People say Kendrick lost relevance yet people had the nerve to get mad at him for not making a statement during the blm protests even tho HE WAS PROTESTING. I don’t take anyone whose got dumb opinions seriously
@@joebidenjr5902more than them other 2 in t”the big three “ did .. Hell to pump a butterfly ALONE as a concious black mainstream album is more than those two did .
@@giombi15i dont think hes just gonna spell it out unless we get a full diss track. most of this stuff happened behind closed doors, but i think drake and kendrick have pretty big egos and are compared a lot. that alone will create tension especially when kendrick doesnt feel drake is near his level and honestly hes right, they make different music
@@giombi15I’m going to make a guess but Drake comes off as a very egoistical person. And feels like Drake isn’t really authentic and soft. After the Control verse he went on a podcast to express how he felt instead of talking to Kendrick personally. But that control verse wasn’t even disrespectful at all it was really a compliment.
To be the best you need to release tho If we just saying that Kendrick is the best because of his lyricism only then lil wayne still sliding nowadays just doing songs with not so big ppl. But leaving five years but come back and you supposed to still be top 3 does numbers at all play a part or/and consistency
@@FAMbeats508 nobody say carti the goat too And how he always see the vision by dissin ppl that dont care about him like that. If you the top #1 then can you at least release like or a lil bit like drake and cole cuz its like Kendrick leaves for 4 years comes back and smacks drake and cole when they at the top and then just run away for another 4 years. An artist needs to be consistent to be the best point blank period. J cole just dropped an amazing album and been droppin some good shit for 4 years. And mr morale was an alright album so again wheres the vision 4 years for some ight shit but cole put out 4 solo and 2 dreamville projects plus they did all of creed 3 songs. So yeah what vision? The best but cant keep up with the worst?? Cole giving bars bars and consistency in dropping and is taking the challenge the Kendrick dick sucking gone stop today
I don't think he lost relevancy.. He dropped 3 monster projects plus a raw album and then a soundtrack album from 2012-2017 that's 5 years of constantly getting it in..I mean cole went 4 years in between His last two albums
If he really lost relevancy, he wouldn't have set the internet on the fire by just a tweet. Kendrick been relevant, even when he wasn't dropping anything. Mfs was literally getting mad at him for being radio silent during the protests, even though it rly had nothing to do with him. If that doesn't show relevance, I don't know what does lol
Idk where tf yall lookin at shit but I have seen literally nobody say he lost relevance, except the people who talk about the people who supposedly say that stupid shit
Also 32:44 - as much as people hate it, KOD is another conceptual album that I thought had those themes. Personally, I liked both KOD and 4YEO, and I think the feature run from 2018 to 2023 made Cole "interesting", fixing the image he had before 2014. A lot of the criticism is hate carried over from before 2014. He hurt himself bad with the Work Out song.
21:42 he said “why are you including it?” Dawg it’s a full coverage of their friendship and possible beef. He’s being thorough when giving us info and how people were thinking.
33:12 "Ain't nobody, but the mirror, lookin for the fall off" is akin to Lupe Fiasco on 'Much More' when he says "My greatest enemy is my inner me." Basically saying that something he's facing within wants to see him fail. Nothing to do with Cole..
@@vimoonhead3735 agreed, for it to be considered his most introspective album and call that a sub is jux dishonest aaf. One of the many reaches on this "analysis"
I mean I understood to be that J Cole is looking in the mirror at himself, so maybe Kendrick is saying that the mirror is J Cole and he’s the only one looking for the fall off? Could’ve better been said as “but the man in the mirror” but maybe it didn’t fit well in the bar idk
@@BDFHumorless why would he(K.) be mentioning him(Cole), or anyone for that matter, in his own introspective, most vulnerable album? The last album he would do for TDE..? Please, stop. Also, K. isn't afraid to name drop, check 'Savior', same album, same disc, 4 songs later. And that wasn't a diss either.
A great artist can drop every 2-3 years, that’s what happens when you drop substance. Drake has no option but to drop, he’s apart of the machine at this point
@@damxn7303For all the dogs was 200k units sold first week bad album or not drake will always sale, if he takes 2-3 years off & then drops an album he’s selling 500k first week minimum & before you say im glazing i like Kendrick & cole more than drake.
Control gets so overblown imo. I always viewed that verse as more of a nod to his peers than a diss. He’s just saying these artists are dope but as an emcees he’s still competitive. Hence why only people who weren’t mentioned felt some type of way about it. They got left out.
Cole’s motivation comes from the disrespect he got after dropping 4 your eyes only. The community started calling him sleepy rapper and he was the only one of the current goats that got disrespected by the soundcloud rappers at that time.
I'm a casual watcher of Shawn Cee & didn't even know this account existed, so I had no idea he was still posting videos & thought he just stopped for a really long time 😂 Gotta a lot of catching up to do...
Here is the problem with the "stepper" comparisons in J. Coles songs. He's been using the term "stepper" since the off season according to this video, which was before "mr. morale & the big stepper". meaning "stepper" is a word Cole had had in his rap vocabulary for a long while. Not everyone using "stepper" is a reference to Kendrick Lamar. That like me saying "when Hobie in across the spider-verse said 'my lad pav; big stepper!' He was saying the spider-man of Mumbattan is the the Kendrick Lamar of spider-men" which is stupid in retrospect. Also the recipe could have easily been a shot at No name since she did call him out for the whole BLM situation when it was going on. People THOUGHT he was talking about YB when YB low key dissed cole on his song, but cole literally mentions in an entire stanza in FPS "Niggas so thirsty to put me in beef Dissectin' my words and start lookin' too deep I look at the tweets and start suckin' my teeth I'm lettin' it rock 'cause I love the mystique I still wanna get me a song with YB Can't trust everything that you saw on IG Just know if I diss you, I'd make sure you know that I hit you like I'm on your caller ID" Cole HAS done this. Done this to Pump, done this to Kanye and Wale, done this to Diggy Simmons. Does it make him above subliminals. . . Not exactly, but some of these reaches go from reasonable to mad questionable circumstances.
