with trying to use it as a means to cure disease but due to it alien origin they couldn't. it worked so well for the games and since they are making the video game spider-man more or less from the ultimate universe I think it works really well for it!
Came here from remembering the old game on Xbox OG. Venom 's first ever words: "Both our fathers died to create me! Now you will too!" Fucking chills, That was the opening tutorial.
My hope for the new ultimate spider man that if Venom does appear they are a mix of science and magic, somewhere in between Ewings Venom and the Ultimate venom.
That sounds good, considering the new ultimate x-men is having an idea of mutants being tied to folklore and myths...(like, the stories or monsters and creatures are mutants)
Lot of people mistake Venom vein a full fledged villain. His 616 version was a villain light before he squashed his rival wry with spidey and took to becoming a lethal protector. But this version here is truly an evil Venom, prob the most evil one ever honestly. Caring for nothing but destruction and Peter, can’t be negotiated with, and it’s constantly shapeshifting looking like a monstrosity
I’m really excited to see what will happen with this new Ultimate run. It’s been said that it would follow Peter in his later years. Even though Peters death was perfect I always wanted to see Peter reach his prime marry Mary Jane and continue to be the greatest superhero.
I think Insomniac found a good way of incorporating both origin stories -- the symbiote is still alien but is used by scientists as a way to cure diseases. I thought it was a nice balance of both versions.
He was the inciting incident for Ultimates 3, as well! Didn't do much except be the bridge for Spider-Man to join, but worth mentioning. It's not worth
This reminds me of Spider-Man the animated series in a way. Venom and the Symbiote are so interesting, but only after a small handful of stories, they are both just never seen again despite the series lasting long after them. What’s up with that?
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Great videos man, I got a suggestion for you, if you don't mind? you ever consider to look at the whole Malibu Comics thing and the Nightman 1997 tv series and the Ultra Verse cartoon? Keep making great and entertaining videos.
While a lot of people dont like this version of the story... i really love it. I understand that by having venom be man-made rather than an alien , they discard all the awesome lore that comes with venom. But on the other hand, they made venom feel more personal by connecting peter's dad to the story and making eddie a childhood friend. The concept of eddie being a childhood friend to peter was so good that it even made it to the spectacular spider man. I guess my only problem with the story is that peter didnt have the suit for too long..... i guess he needed to be with it for a longer time.
Me too, I actually kind of prefer this origin as it makes a lot more narrative sense for why Eddie would hate Peter, and his anger fuels his bond with the symbiote. I especially like how this origin was adapted in arguably one of the best adaptions of Spiderman, i.e the Spectacular Spiderman animated show (2008), where that show much like the comic had Eddie and Peter as childhood friends, whose fathers were scientists partners, and mothers were friends, and they both died, but Peter and Eddie retained a friendship and while Eddie becomes a college lab assistant to Curt Conners, Peter became Spiderman, but his time as Spiderman and possessed by the symbiote simultaneously leading to Eddie getting fired and resentful of Peter's inconsideration and lack of care of others, thus once Peter gets it off and insists on attempting to destroy the symbiote, and thereby destroying Eddies last chance to get his job back, the sybiote in a lastage effort bonds to Eddie and thereby creating a perfect unison of Eddie and the Symbiote's hatred for Peter and Spiderman thus creating Venom
Spider-Man 2 borrowed some elements from this game.
Exactly making Eddie Brock a childhood friend of Peter gives the venom story a much more personal twist for Peter rather then having a guy who just decided to take his anger out on spider man
I also preferred back when venom was part of a alien symbiote race that just bonds with people before they added the whole knull thing and now symbiote's are one of the strongest things out there along with several versions present.
I prefer it being man made because the symbiote lore became too damn absurd
My number 1 desire for a super hero game is for this art style to be used again. Would still like it for spiderman but I know it could work with deadpool.
I would love a remaster of the game
@@PuffPuff903 that as well
That would be cool!
God I miss thick-outlines
mark bagleys art is so personal to me it’s honestly hard for me to keep reading the book when he’s not the artist
This is the version of Venom I grew up with. Ultimate Spider-Man was ongoing while I was young and it was the first series I was able to really follow along with and it solidified my love for Spidey (the video game helped too). I had no idea about his alien origins until I was able to watch re-runs of the 90s cartoon.
