When I was in high school I took 2 years of Gregg Shorthand... eons ago... I mastered it and could transcribe at 100 wpm with zero errors. Needless to say, I'm much much older now and never used shorthand during my career (electric typewriters and dictation machines were the new thing). I think I will take this up as a hobby again. I loved learning it the first time. Glad I found this channel.
In the Army, I learned to write 120 words per minute. The teacher said I could give my steno book to anyone in the class and they could type it with no problem. Back then I remember being proud as I wrote 😊. That was when I was 17. I’m now in my 60’s. It’s cool watching this video
I, too, am much older. How good it will be for the brain to relearn this! My only concern is that my brain will confuse it with the calligraphy I have learned. LOL
I remember back in the 90s my mom being on an important phone call and writing notes. When I looked at the notes I thought she was scribling nonsense. Then she read the "scribbles" to someone on another phone call. Needless to say that peaked my curiosity and she then explained a bit of shorthand to me.
Tried to learn Gregg shorthand when I was, like, 15 but there weren't any good resources online at the time. Now all these years later, UA-cam recommends me this. I think I'm gonna have to try learning it again! Thank you for making this!
My mother was a secretary and took dictation often while working at a local college. before i left for college she taught me Gregg Shorthand to easily take notes. It worked great however in the 25 years since i have used it rarely. and forgotten much of it. it is nice to see people are keeping it alive. So, it isn't lost. Thank You.
They should be teaching the kids shorthand instead of penmanship. It's more useful and it's a skill that could last you a lifetime if you keep using it.
My teachers talked about “taking short hand notes” but did not mean this. They meant taking notes that were not complete sentences and did not make sense to me later ever.
I'm currently reading Dracula by Bram Stroker, and reading it has made me want to learn shorthand. Really glad to see new videos beings uploaded on the topic.
Hey! Just wanted to say thanks for making these videos, ive wanted to learn shorthand ever since i was a kid because I saw my grandma using it. I couldn't ever find anyone to teach me and when I looked it up everything just overwhelmed my kid brain. The way you explained it in this video made it easy to understand and gives me hope that i can finally figure it out and learn it.
This is the first video or information on shorthand I've ever seen, ever since having heard it in an animated movie years ago. I'm so definitely getting into this
Best lessons as a refresher for me on here. So glad I found your channel. I was a legal secretary and want to brush up on my shorthand because I always enjoyed it. Thank you!
As a machine stenographer, I knew some of our theories of how to form words were similar; so I've always been curious how shorthand works. Thanks for the demo!
@@shorthandist I don't have exactly the same grip as you, but I also have a "unique" grip because I had to figure it out myself. The advantage is that I don't get writer's cramp! Don't edit out your hand.
@@shorthandist As i said i went over half two of those beginner course stretched out over 10 to 15 5 min videos both not only didnt make it easy to understand but any interest was sucked out of learning it. i was looking for teeline thinking if its completely different i just drop the idea course was 20 20 min vid. in the result your vid came up. i thought it would be just some intro or history of gregg or phonetic short hand still opened it in another tab. as i gave up on shorthand all together keep in mimd there are no apps for some reason that will teach u, well wen i closed her tab ur vid was there.. im sooooo glad i pressed play rather than closing it so thank you very much also for getting my interest /enthusiasm back in a 11 min video. hope people see this and dont assume its just an intro. id rename it to something on the lines with get stared with teeline in under 12 minutes so people will not ignore it based on bias of time compared the the other 'courses'
Great idea about the graph paper! I learned in the 80’s and still use a steno pad to practice every so often but life gets in the way before I can get proficient. After all these years, I still have my little Gregg Shorthand books. 🙌🏼 😊 Would love to be proficient again for note taking during meetings @ work.
Shorthand has always been on the back of my mind forever. I've started utilizing Bullet Journals, specifically an A6 sized notebook that should always be on me. I figured/hoped learning shorthand may help me put more information into a smaller space.
There are slight variations in this lesson from what I have been taught. For example, “creative” is ended with a short upward stroke for “t” and the long curve that represents “v” or “iv”. This is not a major difference for a person new to Gregg shorthand. But this makes more logical sense. I certainly hope you cover the shortcuts and brief forms, which truly help in speed and accuracy. I was encouraged to do shorthand on my lap or on my hand while watching tv shows, news, and conversations. The muscle memory you speak of truly will be reinforced. The pen and paper practice of repetition of many words helps to recognize or transcribe the shorthand characters, Good luck to all!😊
Yes, I believe later version of Gregg, (maybe Diamond Jubilee onward) tried to simplify things by doing away with the blending of strokes. In Simplified or anniversary, they blend the "t/v"into one stroke, and same with the "d/f" and "j/n"
I took it in 1993 in college and absolutely LOVED IT. I still have my textbook and the dictation tapes from the class. I need to get back into it. My favorite part of shorthand is the brief forms.
Excellent work perfect communication skills. A lot of times I will use Gregg shorthand as a memory aid when I'm learning vocabulary._____the symbol helps trigger my memory.