Shawn’s Cole takes are so horrible you can not tell me Drake’s discography is better than Cole’s, Drake doesn’t rap better than Cole, Drake isn’t consistent compared to Cole. What you be chatting about bro Jesus Christ 😂
Cole would rap circles around Drake and Kendrick. Dem niggas gon have to get in the booth and show me something to prove otherwise. At this point Drake is a kardashian, is famous for being famous. And Kendrick is only good when he's making a scene. When he just rappin it ain't nothing special. Every time I come back to this channel, Shawn say some stupid s***that make me leave again.
J cole has so many old songs from mixtapes where he went super vulnerable man. 3 wishes, shit even a little later on tracks like Problems..I swear people forget
The fact that this dude referenced Cole calling himself the king on Fire Squad but then failed to mention that on that same song, in fact in the lines following one of the ones he referenced, Cole criticises that idea of there being a "King" of hip hop, and calls those craving power "a coward" says a lot. We are all just gonna ignore the fact that between 2014 FHD and KOD, Cole actively stopped trying to "be the best" and receded from the limelight on purpose, something he talked about publicly?
No He managed to get His Masters Back and royalties. People cant wxploit him Profizelt from him so the maschin doesnt Hype him. A Lot of Rappers dont own there royalties and Masters. Thats Like Lifelong moneyflow without working
He came to the conclusion that craving power is a cowardly trait, but proceeded to start with the “I’m the best talk” again and collaborated with the most power hungry coward in rap (drake)
Saying J Cole just regular is a miss. His storytelling and introspective nature of his lyrics is what’s amazing. I don’t listen to him for bars it’s for the high concept thought process and story telling. He’s actually saying things. I prefer Cole to Drake and Kendrick for that reason.
Cole main issue coming from a fan of Cole is that he doesn't make great music. He can rap his ass off but he don't make great music, unlike Drake who we know can rap but chooses not too and makes better music but bars kinda dont stick. Kendrick on the other hand makes really good music and be rapping his ass off however i do think he stayed in the conscious lane very long without just having his fun records.
im just saying from public opinion. Pop music (Drake) is generally digested longer and better than conscious rapbut also Kendrick hasnt made something nonconscious in a minute. He need to have fun and talk his shit again@@Never283
ya I disagree with Shawn on that 1. just the fact that many of those called out tried to ignore it says enough. They heard it and didnt want that smoke lol. and those not included were mad they didnt get acknowledged. everyone was talking about it then and it still gets brought up now.
I'm not really on the "Kendricks not needed" side but i'm def satisfied w/ what he has given us musically. Rappers do not get that level of personal, and while i'd love another album of slaps IF he dropped it, i'm more than happy to go back to what he's msde as it is.
“Ain’t nobody but the mirror looking for the fall off” could be a diss saying only J. Cole is hyped for the fall off, as if he’s looking at his own reflection
Igh so how are you gonna bash Cole for being a “regular ahh ninja with regular bars” and then praise Drake for putting out regular ahh music “nothing special just shit to chill to”? Also name me the hardest kendrick bar since you want to literally go bar for bar with them, because j cole has many more punchlines than kendrick.
32:59 The "Count Me Out" line... "Ain't nobody but the mirror lookin' for the fall off" ...is Kendrick displaying that through people may 'count him out'(or wish for his downfall), the only ones really looking for your failures is the person looking back at you in the mirror(something he mentions a lot over the years of his self-reflective music). God I dislike when 'bar analysts' pick single bars out of songs, give them no context, then provide a meaning for it... but of course people gonna be people
You definitely don’t listen to Cole’s music dawg lol. J. Cole’s music isn’t regular.. it’s relatable. That’s the whole point and why J. Cole is great.. listen to more music
Y’all just want music. Drake be dropping stuff to stay relevant and because he’s been in the buiseness longer but that greed has made that man weird. Kendrick minding his buiseness not everything is beef bro.
That mirror/fall off line was about the fact that people plotting your down fall can sometimes just be in your head because you don't feel worthy or you count yourself out. Hence the song title
@@dominiquesmith7680 Exactly and that's only because you'd have to really be from the Bay or the West to know that about E-40. Kendrick being from the latter.
We talking bout this verse 10 years later but people keep saying it didn’t change anything… People really hate out loud. Y’all gotta just pay attention
Yeah this whole "Control had no effect on the game" is BS and everyone knows that. It very clearly had an effect since K. Dot and Drake still don't like each other to this day because of it.
@@Two-ToneMoonStone and the fact that it is considered a cultural moment… and that it’s even on people’s mind a whole decade later. Not to mention, they keep saying it had no impact yet rappers not responding showed just how scared they are of Kendrick. To say it has no impact is just hating fr
I’m sorry bruh saying Control didn’t do anything is redundant. If the ENTIRE INDUSTRY was talking about it then and STILL IS, it did something. People just barely responded to it because at this point the competitive nature of hip hop had essentially died at this point. Drake and Cole were really the only people Kendrick would acknowledge. Meek Mill’s response could barely be considered a diss and then everybody else that responded wasn’t even mentioned 😭
I never understand why ppl mention replay value so much against kendrick, but don’t mention drakes absolute lack of depth that he substitutes for constant radio leaning records
exactly, ain’t nobody relistening to for all the dogs or clb. kendrick makes timeless albums that have literally been analyzed for their artistic mastery. and that’s not even glazing that’s true fact.