Thanks for sharing!
@@OwenLikesComics Glad your still making Videos about the Ultimatverse. I like to actually know your opinions on the Ultimate FF and X Men.
Personally opinion, I think they could have done the FF better, they were Marvel's first Family and did help with Popularity back in the 60s.
Ultimate FF had some moments, especially with Ben Grimm, but it feels like we missed out on a lot of Adventures and relationships they could have had.
As for The X Men, I do like how the series went how they changed most of the characters from the original, but a similar problem I had with FF I think the X Men could have had a few more Volumes, especially with how it ended with Absolute Power, I know the original ending was Ultimatum, but looking at how Spiderman ended, I just don't think the other series had that same high note.
Same here,
as is to be expected with that show, Spectacular Spider-Man did such a good job taking what worked from different storylines to make something even better with venom.
They kept Eddie being a friend of peter's so that the hatred and animosity would be deeper and more personal, which is probably better than him just being some reporter who hates peter because reasons.
The biggest difference is that they actually took the time to set up their friendship before the storyline started, so it didnt feel as sloppy, and brock had reasons outside of the symbiote to hate peter which is so important to getting that story right.
That show didn't last long but it made every second count
But still kept the fact that it was an alien.
I don’t get it,was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents and have you heard of the original concept of Eddie Brock being a woman?
@@spider-man500yeah that's what I'm saying about how they kept some parts from both stories that worked
@@srstriker6420In the show it was about him constantly ditching Connors and people who needed him when it counted (even though he was actually running off to be spidey)
I actually kind of prefer this origin of Venom over his reporter origin as it makes a bit more sense for why Eddie would hate Peter, and his anger fuels his bond with the symbiote. I especially like how this origin was adapted in arguably one of the best adaptions of Spiderman, i.e the Spectacular Spiderman animated show (2008), combining both the scientist's childhood best friend origin and the growing resentment/hatred between Eddie and Peter, where that show much like the comic had Eddie and Peter as childhood friends, whose fathers were scientists partners, and mothers were friends, and they both died, but Peter and Eddie retained a friendship and while Eddie becomes a college lab assistant to Curt Conners, Peter became Spiderman, but his time as Spiderman and possessed by the symbiote simultaneously leading to Eddie getting fired and resentful of Peter's inconsideration and lack of care of others, thus once Peter gets it off and insists on attempting to destroy the symbiote, and thereby destroying Eddies last chance to get his job back, the symbiote in a lasting effort bonds to Eddie and thereby creating a perfect unison of Eddie and the Symbiote's hatred for Peter and Spiderman thus creating Venom
Yeah well I was confused about that because the episode called Nature vs Nurture because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents because Megamind handle the concept better
Except the symbiote still comes from space rather than a cure for cancer created by their parents who unlike in the ultimate comics despite passing references from both Pete and Eddie don't have a huge impact on their lives (while we see a picture of Pete's parents it's blink and you miss it and we never get that with Eddie's parents so it doesn't count). Plus we don't get the sense that they have a strong connection and by the third episode Eddie already hates Pete (while yes it was cause Pete ran off to take pictures of the Lizard instead of helping to make the antidote the first two episodes despite Eddie saying he kept Flash and Kenny off Pete's back there doesn't appear to be a stronger bond between them like there was in the ultimate comics so it just feels rushed). For me the best adaptation of Spiderman is Spider-Man TAS (1994) Eddie may not have been Pete's childhood friend but he was his rival at the Bugle whose resentfulness and hatred of Pete and Spider-Man is slowly built up before Pete's possessed by the symbiote and by the time he is Eddie's hate has been established and when Pete tries to destroy the symbiote in a lasting effort bonds thereby creating a perfect union of Eddie and the Symbiote's hatred for Pete and Spiderman as well. Spectacular was basically a hodgepodge of the original and ultimate comics as well as the raimi films which usually led to an inconsistent tone where things weren't excuted well.