Lovley video, thanks for making! I've been interested in learning shorthand as a way of keeping a personal journal that couldn't be easily read by mistake. Love that its aesthetically beautiful too! Cheers :)
Many people think shorthand is difficult, but if you renew your mind you’ll see that it’s easier than printing and cursive because it’s shorter, simpler lines. Like s, f and v are short, longer, and longest, it’s just one line so it’s easier. Kids could learn it easily in 4th grade to take faster notes in classes all the way through college. And it’s easier for making notes to yourself. Some people say they can’t remember if the circle goes over or under the line, but it doesn’t matter as long as you remember what the word is. Write those words 100-200 times. And other people can read each other’s notes if they learn the same shorthand., it’s just about 70 curved lines, and a few circles and dots. And if someone is dictating too fast you can “stop” (unless it’s a teacher), and if it’s on a dictation machine rewind.
“Goes over or under the line.” is not an issue with Gregg. That’s a Pitman issue. Gregg is all about the individual sizes of the lines and how you make them easy.
@@Asif.Ahmad319 . I have learned the alphabets. They are simple. The real thing is about developing speed. I am still learning to improve speed . Now it is much faster than normal way of writing
@@Asif.Ahmad319 . It's been a few months since I started learning Gregg . In the initial two months i used to give it like more than 1 hr a day. Then I focused more on developing speed. At this point I wasn't spending long hours but still kept it consistent. The learning graph is kind of exponential if you don't break the progress. And one thing about shorthand is that it's based on the pronunciation of the word not the spelling ( which took me some time to get used to) . Happy learning 🤝
I used to be able to transcribe 120 words a minute without an error. I still sometimes take some notes in shorthand, but I've forgotten a lot, this was good to come back to this.
Thank you for the suggestion of the graph paper! I've been practicing from the simplified version and using steno pad, but I definitely have trouble with the sizing of all the strokes. And I love the music, very chill vibes. ^_^ Ty!
can you recommend any ways to effectively practice for transcribing words? I think your method is effective and its amazing how you shared it in a less overwhelming way.
A lot of the old transcription audios are pretty outdated and dry. But you could look for typing transcription audio and practice those. Or might be more fun to put on some music your'e familiar with and practice transcribing that!
I had to take dictation for a boss at work last week aswell asyesterday, nd realized just how useful knowing some form of shorthand would be. I'm a social worker and taking accurate, fast notes is a major part of my job but they don't teach shorthand anymore!
I learned shorthand decades ago, and the older I get with cranky, achy hands, the more I’ve been thinking about shorthand. I think I’m going to give it a go for note-taking, where no one needs to know what it says but me :o)
Thank you for this! Very well laid out and explained. Until your video, I never realized how similar O, R, and L are. Often the vowels and consonants are separated, but I like the way you organized things here. Blended strokes still make my brain hurt 😂 I’ll be checking out the rest of your videos-I kinda hope there’s one that goes into blended strokes a bit more!
If I wanted to do 'Y' I'd do 'ooo' and 'I' together. "We' would be an upside-down horse-shoe followed by a small circle. 'OO, ee'. Words starting with the 'W' sound get 2 'ooo's as one continuous symbol. As for 'TH', I've created my own symbol for that, a verticalish short line with a line coming out of it such that it looks like a tilted letter T and then the rest of the word follows out of that. Great video.
I’m a lefty, English letters are designed to be written R handed. Took me forever to realize this but it seem naturally easier to write precisely when your pulling towards your hand. I’ve adapted to this ofc but shorthand look even more right hand designed, everything is a L-R stroke. Any lefties use this? My thoughts were to reverse the strokes but that requires flipping the entire direction of writing. Since I can’t rely on people being able to read shorthand anyway and just learn it backwards? I wonder if my brain can handle this after a life of LR writing
an interesting problem to solve! My dad was left handed and learned shorthand, but like many lefties in a righty world, he learned to sort of write upside down. But if the shorthand is only for you and you don't need anyone else to read it, I say customize as you see fit. happy writing!
my grandpa gave me a revised edition of the gregg shorthand book from 1902 :) he asked if i liked codes, and i do! it's nice too, i've been trying to learn it but it's difficult-
I got SHAP, so I'm assuming it's shape. Is that right? I'm learning anniversary, so it's easier to tell the vowels apart since they have "diacritics of sorts". Allthough I'm only about a week in though, so I'm still pretty bad haha. Love the video!
Just a hint about those "diacritics" in Anniversary--they're only used when you need to distinguish a vowel to avoid confusion. In about 99% of the cases, those marks are omitted. It's nice to have them, for example, if your material contains words like "pan" and "pane" in the same copy, but usually context distinguishes the vowel and most stenographers aren't willing to sacrifice speed to add those marks.
the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is today! If you start learning now, maybe it will come in handy down the road! Happy writing
My mother was very intelligent she taught me alot she wasn't much of a phone person and I am really not much of a phone person either she and I spent alot of time talking about life and funny stuff was a fast typist and shorthand she had so many books 😊
I really highly recommend keeping your notes LEGIBLE more than anything. "I'll just save space on the page, or time when writing" - No no no no. LEGIBILITY is all that matters. Never used this, but, I ended up losing almost everything I loved most in life due to poor note-taking
Hi there, I aced Gregg steno when I was young but have forgotten it all now. I’ve decided to learn again. Can you please tell me what size graph paper you recommend (4/1? 5/1?). I’ve “subscribed” to your channel and am looking forward to learning more.