One of my favorite videos on the internet is fantano saying why a Kendrick J Cole album wouldn’t be good and it’s just basically him shitting on J Cole for 10 minutes, it’s so funny it basically feels like a shitpost
Big time reaching. He had me in the first half, but then after that he was reaching like a MF. Dissecting every single line that Kendrick or J Cole says as a diss towards each other is ridiculous. “Niggas so thirsty to put me in beef Dissectin' my words and start lookin' too deep”
Trying to connect the fall off bar from Kendrick to Cole is such a terrible take. The line itself clearly explains its meaning, included the context of the song and its even more obvious.
@@Dkirk215 kendrick could definitely do no features but i wasnt even saying its bad. its coles best album. its just not overrated. do you know what that means?
I disagree, all of the questions asked as far as the best rapper, the answer is J. Cole. J. Cole is the best rapper alive, best story teller and all that!
Saying Cole doesn’t have any powerful moments in his albums is definitely some hater shit. Drake is a legend, but his albums been mid to ass since 2018.
Kendrick literally dropped GKMC, TPAB & DAMN B2B2B. I dont get how anyone can compare that/him to Drake & J Cole as good as they're in their own rite, Pure rapping ability & album making they're not seeing Dot.
@@TheYoungReezy87 there’s no such thing as biracial, the seed comes from the father, cole isn’t scared of a dude runnin around chancing man aunts, just make sure to @ me when the dust settles
@@changedcj007 ya all say the same thing and try to revise history and leave out details, one he did not “wash” anything two its crazy how ya try and control the narrative as if thats the only record they been on together. Cole washed kendrick so bad on american dream he didn’t even rap. And jeezy a damn lie they knew they was both on that song, cole has bodied kendrick multiple times to the point that dot wouldn’t lay a verse, american dream, forbidden fruit, under the sun. Stop it.
That Benny the butcher featured is what did it for me, I was always a huge j cole and k dot fan but after that feature cole really started focusing on his pin and his legacy and he’s gotten better and better. Before that he was more focused on getting more money.
@@Kal-El207 he literally raps about focusing on making as much money as possible and that being his priority. Don’t start being weird. Understand it doesn’t matter how you feel or what your interpretation is, bro stated that was his mission in middle child and ATM makes it’s that simple.
I ALREADY KNOW J-Cole is meditating 🧘♂ on a mountain somewhere - feeling his beard hairs grow.. while Drake is looking at himself in a mirror saying “Write some shit and respond - or I’ll blow your brains out tonight”
The Kendrick bias is so weird… The only stanship comparable is Em and Ye’s. Shawn Cee loses credibility every time he discusses the topic. The only rapper/producer of the 3. The only to go platinum no features… Twice. Could’ve signed Dot and told Dre about him plus protected him from Diddy. Don’t underestimate the greats. I hope they all reply.
@@ShawnCeeLIVEhe’s better than kendrick and you be glazing fam it is what it is. That like that verse was mid, that mr man aunt album was mid, kendrick been mid since GKMC. But ya treat him like the Messiah.
@@ShawnCeeLIVE”he’s not going to say anyone’s name” he literally said you might be drizzy drake or kendrick lamar but you aint the God. But you glaze control and claim kendrick the only one calling people by name because he said “i love ya but wana be better” stop it. Cole bout to humble ya lord and savior ya be tryna revise history and gas these mediocre kendrick moments.
@@ShawnCeeLIVEhe has to the point that kendrick was scared to even rap its called american dream, nobody dickrides more than you my guy at this point you gotta be on the payroll. Jeezy full or it they knew they were on that record. Kendrick don’t have a freestyle better than LA leakers.
The “ranking his ideas over his music” statement actually makes so much sense. And I’m a super Kendrick fan but that’s 100% true that people do that. It’s important to understand those things are separate parts of the music.
Come on Shawn The off season is better than most recent drake projects, Cole is exciting, he’s just more intellectual based, that will always be more interesting to someone who likes conscious rap or something of substance compared to drake. How is drake talking about pills, women, etc interesting
hate when ppl ask "when was the last time you listened to MM&TBS" my favorite rap song ever is Liberation by OutKast, i don't listen to it often. favorite album ever is What's Going On by Marvin Gaye...don't listen to it often. that question is pointless and irrelevant...you don't have to listen to something all the time to recognize how great and impactful it is.
Cole is infinitely more a better producer than he is a rapper. I mean, he solid at both for sure, but the way he produces beats is far from normal. Dude got a knack for constructing sound just not adhering to it and making lyrics off it.
Shawn is bugging hip hop needs competition and you need to dethrone whoever is at the top, and he has never had rap beef. Kendrick did against Big sean and Drake
I might be wrong but Cole could wash Drake and Kendrick. Since the start of their career I would argue he the one out of the 3 who has progressively gotten better and that’s saying something
So basically we are projecting onto them that we think they self consciously throwing out disses and im sooooo here for this undercover male gossip y’all do this shit and we have it clocked! It’s comiiiing lmao. The energy is HEEERE. Come on Cole I need y’all to get it overwith so y’all can do a collab when you 40. I swear my old ass going! 🤣
J Cole is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. He can sale albums in a similar vain as Drake, but he can also make conceptual albums similar to Kendrick. But he's not necessarily better in either aspect. He's a good rapper tho, just not extraordinary.