@@andrewadams4815What? Spectacular Spider-Man built up the friendship between Peter and Eddie and your final sentence is incredibly wrong. It didn’t have an inconsistent tone at all and executed ideas and plots incredibly well outside of Kraven. The 90s show certainly did it first with that story, but that show didn’t have the best fights and obviously was very melodramatic at times.
@@srstriker6420It was absolutely a lack of honesty and I don’t know how that was confusing in a children’s cartoon. Eddie felt betrayed and no longer trusted Peter. It had nothing to do with the parents at that point. Saying Megamind did it better is pretty funny.
@@DanV900 How did it build up the friendship when by the third episode Eddie already hates Peter (and i know the reasons but my point is that there didn't seem to be a stronger bond that the ultimate comics captured). And by inconsistent tone i meant it meshed stuff from the original and ultimate comics as well as the raimi movies so it wasn't just Kraven that was done poorly. And contrary to popular belief the 90's shows fights weren't as bad or censored as you think they did and as for melodrama didn't the original comics have that too same with the ultimate comics the raimi movies and oh wait even spectacular it wasn't just limited to the 90s show.
Playing as Ultimate Venom in the Ultimate Spider-Man Video Game was a blast. I learned that Ultimate Venom was created by Peter's father Richard Parker and Edward Brock Sr as a cure for a cancer. Unlike 616 Venom, Ultimate Venom was much more ferocious and needed to feast on people to survive.
I'm going to read Ultimate Spider-Man Vol 6 because this Venom Variant(no pun intended to Loki) is my favorite.
I'm still excited for the return of the Ultimate Universe since Jonathan Hickman is writing Ultimate Spider-Man.
What are your thoughts on the news of it not continuing the story of 1610 Peter? It’ll be a whole other Peter Parker
@@peterparker3668 I'm loving the story of Ultimate Peter and MJ being married and having two kids already. I still need to collect 6 comic volumes of Ultimate Spider-Man by Brian Michael Bendis.
Best part about this venom is how they actually made him scary. I love 616 venom but they draw him and make him more a bada** than anything. But in real life if you saw a 9 foot tall, muscular humanoid slime monster with giant white eyes, and razor sharp teeth, you'd wanna move to another planet. And I give Mark Bagley and Brian M Bendis huge credit for actually making venom a terrifying creature.
Ultimate Venom was made to be this abomination that needed to be dealt with or people are gonna die one way or another. Down to eating it's host from the inside. Like something out of John Carpenter's The Thing. It was awesome.
The different aspects of Ultimate Venom - Eddie being Peter's childhood friend, the symbiote being a lab experiment - have been used in enough different adaptations of Spidey media at this point, that I tend to forget just how novel this all was when Bendis and Bagley's story was first published.
Thanks for the context and analysis Owen, excellent video!
Part of me wishes that you titled the video something along the lines of “How Ultimate Spider-Man Unleashed 19-Inches of Venom”. Still, ‘Twas a great video. And I love how this story set up a really fun video game with Ultimate Spider-Man (2005).
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I think the true secret was how he reinvented Eddie Brock moreso then the symbiote.
Always loved this version of Venom's design. While 616 Venom looks cool in his humanoid almost Body Building form, this one looks like such a horror to look at, you sometimes can't tell where it ends or begin, constantly shifting, more of a thing then an actual creature.
The game version kinda got that Ronnie Coleman build 😂😂
@@dr.cocacola i wish the game made venoms model look more like it did in the comic
The Ultimate Spider-Man game was the gateway for me into the Ultimate Universe. Whenever I read a page from Ultimate I hear Sean Marquettes Peter, and when I got to the venom arc it blew my little child mind away. That being said I really wished they kept the white spider design because that hulking mass with the red eyes never really sat well with me 😅
Ngl Sean Marquette is my definitive teenage Spider-Man. I'm also big on Neil Patrick Harris from the mtv show. Solid 20s Peter.
As much as i like venoms alien origins, you cant dent the impact this version of venom has had on spidey adaptations. I think at this point theres more lab grown versions of the symbiote than space ones
That's a good point. Besides Spider-Man 3, you could argue every subsequent adaptation has drawn a lot of influence from the Ultimate version.