I think it's personal preference depending on whether you naturally write large or write small, but for me, I prefer the 5mm squared graph paper size. hope that helps!
I learned Teeline shorthand (and speedwriting before that - yes I'm old). I keep looking at these strokes and trying to transcribe them from Teeline, so I have no chance of learning this! The "b" reads as "pl" to me, the "l" reads as "w"... I've got no chance! I'd just end up mixing the two and coming off with an untranscribeable mess!
Hey! I was wondering if you could say what kind of Notepad you are using ? i would love to get one my self as well! also i really love your style and videos :D and i would love to learn this new skill ! Thanks
I’m curious, does your book not tell you to turn the O hook on its side before N, M, R, and/or L unless preceded by a downward character? So rolls would have that o on its side.
no it does, I think at the time I was just trying to really spell things out to make it understandable and forgot to explain that. maybe a good topic for another video!
If you're adhering to the proper outlines from the system and dictionary, then no. That being said, I noticed when I was reading something that was a british translation that they left off all the "r" endings, and it confused me at first until I realized the person had a british accent 😆
Ding, Ding, Ding!!! And bonus: You can do Gregg Shorthand in Spanish too. Spanish is known for being a language where it sounds the same as it's written.
Oh, that's so funny! I don't think so, though. I think it comes from the dashes being the width of a capital letter M and N, but a very interesting observation !
Hi, so im trying to learn shorthand to help me with school and cause it's cool. Im currently using the manuel and noticed dots and dashes for the vowels when using words. However, when I look at people writing, i dont see any of them use dots or dashes beside the letter, and im a bit confused. Im aiming for a quick way to write words down and does adding the dots and dashes to the words take more time to do?
Hi, yes that is a very early form of gregg shorthand, they also decided that was too much work and refined the system. I would recommend switching to a later version of gregg, maybe Gregg Simplified, which doesn't use the dashes and also cuts down on the number of shortforms you have to learn. You can find a Simplified manual for a few bucks on ebay.
I was reading All-Star Superman and Clark Kent was writing in shorthand. Since I love learning new things and like Clark Kent, I wanna be a journalist, I thought it could be fun to learn 😊 I’m in Grade 11 right now and maybe it’ll be useful for college or smth 🤷🏻 (I don’t like typing, I’m not great at it)
They're both perfectly usable systems, and take a similar amount of time to learn, so it's up to you! Personally, I prefer the appearance of Gregg. To me, pitman looks a bit ugly on the page, whereas Gregg looks nice.
@@shorthandist Even though I love Gregg due to its appearance on the notebook however to learn this system there are very few free resources to learn this on UA-cam and other platforms as far as I have researched on this as compared to Pitman. So If you have any good resources for learning the gregg that would be really helpful to me. ~ And Thank you for your reply Lots of Love from India 🌟
It went a little fast for me, so I'll have to watch it again afew times as I can type about 50wpm but I handwriting maybe 18 wpm😂 plus I have a short attention span, so this is why I'm solwly learning to take notes for school.
I think so. There are a variety of versions and textbooks. Personally I think starting out with Simplified and getting that text book is the way to go.
Mayor = m ay ee oh rr. Long horizontal, big circle, little circle, horseshoe, r. Mare and mar = m ah rr. Long horizontal, big circle, r. Marry = m ah r ee. Long horizontal, big circle, r, ee.
it's a poem by g.k. chesterton called The Skeleton. Chattering finch and water-fly Are not merrier than I; Here among the flowers I lie Laughing everlastingly. No: I may not tell the best; Surely, friends, I might have guessed Death was but the good King's jest, It was hid so carefully
A great way to mess with your kids, but then again cursive writing is being phased out in schools so there is a fallback plan. I know this because I didn't do so well in penmanship class, but I write in caps. Been doing that for decades and it gets me by without trying to decipher chicken scratch (read doctor writing). Of course one of the greatest ways to mess with the kids and thieves is to have a car with a standard gearbox, but they figured that out. Plus car makers are doing away with those. So much for real highway driving, and a pain in traffic.
I always write cursive when I leave notes for my teenage girls - their answer "I cant read this!" - LOL, then LEARN! So now I've decided to mess with them more so I'm relearning Shorthand 🤭
We should have been taught shorthand from the very beginning and while we're at it I wish we could have been taught to use the Japanese soroban too. Imagine how much those skills could have helped you!
I only write Gregg, so I'm biased. But, I think Gregg is much nicer to look at than pitman, and has a lot of easy to find materials for learning and reading practice.