The fact that this dude dropped this video, the day before Kendrick’s “Like That” verse dropped, in insane timing.
wait fr? lmao
@@malubulul4747Yup that vid dropped 6 days before like that.
@@sontho6995 So he didn't drop it a day before then lol.
@@majestymxnt7384right, I’m dead 💀💀😂😂
@@ILETMYNUTSHANG69 Imma hope the op was exaggerating lol
People say Kendrick lost relevance yet people had the nerve to get mad at him for not making a statement during the blm protests even tho HE WAS PROTESTING. I don’t take anyone whose got dumb opinions seriously
he was not protesting lmao
he went to a protest after people called him out on it
@@joebidenjr5902🤡🤡
@@joebidenjr5902more than them other 2 in t”the big three “ did ..
Hell to pump a butterfly ALONE as a concious black mainstream album is more than those two did .
@@DrayrosaeJ. Cole was also photographed at protests. You can like Kendrick more but you don’t have to lie for no reason
@@BlkStar99he inst lying TPAB was more relevant to black communities than anything they did
I really don;t think Kendrick was comin' at J. Cole like that, but I'm pretty sure Kendrick really fuckin' hates Drake
Hate him for what ? That’s what I don’t get
@@giombi15i dont think hes just gonna spell it out unless we get a full diss track. most of this stuff happened behind closed doors, but i think drake and kendrick have pretty big egos and are compared a lot. that alone will create tension especially when kendrick doesnt feel drake is near his level and honestly hes right, they make different music
Facts. I really think Kendrick has high respect Cole but really could careless about drakes existence and is trying to end him
@@milesmohrien8964 a lot of stuff they keep hidden til the frustration boils over
@@giombi15I’m going to make a guess but Drake comes off as a very egoistical person. And feels like Drake isn’t really authentic and soft. After the Control verse he went on a podcast to express how he felt instead of talking to Kendrick personally. But that control verse wasn’t even disrespectful at all it was really a compliment.
im sick of yougins acting like kendrick not releasing music every year means hes basically retired
If you’re under 25 you care about that shit
@@FAMbeats508 yeah because past that time just kind of speeds up and a year stops being a long period for time
To be the best you need to release tho
If we just saying that Kendrick is the best because of his lyricism only then lil wayne still sliding nowadays just doing songs with not so big ppl. But leaving five years but come back and you supposed to still be top 3 does numbers at all play a part or/and consistency
@@beemo7700 but he an artist not a ball player. He droppin when he sees the vision. Yall love ppayboi carti he aint drop in 4 years
@@FAMbeats508 nobody say carti the goat too
And how he always see the vision by dissin ppl that dont care about him like that. If you the top #1 then can you at least release like or a lil bit like drake and cole cuz its like Kendrick leaves for 4 years comes back and smacks drake and cole when they at the top and then just run away for another 4 years. An artist needs to be consistent to be the best point blank period. J cole just dropped an amazing album and been droppin some good shit for 4 years. And mr morale was an alright album so again wheres the vision 4 years for some ight shit but cole put out 4 solo and 2 dreamville projects plus they did all of creed 3 songs. So yeah what vision? The best but cant keep up with the worst?? Cole giving bars bars and consistency in dropping and is taking the challenge the Kendrick dick sucking gone stop today
People say Kendrick lost relevancy but literally set the internet on fire by just tweeting “I’m dropping a new album”
I don't think he lost relevancy.. He dropped 3 monster projects plus a raw album and then a soundtrack album from 2012-2017 that's 5 years of constantly getting it in..I mean cole went 4 years in between His last two albums
The contradiction on this comment is insane. Did you not read this after you typed it? 😆
If he really lost relevancy, he wouldn't have set the internet on the fire by just a tweet. Kendrick been relevant, even when he wasn't dropping anything. Mfs was literally getting mad at him for being radio silent during the protests, even though it rly had nothing to do with him. If that doesn't show relevance, I don't know what does lol
Just because he doesn’t drop music every other year doesn’t mean he hasn’t lost relevancy
Idk where tf yall lookin at shit but I have seen literally nobody say he lost relevance, except the people who talk about the people who supposedly say that stupid shit
I’m sorry…but maaan Diddy might’ve tried make Kenny take his shirt off by “spilling” some drank on him smh.
no one wanna see 2014 Kendrick shirtless (2021 to now I could get behind)
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@@brown-eyedcheese5440 I said what I said, bro
fuck that no Diddy shit, a lot of Diddy
@@konLVdona lot of diddy is crazy
Folks always try to downplay the control verse…but jcole and drake still tight about it, pure comedy
Saying Cole doesn’t have any powerful moments is definitely some hater shit.
It is, feel like Shawn a little bit hatin on cole like “there is nothing interesting or extraordinary about his music”…
It’s accurate tho. He has powerful moments on other peoples tracks but in his own personal discography it’s boring
Also 32:44 - as much as people hate it, KOD is another conceptual album that I thought had those themes. Personally, I liked both KOD and 4YEO, and I think the feature run from 2018 to 2023 made Cole "interesting", fixing the image he had before 2014. A lot of the criticism is hate carried over from before 2014. He hurt himself bad with the Work Out song.
Yea, when Cole said "I came fast like 911 in white neighborhoods" it was very powerful lol
21:42 he said “why are you including it?” Dawg it’s a full coverage of their friendship and possible beef. He’s being thorough when giving us info and how people were thinking.