@@OwenLikesComicsSpider-Man 3 took some influence from the ultimate comics too, they called Eddie “Eddie Brock Jr” which was only ever done in the ultimate comics.
@@The3YARD there are photos on set of Raimi and Maguure reading Ultimate spider man so that checks
@@OwenLikesComics yes and that’s why he made him an irredeemable monster
Venoms a klyntar alien 👽
As a fan of horror and monster movies, this iteration of Venom is my favorite! And the fact they cited monster movies as a primary inspiration makes this all the more better.
I really prefer the Ultimate symbiote to the 616 one, i dislike all the alien baggage and the symbiote being man-made makes it a much better addiction metaphor. I also love the art style
Alien baggage? I dunno about you but i find nothing scarier than the unknown. People always assume Aliens will be humanoid, sentient and "intelligent", but for the same reasons i like the film 'Life' where it's just an all consuming mass of intelligent cells. I like the Symbiote and the horror it could lead to if a host allows it to feed on your hate.
I do like ultimate venom, but it breaks my belief of the existence of its' teeth and tongue knowing it's literally meant to be anti cancer juice. I can believe an alien would evolve those things much more easily.
@@Feetismah yes the "unknown" where the symbiotes are primordial beings of the void and serve the God of the Symbiotes Knull. There is no more mystery to the symbiotes as whole, the culture and creation of the creatures has been revealed. I prefer the Ultimate universe, I don't have an issue with Knull since it ties into Gorr the God Butcher but I prefer Peter's villains to not be some alien/void things.
A parasitic symbiote created to cure cancer is way more believable for Spider-Man and his rogues, at least in the Ultimates, he doesn't have this baggage hanging over Venom
Donny cates Venom is top tier
Something that I felt should've been touched on in this is what Eddie Brock and the symbiote have in common. Eddie Brock in this world is a parasite, he says he wants to use the suit to cure cancer and have some scientific breakthrough, but in reality it's a front to get people to like him, and as much as we can say Eddie is a scientist in the ultimate continuity, it's implied that Conner's is doing some of if not all the heavy lifting.
Much like how the symbiote feeds off it's host, Eddie feeds off everyone and takes advantage of them, like Gwen, like his roommate, like Conners, and like Peter.
What's most compelling about Ultimate Venom is of course the reworked connection between Peter and Eddie. Personally I think it has a lot more to offer than making them collegues and makes Venom feel like the Nega Spider-Man. My only nitpick as far as the comics version goes is being man made (something I'm glad they didn't go with on Insomniac's Spider-Man 2).
Good point!
@FellowTraveler-tu1qv Well in the beginning, Miles was nothing but Nega Peter Parker.
Spider-Verse decided to try and reinvent and make him different. And good thing too.
Ultimate Spider Man this Spider Man comic series takes me back to my childhood. Venom is one of my favorite Marvel comics characters.
Donny cates Venom is what fully sold me on Venom as a standalone character. It will be nice if more people covered that run.
My first exposure to ultimate venom was from the game, and i personally think the game did the storyline much better than the comic, the comic one felt all over the place while the game felt more grounded, simple and fleshed out.
It's interesting to hear others thoughts on this story arc and how they view the character of Venom. I think the Ultimate version did give much more character to Eddie Brock, most of his backstory in 616 and his connection to the Death of Jean DeWolff storyline was all retroactive continuity. Bendis did a much better job setting Eddie up as a character, and I would say that was the strongest element of this adaptation. The reverse side of that is that the ultimate symbiote is basically robbed of any character and turned into a big evil black blob that wants its host to kill people without obvious motivation, beyond the fact that it is "Bad" and thus wants to do "Bad Things". The alien symbiote from 616 had a personal reason for hating Spider-Man, Peter rejected it's bonding attempt and then tried to kill it. In the original black suit saga the symbiote does exert control over Spider-Man when he's asleep, but it's only to strengthen their bond, and it never tries to anything overtly evil until AFTER it's been traumatically rejected. The symbiote actually saves Peter's life in the church tower after the famous scene where he tears it off while the bells ring, something pretty much every future adaptation would just skip.
Ultimate Spider man comics and the video game will always be my favorites.
