@@Ismael-kc3ry this is actually hilarious lmao. a lot of j cole's bars feel very hard to listen to now, and a lot kendrick's have grown a lot more credibility. "i was gonna kill a couple rappers but they did it to themselves, everybody suicidal didn't even need my help"
@@zootin6688 First Person Shooter already didn't hit the same after Like That, but now Cole's shit in general hasn't been hitting. I genuinely hope it passes cuz I do like a lot of his music but listening to a track like Fire Squad is tough now. Cole's a nice ass dude but he can't ever talk shit again.
That’s okay. He probably felt pressured to respond but never wanted to. He looks bad for doing it but at least he being true to himself. Still a great artist/rapper/producer. He just don’t got it in him to beef with people that he like I guess.
I bet not hear one more “best rapper alive” bar from Cole ever again. He’s great, but the whole “I got the crown” then walking it back saying “it’s just rap” is annoying atp. Just be great without the GOAT talk
I completely agree he can definitely be great without addressing himself as a goat the same way people like Denzel or jid just let their skill in rap do the talking
@@mesmerizingsAnd that's the main point it's about backing up what you say as far as being the greatest and he very well could be but he took himself to bronze, had a chance to prove it and pop off and you apologize smh
It’s upsetting because Cole actually coming with heat this time. Objectively Cole is meh but it was going to make things entertaining. Now he just surrendered and it makes me confused. He talked all that for years then say this not for me.
"PUT YOUR FAVOURITE RAPPER'S NECK ON THE NOOSE, NEVER LETTIN'EM LOOSE" ... ... "but if your favourite rapper is Kendrick Lamar, nevermind it's all love fam" foh Cole 😂😂😂
Hard Bar off of King Kunta, from To Pimp A Butterfly. The album that apparently puts niggas to sleep and is only appreciated by White Berklee students, LMAO. There's levels to this, King Kendrick!!!
Yall saying that j cole apologizing was him being peaceful,humble,and mature when hes been braggadocious and tell other rappers to test him because he has smoke for everyone and hes the best and all that and no one is a threat hes the death of the rap game yall dont want it he said hes a god can't mess with him cant box with him and now he back tracks everything cmon now stop it he did not stood on anything
@@Jovaughnbey123he couldnt before and yall allowed him too, he put the big three to save his nothing burger discography. He can rap for sure, but so does doja cat, means nothing
Absolutely no more GOAT discussions after this. How can you be a protégé a Nas and not handle a simple sparring match. Nas would never. You want to be compared to the greats you must be battled tested SHOULD SOMEONE CHALLENGE YOUR CLAIM TO THE THRONE. Now all that “I’m the best” “Nobody can outrap me” bars hold no weight cause now that you had the chance to prove it. Not only did you drop a well response now you’re back peddling. Nope absolutely not. At least Drake responds to his enemies. Kendrick been wanting action but nobody has had the gusto to go the distance with him. I’m sticking by my guns. Kendrick is going to clean house and prove to both parties why he CLEARLY is the best MC between them both
Ive always felt he shouldn't have been in the top 3 discussion for a while… Even YEARS ago - Kanye and Lupe Fiaso were producing better music and albums than Cole and Drake. Nowadays Ye not so much - but still.
To be honest I respect him more for it because the dude is 40. He don’t have the fight in him anymore and he mentioned that years ago that he don’t. People just become docile the older they get and there’s nothing wrong with that.
@@firstlast9846you need to understand that the “big 3” was specifically for artists from the blog era that blew up and shined in the 2010s. Kanye and Lupe were out way before that, and at the time despite still being relevant, neither was making waves in the same way that Kendrick, Drake, or Cole were.
That I 100% agree with jcole my favorite but kendrick was smart with the bait and unfortunately cole bit it before the person that kendrick actually don't like aka drake. Man I respect jcole for being real just wish he wouldn't dissed in the first place it really wasn't his battle.hopefully this don't tarnish him I know the fall off gone bang but man this hits hard for some reason but still my favorite.
my problem is j cole rapping about wanting someone to test his pen the minute someone does he apologizes after dissing back . j cole sound soft it’s not even actually fighting it’s some lyrical stuff
Exactly, just competition. Not just that, but he had a good bit of time to make a different call. Like That drops, comes out of nowhere, catches him by surprise, I get it. Tough call to make, but he knew his festival was coming and that if he did fire back, it would be everywhere. People would be going in attendance expecting a Jay-Z Summer Jam moment. It's only after he snapped back and saw the backlash that mirrored his inner monologue that he apologized to save face.
This my thing, Cole’s apology I side with. My thing is, Cole cannot claim he’s the best rapper in his songs if he doesn’t want to prove that. That’s my thing. He inadvertently brought himself into it by saying that. We all know he’s one of the greats. U don’t have to mention it. That’s what really got this all into play
@@MylesKillis was just about to say this. You can prove it by getting on songs with others and having the better verse...which Cole has been doing constantly.
@@MylesKillishow is it corny? Competition has always been a main focal point in hip hop. And while it's not necessary, if an opportunity arises to further prove your worth, idk why you wouldn't take it. Cole fucked up. If he hadn't released a response, then he could prolly get away with not responding. In fact, if he never even mentioned his other peers and focused on being the best rather than the best alongside drake and Kendrick then it would be fine. He chose to cliq up with Drake, he chose to group himself into this "big 3" nonsense and he chose to respond to Kendrick
@michaelperez4641 People like you who constantly compare Cole to Kendrick, I feel sorry for. You keep comparing 2 artists with very different approaches and mindset just becuase they share similarities in content, you end up missing out on what makes each of them great in their own right. I bet everything you hear a J Cole record, your head goes,"But it isn't TPAB", and in the process lose your ability to appreciate what makes Cole so special to many people.