Literally
Sometimes his responses are dumb like he's such a Kendrick fan He can't see anything else
33:12 "Ain't nobody, but the mirror, lookin for the fall off" is akin to Lupe Fiasco on 'Much More' when he says "My greatest enemy is my inner me." Basically saying that something he's facing within wants to see him fail. Nothing to do with Cole..
i think saying that's a diss is shitting on the themes of the album and that song, it's just wrong
@@vimoonhead3735 agreed, for it to be considered his most introspective album and call that a sub is jux dishonest aaf. One of the many reaches on this "analysis"
I mean I understood to be that J Cole is looking in the mirror at himself, so maybe Kendrick is saying that the mirror is J Cole and he’s the only one looking for the fall off? Could’ve better been said as “but the man in the mirror” but maybe it didn’t fit well in the bar idk
@@BDFHumorless why would he(K.) be mentioning him(Cole), or anyone for that matter, in his own introspective, most vulnerable album? The last album he would do for TDE..? Please, stop. Also, K. isn't afraid to name drop, check 'Savior', same album, same disc, 4 songs later. And that wasn't a diss either.
Yeah Kendrick's albums don't tend to stray from the themes. When he disses people, it's typically on features
A great artist can drop every 2-3 years, that’s what happens when you drop substance.
Drake has no option but to drop, he’s apart of the machine at this point
Drake would be just fine if he didn’t drop lol, he just loves being in the studio
@@cidderyt9191 Hell Nah, he hasn’t had a good album since “2Late”.
@@damxn7303I can assure you Drake is fine in the west
@@damxn7303For all the dogs was 200k units sold first week bad album or not drake will always sale, if he takes 2-3 years off & then drops an album he’s selling 500k first week minimum & before you say im glazing i like Kendrick & cole more than drake.
@@damxn7303many would disagree
Control gets so overblown imo. I always viewed that verse as more of a nod to his peers than a diss. He’s just saying these artists are dope but as an emcees he’s still competitive. Hence why only people who weren’t mentioned felt some type of way about it. They got left out.
Drake overblown it by saying it damages there friendship. Kendrick said I have love for all of you iggas lol
Cole’s motivation comes from the disrespect he got after dropping 4 your eyes only. The community started calling him sleepy rapper and he was the only one of the current goats that got disrespected by the soundcloud rappers at that time.
Yes! Exactly. It started with that dumbass Lil Pump saying F J Cole
He'd been that though. Big Quint literally says right before his 2014FHD reaction that J. Cole is "watered down chocolate milk".
That album was sleepy. He tried to make his own TPAB but it didn't work
@@BluEx22329there is almost zero comparison between the 2 albums that how i inow you didn’t listen to it way more similar to gkmc
@@BluEx22329to each there own it’s my second favorite j cole album behind born sinner i thought it was great
It’s crazy that this is the second time that big sean got snubbed in attention 😂
By Kendrick at that 😂😂
bro even inserted himself (i liked the freestyle tho ngl)
I'm a casual watcher of Shawn Cee & didn't even know this account existed, so I had no idea he was still posting videos & thought he just stopped for a really long time 😂 Gotta a lot of catching up to do...
He's basically JUST a streamer now.
Lucky ass cuz he’s got a shit ton of good vids on this channel and another one too I think. U got hella vids to smoke nd laugh to
fr Shawn is hilarious
Here is the problem with the "stepper" comparisons in J. Coles songs. He's been using the term "stepper" since the off season according to this video, which was before "mr. morale & the big stepper". meaning "stepper" is a word Cole had had in his rap vocabulary for a long while. Not everyone using "stepper" is a reference to Kendrick Lamar. That like me saying "when Hobie in across the spider-verse said 'my lad pav; big stepper!' He was saying the spider-man of Mumbattan is the the Kendrick Lamar of spider-men" which is stupid in retrospect.
Also the recipe could have easily been a shot at No name since she did call him out for the whole BLM situation when it was going on. People THOUGHT he was talking about YB when YB low key dissed cole on his song, but cole literally mentions in an entire stanza in FPS
"Niggas so thirsty to put me in beef
Dissectin' my words and start lookin' too deep
I look at the tweets and start suckin' my teeth
I'm lettin' it rock 'cause I love the mystique
I still wanna get me a song with YB
Can't trust everything that you saw on IG
Just know if I diss you, I'd make sure you know that I hit you like I'm on your caller ID"
Cole HAS done this. Done this to Pump, done this to Kanye and Wale, done this to Diggy Simmons. Does it make him above subliminals. . . Not exactly, but some of these reaches go from reasonable to mad questionable circumstances.
LMFAO THAT PAUSE ONCE DIDDY WAS MENTIONED 💀
Shawn’s Cole takes are so horrible you can not tell me Drake’s discography is better than Cole’s, Drake doesn’t rap better than Cole, Drake isn’t consistent compared to Cole. What you be chatting about bro Jesus Christ 😂
He said early works though
Drake's highs are higher than Coles, but his lows are so much lower that honestly you could go either way. Cole's is obviously less bloated.
@@overlord6815facts, this shouldn’t even be questioned.
@@overlord6815yeah truest shit I’ve read all day
17:40 spelling non stop comparisons like this is fucking criminal oh my god
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Cole would rap circles around Drake and Kendrick. Dem niggas gon have to get in the booth and show me something to prove otherwise. At this point Drake is a kardashian, is famous for being famous. And Kendrick is only good when he's making a scene. When he just rappin it ain't nothing special. Every time I come back to this channel, Shawn say some stupid s***that make me leave again.
FACTS! He a meat rider like most of kendrick’s unbearable stanbase
Delusional take.