@@shorthandist Sadly here in india there are no Gregg institutes, and hard to find material. Ultimately there's no one on UA-cam to teach it! Do you have any plans to educate us with chapters( to reach 100wpm) ? i
Everyone else has such good reasons for learning short hand but I just wanted to be able to read my eye floaters for a silly joke about a new form of divination
When I was in high school I took 2 years of Gregg Shorthand... eons ago... I mastered it and could transcribe at 100 wpm with zero errors. Needless to say, I'm much much older now and never used shorthand during my career (electric typewriters and dictation machines were the new thing). I think I will take this up as a hobby again. I loved learning it the first time. Glad I found this channel.
I think it's a great hobby! Enjoy getting back into it!
In the Army, I learned to write 120 words per minute. The teacher said I could give my steno book to anyone in the class and they could type it with no problem. Back then I remember being proud as I wrote 😊. That was when I was 17. I’m now in my 60’s. It’s cool watching this video
@@Scotcheroos_by_Gramma_Valtrying to learn n reach 100 wpm for my job 😂
I, too, am much older. How good it will be for the brain to relearn this!
My only concern is that my brain will confuse it with the calligraphy I have learned. LOL
You know stenographers makes between 70k to 150k guaranteed money. U should go
I remember back in the 90s my mom being on an important phone call and writing notes. When I looked at the notes I thought she was scribling nonsense. Then she read the "scribbles" to someone on another phone call. Needless to say that peaked my curiosity and she then explained a bit of shorthand to me.
My son called my notes "pygmy"
Tried to learn Gregg shorthand when I was, like, 15 but there weren't any good resources online at the time. Now all these years later, UA-cam recommends me this. I think I'm gonna have to try learning it again! Thank you for making this!
why did it take more than 30 years for me to find out about this stuff, im in complete shock! this seems really fun and useful!
Can confirm, both fun and useful!
It's a 'secret' language now.
Just what I had imagined it could be when I was a little kid in 1967.
My mother was a secretary and took dictation often while working at a local college. before i left for college she taught me Gregg Shorthand to easily take notes. It worked great however in the 25 years since i have used it rarely. and forgotten much of it. it is nice to see people are keeping it alive. So, it isn't lost. Thank You.
Yooo this is crazy they dont even tell students about this anymore.. we need to bring this back as a skill
They should be teaching the kids shorthand instead of penmanship.
It's more useful and it's a skill that could last you a lifetime if you keep using it.
I have dysgraphia, maybe it would've helped me
My teachers talked about “taking short hand notes” but did not mean this. They meant taking notes that were not complete sentences and did not make sense to me later ever.
Write what you actually HEAR.
Write the SOUND of what you speak.
You think teaching cursive is hard?! Make them learn this. Lol
I may never need or use shorthand, but they was the most relaxing lesson in anything I’ve ever seen/heard.
I'm currently reading Dracula by Bram Stroker, and reading it has made me want to learn shorthand. Really glad to see new videos beings uploaded on the topic.
I too was inspired by Dracula to look into shorthand!
Same!! I am currently being inspired by Dracula to research/learn shorthand!!
im also learning shorthand because of dracula :DD
Dracula train, woo hoo!
omg i want to learn shorthand because i’m listening to the podcast adaptation Re: Dracula :))
My Gramma writes in Shorthand and I've always heen fascinated by it, I can't wait to finally learn it 😁💕
Hey! Just wanted to say thanks for making these videos, ive wanted to learn shorthand ever since i was a kid because I saw my grandma using it. I couldn't ever find anyone to teach me and when I looked it up everything just overwhelmed my kid brain. The way you explained it in this video made it easy to understand and gives me hope that i can finally figure it out and learn it.
glad the videos have been helpful!
When the world needed him the most he disappeared... Please make more videos, nobody teaches shorthand as good as you do
😆 sorry, I could make more. I guess I wasn't sure what else I had to say on the subject that wasn't just repeating what I'd already said
As a high school student taking lecture based classes this will literally save my life. I’m so excited to learn ❤❤
Loved that someone started a channel on Gregg Shorthand. Editing is also good.
Thanks!
Gregg Shorthand deserves a place among
Unicode characters!
It's so beautiful!
I like your video to!
This is the first video or information on shorthand I've ever seen, ever since having heard it in an animated movie years ago.
I'm so definitely getting into this
Best lessons as a refresher for me on here. So glad I found your channel. I was a legal secretary and want to brush up on my shorthand because I always enjoyed it. Thank you!
Awesome!
Brilliant explanation and thank you for sparking my interest
I LOVE THIS
I wanna design my own shorthand-inspired alphabet and see how densely and beautifully I can transcribe some Tolkien
As a machine stenographer, I knew some of our theories of how to form words were similar; so I've always been curious how shorthand works. Thanks for the demo!
My Gramma writes in Shorthand and I've always heen fascinated by it, I can't wait to finally learn it
I can't wait to see more videos! I especially liked the explanation of proportions using graph paper. I can't unsee that cursed pen grip, though 😧
🤣sorry about the pen grip, I never learned right as a child and this is what I'm stuck with. I'll keep the videos coming, but maybe edit out my hand 🥲
@@shorthandist Haha, didn’t mean to make you self-conscious. The penmanship is fantastic, so maybe there’s something to it! Keep up the great work.