God I'm terrified of the idea of Cole being put in a place where he just get's meme'd and disrespected endlessly like Big Sean. I'm praying he can come back from this, he's not my favorite but man I don't want his legacy to get fucked by this.
Same. I am not gonna see him in another light just because he chose what was true to him. But with all the weirdos on the internet the fall off has to be the sh*t. Otherwise they are gonna eat him alive
The only way to come back from this is for the FALL OFF to be near perfect, like universal acclaimed classic, cause let's not forget Cole been gaslighting that album for years
I think the point Kendrick is proving is that all these dudes want to call themselves the best but don't want to prove it by testing themselves against each other like older generations of rappers used to. And to some extent yes, that can be very corny. Let's not act like beef hasn't led to very memorable moments that WEREN'T death. Rappers battling existed well before pac and Big died and happened after without death. I agree that them responding isn't exactly what he wants but he knows he can handle it if they did. All these dudes want to call themselves the best but settle for making the kind of hip hop you'd expect from them. I didn't expect TPAB when it came out and I never would have expected how deep into Kendrick's insecurities we'd get in MMATBS. I would not be able to explain it to the 17 yr old who heard section.80 for the first time. She'd think I was making it up. But she'd absolutely expect Cole and Drake to make the music they make.
Beautiful comment. Kendrick's musical evolution is INSANE. The thing of legends, fr. People can discuss Big Three all they want, but Kendrick has cemented himself as one of the best artists of all time since GKMC, fr. He just keeps on getting better.
I’d understand the apology if it was a really personal beef, but this shit to our knowledge was all for sport. Therefore, this is a sad day. I cannot look at the last 3-4 years of his career the same.
Ngl people been discrediting cole and drake career on the timeline since the like that verse dropped. Everybody saying it was always friendly but nahhh kendrick had people actually wanting to delete the big 3 from their memory.
He probably was thinking long term like how long would it go with them dissing each other before it got personal and someone crosses a line and it messes up their relationship and let’s be real this not the same Cole from 10 years ago
Bro really wrote, recorded and produced the whole song calling Kdot irrelevant and TPAB a snorefest and only after 2 days of being trashed on Twitter he realized that was a bad diss LOL lmao even
@@G5.Giotto he never was in the conversation tho? why you acting like he lost something you were willing to give him when you were never going to anyway?
as someone who has always been lowkey baffled how cole got into the "official" top 3, this really just solidifies my opinion. out of the 3 he's so outmatched in terms of popularity, cultural impact, technical ability, and creativity, and now i can add competitive spirit to the list. dude said tpab was mid and had a tummy ache for 2 days.
You did not just say drake out matches cole on “creativity and technical ability”. If you didn’t mean it like that then I don’t know why you wouldn’t include drake.
@@marmiteghost ah ok that make more sense I’d probably agree with you then. But I believe that the “big 3” thing come from a specific group which is why all of them are there.
You know I respect Cole for focusing on his mental health and being true to himself. But it’s kinda crazy that Kendrick made the first shot, he responded and then apologized. Can’t deny Kendrick influence. He dropped one surprise verse and this is the effect. I don’t want to hear shit about irrelevancy.
@@user-ds5lf3he3x As a Cole fan who is still sick over him going out sad, I will say that if the Kendrick, Drake shit goes too far...which it likely will...Cole will come out looking like a genius. Now he's never going to be able to claim being the best or goat again...but his decision will probably be applauded more.
Cole as a rapper disappointed me for apologizing but as a person I have the upmost respect for being aware and holding himself accountable. He really didn't have it in him to diss Kendrick and you can tell. He even showed respect in the diss at times. Its definitely going to alter where he stands in this big 3 or his place in music but at the end of the day He did it for him and his peace.
I feel the same way. It took more bravery to retract the diss and admit that he's not that kind of rapper than it ever did to put the diss out in the first place. I don't like Cole's music but I respect the hell out of him for this because you know he knew the backlash he'd get.
He should've just not made the diss. This apology will taint his career. He could've just made an interview saying he likes Kendrick. Beefing with him will be fake.
You’re right that Cole doesn’t have it but neither does Drake. Kendrick is objectively right. If you’re only looking at sales it might be a big 3 but if you include skill and artistic merit there’s just Kendrick.
Cole fans trying to take down Drake along with Cole lmaoooo 😂 Y’alls whole gimmick was putting Cole in conversation with Kendrick to put down Drake but now he got destroyed
@@joebidenjr5902 I am not a Cole fan lol I'm borderline a hater. I think he's mid and has never deserved to be considered with Kendrick just like Drake. I have 0 cole songs on any of my playlists. But go ahead and cope :)
@@joebidenjr5902 I think your definition of classic is lacking a bit. Drake's music is vapid and substanceless and he has been influential in rap's move towards vapidness and lack of substance.
Let’s be honest: Cole fans hyped him up and hyped the song up. Kendrick fans, we with the bullshit but we’ll be realistic. And to be real, Cole lost some point for having an okay diss and then flip flopping. Hopefully he grows from this.
FACTS BRO. Especially cuz for the most part, the overlap in their fanbases must be huge. I don't really understand how you could be a Kendrick fan but not a Cole fan or the other way around. They're both excellent artists.
I was with you until you said "Kendrick fans, we with the bullshit but we'll be realistic" really? A lot of Kendrick fans were acting like Cole had damn near no rapping ability when Like That first came out. Yea they don't represent the fanbase as a whole, but neither do the unrealistic Cole fans. Can't generalize a whole fanbase like that.
*I’m sorry but in the rap industry and real life* if you come at someone trying to hurt them (verbally) by using trans bars and insulting their work. You can not take the high road and say “That was the old me” Kendrick has every right to to flame him in a response. This was corny.