Sure buddy
please dont come back
calling Forbidden Fruit an “ight track” is blasphemy 😭
J cole has so many old songs from mixtapes where he went super vulnerable man. 3 wishes, shit even a little later on tracks like Problems..I swear people forget
Mixtape Cole was a different beast
Holla at yah made me cry
@@jayyy1677 exactly, wish more people gave credit to his old work
The fact that this dude referenced Cole calling himself the king on Fire Squad but then failed to mention that on that same song, in fact in the lines following one of the ones he referenced, Cole criticises that idea of there being a "King" of hip hop, and calls those craving power "a coward" says a lot.
We are all just gonna ignore the fact that between 2014 FHD and KOD, Cole actively stopped trying to "be the best" and receded from the limelight on purpose, something he talked about publicly?
No He managed to get His Masters Back and royalties. People cant wxploit him Profizelt from him so the maschin doesnt Hype him. A Lot of Rappers dont own there royalties and Masters. Thats Like Lifelong moneyflow without working
He came to the conclusion that craving power is a cowardly trait, but proceeded to start with the “I’m the best talk” again and collaborated with the most power hungry coward in rap (drake)
@rock_lee_girl thats false its clear u didnt watch the video cole been saying he the best since the beginning
Cole's drops are infinitely more interesting than Drake's
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Facts
Cap drake as a person is much more interesting character
lately, for sure. but historically? not at all
Saying J Cole just regular is a miss. His storytelling and introspective nature of his lyrics is what’s amazing. I don’t listen to him for bars it’s for the high concept thought process and story telling. He’s actually saying things. I prefer Cole to Drake and Kendrick for that reason.
“Whole Clique getting slid on you a mousepad” 🔥
Cole main issue coming from a fan of Cole is that he doesn't make great music. He can rap his ass off but he don't make great music, unlike Drake who we know can rap but chooses not too and makes better music but bars kinda dont stick. Kendrick on the other hand makes really good music and be rapping his ass off however i do think he stayed in the conscious lane very long without just having his fun records.
Saying that tho Drake has dropped way too many albums and a lot of them are mid at best but it's Drake so everybody going say its good.
Kendrick make better conceptual records
The best music between the three is actually subjective
im just saying from public opinion. Pop music (Drake) is generally digested longer and better than conscious rapbut also Kendrick hasnt made something nonconscious in a minute. He need to have fun and talk his shit again@@Never283
And Cole idk he needs to stop producing. His songs aren't the greatest tbh.
@@mikecox3387 well he's still currently more successful than 90 percent of rappers so who are you to say they aren't
You need to stop being so annoyed at the Control verse - it did do something in the rap game.
Thank you!
ya I disagree with Shawn on that 1. just the fact that many of those called out tried to ignore it says enough. They heard it and didnt want that smoke lol. and those not included were mad they didnt get acknowledged. everyone was talking about it then and it still gets brought up now.
Sorry to say Aubrey, but people STILL talk about the Control verse *to this day* and STILL make references to it anytime starts sneak dissing
Facts. hes like was it memorable? Yes brother. It was lmao we bring it up everytime this topic boils to the forefront
I'm not really on the "Kendricks not needed" side but i'm def satisfied w/ what he has given us musically. Rappers do not get that level of personal, and while i'd love another album of slaps IF he dropped it, i'm more than happy to go back to what he's msde as it is.
Man, J Cole could have avoided the mess if he just kept to himself and didn’t let his feelings get to him.
The fact that Kendrick don't like Drake has been long established. But the J Cole beef is fuzzy and new.
“Ain’t nobody but the mirror looking for the fall off” could be a diss saying only J. Cole is hyped for the fall off, as if he’s looking at his own reflection
How about j cole being the only one looking at the fall off being his last album but everyone else does not want it to be his last
reach wtf
Reach asf bruh
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13:34 agreed, no one knew of no beef or paid it that much mind. We were happy aaf about the collab
42:41 Is that fair when both J Cole and Kendrick told us the sun will die before we get any music from them together?
When they say that?
There are times I think “Man, Shawn knows everything about music.” And then right after I think “Man, he knows nothing about music.”
Igh so how are you gonna bash Cole for being a “regular ahh ninja with regular bars” and then praise Drake for putting out regular ahh music “nothing special just shit to chill to”?
Also name me the hardest kendrick bar since you want to literally go bar for bar with them, because j cole has many more punchlines than kendrick.
Drake in his prime didint put out regular music lmfao. J cole def does not have more punchlines idek wha that means but he dont got it
@@changedcj007 you don't know what it means yet u said he doesn't have more??
@@changedcj007you’re waffling man
Taking your lyrical butt is madness
32:59 The "Count Me Out" line...
"Ain't nobody but the mirror lookin' for the fall off"
...is Kendrick displaying that through people may 'count him out'(or wish for his downfall), the only ones really looking for your failures is the person looking back at you in the mirror(something he mentions a lot over the years of his self-reflective music).
God I dislike when 'bar analysts' pick single bars out of songs, give them no context, then provide a meaning for it... but of course people gonna be people
4:41 i started dying as soon as i saw P DIDDY LMAOOO
BRUH THIS KENDRICK FAN IS JUST GLAZING ON KENDRICK THROUGHOUT THE VIDEO 😂😂
You definitely don’t listen to Cole’s music dawg lol. J. Cole’s music isn’t regular.. it’s relatable. That’s the whole point and why J. Cole is great.. listen to more music
To say Cole is “regular” bar wise is insane
"Ima take yah lyrical butt" No Diddy lol
“Harsh Words is crazy but I get what he’s sayin”🤣
I would love to see a fully ignorant Kendrick album with straight hits
And hard tracks
Y’all just want music. Drake be dropping stuff to stay relevant and because he’s been in the buiseness longer but that greed has made that man weird. Kendrick minding his buiseness not everything is beef bro.