I have a death grip when I write.
I'm supposed to be left-handed.
@@shorthandist I don't have exactly the same grip as you, but I also have a "unique" grip because I had to figure it out myself. The advantage is that I don't get writer's cramp! Don't edit out your hand.
thank you helpd a lot better than the "courses which is split up in several videos this has helped the most even though it is only 11 minutes"
I'm so glad you found it useful! I was hoping to make something watchable and motivating rather than dry and sleep-inducing 😅
@@shorthandist As i said i went over half two of those beginner course stretched out over 10 to 15 5 min videos both not only didnt make it easy to understand but any interest was sucked out of learning it. i was looking for teeline thinking if its completely different i just drop the idea course was 20 20 min vid. in the result your vid came up. i thought it would be just some intro or history of gregg or phonetic short hand still opened it in another tab. as i gave up on shorthand all together keep in mimd there are no apps for some reason that will teach u, well wen i closed her tab ur vid was there.. im sooooo glad i pressed play rather than closing it so thank you very much also for getting my interest /enthusiasm back in a 11 min video. hope people see this and dont assume its just an intro. id rename it to something on the lines with get stared with teeline in under 12 minutes so people will not ignore it based on bias of time compared the the other 'courses'
Great idea about the graph paper! I learned in the 80’s and still use a steno pad to practice every so often but life gets in the way before I can get proficient. After all these years, I still have my little Gregg Shorthand books. 🙌🏼 😊
Would love to be proficient again for note taking during meetings @ work.
Get a dictionary you like and get going.
A little bit a day adds up after a while.
Thank you so much for taking the time to create these instructional videos - you are doing a great job and a great service !
Thanks!
Shorthand has always been on the back of my mind forever. I've started utilizing Bullet Journals, specifically an A6 sized notebook that should always be on me.
I figured/hoped learning shorthand may help me put more information into a smaller space.
good luck on your shorthand journey!
You can write it in your diary and no one would know what you wrote
@@Diddledo I think there are quite a few people still alive who can read Gregg though 😂
It's vanishingly remote.
But if the powers seek you they can start here...
Hey! How's the progress?
There are slight variations in this lesson from what I have been taught. For example, “creative” is ended with a short upward stroke for “t” and the long curve that represents “v” or “iv”. This is not a major difference for a person new to Gregg shorthand. But this makes more logical sense.
I certainly hope you cover the shortcuts and brief forms, which truly help in speed and accuracy.
I was encouraged to do shorthand on my lap or on my hand while watching tv shows, news, and conversations. The muscle memory you speak of truly will be reinforced. The pen and paper practice of repetition of many words helps to recognize or transcribe the shorthand characters,
Good luck to all!😊
Yes, I believe later version of Gregg, (maybe Diamond Jubilee onward) tried to simplify things by doing away with the blending of strokes. In Simplified or anniversary, they blend the "t/v"into one stroke, and same with the "d/f" and "j/n"
Please consider the Simplified Edition.
You can get PDF's of all of these books.
I took it in 1993 in college and absolutely LOVED IT. I still have my textbook and the dictation tapes from the class. I need to get back into it.
My favorite part of shorthand is the brief forms.
Then get the Simplified Edition which preceded the Diamond Jubilee Edition.
Wow that's complicated LOL, but fun can’t wait to learn!!!! Thank you for the explanation
It's not too bad once you get used to it!
Excellent work perfect communication skills. A lot of times I will use Gregg shorthand as a memory aid when I'm learning vocabulary._____the symbol helps trigger my memory.
Lovley video, thanks for making! I've been interested in learning shorthand as a way of keeping a personal journal that couldn't be easily read by mistake. Love that its aesthetically beautiful too! Cheers :)
Many people think shorthand is difficult, but if you renew your mind you’ll see that it’s easier than printing and cursive because it’s shorter, simpler lines. Like s, f and v are short, longer, and longest, it’s just one line so it’s easier. Kids could learn it easily in 4th grade to take faster notes in classes all the way through college. And it’s easier for making notes to yourself. Some people say they can’t remember if the circle goes over or under the line, but it doesn’t matter as long as you remember what the word is. Write those words 100-200 times. And other people can read each other’s notes if they learn the same shorthand., it’s just about 70 curved lines, and a few circles and dots. And if someone is dictating too fast you can “stop” (unless it’s a teacher), and if it’s on a dictation machine rewind.
“Goes over or under the line.” is not an issue with Gregg. That’s a Pitman issue.
Gregg is all about the individual sizes of the lines and how you make them easy.
Just started out to learn Gregg when I found your channel ❤️
I hope it's helpful!
@Vipin have u learnt it completely or not m talking about speed
@@Asif.Ahmad319 . I have learned the alphabets. They are simple. The real thing is about developing speed. I am still learning to improve speed . Now it is much faster than normal way of writing
@@vipin2130 how many months till now you have invested on learning shorthand n how many hours daily brother
@@Asif.Ahmad319 . It's been a few months since I started learning Gregg . In the initial two months i used to give it like more than 1 hr a day. Then I focused more on developing speed. At this point I wasn't spending long hours but still kept it consistent. The learning graph is kind of exponential if you don't break the progress.