Shawn you have been right and objective the whole entire time and this is me on Team Kendrick. He just spat in the face of all who ever believed he had something to prove in his prime. Right message but AT THE FUCKING WRONG PLACE AND TIME.
@@shrimpscampin IMO, Tyler, Vince Staples, Denzel Curry, Mick Jenkins, Saba and JID got more classics than J. Cole. AND I LOVE J.Cole. But Flower Boy, Igor, Big Fish Theory, VINCE STAPLES, RPBMH, Imperial, TABOO, The Water[s], Pieces of a Man, The Circus, Elephant In The Room, Care For Me, Few Good Things, DiCaprio 2, The Forever Story... all classics. In my eyes, Cole's only CLASSIC is 4YEO. That album is a MASTERPIECE.
Im here after listening to Meet the Grahams and all i got to say is J Cole made the best decision he could of ever made. I take back all the L Coles i put out on the internet
J Cole apologize and realized he was conflicted misusing his influence, abusing his power full of resentment, a resentment that turned into a deep depression.
Honestly, I respect Cole for the apology man because it takes a lot to just back away like that and you already know what people are going to say, I just wish that he was consistent with his true self, and just didn’t respond or try to force it, I remember in an interview he tried to hit up Kendrick after control verse, dk if he did but it seemed back then atleast he was tendering to more of himself, but also for him to stop claiming he’s the best I don’t think he can say that after this if he does it just makes people not take him serious
The first thing I thought when I heard Dot's verse was that Cole wasn't gonna pay it any mind. So obviously I was surprised when I heard 7 Minute Drill. You could just tell that it was something he threw together as a result of pressure from what everyone was saying and I hate that it let it get to him. He's not the type (at least in this moment) to feel the need to "beef" with someone to validate his status in the game. Dude's humble and has only been looking to elevate his peers over the past several years, so I don't blame him for apologizing and wanting things to be kosher. I just wish he hadn't responded to begin with. But he's still one of the greatest to ever do it, and whether you side with him, Kendrick, or whoever, you can't deny that fact.
the thing is even in his apology he mentions himself being along side drake and Kendrick which is the whole issue Kdot has with J cole, I feel like kendrick is like yeah we cool but don't put me in the same category as you mfs but cole doesn't get it
J cole really fumbled on this one😭 idk what cole gon be talkin bout from now on cuz he can no longer talk like he that guy. All them j cole fanboys crying rn
My problems with this is. . If you keep claiming number 1, then expect someone to challenge you on it. . . He got challenged and didn't feel compelled to respond but responded through peer pressure This is where my problem lies. You're a grown man. I understand that doesn't mean you are above what public peer pressure can do, but once you make a conscious decision to do something, still with time to take it back before it becomes public consumption then act on it. . . There was no need to walk it back if there's nothing to walk back on. I am not discrediting him for apologizing, my opinion is why did you do something that you didn't need to do. . . Him apologizing makes it way worse for the simple fact that he didn't stand on releasing the diss record. One he didn't need to put out. . . Whatever is left of pure hip hop lovers, he has joined Drake in having an astrix to his career for this whole situation.
Cole can never say he’s the greatest (as well Drake if he doesn’t respond at all). To be a great rapper you can’t be afraid of anybody and can’t back down.
Tbf, when he made the diss everyone was shitting on him, he showed he wasn’t afraid and got trashed on for it. But the apology is def him backing down and it’s pathetic.
I didn't wanna smoke on that Cole Pack, but mans dissed TPAB and Mr. Morale. He brought this on himself. Now I'm like the New Jack City meme, but with a blunt in my mouth.
I’m glad for Cole that he’s come to terms with this. His peace is worth more than a silly rap beef. With that being said, I find it extremely corny and just odd that he apologized. Like all he had to say was “I’m done. I don’t want to do this, if kendrick responds I won’t respond back.” But he apologized and glazed the fuck out of Kendrick on stage “who here thinks Kendrick is one of the best alive” like bro WE KNOW. I’m happy for the guy but Idk what it is man, something about HOW he does stuff is so lame. Theres a difference between being humble and being timid/submissive/meek. It’s like he worships Kendrick and is afraid of Kendrick not liking him
A very wise man once said:
“I remember you was conflicted, misusing your influence “.
_"Sometimes I did the same, abusing my power full of resentment..."_
"Resentment that turned into depression,found myself screaming in the hotel room"
Sometimes I did the same, abusing my power full of resentment.
The evils of Luci was all around me, so I went running for answers.
How Kendrick called it 9 years ago 😂
J Cole looked at himself in his bathroom mirror the night he released it and whispered, “This isn’t you” to himself.
😂
😭😭😭
Nah niggas not rey start treating Cole like drake 😭😭😭
lmfao funny but unironically true probably 😂
Fr😭😂
Bro called TPAB sleepy music and lost sleep over it and changed his mind 😭
I bet you he re-listened to it lmao. King Kunta hit a little different this time lmao
Too spiritually aligned to even lie to himself
He was talking bout GKMC that’s even more wild
@@Mariah-zf2ij Nah he didn't count Section.80 as an album.
@@SM-ef7yp ohh ok
J Cole finna ride his bike back home with a smile on his face thinking “with great power came great responsibility☺️”
😭😭😭😭😭
finally I can rest easily😊
@@Ps2gChannelnoooooo😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂
0 minutes and 0 views?? fell off… like the simpsons
I laughed way too hard at this 😂
Lmaoooo
😂😂😂😂
I still watch Sampson’s 😊❤🤷♂️☮️
His first videos were classic the latest are tragic
Might have to delete now.