This is my favorite version of venom. It's such a personal story and it's especially sinister if you take a look at how the PS2 game tackles it
Ultimate Carnage was when I started to see flaws with Bendis' writing. Gwen's death was random and only there for shock value. It also becomes annoying when I think that all of volume 1 is just one year and Gwen's death only happened months after Uncle Ben's. Bendis did great work on Gwen's character but ultimately she was fridged just like the 616 version.
Even tho Eddie was kinda wasted in the end, the Venom arc was my favorite from the run and make Peter and Eddie’s animosity more personal imo
So close to 100k my man! I’ll be here celebrating when you get there. You’ve introduced, and reintroduced, many comics I’ve passed over and I can’t thank you enough for it. This video was fantastic too.
the scientific research made the Symbiote more grounded giving it a real world feel too it also adding depth to Pete's parents
I can tell, Owen is hyped for the new Ultimate Spider-Man comic series :D
This may not be today's 19 inches, but boy, did I reread issues 38 and 39 over and over again in my childhood's library, ever since my mind has not been the same (and don't even get me started on the game).
As always, great analysis Owen 😎
616 Venom is a far better character overall but I honestly find Ultimate Eddie’s downfall and reason to hate Peter far more compelling than 616. The symbiote being a man-made cure for cancer instead of an alien was an interesting direction as well.
my favorite version of spider-man & venom
Venom's story here fits perfectly in the wider arc of the pressures of capitalism & bad actors ruining the possibilities of well-intentioned men that defines Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man.
Since the entire Ultimate Spider-Man run has just been re-released as a hardcover over here in Germany, I'm currently reading the whole series. I absolutely get your fascination for this take on Peter Parker's whole story. Though some of the art doesn't click with me, the storytelling is amazing and unbelievably emotional, especial at the very end with Peter's death and funeral.
I also believe the symbiote being man made makes a lot more sense for its weakness to be fire and sound. It being a chaotic alien that destroys everything it touches but being weak to fire was really hard to take seriously sometimes 🤷🏽♂️
But there is not sound or fire in the void of space, both require air/oxygen to exist.
That just sounds like a lack of astronomy based knowledge on your part. People always hate what they don’t understand I guess. 😂😂
This is one of the only comics I’ve read from start to finish. I loved all of it and every different takes they took on the established characters
I grew up with the TAS origin and the amazing Spider-Man comic book original one. And the change on the ultimate comics is in perfect line with every change on the ultimate Spider-Man universe. The industrial more high tech capitalistic environment. But the arc is do small in Peter's life. Like i would for him to have the suit longer showing a deeper in time effect like the original run.
To this day, I still want to know what happened to Eddie after being taken by the Beetle in a later story. Then a new Venom was introduced to fight Miles. This is a great story and holds up as a reinvention!
The Ultimate Spider-Man game was my intro to the Ultimate Universe and even as a kid I was very intrigued by the reinvention of Eddie and the Black Suit
The ultimate version of carnage is just straight up heartbreaking for like 10 different reasons
There's smtg about the art duringt this arc especially the confrontation scenes that are just stuck in my mind. It's incredibly well made.
This is my favorite version of Venom.
Ultimate Spiderman game is still dope.
As soon as Owen's voice hits my ears, I know I'm in for a treat!
As a kid, the video game was my introduction to Venom back on Christmas Day of 2006, and he immediately became one of my favorite Spider-Man villains. After I had already seen the teaser trailer for the black suit in Spider-Man 3, I got a better idea of what it was from the intro of the game. And because of that, I began to connect everything and realized Venom would appear in the then upcoming Spider-Man movie. And the merchandise and toys got me hyped. I couldn't see Spider-Man 3 in theaters because I was scared Venom would "jump out of the screen like they do in the movies" and kill us all, without my mom present. So later, when the DVD came out, I just skipped all the way through, confused on when he would show up, fearing he wasn't in the movie. Until I watched it all the way through, feeling baffled on Bully Maguire, and, even as a 7 year old, was extremely upset at how and when Venom was portrayed, cast, and designed. Even 11 years later, seeing Venom 2018, I was still mad that Venom wasn't that body horror nightmare that he was portrayed in the Ultimate comics. Obviously, he wasn't like that in the original series, but like I mentioned before, the Ultimate version was my introduction to the character. Even now, I still wanna see a scary, badder-ass Venom with elements of horror.