And one thing about shorthand is that it's based on the pronunciation of the word not the spelling ( which took me some time to get used to) .
Happy learning 🤝
I used to be able to transcribe 120 words a minute without an error. I still sometimes take some notes in shorthand, but I've forgotten a lot, this was good to come back to this.
Yeah, I got up to 95 wpm at Truman City College in Uptown, Chicago back in 1977.
Thank you for the suggestion of the graph paper! I've been practicing from the simplified version and using steno pad, but I definitely have trouble with the sizing of all the strokes.
And I love the music, very chill vibes. ^_^ Ty!
can you recommend any ways to effectively practice for transcribing words? I think your method is effective and its amazing how you shared it in a less overwhelming way.
A lot of the old transcription audios are pretty outdated and dry. But you could look for typing transcription audio and practice those. Or might be more fun to put on some music your'e familiar with and practice transcribing that!
I knew a woman who wanted to brush up on her short hand so she would practice while listening to the tv.
UA-cam has LOTS of people talking and you can slow them down to .25 if you want.
Doing it EVERY DAY is all that matters if you really want it.
I had to take dictation for a boss at work last week aswell asyesterday, nd realized just how useful knowing some form of shorthand would be. I'm a social worker and taking accurate, fast notes is a major part of my job but they don't teach shorthand anymore!
I learned shorthand decades ago, and the older I get with cranky, achy hands, the more I’ve been thinking about shorthand. I think I’m going to give it a go for note-taking, where no one needs to know what it says but me :o)
it's great for that
Sobbing 😭 for real though, I love the tutorial, it was really fun to fallow!
I’m going to need more explanation on the confusing parts after the letters. Thanks
Thank you for this! Very well laid out and explained. Until your video, I never realized how similar O, R, and L are. Often the vowels and consonants are separated, but I like the way you organized things here. Blended strokes still make my brain hurt 😂 I’ll be checking out the rest of your videos-I kinda hope there’s one that goes into blended strokes a bit more!
That's a good idea! I'll put something together for blended strokes
When 'p' or 'b' flows into 'f' or 'v' then it can be a pain.
You have to define the end of the one and the beginning of the other.
With 'o' it's almost closed at the top.
With 'r' it's like an open bowl.
With 'l' it's like a drained pond, flatter and wider.
If I wanted to do 'Y' I'd do 'ooo' and 'I' together.
"We' would be an upside-down horse-shoe followed by a small circle. 'OO, ee'.
Words starting with the 'W' sound get 2 'ooo's as one continuous symbol.
As for 'TH', I've created my own symbol for that, a verticalish short line with a line coming out of it such that it looks like a tilted letter T and then the rest of the word follows out of that. Great video.
Gregg also seems very similar to the letterforms in Spencerian script, which was standard longhand cursive for many years.
I’m a lefty, English letters are designed to be written R handed. Took me forever to realize this but it seem naturally easier to write precisely when your pulling towards your hand. I’ve adapted to this ofc but shorthand look even more right hand designed, everything is a L-R stroke.
Any lefties use this? My thoughts were to reverse the strokes but that requires flipping the entire direction of writing.
Since I can’t rely on people being able to read shorthand anyway and just learn it backwards? I wonder if my brain can handle this after a life of LR writing
an interesting problem to solve! My dad was left handed and learned shorthand, but like many lefties in a righty world, he learned to sort of write upside down. But if the shorthand is only for you and you don't need anyone else to read it, I say customize as you see fit. happy writing!
love this-- trying to pick this up again.. great channel !!
Thanks! I Hope you get back into ti!
Thanks for the video.
An advise: try to change your pen grip for the health of your hand.
it's too late for me😂. glad you like the video
@@shorthandist mmm...
Are you over 70 years?
@@valobarroco I was thinking the same thing. That's not a fantastic fist for pen control or speed, and it looks terribly uncomfortable.
Great content, excellent presentation!
Thanks!
Thank you for this! Preparing for stenography class 👍🏽💯
my grandpa gave me a revised edition of the gregg shorthand book from 1902 :) he asked if i liked codes, and i do! it's nice too, i've been trying to learn it but it's difficult-
stick with it! You could also look up Gregg Simplified, which is similar but slightly simpler to learn.
I got SHAP, so I'm assuming it's shape. Is that right? I'm learning anniversary, so it's easier to tell the vowels apart since they have "diacritics of sorts". Allthough I'm only about a week in though, so I'm still pretty bad haha.
Love the video!
yes! Shape. Have fun on your shorthand journey!
Just a hint about those "diacritics" in Anniversary--they're only used when you need to distinguish a vowel to avoid confusion. In about 99% of the cases, those marks are omitted. It's nice to have them, for example, if your material contains words like "pan" and "pane" in the same copy, but usually context distinguishes the vowel and most stenographers aren't willing to sacrifice speed to add those marks.