You been saying this everywhere. I took notice 😂
He will 😂
Done that
No way you’re here too🤣
Unfortunately
it feels like kendrick and drake are having a divorce and j cole is their kid
Some might even say… the middle child
@@salaha3920ba dum ts🥁
😂😂😂@@salaha3920
@@salaha3920😂😂😂
And neither of them wants custody
With this apology from Cole and Drake's ongoing silence, Kendrick's verse on 'Like that' feels more and more just like a victory lap.
It’s been like 2 weeks, relax 😂
@@jamiek9780it’s been 2 weeks and Kendrick already got J Cole to shoot “warning shots” while retreating
@@jamiek9780 i waited four days, where yall at
@@youngnat okay? It’s still only been two weeks. Kind of eager to be calling for victory laps.
@@jamiek9780if he got cole questioning his own decisions then wtf do you think drake is gonna do💀 it’s over fam they lost
And now we look at the competition as quick submission
They tappin' out before we even get a chance to miss 'em - Kendrick Lamar, Black Friday
Bro said it over Cole’s own beat
just listen he even predicted the date of apology , i mean really
@@Ismael-kc3ry this is actually hilarious lmao. a lot of j cole's bars feel very hard to listen to now, and a lot kendrick's have grown a lot more credibility. "i was gonna kill a couple rappers but they did it to themselves, everybody suicidal didn't even need my help"
@@zootin6688 First Person Shooter already didn't hit the same after Like That, but now Cole's shit in general hasn't been hitting. I genuinely hope it passes cuz I do like a lot of his music but listening to a track like Fire Squad is tough now. Cole's a nice ass dude but he can't ever talk shit again.
Don’t tell a lie on me and I won’t tell the truth bout you -the heat pt 4
Told mfs he ain't had it in him.
its funny how shawn been right about cole
@@xzotic6Shawn secretly knows cole
Y’all was right 😢
That’s okay. He probably felt pressured to respond but never wanted to. He looks bad for doing it but at least he being true to himself. Still a great artist/rapper/producer. He just don’t got it in him to beef with people that he like I guess.
He is not about that life
On this day Jermaine proved to the world that he for a fact does NOT have that dawg in him,
I’m praying for RDC, sending healing energy now 😔
I wanna see Mark breakdown. It'll be the funniest J Cole video they do. Poor RDC though.
Facts😂😂
Oh i cant wait to see what they cooking up 😂😂😭😭
@@FIREcrochethairstylesGenuinely looking forward to it 😂😂😂
Cole fans in tears rn.😂
7 Minute Apology
Basically 😂
💀
I bet not hear one more “best rapper alive” bar from Cole ever again. He’s great, but the whole “I got the crown” then walking it back saying “it’s just rap” is annoying atp. Just be great without the GOAT talk
I completely agree he can definitely be great without addressing himself as a goat the same way people like Denzel or jid just let their skill in rap do the talking
I just listened to might delete later after the apology. And I couldn’t take none of that best rapper alive shit serious
@@mesmerizingsAnd that's the main point it's about backing up what you say as far as being the greatest and he very well could be but he took himself to bronze, had a chance to prove it and pop off and you apologize smh
It’s upsetting because Cole actually coming with heat this time. Objectively Cole is meh but it was going to make things entertaining. Now he just surrendered and it makes me confused. He talked all that for years then say this not for me.
"PUT YOUR FAVOURITE RAPPER'S NECK ON THE NOOSE, NEVER LETTIN'EM LOOSE"
...
...
"but if your favourite rapper is Kendrick Lamar, nevermind it's all love fam"
foh Cole 😂😂😂
this made Cole look so much worse then he would have not responding
This is worst case scenario possible ong😭
@@xynl6243 on mee
Right 😂 he should’ve never said anything
He should have made a record saying how much respect he has for Kendrick and that would have been a million times better
To sum it up J Cole doesn't lack any technical or lyrical ability, he just lacks the mentality to do it
Exactly, his hearts not in it
He lacks in comparison to Kendrick 100%
@@gangg1762 based off his recent form i would argue that he could stand on his own against dot , but i guess we'll never know 😭
He also lacks a spine
jid gotta pick his mans up
JID is carrying Dreamville on his back.
@@ReallyShortOpinions real shit bro
@@ReallyShortOpinionsJID must feel embarrassed
Not even JID can save him, the man is the GOAT but he doesnt make miracles
@@imanigordon6803 If I were JID, I would be ripping my hair out of my head.
What’s the point in him saying he’s the best when he does shit like this?
I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Akademiks but he gotta be taken out of that “Big 3” discussion.
@@firstlast9846I don’t really agree with this due to Cole still being a great rapper/producer/artist
@@ozzyworldwide2796Nah all that goat talk has to cease immediately. And I fuck with Cole heavy but he can say that shit anymore
He was feeling himself
@@ozzyworldwide2796Cole can be great, but he cannot be the best. Not the 3rd best, not nothing.
Imo, Drake shouldn't even be in top 3.
“I was gonna kill a couple of rappers but they did it to themselves, everybody suicidal they don’t even need my help”
-Kendrick Lamar
Hard Bar off of King Kunta, from To Pimp A Butterfly. The album that apparently puts niggas to sleep and is only appreciated by White Berklee students, LMAO.
There's levels to this, King Kendrick!!!
Fun fact: that’s a Jay Z line flipped by kung fu. It’s originally from the song Thank You off the blueprint 3.