Ultimate Venom is also my second favorite look for Venom, something about the people tint is cool to me
Purple.
I watched a motion comic video of this storyline few months back.
Eddie creeping on teen Gwen and the strain of bonding to the suit, is stuff for nightmares.
One of the best iterations of Spiderman and Venom
Bendis' initial take on Venom being overdone is ironically still relevant today. In light of all the absurd power creep of the Symbiotes in recent years ala Knull etc
I still think Venom's reinvention is one the Ultimate Universe success stories. Much like Ultimate Sinister/Apocalypse. It's taking what is known and giving it a fresh spin. Unlike say, Ultimate Deadpool...
Donny cates venom is top tier
The game handled the follow up story way better than the books. Way tighter. A few details in the books were neat, but i think the game had a lot more discipline and focus.
Ultimate venom looks so freaking cool I also find it awesome that the spectacular Spider-Man cartoon used the backstory of ultimate Spiderman comics for Eddie Brock.
I really liked ultimate venom story it was really awesome story and plus we got a great adaptation of this story for the video game ultimate Spider-Man which was really awesome game that told a great story for Ultimate venom and Eddie brock at least in my opinion.
Dare I say the longevity of this story line is more to do with the video game, which brought it to the attention of the masses, than the comic itself.
I would also argue that whilst Eddie himself didn’t reappear, the initial story continued to have a lasting impact on the comic. It directly led to Carnage and then the Clone Saga (you didn’t even mention that one), which were excellent story arcs, forcing Peter to contend with his father's legacy even without Venom.
I do think that Eddie being a creep with Gwen is by design. That’s supposed to be the point you realise that he isn’t someone Peter should have been trusting, they may have been childhood friends but they had both changed and Eddie was not a nice person anymore. You get hints of this with how his roommate avoids him, Eddie pretending it’s because the roommate is a jerk. It’s not until the end when Peter finally meets the roommate alone who states that it’s the other way around.
This was my go to Spider-Man comics back in the day. My uncle bought me the full trade paperbacks, from Origins to Death, and Miles Morales for my birthday. It was a glorious experience.
The funny thing is since Richard Parker put his DNA into it, he pretty much is Peters brother .
Harry Osborn from Amazing Spider Man 2 movie and the new Spider Man 2 game resemble Ultimate Brock/Venom much more than the 616 version.
Even tough the idea of Harry becoming Venom came from the Ultimate Spider Man tv show.
Si también hay venom no es un alienigena
Do you like hobgoblin ultimate ?
May be biased, but I like my version more. For anyone who knows "Evangelion", in my version, the symbiotes are corrupted LCL life forms born from the absence of humans who left Instrumentality, but were unable to cope with such absence.
Because the Spider serves as a reality totem, Venom's initial goal is to search for Asuka and Shinji (who were taken away from their home reality to witness a universe filled with actual heroes in an attempt at healing), and consume them. But as you can imagine by the other symbiotes, plans evolve a little.
I definitely feel like, Venom being this sort of man made abomination that consumes humans and twist the host made him more scary for me personally, especially coupled with imagery they added in when carnage gets into the mix
While I like both versions of Venom, this story and build up was more personal and connected between Peter and his parents and also a more personal reason for Eddie to hate Peter. The only thing I regret about Ultimate Venom is that we didn't get more of him honestly. I honestly wish Cates had used the Maker to bring back Ultimate Eddie and have him meet 616 Eddie.
I've always loved the Alien Symbiote storyline in the original earth 616 Spider-Man comics The ultimate spider man symbiote story line although being my favorite Is story arc in ultimate spider man This has unlimited potential Happy Birthday to my favorite Spider-Man Dan Gilvezan From Spider-Man and his amazing friends who is 73 today fantastic video as always thank you Owen
Man, Ultimate Venom is awesome, nice video Owen 💯.
This Venom is one of my favorites rly. The "tumor" tentacles that grow around him is a pretty cool idea. The only thing missing is the huge white spider on his chest, I rly felt the lack of it while reading USM.