That mirror/fall off line was about the fact that people plotting your down fall can sometimes just be in your head because you don't feel worthy or you count yourself out. Hence the song title
The cole down play is crazy
“🧐Does Kendrick follow anyone on social media?…😳..Does J. Cole even HAVE social media???” 😂😂😂
Bro kendrick verse went all over ya'll heads. Cole fans mad asf
check r/JCole and r/Drizzy, only the second got people that are mad
Ain’t nothing going over anyone head outside of that e-40 line come on dog
@@dominiquesmith7680 Exactly and that's only because you'd have to really be from the Bay or the West to know that about E-40. Kendrick being from the latter.
@@majestymxnt7384No you don’t. I’m from the North East, know all about E-40 my guy. Ya’ll try to gatekeep everything way too much. L take.
People still bring up Control. Case in point, this very video.
How many days in a row are u gonna come back and comment Superman
We talking bout this verse 10 years later but people keep saying it didn’t change anything…
People really hate out loud. Y’all gotta just pay attention
Yeah this whole "Control had no effect on the game" is BS and everyone knows that. It very clearly had an effect since K. Dot and Drake still don't like each other to this day because of it.
@@Two-ToneMoonStone and the fact that it is considered a cultural moment… and that it’s even on people’s mind a whole decade later. Not to mention, they keep saying it had no impact yet rappers not responding showed just how scared they are of Kendrick. To say it has no impact is just hating fr
I’m sorry bruh saying Control didn’t do anything is redundant. If the ENTIRE INDUSTRY was talking about it then and STILL IS, it did something. People just barely responded to it because at this point the competitive nature of hip hop had essentially died at this point. Drake and Cole were really the only people Kendrick would acknowledge. Meek Mill’s response could barely be considered a diss and then everybody else that responded wasn’t even mentioned 😭
The bias is crazy
Nah this mf got the worst takes everytime lmfao 💀 I just watch cause it’s funny
“Take his lyrical butt” is insanity shawn
I love Schoolboy Q, but whoever said he had a better discography than Cole should never give their opinion on music again 😂
I never understand why ppl mention replay value so much against kendrick, but don’t mention drakes absolute lack of depth that he substitutes for constant radio leaning records
exactly, ain’t nobody relistening to for all the dogs or clb. kendrick makes timeless albums that have literally been analyzed for their artistic mastery. and that’s not even glazing that’s true fact.
I think this is a healthy beef.
One of my favorite videos on the internet is fantano saying why a Kendrick J Cole album wouldn’t be good and it’s just basically him shitting on J Cole for 10 minutes, it’s so funny it basically feels like a shitpost
Shawn is the opposite of Nostradamus 😂
Ngl, bro in the video was reaching majority of the time
Fax 90% of the vid is a reach 😭
Shut up
Big time reaching. He had me in the first half, but then after that he was reaching like a MF. Dissecting every single line that Kendrick or J Cole says as a diss towards each other is ridiculous.
“Niggas so thirsty to put me in beef Dissectin' my words and start lookin' too deep”
Trying to connect the fall off bar from Kendrick to Cole is such a terrible take. The line itself clearly explains its meaning, included the context of the song and its even more obvious.
FIRE SQUAD is my favorite Jcole song as well
Forest Hill Drive one of the most underrated albums 💿 all time …. That’s all I’m going to say
At that time He saved Money to get His Masters Back from Jay z thats why He didnt do Features and profuced by His own.
not underrated at all 😂
@@kaz-l6f bro produced and no features kdot could never 😂✌️
@@kaz-l6f one of the greatest hiphop albums top to bottom
@@Dkirk215 kendrick could definitely do no features but i wasnt even saying its bad. its coles best album. its just not overrated. do you know what that means?
I disagree, all of the questions asked as far as the best rapper, the answer is J. Cole.
J. Cole is the best rapper alive, best story teller and all that!
4:04 imma take ya lyrical Butt crazy verbiage
Shawn be glazing Kendrick crazy
soooooooo you just didn't watch the vid at all apparently
@@thegeosilencehe is 100%
He went into the video biased for Kendrick so no surprise
Every thing Kendrick does is GOATED For his fans. But they try to make it objective everytime
lol Diddy always finding himself in shit 😭😭
mr morale is so good, i am actually glad people dont like it so it doesnt get overplayed and ruined
Bro your videos are still up and back in the days you were a huge Cole fan don’t act like that 💀
Saying Cole doesn’t have any powerful moments in his albums is definitely some hater shit. Drake is a legend, but his albums been mid to ass since 2018.
Mr. Morale and the big steppers just didn’t do it for me.
The Kendrick/Cole project is like the DOOM/Ghostface project...never happening.
Kendrick literally dropped GKMC, TPAB & DAMN B2B2B.
I dont get how anyone can compare that/him to Drake & J Cole as good as they're in their own rite, Pure rapping ability & album making they're not seeing Dot.
This white dude is breathing hip hop
Never realized it, that is kinda weird how anytime Cole has featured Kendrick he doesn't get a verse, just a hook or little singing part, that is odd.