Yall saying that j cole apologizing was him being peaceful,humble,and mature when hes been braggadocious and tell other rappers to test him because he has smoke for everyone and hes the best and all that and no one is a threat hes the death of the rap game yall dont want it he said hes a god can't mess with him cant box with him and now he back tracks everything cmon now stop it he did not stood on anything
He can never make those type of bars anymore
@@Jovaughnbey123he couldnt before and yall allowed him too, he put the big three to save his nothing burger discography. He can rap for sure, but so does doja cat, means nothing
Learn how to use a period to end your sentence bro
@@LilVenetian you're an oxymoron where's yours? Or is it a different type of period for you
@@LilVenetian You're an oxymoron where's your period or are you on your period and just saying things just to say it
The art of peer pressure
😂
Me & the Homies
Mariah Carey responded to Em and stood 10 toes down but Cole can't?
I never wanna here this MFer say he's the best rapper, he'd smoke any MC,etc.
LMAOOOO
😂😂😂😂😂
Aye fucking yo I completely forgot about that 😭
He didn't apologize for to Pump either and they had a whole interview together
Mariah is a certified Hiphop head for sure. And her ✍ is official.
Cole really said "I have no enemies"
"Love thy enemies" headahh
More like I don’t want any enemies
Thorfinn took all the punches even though he could have won
Cole made a diss, people called it mid, and he backpedaled in 2 business days
@@microwavecoffeethorfinn wouldn’t have dissed in the first place! He knew his lane!
@@microwavecoffee Thorfinn fought whenever he claimed something, J.Cole claimed he was the best but backed down than fight for it
Ive never felt so betrayed by someone i dont know personally
As a ex-OG barb, welcome to the club of disappointment friend, have a drink 🥃
I have, once before, Chance the Rapper 😂
This shit still ain’t as bad as KD leaving that OKC team for a 73-9 team that he choked against smfh
@@OGseoulite😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 as a hottie, I'm so sorry
@@gelo888He took an opportunity to win. And did. Ya’ll would do the same.
Absolutely no more GOAT discussions after this. How can you be a protégé a Nas and not handle a simple sparring match. Nas would never. You want to be compared to the greats you must be battled tested SHOULD SOMEONE CHALLENGE YOUR CLAIM TO THE THRONE. Now all that “I’m the best” “Nobody can outrap me” bars hold no weight cause now that you had the chance to prove it. Not only did you drop a well response now you’re back peddling. Nope absolutely not. At least Drake responds to his enemies. Kendrick been wanting action but nobody has had the gusto to go the distance with him. I’m sticking by my guns. Kendrick is going to clean house and prove to both parties why he CLEARLY is the best MC between them both
Ive always felt he shouldn't have been in the top 3 discussion for a while… Even YEARS ago - Kanye and Lupe Fiaso were producing better music and albums than Cole and Drake. Nowadays Ye not so much - but still.
It also comes down to how mainstream the artist is. King Los been wanting smoke with Kdot and he would absolutely wash him given the chance
To be honest I respect him more for it because the dude is 40. He don’t have the fight in him anymore and he mentioned that years ago that he don’t. People just become docile the older they get and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Los is Special
@@firstlast9846you need to understand that the “big 3” was specifically for artists from the blog era that blew up and shined in the 2010s. Kanye and Lupe were out way before that, and at the time despite still being relevant, neither was making waves in the same way that Kendrick, Drake, or Cole were.
💀; all Cole had to do was not respond
That I 100% agree with jcole my favorite but kendrick was smart with the bait and unfortunately cole bit it before the person that kendrick actually don't like aka drake. Man I respect jcole for being real just wish he wouldn't dissed in the first place it really wasn't his battle.hopefully this don't tarnish him I know the fall off gone bang but man this hits hard for some reason but still my favorite.
@@quanmcinnis3022He got called out. Either respond or don’t. But he got put in the battle.
That's what I'm saying. Most of Kendrick shots were aimed at Drake
I love the semi colon after the emoji. A real english scholar right here 🫱🏽🫲🏾
my problem is j cole rapping about wanting someone to test his pen the minute someone does he apologizes after dissing back . j cole sound soft it’s not even actually fighting it’s some lyrical stuff
Exactly, just competition. Not just that, but he had a good bit of time to make a different call. Like That drops, comes out of nowhere, catches him by surprise, I get it. Tough call to make, but he knew his festival was coming and that if he did fire back, it would be everywhere. People would be going in attendance expecting a Jay-Z Summer Jam moment.
It's only after he snapped back and saw the backlash that mirrored his inner monologue that he apologized to save face.
This my thing, Cole’s apology I side with. My thing is, Cole cannot claim he’s the best rapper in his songs if he doesn’t want to prove that. That’s my thing. He inadvertently brought himself into it by saying that. We all know he’s one of the greats. U don’t have to mention it. That’s what really got this all into play
Here is the thing you don't have to diss other people to be the best rapper. THAT is CORNY. You can be the best without tearing others down.
@@MylesKillis was just about to say this. You can prove it by getting on songs with others and having the better verse...which Cole has been doing constantly.
@@MylesKillishow is it corny? Competition has always been a main focal point in hip hop. And while it's not necessary, if an opportunity arises to further prove your worth, idk why you wouldn't take it. Cole fucked up. If he hadn't released a response, then he could prolly get away with not responding. In fact, if he never even mentioned his other peers and focused on being the best rather than the best alongside drake and Kendrick then it would be fine. He chose to cliq up with Drake, he chose to group himself into this "big 3" nonsense and he chose to respond to Kendrick
One of the greats? Nah he's the Great Value version of Kendrick. B+ rapper.
@michaelperez4641 People like you who constantly compare Cole to Kendrick, I feel sorry for. You keep comparing 2 artists with very different approaches and mindset just becuase they share similarities in content, you end up missing out on what makes each of them great in their own right. I bet everything you hear a J Cole record, your head goes,"But it isn't TPAB", and in the process lose your ability to appreciate what makes Cole so special to many people.