This sounds like what The Amazing Spider-Man 3 would’ve been like
I think it's no coincidence that Amazing Spider-man 2 had Harry Osborn basically fulfill the same role as 1610 Eddie, from being a "past childhood friend" to "wanting/needing Spider-man's DNA". Unfortunately the way they handled both of those concepts was really messy and felt very tacked on.
I do vaguely remember, at some point, the director Marc Webb sharing an image on Twitter, some time after the first ASM movie, of what resembled the black suit inside of some kind of glass container, really reminiscent of the first showing of it in the comics.
@@allendrake6960 The mobile version of the Amazing Spider-man 2 game had a Venom side mission
For me, this is the definitive venom origin. The idea of the symbiote amplifying your healing to cure cancer, and that becoming amplifying all your negative qualities too, is a great change. And as you say, that fight in the rain is the image that most sticks out in USM.
Ultimate venom is my fav version!
"OUR FATHERS DIED TO CREATE ME-- AND NOW YOU WILL TOO"
I can see how this story influenced both the Spectacular cartoon and the TASM movies to a certain extent. This probably might have even been part of the plot for a third TASM chapter. Ultimate spider-man truly does feature many of the best versions of some of his iconic villains. Please also consider doing a video on the ultimate universe’s version of Mysterio! He was my favorite villain in that series!
It wasn’t going to be part of the plot for TASM 3 where Denis Leary revealed it would have been a resurrection plot and he was supposed to come back. Venom was always getting a separate solo movie like how Kraven wasn’t allowed to be in No Way Home.
I like how eddie and peter were friends which is why i absolutely love ther spiderman 2 version of venom (the recent game) as it also has a similar tie in.
It is unpopular opinion, but many elements of venom re-invention were reintroduced in tasm 2.
Just look at the similarities:
- Harry is a childhood friend, came out of nowhere (much like Eddie)
- his father worked so much in the past with Peter’s on some big cure that can solve cancer problem
- eventually Richard’s colleague goes down bad, so in order to protect the invention from bad hands RP bounds it on its own genetic material making bio-stuff applicable to only Parker bloodline
Did you hear about the new Ultimate Spider-Man run? It looks like he is going to get his powers when he is an adult and he already has 2 kids with MJ. I can kind of already see how "Great Power must also have Great Responsibility" will go down in this new book. He gets bit and gets powers. Decides not to do anything with them. He's in a convenience store robbery and doesn't act. Then, the same robber who robbed the convenience store does something that leaves one of his kids dead or nearly dead. And maybe it's tied back into Uncle Ben because Uncle Ben still dies the way he dies in 616, only Peter doesn't have powers so he doesn't feel guilty. But losing or nearly losing one of his kids reminds him of his Uncle Ben's quote "Those with Great Power must also have Great Responsibility."
Owen, this is a great video, and perfect for Halloween 🎃! While I'm not completely on board with, or tge treatment of, ULTIMATE VENOM, I do love the aspect of Brock and Peter having a brotherly Bond and it being tied with the symbiote. Alien or not, this was a very good concept and add a lot of layers to the relationship !( I also enjoyed it in The Spectacular Spiderman series!) Though, It still feels like Brian Michael Bendis doesn't really like Venom as it took a video game and a later story to at least remember Eddie.. that said, I still enjoy your coverage and how you present this video! Great job my friend and have a Long, Happy, Halloween! 🎃❤
Yeah, it always felt like Bendis hit fast-forward during this whole thing. I was subscribed during this run and was strapping in for a long, fun, nuanced retelling of this Saga, then suddenly as it starts its over.
Excellent video one of my favorite stories in all of ultimate spider man
Glad you enjoyed it!
Man, I am so hyped for Jonathan Hickman’s Ultimate Spider-Man relaunch.
Love the this spiderman art. I with move spiderman artists would use the big eyes
Ultimate Venom is my favorite
Thank you for mentioning David Michelinie as a creator also 👍
Of course!