Yes. Shap is correct.And sheep would have a smaller circle in between. Shop would have the horse-shoe shape...
And 'shoop' would have the horse-shoe facing down.
I could have used this college. I never even heard of it until a couple of years ago.
the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is today! If you start learning now, maybe it will come in handy down the road! Happy writing
@@shorthandist 💚💚
I TAKE SO LONG TO WRITE MY NOTES TYSM FOR THIS!!!
I can't afford the book yet so I'll be using your exercise in this vid as my reference :D
The PDF's are ALL there.
ngl man the way you hold a pen freaks me right out.
My mother was very intelligent she taught me alot she wasn't much of a phone person and I am really not much of a phone person either she and I spent alot of time talking about life and funny stuff was a fast typist and shorthand she had so many books 😊
Thanks for this video!
nice vid, we need to learn basic first before proceeding to another level, because if you master the characters everything is easy
I really highly recommend keeping your notes LEGIBLE more than anything. "I'll just save space on the page, or time when writing" - No no no no. LEGIBILITY is all that matters.
Never used this, but, I ended up losing almost everything I loved most in life due to poor note-taking
Thank you.
How does your hand not hurt writing like that
I'm blown away you can't even hold a pen properly and can't write legible print yet are successfully teaching the world shorthand.
Could you hold the pen like a normal person would?
Hi there, I aced Gregg steno when I was young but have forgotten it all now. I’ve decided to learn again. Can you please tell me what size graph paper you recommend (4/1? 5/1?). I’ve “subscribed” to your channel and am looking forward to learning more.
I think it's personal preference depending on whether you naturally write large or write small, but for me, I prefer the 5mm squared graph paper size. hope that helps!
@@shorthandist Thanks for letting me know 🙂
I remember the girls taking this in high school years ago. Any reason to still use it today (instead of text-to-speech apps on any smartphone)?
I did a video about modern uses! mostly, privacy and fun.
It feels really good doing it.
I'm working my way through the dictionary and I love seeing how a new word looks in shorthand.
You'll also have a 'secret' language that only you can read.
I learned Teeline shorthand (and speedwriting before that - yes I'm old). I keep looking at these strokes and trying to transcribe them from Teeline, so I have no chance of learning this! The "b" reads as "pl" to me, the "l" reads as "w"... I've got no chance! I'd just end up mixing the two and coming off with an untranscribeable mess!
Hey! I was wondering if you could say what kind of Notepad you are using ? i would love to get one my self as well! also i really love your style and videos :D and i would love to learn this new skill ! Thanks
There's a moleskine with gridded paper, and also a steno pad, which divides the paper in half vertically!
I don't recall which one I took in HS, Pittman or Gregg. Needless to say I need a refresher course for my own personal use.
Lovely art.
I’m curious, does your book not tell you to turn the O hook on its side before N, M, R, and/or L unless preceded by a downward character? So rolls would have that o on its side.
no it does, I think at the time I was just trying to really spell things out to make it understandable and forgot to explain that. maybe a good topic for another video!
Do people sometimes have an accent when writing in shorthand? Like would you be able to tell by reading?
If you're adhering to the proper outlines from the system and dictionary, then no. That being said, I noticed when I was reading something that was a british translation that they left off all the "r" endings, and it confused me at first until I realized the person had a british accent 😆
Please give me a full video towards learning shorthand
10:28 Is it "shape"?
I can’t believe I finally understand! You basically just… write what it sounds like…
pretty much!
Ding, Ding, Ding!!!
And bonus: You can do Gregg Shorthand in Spanish too.
Spanish is known for being a language where it sounds the same as it's written.
What kinds of stationary did you use here? Like what notebooks, pen, ink kind of thing
The spiral notebook is a stenopad, the squared is a moleskine, and the pen is a red pilot g2
@@shorthandist Thank you!
Would Gregg be the standard style taught in the majority of secretarial schools, back in the day?
Yes, gregg was very popular, especially in the US
Oh my god, is this where the terms en and em dash come from? The sizes of their shorthand dashes?
Oh, that's so funny! I don't think so, though. I think it comes from the dashes being the width of a capital letter M and N, but a very interesting observation !
Hi, so im trying to learn shorthand to help me with school and cause it's cool. Im currently using the manuel and noticed dots and dashes for the vowels when using words. However, when I look at people writing, i dont see any of them use dots or dashes beside the letter, and im a bit confused. Im aiming for a quick way to write words down and does adding the dots and dashes to the words take more time to do?
Hi, yes that is a very early form of gregg shorthand, they also decided that was too much work and refined the system. I would recommend switching to a later version of gregg, maybe Gregg Simplified, which doesn't use the dashes and also cuts down on the number of shortforms you have to learn. You can find a Simplified manual for a few bucks on ebay.
never in my life have i seen a pencil grip such as yours
It's distracting.
Totally agree…I really want to watch this in order to brush up on my shorthand, but that hand is very distracting. 😬
I never saw his hand, I was judgmental about the largeness of his strokes. Seemed too big but I like the idea of using the graph paper.