God I'm terrified of the idea of Cole being put in a place where he just get's meme'd and disrespected endlessly like Big Sean. I'm praying he can come back from this, he's not my favorite but man I don't want his legacy to get fucked by this.
Same. I am not gonna see him in another light just because he chose what was true to him. But with all the weirdos on the internet the fall off has to be the sh*t. Otherwise they are gonna eat him alive
He makes solid music. That won't happen
Big Sean is respected why yall think nobody likes him, gen z jumps on and off twitter trends all the time
@@romaretaylor9953not Gen Z, everyone been clowning Big Sean, Big Sean does not have a good public perception, even with passing rap fans.
The only way to come back from this is for the FALL OFF to be near perfect, like universal acclaimed classic, cause let's not forget Cole been gaslighting that album for years
I think the point Kendrick is proving is that all these dudes want to call themselves the best but don't want to prove it by testing themselves against each other like older generations of rappers used to. And to some extent yes, that can be very corny. Let's not act like beef hasn't led to very memorable moments that WEREN'T death. Rappers battling existed well before pac and Big died and happened after without death. I agree that them responding isn't exactly what he wants but he knows he can handle it if they did.
All these dudes want to call themselves the best but settle for making the kind of hip hop you'd expect from them. I didn't expect TPAB when it came out and I never would have expected how deep into Kendrick's insecurities we'd get in MMATBS. I would not be able to explain it to the 17 yr old who heard section.80 for the first time. She'd think I was making it up. But she'd absolutely expect Cole and Drake to make the music they make.
Perfectly said
Beautiful comment. Kendrick's musical evolution is INSANE. The thing of legends, fr. People can discuss Big Three all they want, but Kendrick has cemented himself as one of the best artists of all time since GKMC, fr. He just keeps on getting better.
Perfect comment
I’d understand the apology if it was a really personal beef, but this shit to our knowledge was all for sport. Therefore, this is a sad day. I cannot look at the last 3-4 years of his career the same.
Facts
Ngl people been discrediting cole and drake career on the timeline since the like that verse dropped. Everybody saying it was always friendly but nahhh kendrick had people actually wanting to delete the big 3 from their memory.
Exactly it was like a sport battle between Kendrick and Cole. It’s only personal between Kendrick and Drake.
He probably was thinking long term like how long would it go with them dissing each other before it got personal and someone crosses a line and it messes up their relationship and let’s be real this not the same Cole from 10 years ago
Well shit, turns out it really was personal.
"I remember you was conflicted...."
"misusing your influence"
“and iiiiieeeeiiii will always love youuuuuuuu”
"sometimes I did the same..."
Abusing my power, full of resentment
The evils of Lucy was all around me 😂
I can' believe he let Nas down 😢
bro stoppp 😂 i haven’t thought about that song in a minute but damn i bet cole’s had it on repeat, thats too funny
We gotta change it to Everybody now lmfao
Again! 🙈
Bro really wrote, recorded and produced the whole song calling Kdot irrelevant and TPAB a snorefest and only after 2 days of being trashed on Twitter he realized that was a bad diss
LOL lmao even
you think cole cares about social media
@@njabulongcobo7005 I don't think he seats there 24/7, but i'm 100% sure he was at least told that people were not having it
@@njabulongcobo7005even if an artist isn’t, someone in their circle always will be.
@@AkimatuI doubt he apologized because everybody is on ass. Bro is really just a nice ass dude lmao
That diss was far from trash idc what anyone says
"I'll put your favorite rapper's neck in a noose, Never lettin him loose"
Is that so Cole?? 😂
Bro he's really been hyping himself up these past years in these verses😭😭😭only to do this
Now all his dope verses are gonna be impossible to take serious, fr.
Eminem did not r*p* his own mother and does not hate and beat women 🙅🙅🙅 he cannot claim he's a real rapper anymore 🗣️🗣️💯💯💯💯
Kendrick dissed them both on 'Like that' to prove they ain't really 'Like that'.
J Cole cannot represent the legend tier of hiphop after this,he’s just a great rapper,never the Goat
He never was in the 1st place let's be real
At what time of hip hop was J.Cole ever considered the Goat tho?
@@prod.youngsensai never?,now he can’t even be in the conversation,which was my comment
@@G5.Giotto he never was in the conversation tho? why you acting like he lost something you were willing to give him when you were never going to anyway?
as someone who has always been lowkey baffled how cole got into the "official" top 3, this really just solidifies my opinion. out of the 3 he's so outmatched in terms of popularity, cultural impact, technical ability, and creativity, and now i can add competitive spirit to the list.
dude said tpab was mid and had a tummy ache for 2 days.
You did not just say drake out matches cole on “creativity and technical ability”. If you didn’t mean it like that then I don’t know why you wouldn’t include drake.
@@kevincervantes427relax it’s his opinion music is subjective at the end of the day
@@normanosborn8346 yeah ik but he’s speaking about it like it’s an objective fact. Also no one is mad.
@@kevincervantes427 yea i definitely didn't mean it like that, the popularity aspect counts more so for drake, and arguably cultural impact i guess
@@marmiteghost ah ok that make more sense I’d probably agree with you then. But I believe that the “big 3” thing come from a specific group which is why all of them are there.
J Cole dissapointed everybody
even drake wouldn't go out like this
@@clkgtr12We just going to forget the pusha t ish talking about “drake would never go out like this.”
@@dominiquesmith7680 atleast he didn't apologise
@@clkgtr12 You’re right he hid behind J prince how is that any better?
Not me tbh, i expected even less somehow
“I was gonna kill a couple rappers but they did that to themselves”
"Everybody suicidal, didn't even need my help" ahaha fits right in
As a j Cole fan it’s hard times out hear…now I’m going to go listen to tpab 🚶🏿
Nothing should ever be hard enough for you to sit through TPAB.
nah go listen to cole's mixtape
This can’t be the guy that made False prophets 😂🤦🏾♂️
Cole is great but he's defined nothing. He's changed nothing.