This is probably the Venom people will prefer if they only know Venom from adaptions, since most adaptions like Bendis mostly get Venom wrong and comic Venom is far more (anti) heroic than what people expect. Sadly a lot of the problems I have with this Venom were fixed in that Ultimate Spider-Man video game but while some of it did get adapted into the Ultimate comics it quickly goes its own way instead. (By the way you got your stories criss crossed the game ends with a no longer cannibalistic classically designed Venom thats implied to become a antihero, the comic was the one with the red eyes and had a very different ending)
The description that Venom is a dark mirror that reflects what Peter would become if he lost his morals and responsibility does not actually describe the 2 most popular versions of the character, 616!Eddie and 616!Flash. In fact Eddie is VERY earnest about protecting innocent people (heck he is worthy of Mjnor and of being Captain Universe) and has been a good guy longer than he has been a villain. If you can find them I would recommend reading Mike Costa's run on Venom and then Donny Cate's as that would give a good summary of Eddie and Donny's run is the sequel to Mike's run. (Plus you'd get a bit of Flash as well)
Is the “Inheritance” cover at 1:28 an homage to or inspired by another classic image? I thought Tetsuo in AKIRA, but the closest I could come to a reference was the cover for Epic’s translation of issue 3, but that’s just a slightly similar basic pose. Any help would be appreciated, this is really bothering me for some reason.
They need to remake this game one of my favorite growing up when the game cube was a thing
*spoilers for the spider-man video game* I love how Spider-man 2 blended this story of venom with the Venom alien lore, with trying to use it as a means to cure disease but due to it alien origin they couldn't. it worked so well for the games and since they are making the video game spider-man more or less from the ultimate universe I think it works really well for it!
that a killer intro youve got there.
Thank you -- well-scripted as always, and I enjoy hearing your points of view!
Much appreciated!
Came here from remembering the old game on Xbox OG.
Venom 's first ever words: "Both our fathers died to create me! Now you will too!"
Fucking chills, That was the opening tutorial.
I like how spiderman 3 used the 616 story for venom with usm elements
That Gwen thing shook me as a kid
My hope for the new ultimate spider man that if Venom does appear they are a mix of science and magic, somewhere in between Ewings Venom and the Ultimate venom.
That sounds good, considering the new ultimate x-men is having an idea of mutants being tied to folklore and myths...(like, the stories or monsters and creatures are mutants)
Lot of people mistake Venom vein a full fledged villain. His 616 version was a villain light before he squashed his rival wry with spidey and took to becoming a lethal protector. But this version here is truly an evil Venom, prob the most evil one ever honestly. Caring for nothing but destruction and Peter, can’t be negotiated with, and it’s constantly shapeshifting looking like a monstrosity
I actually like this version one of my favorites of venom
Let's hope the new Ultimate Spider-man reboot does justice to to og. Just sad it won't be the same Peter
I was freaking out with spider man 2 with all the story stuff I was going mad.
I’m really excited to see what will happen with this new Ultimate run. It’s been said that it would follow Peter in his later years. Even though Peters death was perfect I always wanted to see Peter reach his prime marry Mary Jane and continue to be the greatest superhero.
It was perfect until they brought him back
I prefer Eddie Brock being a Childhood Friend of Peter Parker
Combine that part of his character with a rewrite of Knull's lore and venom is the best spider man charcter
I personally think this is the strongest single arc.
Why do I suddenly hear Eminem?
If only I could get that through the copyright overlords...
The Ultimates version of Venom was so aweful. I'm so glad the new Spider-man 2 video game didn't use the same crappy origin story!
I think Insomniac found a good way of incorporating both origin stories -- the symbiote is still alien but is used by scientists as a way to cure diseases. I thought it was a nice balance of both versions.
Totally agree and I like the way they made venom Harry instead of Eddie randomly getting it
This is my favorite one
He was the inciting incident for Ultimates 3, as well! Didn't do much except be the bridge for Spider-Man to join, but worth mentioning. It's not worth
would love to see ur take and analysis on Venom in Marvel’s Spiderman 2
This reminds me of Spider-Man the animated series in a way. Venom and the Symbiote are so interesting, but only after a small handful of stories, they are both just never seen again despite the series lasting long after them. What’s up with that?
My only problem with this adaptation is how short Peters time with the symbiote is, becuse those are my favorite spidey stories