This would be so much better if you used lined paper. Please consider it for other videos.
I have 1 question, as a calligrapher, where did You learn to hold the pen?
Ive never seen someone hold a pen like that when writing, any particular benefit other than personal comfort?
none that I know of, i just learned wrong and that's what feels normal for me now
I was reading All-Star Superman and Clark Kent was writing in shorthand. Since I love learning new things and like Clark Kent, I wanna be a journalist, I thought it could be fun to learn 😊 I’m in Grade 11 right now and maybe it’ll be useful for college or smth 🤷🏻 (I don’t like typing, I’m not great at it)
wait, so some words are entirely written vertically? wouldn't that take up a lot of room?
It depends how big you write, but I think you probably get fewer words perpage than longhand, especially writing at speed
I'm having confusion between Pitman and Gregg.
Which one should I pick to learn?
They're both perfectly usable systems, and take a similar amount of time to learn, so it's up to you! Personally, I prefer the appearance of Gregg. To me, pitman looks a bit ugly on the page, whereas Gregg looks nice.
@@shorthandist
Even though I love Gregg due to its appearance on the notebook however to learn this system there are very few free resources to learn this on UA-cam and other platforms as far as I have researched on this as compared to Pitman.
So If you have any good resources for learning the gregg that would be really helpful to me.
~ And Thank you for your reply Lots of Love from India 🌟
Gregg. All you need is a regular pen.
With Pitman they have different thicknesses in their penstrokes.
Please recommend gerrg shorthand book
It went a little fast for me, so I'll have to watch it again afew times as I can type about 50wpm but I handwriting maybe 18 wpm😂 plus I have a short attention span, so this is why I'm solwly learning to take notes for school.
What did you use to place your camera at the top of your head? Waiting for your reply asap 😊
This phonetic system based on mouth shapes is VERY similar to Japanese hiragana and katakana. :)
That's true!
Gregg Shorthand is a dream come true for Spanish.
The vast majority of Spanish is pronounced exactly as written.
I approve of this.
My grandmother taught me a bit of shorthand when i was in middle school. No one borrowed my notes lol
Is the linked document the best/easiest book to learn from?
I think so. There are a variety of versions and textbooks. Personally I think starting out with Simplified and getting that text book is the way to go.
whats the second word at 7:14?
EDIT: figured out that its marry, but if it is marry what would the word have been before the 'e' ?
It could have been "mayor", "mare" or "mar" depending on the context of the sentence
Mayor = m ay ee oh rr. Long horizontal, big circle, little circle, horseshoe, r.
Mare and mar = m ah rr. Long horizontal, big circle, r.
Marry = m ah r ee. Long horizontal, big circle, r, ee.
How can I found the same sign of the alphabet....
I am confused ....
What is the what is the message at the end of the video?
it's a poem by g.k. chesterton called The Skeleton.
Chattering finch and water-fly
Are not merrier than I;
Here among the flowers I lie
Laughing everlastingly.
No: I may not tell the best;
Surely, friends, I might have guessed
Death was but the good King's jest,
It was hid so carefully
@@shorthandist lovely 😍
A great way to mess with your kids, but then again cursive writing is being phased out in schools so there is a fallback plan. I know this because I didn't do so well in penmanship class, but I write in caps. Been doing that for decades and it gets me by without trying to decipher chicken scratch (read doctor writing). Of course one of the greatest ways to mess with the kids and thieves is to have a car with a standard gearbox, but they figured that out. Plus car makers are doing away with those. So much for real highway driving, and a pain in traffic.
I always write cursive when I leave notes for my teenage girls - their answer "I cant read this!" - LOL, then LEARN! So now I've decided to mess with them more so I'm relearning Shorthand 🤭
We should have been taught shorthand from the very beginning and while we're at it I wish we could have been taught to use the Japanese soroban too. Imagine how much those skills could have helped you!
what do the strokes at 6:02 mean?
Main, mean, many
@@shorthandist How do I differentiate main from man, mean from men
@@dublUayaychtee the context of the sentence!
Mean and men are identical. Man has an 'a' sound.
Is it hard to learn if you're left handed?
I know a left-hander who learned, he just had to angle the paper so his hand wouldnt smear the words
Gregg or Pitman?
i just want your opinion ..which one to learn.?
I only write Gregg, so I'm biased. But, I think Gregg is much nicer to look at than pitman, and has a lot of easy to find materials for learning and reading practice.
@@shorthandist Sadly here in india there are no Gregg institutes, and hard to find material. Ultimately there's no one on UA-cam to teach it!
Do you have any plans to educate us with chapters( to reach 100wpm) ?
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Gregg. Pitman has different thicknesses of the lines and you'd need an old-time pen to do that. Gimme my Biro!
Poetically, behold the confirmation of the ethereal journey of funds from the bank to your Visa/Mastercard card.
lol the smiley face at 4:26 😜
i never noticed than 🤣
Everyone else has such good reasons for learning short hand but I just wanted to be able to read my eye floaters for a silly joke about a new form of divination
What with all the lines?
2nd March 2024. It's awesome.