That's true though 😂 he just exists as another miracle lyrical rapper.
Facts
Me after watching Vinland saga:
underrated comment. 10/10 series
Thors and Thorfinn were "Him" tho. Idk about J Cole LMAO. Good reference!
Thorfinn would of had Kendrick make 100 disses without responding because he has no enemies
You know game🤝🏾
J Cole said, " I'm allergic to beef. I can't rap without an EpiPen"
You know I respect Cole for focusing on his mental health and being true to himself. But it’s kinda crazy that Kendrick made the first shot, he responded and then apologized.
Can’t deny Kendrick influence. He dropped one surprise verse and this is the effect. I don’t want to hear shit about irrelevancy.
Kendrick hasn't said a peep and these two are just collapsing on themselves. Unreal
goes well with the "Might Delete this later" roll out lol
That was a beautiful breakdown of the big 3's music and the scale and how they are rated differently, put it perfectly. Respect.
beautiful is crazy
Cole took it all too personally. We just wanted to see a sparring match
Cole just thinking long term. We know drake is not cool with Kendrick, if things go nuclear, this diss will shatter that relationship.
@@user-ds5lf3he3x As a Cole fan who is still sick over him going out sad, I will say that if the Kendrick, Drake shit goes too far...which it likely will...Cole will come out looking like a genius. Now he's never going to be able to claim being the best or goat again...but his decision will probably be applauded more.
i cole be letting me down every time bruh
Let Nas down again
let jakeypoo down ;(
Cole as a rapper disappointed me for apologizing but as a person I have the upmost respect for being aware and holding himself accountable. He really didn't have it in him to diss Kendrick and you can tell. He even showed respect in the diss at times. Its definitely going to alter where he stands in this big 3 or his place in music but at the end of the day He did it for him and his peace.
I feel the same way. It took more bravery to retract the diss and admit that he's not that kind of rapper than it ever did to put the diss out in the first place. I don't like Cole's music but I respect the hell out of him for this because you know he knew the backlash he'd get.
He should've just not made the diss. This apology will taint his career. He could've just made an interview saying he likes Kendrick. Beefing with him will be fake.
@@space1734THIS!!!! Your way is the most W way of taking the L, if you know what I mean.
Writing a diss then backtracking is crazy
@@phistoltv5196be a sheep
J cole's gonna have to go re-record half the fall off to remove the goat references
You’re right that Cole doesn’t have it but neither does Drake. Kendrick is objectively right. If you’re only looking at sales it might be a big 3 but if you include skill and artistic merit there’s just Kendrick.
Imagine trying to take drake down with cole😂😂😂
Cole fans trying to take down Drake along with Cole lmaoooo 😂
Y’alls whole gimmick was putting Cole in conversation with Kendrick to put down Drake but now he got destroyed
Drake got arguably 3 classics and is one of the most influential artists of the last decade. He absolutely belongs there. Cole doesn’t
@@joebidenjr5902 I am not a Cole fan lol I'm borderline a hater. I think he's mid and has never deserved to be considered with Kendrick just like Drake. I have 0 cole songs on any of my playlists. But go ahead and cope :)
@@joebidenjr5902 I think your definition of classic is lacking a bit. Drake's music is vapid and substanceless and he has been influential in rap's move towards vapidness and lack of substance.
Let’s be honest: Cole fans hyped him up and hyped the song up.
Kendrick fans, we with the bullshit but we’ll be realistic. And to be real, Cole lost some point for having an okay diss and then flip flopping. Hopefully he grows from this.
FACTS BRO. Especially cuz for the most part, the overlap in their fanbases must be huge. I don't really understand how you could be a Kendrick fan but not a Cole fan or the other way around. They're both excellent artists.
I was with you until you said "Kendrick fans, we with the bullshit but we'll be realistic" really? A lot of Kendrick fans were acting like Cole had damn near no rapping ability when Like That first came out. Yea they don't represent the fanbase as a whole, but neither do the unrealistic Cole fans. Can't generalize a whole fanbase like that.
You got pimped by a butterfly 🧍🏽♂️
Stop it. Gross. Worse than the apology n diss combined 💀
Kenny hit em with the Talk No jitsu
*I’m sorry but in the rap industry and real life* if you come at someone trying to hurt them (verbally) by using trans bars and insulting their work. You can not take the high road and say “That was the old me” Kendrick has every right to to flame him in a response. This was corny.
Trans bars had nothing to do with kdot but the rest is pretty true
@@quanmcinnis3022real
still cole a bitch for saying allat
@quanmcinnis3022 - stop lying to yourself after Auntie Diaries you think this a coincidence? He even mentions “Kung Fu” right after.
Shawn you have been right and objective the whole entire time and this is me on Team Kendrick. He just spat in the face of all who ever believed he had something to prove in his prime. Right message but AT THE FUCKING WRONG PLACE AND TIME.
Like they said on the Vince Staples Show-Cuz ain't really like that."
J Cole has left the building
this is the best graph ive ever seen
Yeah, I feel better about putting Tyler over Cole in my personal ranking now
I got Tyler, Mac, Kendrick, Earl, Vince, Denzel and JID in a big 3 spot before I got Cole there
All in my top 10 dead or alive plus biggie and big pun
@@shrimpscampin hell yeah, Vince too
@@shrimpscampin IMO, Tyler, Vince Staples, Denzel Curry, Mick Jenkins, Saba and JID got more classics than J. Cole. AND I LOVE J.Cole. But Flower Boy, Igor, Big Fish Theory, VINCE STAPLES, RPBMH, Imperial, TABOO, The Water[s], Pieces of a Man, The Circus, Elephant In The Room, Care For Me, Few Good Things, DiCaprio 2, The Forever Story... all classics. In my eyes, Cole's only CLASSIC is 4YEO. That album is a MASTERPIECE.