Cause kendrick overrated and scared
@@Follow.the.LeaderOr Cole scared his biracial ass finna get turned to a washcloth😂😂😂
@@TheYoungReezy87 there’s no such thing as biracial, the seed comes from the father, cole isn’t scared of a dude runnin around chancing man aunts, just make sure to @ me when the dust settles
@@Follow.the.Leader Kendrick killed j cole on his own beat when they both had a chance to rap rap. Its 1-0
@@changedcj007 ya all say the same thing and try to revise history and leave out details, one he did not “wash” anything two its crazy how ya try and control the narrative as if thats the only record they been on together. Cole washed kendrick so bad on american dream he didn’t even rap. And jeezy a damn lie they knew they was both on that song, cole has bodied kendrick multiple times to the point that dot wouldn’t lay a verse, american dream, forbidden fruit, under the sun. Stop it.
That Benny the butcher featured is what did it for me, I was always a huge j cole and k dot fan but after that feature cole really started focusing on his pin and his legacy and he’s gotten better and better. Before that he was more focused on getting more money.
More money? Lmao the man was building Dreamville and before that he was on his soulful side feeding in 4YEO. Tf you mean “more money”?????
@@Kal-El207 he literally raps about focusing on making as much money as possible and that being his priority. Don’t start being weird. Understand it doesn’t matter how you feel or what your interpretation is, bro stated that was his mission in middle child and ATM makes it’s that simple.
The way you described MMSTBS was perfect and I’m a dot fan 29:11
I ALREADY KNOW J-Cole is meditating 🧘♂ on a mountain somewhere - feeling his beard hairs grow.. while Drake is looking at himself in a mirror saying “Write some shit and respond - or I’ll blow your brains out tonight”
the p diddy jumpscare is crazy
The Kendrick bias is so weird…
The only stanship comparable is Em and Ye’s.
Shawn Cee loses credibility every time he discusses the topic.
The only rapper/producer of the 3.
The only to go platinum no features…
Twice.
Could’ve signed Dot and told Dre about him plus protected him from Diddy.
Don’t underestimate the greats.
I hope they all reply.
None of what you mention have anything to do with Coles skill or ability as an MC which is what the conversation is about. Stay on topic lmao
@@ShawnCeeLIVEhe’s better than kendrick and you be glazing fam it is what it is. That like that verse was mid, that mr man aunt album was mid, kendrick been mid since GKMC. But ya treat him like the Messiah.
@@ShawnCeeLIVE”he’s not going to say anyone’s name” he literally said you might be drizzy drake or kendrick lamar but you aint the God. But you glaze control and claim kendrick the only one calling people by name because he said “i love ya but wana be better” stop it. Cole bout to humble ya lord and savior ya be tryna revise history and gas these mediocre kendrick moments.
@@Follow.the.Leader Cole has never outrapped Kendrick Lamar. If you're gonna dickride at least be factual
@@ShawnCeeLIVEhe has to the point that kendrick was scared to even rap its called american dream, nobody dickrides more than you my guy at this point you gotta be on the payroll. Jeezy full or it they knew they were on that record. Kendrick don’t have a freestyle better than LA leakers.
Much needed explanation
😂😂😂Call me crazy but shawn loves Kendrick so much that hes unknowingly hating on J cole and having very odd takes
He’s been a Cole hater
The “ranking his ideas over his music” statement actually makes so much sense. And I’m a super Kendrick fan but that’s 100% true that people do that. It’s important to understand those things are separate parts of the music.
Come on Shawn The off season is better than most recent drake projects, Cole is exciting, he’s just more intellectual based, that will always be more interesting to someone who likes conscious rap or something of substance compared to drake. How is drake talking about pills, women, etc interesting
In a little bit warped way I think J Cole is rapping like if Logic had swagger
hate when ppl ask "when was the last time you listened to MM&TBS"
my favorite rap song ever is Liberation by OutKast, i don't listen to it often.
favorite album ever is What's Going On by Marvin Gaye...don't listen to it often.
that question is pointless and irrelevant...you don't have to listen to something all the time to recognize how great and impactful it is.
Funny we talking about J Cole in third when really Drake should be third 🤷🏻♂️
if drake just retired after 2016, yall wouldnt be sayin that lol
but I can agree that right now, cole's fighting for that silver
Is the “beef” in the room with us?
Yeah, I found the beef. Its on the song "like that" on futures album.
Cole is infinitely more a better producer than he is a rapper. I mean, he solid at both for sure, but the way he produces beats is far from normal. Dude got a knack for constructing sound just not adhering to it and making lyrics off it.
He could’ve been metro boomin before metro boomin. Like dude really made Hiiipower for Kdot to completely annihilate
Dude was a first seat violinist, shit is crazy but he's definitely a musician
Shawn is bugging hip hop needs competition and you need to dethrone whoever is at the top, and he has never had rap beef. Kendrick did against Big sean and Drake
I might be wrong but Cole could wash Drake and Kendrick. Since the start of their career I would argue he the one out of the 3 who has progressively gotten better and that’s saying something
So basically we are projecting onto them that we think they self consciously throwing out disses and im sooooo here for this undercover male gossip y’all do this shit and we have it clocked! It’s comiiiing lmao. The energy is HEEERE. Come on Cole I need y’all to get it overwith so y’all can do a collab when you 40. I swear my old ass going! 🤣
They didn't include themselves, Kendrick said "I'm the King of New York" so of course New York rapper got on his head about it.
The other day I was thinking where the hell is Shawn Cee? The whole time he posting videos using a whole another UA-cam channel 🤣
This man HATES his other channel Ong.
That “what..? what..?” Got me dead.😂😂😂
J Cole is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. He can sale albums in a similar vain as Drake, but he can also make conceptual albums similar to Kendrick. But he's not necessarily better in either aspect. He's a good rapper tho, just not extraordinary.
literally. hes in the middle
41:10 this is way too funny