“This guy don’t wanna battle, he shook…
Cuz ain’t no such thing as half way crooks!”
Very prophetic title, ill give him that
Im here after listening to Meet the Grahams and all i got to say is J Cole made the best decision he could of ever made.
I take back all the L Coles i put out on the internet
J Cole is really good at saying the same thing in a slightly different way
Tbh
Video came out so late I had already formulated my own nuanced opinion smh 🤦🏾
Cole was indeed not one of those ones
As a long time j.cole fan who has witnessed shawn slander cole time and time again, I’ve finally come to accept my fate😪
😅
He should have never responded if he was just gonna take it back later
J Cole apologize and realized he was conflicted misusing his influence, abusing his power full of resentment, a resentment that turned into a deep depression.
J Cole should change his name to J Fold after this
Bro really folded like clothes.
Honestly, I respect Cole for the apology man because it takes a lot to just back away like that and you already know what people are going to say, I just wish that he was consistent with his true self, and just didn’t respond or try to force it, I remember in an interview he tried to hit up Kendrick after control verse, dk if he did but it seemed back then atleast he was tendering to more of himself, but also for him to stop claiming he’s the best I don’t think he can say that after this if he does it just makes people not take him serious
thank you for having a sensible take on this
Conway the Machine had a line that hits hard:
“They said they wanted smoke then immediately digressed”
I never want to hear anyone say he's top 3 again.
The diss was alright just like Joseph Cole himself
It's crazy how Drake had a better response to the situation then J cole.
😂😂😂nah I'm dyin
Drake too scared to say anything. His response is weak af, shows how scared he is.
Cole rode his bike back to his home with big smile & thinking “and they lived happily ever after”
The first thing I thought when I heard Dot's verse was that Cole wasn't gonna pay it any mind. So obviously I was surprised when I heard 7 Minute Drill. You could just tell that it was something he threw together as a result of pressure from what everyone was saying and I hate that it let it get to him. He's not the type (at least in this moment) to feel the need to "beef" with someone to validate his status in the game. Dude's humble and has only been looking to elevate his peers over the past several years, so I don't blame him for apologizing and wanting things to be kosher. I just wish he hadn't responded to begin with. But he's still one of the greatest to ever do it, and whether you side with him, Kendrick, or whoever, you can't deny that fact.
He ain't big 3 no more😂😂
This crazy but I respect the thorfinn energy
Love that comment.
the thing is even in his apology he mentions himself being along side drake and Kendrick which is the whole issue Kdot has with J cole, I feel like kendrick is like yeah we cool but don't put me in the same category as you mfs but cole doesn't get it
One of the best takes i've heard on this topic
man how you explain things. it's great
J cole really fumbled on this one😭 idk what cole gon be talkin bout from now on cuz he can no longer talk like he that guy.
All them j cole fanboys crying rn
He can go The wale route and just rap about hoes
I just DONT understand it bro. Why tfffffff did he do this.
bruh made a graph 💀💀💀
Cole been asking for somebody test him for YEARS!!! He got it and folded
My problems with this is. .
If you keep claiming number 1, then expect someone to challenge you on it. . .
He got challenged and didn't feel compelled to respond but responded through peer pressure
This is where my problem lies. You're a grown man. I understand that doesn't mean you are above what public peer pressure can do, but once you make a conscious decision to do something, still with time to take it back before it becomes public consumption then act on it. . . There was no need to walk it back if there's nothing to walk back on.
I am not discrediting him for apologizing, my opinion is why did you do something that you didn't need to do. . . Him apologizing makes it way worse for the simple fact that he didn't stand on releasing the diss record. One he didn't need to put out. . .
Whatever is left of pure hip hop lovers, he has joined Drake in having an astrix to his career for this whole situation.
You know what this means?Drake is harder than J Cole, fucking Drake!
We might just have to start making j Cole the type of guy memes
J Cole the type of guy to say "stop this! This isnt you!" In the middle of a fight.
Can’t believe he takes drakes spot as type of guy
Cole can never say he’s the greatest (as well Drake if he doesn’t respond at all). To be a great rapper you can’t be afraid of anybody and can’t back down.
Tbf, when he made the diss everyone was shitting on him, he showed he wasn’t afraid and got trashed on for it. But the apology is def him backing down and it’s pathetic.
😂oh i was waiting on this. I was waiting on this.
Been waiting to hear from you . We smoking on top five tonight.
I didn't wanna smoke on that Cole Pack, but mans dissed TPAB and Mr. Morale. He brought this on himself. Now I'm like the New Jack City meme, but with a blunt in my mouth.
This is just messy. Takes balls to do that tho, but damn Cole
Agreed.
dis confirms kendrick is better then cole in every aspect of rap
You're dropping alot of valid points
I’m glad for Cole that he’s come to terms with this. His peace is worth more than a silly rap beef. With that being said, I find it extremely corny and just odd that he apologized. Like all he had to say was “I’m done. I don’t want to do this, if kendrick responds I won’t respond back.” But he apologized and glazed the fuck out of Kendrick on stage “who here thinks Kendrick is one of the best alive” like bro WE KNOW. I’m happy for the guy but Idk what it is man, something about HOW he does stuff is so lame. Theres a difference between being humble and being timid/submissive/meek. It’s like he worships Kendrick and is afraid of Kendrick not liking him
The Art of Peer Pressure
That was a brilliant dissection and analysis from your point of view. 👊
Everyone who was giving Shane a hard time about j cole need to stfu